The stories you heard, you didn’t hear from Prince or Mayte. The story about how Prince and Mayte met as told by Prince and Mayte has always been consistent.

I don’t think she mixed up the song she heard him perform. Prince performed a medley of songs, which included the song she has consistently said she heard at his concert. She has never said she saw a video of an Arabic sounding song and she’s repeated the same story about it since the 90s.

I’ve listened to the audio for Star & Bars before. I don’t remember any reference to Kim. Kim was a married woman at that point in her life. Have you met Mayte during her time with the NPG? She was very similar to Prince. A flirt on stage but very reserved off stage. Take a look at her interviews. Then go ask Ricky why he thinks the song is about Mayte.

You know more about the meaning of Love Symbol and 3 Chains O Gold than Prince and Mayte. The album and the long-format video were promoted as being inspired by Mayte. There were press releases in 1992. Prince also wrote it in his wedding program in 1996. Watch the ABC Act 1 TV special. The NPG and Mayte talk about her being the inspiration and she clearly says they’re love songs about his fantasy of her.

Let’s go back to biology class. If you had sex last week, your pregnancy test the next week isn’t going to turn up positive. Furthermore, most women are usually alarmed about being pregnant initially when they miss their period. Let me stop. You’re doing too damn much to not prove anything. I’ll say it again, Prince and Mayte didn’t marry because she was pregnant and that’s the end of it.

PennyPurple said:

Page 180; 3rd paragraph 7/25/1995 was when Prince asked Mayte to marry him.

Page 206 explains the birth in Oct. the Dr. wanted to do a C-Section on 10/16 and even gave Mayte a shot to help the baby's lungs mature a little faster since he was going to be early.

Wow, so he went from declaring that marriage and kids did not have a place in his life in March to asking her to marry him just four months later in July?? Hmmm...

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I thought she stated she delivered pre-term at 37 weeks?? Baby's lungs are typically considered developed enough from 36 weeks forward...

violetcrush said:

Who said she was given the shot at 37 weeks?? She didn’t.

I thought you’ve been a Prince fan for a long time? If you have, you should learn how to read between the lines when it comes to Prince. Prince has always said he loved children and had been engaged twice before marrying the first time. Why would you take what he said as being his true feelings. Did you read a Mayte’s book? Did you read the letters he wrote to her? Did you notice he talked about children with her in almost all of the letters he wrote? Morris Hayes tells a story about Prince letting him listen to a song he’s recorded. Morris tells Prince he needs to release the song because it’s so good. Prince tells him he didn’t want to release it because it was for his children. He was leaving them music to release when he was no longer here to ensure their future.
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amethyst68 said:

The stories you heard, you didn’t hear from Prince or Mayte. The story about how Prince and Mayte met as told by Prince and Mayte has always been consistent. I don’t think she mixed up the song she heard him perform. Prince performed a medley of songs, which included the song she has consistently said she heard at his concert. She has never said she saw a video of an Arabic sounding song and she’s repeated the same story about it since the 90s. I’ve listened to the audio for Star & Bars before. I don’t remember any reference to Kim. Kim was a married woman at that point in her life. Have you met Mayte during her time with the NPG? She was very similar to Prince. A flirt on stage but very reserved off stage. Take a look at her interviews. Then go ask Ricky why he thinks the song is about Mayte. You know more about the meaning of Love Symbol and 3 Chains O Gold than Prince and Mayte. The album and the long-format video were promoted as being inspired by Mayte. There were press releases in 1992. Prince also wrote it in his wedding program in 1996. Watch the ABC Act 1 TV special. The NPG and Mayte talk about her being the inspiration and she clearly says they’re love songs about his fantasy of her. Let’s go back to biology class. If you had sex last week, your pregnancy test the next week isn’t going to turn up positive. Furthermore, most women are usually alarmed about being pregnant initially when they miss their period. Let me stop. You’re doing too damn much to not prove anything. I’ll say it again, Prince and Mayte didn’t marry because she was pregnant and that’s the end of it.

