In Mayte's book, she writes that her family drove from Germany to Spain and that she first saw Prince perform "Thieves in the Temple" at Estadi Olímpic de Montjuïc in Barcelona in 1990. However, Princevault says "Thieves in the Temple" wasn't played live in its entirety until about two weeks later in Mannheim, Germany. The Mannheim show matches her description of the setlist pretty closely. And to confuse things further: Princevault even includes a note at the bottom of the Barcelona page saying it's the show Mayte saw (http://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=25_July_1990).

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So, do we trust Mayte's memory or Princevault's research? And if Princevault is correct and Mayte is wrong, what song do we think Mayte confused with "Thieves"? "A Question of U"?

At a quick glance that show is circulating, so anyone who has it could verify what was played. I would assume Princevault is accurate because of that. Live recordings have never been my main gig so I don't have that particular show myself to check.

I believe the meticulous details of Princevault keeping track.

Over time peoples memories forget or assume things so.........

Mayte/her editors didn't do a whole lot of fact-checking/research. At one point in the book she claims to have been around when the Black Album was recorded, which I'm sure is a result of her glancing at a list of what was released during that time.

NouveauDance said:

At a quick glance that show is circulating, so anyone who has it could verify what was played. I would assume Princevault is accurate because of that. Live recordings have never been my main gig so I don't have that particular show myself to check.

I wondered if it was out. I have a bunch of shows from that tour, but not that night. If someone can listen to Baby I'm a Star and check to see if it has Brother with a Purpose/We Can Funk/Thieves in the Temple in there, that'd be awesome. Thanks, little things like this bug me.

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AhPook said:

NouveauDance said:

At a quick glance that show is circulating, so anyone who has it could verify what was played. I would assume Princevault is accurate because of that. Live recordings have never been my main gig so I don't have that particular show myself to check.

I wondered if it was out. I have a bunch of shows from that tour, but not that night. If someone can listen to Baby I'm a Star and check to see if it has Brother with a Purpose/We Can Funk/Thieves in the Temple in there, that'd be awesome. Thanks, little things like this bug me.

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The set list reported on PrinceVault is the same as the circulating recording for that show:

http://www.princevault.co..._July_1990

AhPook said:

In Mayte's book, she writes that her family drove from Germany to Spain and that she first saw Prince perform "Thieves in the Temple" at Estadi Olímpic de Montjuïc in Barcelona in 1990. However, Princevault says "Thieves in the Temple" wasn't played live in its entirety until about two weeks later in Mannheim, Germany. The Mannheim show matches her description of the setlist pretty closely. And to confuse things further: Princevault even includes a note at the bottom of the Barcelona page saying it's the show Mayte saw (http://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=25_July_1990).

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So, do we trust Mayte's memory or Princevault's research? And if Princevault is correct and Mayte is wrong, what song do we think Mayte confused with "Thieves"? "A Question of U"?

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I saw several Nude Tour concerts in the UK in June/July and the full video of 'Thieves In The Temple' was played on the screens right before the concert – I guess that's what Mayte remembered.

It's funny. She makes such a big deal about her career as a belly dancer and how the Arabic feel of Thieves in the Temple won her over, and the song wasn't even performed that night. I wonder if she misremembered Question of U as Thieves in the Temple. I can't think of any other song that would be even close to a belly dancing song.

AhPook said:

It's funny. She makes such a big deal about her career as a belly dancer and how the Arabic feel of Thieves in the Temple won her over, and the song wasn't even performed that night. I wonder if she misremembered Question of U as Thieves in the Temple. I can't think of any other song that would be even close to a belly dancing song.

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As mentioned above, the full video of 'Thieves In The Temple' was played on the screens right before the concert – and as it was a brand new, unreleased song at the time, it made the audience almost as ecstatic as if Prince would've stepped on stage.
I find it quite possible that it has left a lasting impression on Mayte – only forgetting that it was a video playback, not a live performance.

Kares said:

AhPook said:

It's funny. She makes such a big deal about her career as a belly dancer and how the Arabic feel of Thieves in the Temple won her over, and the song wasn't even performed that night. I wonder if she misremembered Question of U as Thieves in the Temple. I can't think of any other song that would be even close to a belly dancing song.

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As mentioned above, the full video of 'Thieves In The Temple' was played on the screens right before the concert – and as it was a brand new, unreleased song at the time, it made the audience almost as ecstatic as if Prince would've stepped on stage.
I find it quite possible that it has left a lasting impression on Mayte – only forgetting that it was a video playback, not a live performance.

Mayte's book is on clearance at BJ's Warehouse for $6.99 right now.