Yes, let's go back to Biology class, please. From the date of conception, ie: sperm meeting egg - "hello egg, I'd like to fertilize you!" to the date that a pregnancy can be detected is as soon as 8-9 days after spermie jumps on top of eggie. An Ob/Gyn can detect in the earliest time frame. I'll post the data yet again:

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"If you get a positive test result on the first day of your missed period, it's probably about 2 weeks since you conceived. You can use the pregnancy due date calculator to work out when your baby is due. More sensitive tests may be able to confirm that you're pregnant from as early as around 8 days after conception."

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You are kidding, right?? The "how Prince and Mayte met" stories are many and varied - even by Prince. Prince had actually stated (and it may have been during the Oprah interview), that he was in his car and saw her outside the concert venue through his window and thought, "there's my future wife..." The other story circulating was that Rosie Gaines said the "there's your future wife" comment to Prince after she was brought back stage to meet him. It was all just so completey ridiculous and far-fetched. I would put a lot of money on the fact that Prince wasn't thinking about any "future wife" at that concert, let alone a 16 yr old girl who probably could have cared less that she was there, other than that it may be a potential $$$$ situation - and even that was probably more her Mother's mindset than hers. Mayte has stated she had no attraction to him at all, and rightfully so, as he was old enough to be her Father - allbeit a young one.

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Go back and read the lyrics to 3 Chains O Gold. There is NO other way to view that song, other than Prince expressing the loss of a woman he loved.

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If I'm doing "too damn much" to prove my point, then you are doing equally the same to prove yours. I happen to think it is more than possible that Mayte was pregnant a month prior to the wedding. Nothing wrong with that, and I do understand why they would have not wanted that known. Mayte herself stated on camera that she carried the baby "to term", so it's a statement straight from the source.

Here is a Star Tribune article from Feb 1996 written by CJ (yes, that one) about the wedding. The "quickly arranged" wedding and pregnancy were being discussed back then as well:

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Mayte, her little man get Red Concourse treatment // `He's way tinier than she is,' an observer says of honeymoon-bound couple at airport
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All dressed in white aboard an airport bridal chariot Thursday, the newlyweds whizzed down the Red Concourse on their way to a working honeymoon in Hawaii. Elise Fisher of St. Paul had just watched her husband's plane take off "when down came Prince in a couple of carts with his entourage and his lovely new bride," Mayte. "She was very beautiful. They were both wearing all white, and he's way tinier than she is. He's just tiny next to her - not necessarily shorter. She's not a large woman or anything, but he was just so small. I can't get over it," Fisher said. "Nobody was really paying him any attention." You'd think his dark glasses would have attracted attention. "He had on these huge sunglasses that were jewel-encrusted." The only reason that Fisher noticed the airport chariot was because "my 3-year-old daughter, Madeline . . . was trying to run in front of it." College could have been paid for.

Flower girl tells all

Word is that "Show & Tell" at one Edina elementary school was more star-studded than usual Thursday. The first little flower girl at Prince's wedding told all she could remember. She described what she wore, what Prince wore, how much fun it was, how great the music was and how There weren't too many people there. She said she wasn't supposed to say why she was getting out of school early on Valentine's Day - earning kudos from her teacher for knowing how to keep a secret. The parent who tipped me off thinks this kid was enlisted because her dad was a musician friend of Prince's. Another mother is trying to confirm a report that some of the flower girls, reportedly selected from a dance school, were hired.

Seniors partied down

Security was so tight for Prince's wedding that even the seniors attending a Valentine's Day party at Park Avenue United Methodist Church were not spared. The senior group gets together every month, complete with entertainment, said Barbara Cecil, who set up for the noon-to-3 party. "We could have just skipped the entertainment," she joked. Cecil was more interested in seeing the 20 homing pigeons that were released after the wedding than the groom's bird, Mayte. "I went upstairs by the front door; I was going to film the birds, but one of his bodyguards saw me with a camera and just about had a fit. I said, `I'm not going to take his picture; I'm going outside to take {a picture of} the birds when they release them.' And he said You just can't take pictures or I'll be fired on the spot, and then I'll have to come live at your house. And you'll have to take care of me. He said I've worked for other people before who want privacy but this guy is REALLY STRICT about it. Cecil was in the basement and in the wrong end of the church to see Prince's back-door arrival, but other partygoers got a peek. "I can understand his {desire for} privacy, but I would have thought when the wedding was over, he would have come outside and at least let those waiting to see him, see him. They're his fans," she said. "One of the gals in the church thought maybe when they were gone, she could go up and take a picture of the church. And someone came out and said Absolutely not; he doesn't even want you to take a picture of the church when everyone's gone. Totally churlish, but it was his wedding.

Emergency call for coffee

Coffee for guests at the Prince and Mayte wedding was either an afterthought or a forgotten thought. The Starbuck's coffee outpost at 25th and Riverside got a frantic phone call at noon saying the beverage was needed at 12:30 p.m. for the church reception. Assume that a later delivery would have interfered with the skulduggery surrounding the arrival of wedding guests and the bride and groom. WCCO-TV's Kevyn Burger reported that coffee deliverers were too tight-lipped to disclose the blends. Delivered were eight air pots of Yukon Blend and Caffe Verona, a Valentine's blend.



C.J.'s perfectly qualified

"C.J., I just wonder why you're so down on Prince. What qualifications do you have to say he's a jerk on TV? My name is Pat." Dear Pat: I'm a gossip columnist and sometimes a jerk, so I recognize the behavior. I believe Prince could have had a last-minute church wedding in Minneapolis that almost nobody would have noticed. But he wanted to manipulate the locals with that request for crowd control; nice to see only a measly 200 curiosity seekers, many of whom were media types. Over and over I'm hearing that it wouldn't have cost him anything to wave to the crowd. If they didn't want their clothes or faces on camera, they could have waved from behind the canopy. That would have been a charming touch. The crowd was not unruly, and there were lots of cops around. Although it won't work out this way, I'd be satisfied not to write another word about Prince until he lands some Marines on the beach, if you get my drift, and the pregnancy ofMayte is proclaimed. That's reportedly a main objective of this marriage. With skimpy outfits and near-0 percent body fat, she won't be able to hide that for nine months.

violetcrush said:

PennyPurple said:

Page 180; 3rd paragraph 7/25/1995 was when Prince asked Mayte to marry him.

Page 206 explains the birth in Oct. the Dr. wanted to do a C-Section on 10/16 and even gave Mayte a shot to help the baby's lungs mature a little faster since he was going to be early.

Wow, so he went from declaring that marriage and kids did not have a place in his life in March to asking her to marry him just four months later in July?? Hmmm...

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I thought she stated she delivered pre-term at 37 weeks?? Baby's lungs are typically considered developed enough from 36 weeks forward...

Depends on the baby. I had my son at 38 weeks by C-section and his lungs weren't developed and they had to give him the shot for it.

violetcrush said:

amethyst68 said:

The stories you heard, you didn’t hear from Prince or Mayte. The story about how Prince and Mayte met as told by Prince and Mayte has always been consistent. I don’t think she mixed up the song she heard him perform. Prince performed a medley of songs, which included the song she has consistently said she heard at his concert. She has never said she saw a video of an Arabic sounding song and she’s repeated the same story about it since the 90s. I’ve listened to the audio for Star & Bars before. I don’t remember any reference to Kim. Kim was a married woman at that point in her life. Have you met Mayte during her time with the NPG? She was very similar to Prince. A flirt on stage but very reserved off stage. Take a look at her interviews. Then go ask Ricky why he thinks the song is about Mayte. You know more about the meaning of Love Symbol and 3 Chains O Gold than Prince and Mayte. The album and the long-format video were promoted as being inspired by Mayte. There were press releases in 1992. Prince also wrote it in his wedding program in 1996. Watch the ABC Act 1 TV special. The NPG and Mayte talk about her being the inspiration and she clearly says they’re love songs about his fantasy of her. Let’s go back to biology class. If you had sex last week, your pregnancy test the next week isn’t going to turn up positive. Furthermore, most women are usually alarmed about being pregnant initially when they miss their period. Let me stop. You’re doing too damn much to not prove anything. I’ll say it again, Prince and Mayte didn’t marry because she was pregnant and that’s the end of it.