Kares said:

AhPook said:

It's funny. She makes such a big deal about her career as a belly dancer and how the Arabic feel of Thieves in the Temple won her over, and the song wasn't even performed that night. I wonder if she misremembered Question of U as Thieves in the Temple. I can't think of any other song that would be even close to a belly dancing song.

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As mentioned above, the full video of 'Thieves In The Temple' was played on the screens right before the concert – and as it was a brand new, unreleased song at the time, it made the audience almost as ecstatic as if Prince would've stepped on stage.
I find it quite possible that it has left a lasting impression on Mayte – only forgetting that it was a video playback, not a live performance.

I don't think the video is what she's talking about. Mayte seems pretty certain the song was played live at the end of the night. She says it was played after Baby I'm a Star, Brother with a Purpose, and We Can Funk. Then, he played Respect and the show was over. That's pretty specific.

AhPook said:

Kares said:

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As mentioned above, the full video of 'Thieves In The Temple' was played on the screens right before the concert – and as it was a brand new, unreleased song at the time, it made the audience almost as ecstatic as if Prince would've stepped on stage.
I find it quite possible that it has left a lasting impression on Mayte – only forgetting that it was a video playback, not a live performance.

I don't think the video is what she's talking about. Mayte seems pretty certain the song was played live at the end of the night. She says it was played after Baby I'm a Star, Brother with a Purpose, and We Can Funk. Then, he played Respect and the show was over. That's pretty specific.

'Baby, I'm A Star' segues straight in to 'Respect' on the circulating recording. It's quite possible she misremembered the song being performed live, as you have suggested, particularly if she has mistaken her recollection with another perforamnec such as The Question Of U?

langebleu said:

AhPook said:

I don't think the video is what she's talking about. Mayte seems pretty certain the song was played live at the end of the night. She says it was played after Baby I'm a Star, Brother with a Purpose, and We Can Funk. Then, he played Respect and the show was over. That's pretty specific.

'Baby, I'm A Star' segues straight in to 'Respect' on the circulating recording. It's quite possible she misremembered the song being performed live, as you have suggested, particularly if she has mistaken her recollection with another perforamnec such as The Question Of U?

That seems logical. No smart phones or "interwebs" back then to document all of the details, which is why princevault.com is so impressive. That group is meticulous with the detailed history. Extremely hard to remember specific things after 26 years have passed, especially for a person like Mayte who was only 16 yrs old at the time.

bsprout said:

I was 15 years old when I first saw Prince live (Purple Rain concert, NY). It was my first concert. I couldn’t remember the set list now if my life depended on it (and I was completely sober, lol). I do remember endless guitar solos and when he played my favorites, but there is still a lot that’s fuzzy.

Princevault.com can help you out with that set list

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I attended several big concerts in my 20's, and cannot remember any of the specific set lists. I think most people, unless they literally wrote down the songs played during or soon after a concert, would not be able to remember those details years later.

1Sasha said:

I agree that Prince Vault is not entirely accurate, as I found this reference under Purple Rain (I was specifically looking for film locations):

Second week (from 7 to 12 Nov.) was dedicated to a few motorcycle takes with Prince and a stuntdouble, as well as scenes in Minneapolis and around the 1st Avenue club, including the infamous scene (#25) when Jerome puts 'Beautiful Babe' in a dumpster. The scene at Mall of America when "The Kid" and Apollonia meet and engage conversation (#27) was also shot.

Mall of America was built a few years after Purple Rain was released.

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amethyst68 said:

Great deal. If you didn’t know, her book was an instant New York Times Best Seller. She had no problems selling it. If you’re finding it discounted now after its release over 2 years ago, it’s because the store overstocked and is trying to get rid of it. There’s usually a surge in sales around the anniversary of Prince’s death.

Her book had initially high sales, because she made sure hers was the first one published after his death. She knew what she was doing.

Her book sold well because she had a story to tell, she told it well, and it received generally good reviews. Making the NYT bestseller list helped, as did subsidiary rights sales and translation sales. Her publisher also made an investiment in the book, and therefore in its success.

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violetcrush said:

Are we remembering the sane time period?? Yes, I was around then - and was also around during the 80’s when Prince was clearly at his most happy and fruitful time period both personally and musically. He was miserable throughout most of the 90’s, and it was not just due to the WB battle. He was writing many songs about loneliness and lost love during the early and mid 90’s. Songs like Goodbye, Van Gogh, Stone, and Journey To The Center Of Your Heart were originally slated for Emancipation. The songs about the marriage and baby were added early ‘96 when Mayte was pregnant. * Mayte herself stated (during a taping of Hollywood Ex’s) that she carried the baby to full term. The baby was born in October but the “publicized” due date at the time was November, so back then it was reported as a premature birth. A due date of early to mid October would put conception at some time in January. They rushed to have the small ceremony on Feb 14th to coincide with a November due date. Prince would not have planned the Emancipation release at the time of her actual due date - that would make no sense. All of the press, including the Oprah interview and appearance would have been scheduled well in advance of the filming. * Yes, Manuela’s marriage to and relationship with Prince was more private, because he was at a different place in his life by that point. I think much of his relationship with Mayte was for the media - they both wanted and loved the attention. I think a lot of it was flash and facade. He did want kids though, so I’m sure he wanted to make it work. [Edited 8/26/19 10:16am]