Yes, let's go back to Biology class, please. From the date of conception, ie: sperm meeting egg - "hello egg, I'd like to fertilize you!" to the date that a pregnancy can be detected is as soon as 8-9 days after spermie jumps on top of eggie. An Ob/Gyn can detect in the earliest time frame. I'll post the data yet again:

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"If you get a positive test result on the first day of your missed period, it's probably about 2 weeks since you conceived. You can use the pregnancy due date calculator to work out when your baby is due. More sensitive tests may be able to confirm that you're pregnant from as early as around 8 days after conception."

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You are kidding, right?? The "how Prince and Mayte met" stories are many and varied - even by Prince. Prince had actually stated (and it may have been during the Oprah interview), that he was in his car and saw her outside the concert venue through his window and thought, "there's my future wife..." The other story circulating was that Rosie Gaines said the "there's your future wife" comment to Prince after she was brought back stage to meet him. It was all just so completey ridiculous and far-fetched. I would put a lot of money on the fact that Prince wasn't thinking about any "future wife" at that concert, let alone a 16 yr old girl who probably could have cared less that she was there, other than that it may be a potential $$$$ situation - and even that was probably more her Mother's mindset than hers. Mayte has stated she had no attraction to him at all, and rightfully so, as he was old enough to be her Father - allbeit a young one.

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Go back and read the lyrics to 3 Chains O Gold. There is NO other way to view that song, other than Prince expressing the loss of a woman he loved.

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If I'm doing "too damn much" to prove my point, then you are doing equally the same to prove yours. I happen to think it is more than possible that Mayte was pregnant a month prior to the wedding. Nothing wrong with that, and I do understand why they would have not wanted that known. Mayte herself stated on camera that she carried the baby "to term", so it's a statement straight from the source.

They didn't just take a pregnancy test on their honeymoon, she also had blood drawn on her honeymoon that came up negative for pregnancy. They wanted a child that bad, they couldn't wait to find out if she was pregnant. Page 186

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, let's go back to Biology class, please. From the date of conception, ie: sperm meeting egg - "hello egg, I'd like to fertilize you!" to the date that a pregnancy can be detected is as soon as 8-9 days after spermie jumps on top of eggie. An Ob/Gyn can detect in the earliest time frame. I'll post the data yet again:

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"If you get a positive test result on the first day of your missed period, it's probably about 2 weeks since you conceived. You can use the pregnancy due date calculator to work out when your baby is due. More sensitive tests may be able to confirm that you're pregnant from as early as around 8 days after conception."

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You are kidding, right?? The "how Prince and Mayte met" stories are many and varied - even by Prince. Prince had actually stated (and it may have been during the Oprah interview), that he was in his car and saw her outside the concert venue through his window and thought, "there's my future wife..." The other story circulating was that Rosie Gaines said the "there's your future wife" comment to Prince after she was brought back stage to meet him. It was all just so completey ridiculous and far-fetched. I would put a lot of money on the fact that Prince wasn't thinking about any "future wife" at that concert, let alone a 16 yr old girl who probably could have cared less that she was there, other than that it may be a potential $$$$ situation - and even that was probably more her Mother's mindset than hers. Mayte has stated she had no attraction to him at all, and rightfully so, as he was old enough to be her Father - allbeit a young one.

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Go back and read the lyrics to 3 Chains O Gold. There is NO other way to view that song, other than Prince expressing the loss of a woman he loved.

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If I'm doing "too damn much" to prove my point, then you are doing equally the same to prove yours. I happen to think it is more than possible that Mayte was pregnant a month prior to the wedding. Nothing wrong with that, and I do understand why they would have not wanted that known. Mayte herself stated on camera that she carried the baby "to term", so it's a statement straight from the source.

They didn't just take a pregnancy test on their honeymoon, she also had blood drawn on her honeymoon that came up negative for pregnancy. They wanted a child that bad, they couldn't wait to find out if she was pregnant. Page 186

Sorry, I just don't buy it at all. I think all of that was and is tied to the "we conceived on our wedding night" story, so the due date would had to have been mid November. It's just way too contrived. There's no going back once you put that story out there though. However, I don't know if she just plain forgot during that Hollywood Ex's interview, or slipped up or what, but she absolutely stated she carried the baby to term. She DID NOT say it was a premature birth or that she had to deliver 3-4 weeks early.

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PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Wow, so he went from declaring that marriage and kids did not have a place in his life in March to asking her to marry him just four months later in July?? Hmmm...

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I thought she stated she delivered pre-term at 37 weeks?? Baby's lungs are typically considered developed enough from 36 weeks forward...

Depends on the baby. I had my son at 38 weeks by C-section and his lungs weren't developed and they had to give him the shot for it.

You delivered and then they gave your son the shot, right? What I read on the post was that they gave HER the shot prior to delivering.

violetcrush said:

PennyPurple said:

Depends on the baby. I had my son at 38 weeks by C-section and his lungs weren't developed and they had to give him the shot for it.

You delivered and then they gave your son the shot, right? What I read on the post was that they gave HER the shot prior to delivering.

Yes, I delivered and they gave him the shot. She got the shot before she delivered because she was having trouble and they knew they were going to have to take the baby early. Which they would have done with me, but since 38 weeks isn't early they didn't think there would be a problem. With Mayte they knew there was a problem.

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

You delivered and then they gave your son the shot, right? What I read on the post was that they gave HER the shot prior to delivering.

Yes, I delivered and they gave him the shot. She got the shot before she delivered because she was having trouble and they knew they were going to have to take the baby early. Which they would have done with me, but since 38 weeks isn't early they didn't think there would be a problem. With Mayte they knew there was a problem.

Yes, I have no doubt that they knew a C-section would have to be done, because of the enlarged skull and other potential issues, however, they always try to maintain the pregnancy unless baby and/or Mother are in serious distress. I know she was in pain and they knew the baby most likely had some medical issues, but I had not read or heard of anything stating the need for an emergency C-section.

Prince was 37. After all the women he’d been with, he waited until he was 37 to get the woman he’d proposed to pregnant. Okay.
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violetcrush said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes, I delivered and they gave him the shot. She got the shot before she delivered because she was having trouble and they knew they were going to have to take the baby early. Which they would have done with me, but since 38 weeks isn't early they didn't think there would be a problem. With Mayte they knew there was a problem.

Yes, I have no doubt that they knew a C-section would have to be done, because of the enlarged skull and other potential issues, however, they always try to maintain the pregnancy unless baby and/or Mother are in serious distress. I know she was in pain and they knew the baby most likely had some medical issues, but I had not read or heard of anything stating the need for an emergency C-section.

Page202-204 she went into labor, they had to stop the labor. She left the hospital on Prince's wishes and against the Drs advice on the way home he took her to another ER, they set up a date of Oct 16 for the C-Section, they kept her bed-ridden in the hospital until she went into labor again, On Oct 15 the day before the scheduled C-Section, they tried to stop the labor but couldn't. Prince even had them call in a plastic surgeon to sew her up, so she wouldn't be scarred to bad since she was a belly dancer.

It's all in the book. As much as you want to discredit their story, and say Mayte 'can't remember'. I believe Mayte. She married him, she was pregnant with his child, and she gave birth to that baby.

You are trying so hard to change their history, why? Why are you believing what other people say and not believing the person involved?