You are a female, right? Excuse me for correcting you but no woman having contractions in her 7th month of pregnancy with the problems she had is carrying a baby to the projected due date. Her son was born 3 weeks early. Ask your doctor but most would consider 37 weeks to be full term or early term. No sense in dissecting every word she has said. Even if she conceived before their wedding date, there is no way she would have known it. A pregnancy test couldn’t confirm it. Learn a little bit about your body and conception. Pregnancies aren’t instantaneous. There was no rush to have a wedding. There’s an article published in early December that discusses rumors of their wedding date. She couldn’t have been pregnant then. That would mean she conceived in November.

"Early term: Your baby is born between 37 weeks, 0 days and 38 weeks, 6 days. Full term: Your baby is born between 39 weeks, 0 days and 40 weeks, 6 days. Late term: Your baby is born between 41 weeks, 0 days and 41 weeks, 6 days. Postterm: Your baby is born after 42 weeks, 0 days."

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I am actually a Mother. I have a 12 yr old daughter, so I understand conception very very well. 40 weeks is full term or also called "to term", not 37 weeks - I have first hand knowledge, because my daughter was born at 371/2 weeks, which was considered 11/2 weeks early. Mayte's conception date would have been mid January for a mid October due date. Also, if she had conceived on January 15th, let's say, which would have been about 2 weeks after her last menstrual cycle, she would have been able to see a positive pregnancy test as early as January 24th - 9 days later. She would have been about one month into her pregnancy by her wedding date - or a bit more if she had conceived earlier in January. There would have been plenty of time to plan a quick and small local ceremony, which is exactly what they ended up doing. Can you imagine the media's field day had they known she was pregnant before the wedding?? I understand why they would have "tweaked" the dates. No doubt Prince did not want that kind of press, and he wanted to protect her as well.

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From what I have read, they had supposedly planned to eventually have the wedding in Paris, because Prince loved Paris - it is where he had proposed to Susannah Melvoin in 1985, however, as we know, they never got married. As late as March of 1995, Prince had stated to a journalist, when asked if he planned to settle down and have children, that marriage and family were not in the cards for him. Prince giving Mayte an engagement ring - even if it was December of 1995 - in no way confirmed a marriage was going to happen. It's widely known that he was still dating Nona Gaye when he gave Mayte the ring. However, it makes sense that he would move quickly with the marriage upon learning of the positive pregnancy test.

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Here is Mayte stating she carried the baby to term. It seems clear that she is faking emotion as well by wiping a tear that is not there. I totally understand that the passage of time diminishes the intensity of the emotions, but then don't try to dramatize it on a TV show. That just seemed very wrong to me:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suSGH-0-Io8

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All I am saying here is that I don't necessarily think their marriage was set in stone until the positive pregnancy test. Offering an engagement ring does not solidify a wedding, especially with someone like Prince.

violetcrush said:

Yep, her book was finished prior to his death, and Prince prevented her from publishing it. * The fascination stemmed from the pregnancy and the secrecy around the tragic death of the baby. He was with many women while she was his backup dancer, then she got pregnant. He married her, and then he began an affair with Manuela in’98-‘99. Seems that married or not, he carried on with the same behavior. * For long time Prince fans there is equal or more fascination with Vanity and Susannah.

Link please....

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Yep, her book was finished prior to his death, and Prince prevented her from publishing it. * The fascination stemmed from the pregnancy and the secrecy around the tragic death of the baby. He was with many women while she was his backup dancer, then she got pregnant. He married her, and then he began an affair with Manuela in’98-‘99. Seems that married or not, he carried on with the same behavior. * For long time Prince fans there is equal or more fascination with Vanity and Susannah.

Link please....

I will look for the information. I may be confusing it with him stopping her sale of some of his clothes, jewelry, etc in the 2014-2015 time frame, or possible earlier than that. When he was interviewed by George Lopez in 2011 he stated that "a lot of my stuff gets stolen" when he was talking about a guitar that he had auctioned for charity.

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But really, it's not hard to believe that he would have tried to block her memoir of her time with him. He was sending out Cease & Desist letters to associates who just answered a few questions about him during interviews. Lisa Coleman stated she and Wendy received a letter after one of their interviews.