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amethyst68 said:

Prince was 37. After all the women he’d been with, he waited until he was 37 to get the woman he’d proposed to pregnant. Okay. [Edited 8/27/19 20:23pm]

Okay, but here's a thought - Mayte began an intimate relationship with Prince- I believe she stated on her 19th birthday? If he was so much in love, and truly felt she was his "soulmate", and all of the other over-the-top things he later said - then why wait over 3 years before proposing?? Makes no sense. He was seeing SO many women from 1990-1995. I think the pregnancy made him want to settle down.

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It has also been said that there were other pregnancies in his past - also unexpected. I believe Troy Beyer admitted to having a miscarriage, and Jill Jones eluded to an ectopic pregnancy but did not state whose pregnancy - possibly hers or Vanity's. I think Vanity based on an interview she did in 1990 where she displayed a sculpture that she had made for Prince and pointed out one of the pieces as their "angel" on the inside.

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Age really means nothing, especially in Prince's case, because he never really "grew up". He always had the same mentality when it came to age - "time is a trick", "age is just a number".....

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I have no doubt that they knew a C-section would have to be done, because of the enlarged skull and other potential issues, however, they always try to maintain the pregnancy unless baby and/or Mother are in serious distress. I know she was in pain and they knew the baby most likely had some medical issues, but I had not read or heard of anything stating the need for an emergency C-section.

Page202-204 she went into labor, they had to stop the labor. She left the hospital on Prince's wishes and against the Drs advice on the way home he took her to another ER, they set up a date of Oct 16 for the C-Section, they kept her bed-ridden in the hospital until she went into labor again, On Oct 15 the day before the scheduled C-Section, they tried to stop the labor but couldn't. Prince even had them call in a plastic surgeon to sew her up, so she wouldn't be scarred to bad since she was a belly dancer.

It's all in the book. As much as you want to discredit their story, and say Mayte 'can't remember'. I believe Mayte. She married him, she was pregnant with his child, and she gave birth to that baby.

You are trying so hard to change their history, why? Why are you believing what other people say and not believing the person involved?

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But I AM going by a statement of the person involved. In 2013, during an interview on the Hollywood Ex's show, she talked extensively about the baby she lost. She specifically stated "I carried the baby to term". Here is the video link again. You watch it and tell me what you think.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suSGH-0-Io8

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She does not say anything about a premature birth or emergency C-section.

amethyst68 said:

I don’t think she mixed up the song she heard him perform. Prince performed a medley of songs, which included the song she has consistently said she heard at his concert.

The circulating recording of the evening's performance (which included the medley at the end of the show) doesn't include 'Thieves In The Temple'.

violetcrush said:

amethyst68 said:

Stop acting as if the only reason he married her was because she was pregnant. It’s not. They were in love and wanted to be together and have a family. In all of the letters from Prince included in her book he made it clear that she was his destiny and he wanted to have children with her and her alone. There were rumors of them headed to the altar right after “The Most Beautuful Girl In The World” was released. Who cares what he told the media. He told the media lots of things that weren’t true. What he told her and what he did is what matters.

Oh come on!! Rumors are exactly that - just gossip and hearsay. Prince was in no way heading to the altar when he wrote TMBGITW. The biggest rumor is that the song was actually written for her. He was still lamenting over Kim B during that time. Have you listened to the Come album? Replay Dark and Solo and that should change your thinking. Listen to his Stars n Bars show in ‘94 where, before he sings Acknowledge Me, which is known to be about Kim B, he says “much props to the woman who..she knows who she is..she shouldn’t have gotten married”, and before he sang Dark he said “she won’t acknowledge me, she just left me on the dark”. Kim B married Alec Baldwin about 6 months prior to that show. * Susannah Melvoin also stated he came to her place in 1993 crying in her arms and told her “you’re the only one in the world that can hug me the way I need to be hugged. She also posted the card he wrote to her in 1994-95 which he signed “I love U, please write”. * So, it would seem Prince was missing at least a couple of past loves during that time. He was NOT planning marriage in ‘93-‘95 time period. [Edited 8/26/19 19:21pm]

First I've heard of that. Where is this info from?

amethyst68 said:

Did u really just try to compare Vanity's book sales with Mayte's book sales to prove who's more fascinating? Mayte came out with a tell all book about her relationship with Prince on the back of Prince's mysterious and sudden death to make a quick buck and for payback. Vanity wrote a book about finding God that intentionally didn't have shit about her relationship with Prince. Do the math...

Who give two shits about Mayte? All y'all, After-2016 Mayte Crusaders fake ass Prince fans who got off from a 16 year old girl being with a grown ass man don't count. Nobody gave a damn about Mayte until her ghost writer set up a fan fiction for y'all to read on the heels of Prince's death.

icecreamcastle777 said:

amethyst68 said:

It was NOT finished before his death. She didn’t have a publisher before his death. He couldn’t have prevented her from publishing it because he, in fact, was publishing his own memoir. Do you think he wouldn’t be talking about the 10 years she was in his life and the baby in his memoir? Are you saying that he’d prevent her from publishing a memoir but he could? He was with many women throughout his life but I have never heard him talk about his love for any of them like he did with Mayte. They definitely had something different. She definitely opened him up and if you were around in the day, it was intriguing to see and I think that’s why people want to read about it all. Prince and Mayte were engaged several months before they married so let’s drop the “she got pregnant and he married her” story. You can’t compare his marriage to Manuela to his first marriage. He didn’t go so far as to announce his re-marriage let alone talk about his wife, his wedding or the marriage as he did with the first. They don’t have a story nearly as fascinating. As for Vanity, they dated for less than 2 years. There’s not much more to say. They didn’t marry, were never engaged and didn’t have children together. Why did you bring her up? Prince fans weren’t too fascinated with Vanity because her book didn’t do well at all and her life story, more so than her romance with Prince, actually is interesting. You’re trying to discredit a best-selling book with rave reviews by sarcastically commenting you saw it in a bargain bin at a discount store. Fail.

Did u really just try to compare Vanity's book sales with Mayte's book sales to prove who's more fascinating? Mayte came out with a tell all book about her relationship with Prince on the back of Prince's mysterious and sudden death to make a quick buck and for payback. Vanity wrote a book about finding God that intentionally didn't have shit about her relationship with Prince. Do the math... Who give two shits about Mayte? All y'all, After-2016 Mayte Crusaders fake ass Prince fans who got off from a 16 year old girl being with a grown ass man don't count. Nobody gave a damn about Mayte until her ghost writer set up a fan fiction for y'all to read on the heels of Prince's death.

THANK YOU!!! Good Lord, I was waiting for someone else to post a good dose of logical reality on this thread Unlike Mayte, Vanity published her book WHILE PRINCE WAS ALIVE AND WITH HIS BLESSING. Yes, of course, she would have known that fans would be interested and curious about any information she included with regard to her relationship with Prince. However, that portion was minimal compared to the rest of her story and message. She was also trying to support her extensive medical bills - not just trying to make a quick buck off of Prince's death by being the first to publish details of their relationship.

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Mayte, through no initial fault of her own, was a young puppet on a string in 1990 - first led by her money hungry Mother into the PP camp, and then by Prince when he decided he was ready to control another much-too-young and naive teenager (after Carmen/Tara split of course) and keep her there. I think just about any 17-19 yr old girl would get caught up in the fame, fortune, and all of the perks that come with being on the arm of someone like Prince, who - let's face it - was also addicted to the fame and attention as much as he was his music.

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When I read the Nannys' statements (on an old thread here) which were published in 1997 about what Mayte had to deal with because of Prince's control and quirks during her pregnancy it was quite shocking - even if she had had a normal pregnancy it would have been shocking, but much much worse because it was far from normal.

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I do believe that Mayte was pregnant before the marriage, but that's just my opinion. I think she became accustomed to the lifestyle, which many would. Much easier than trying to make it on your own as a young twenty-something with no experience other than dancing on stage behind Prince. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - SHAME ON HER PARENTS!!! I really hope she helps her daughter take a different path.

langebleu said:

amethyst68 said:

I don’t think she mixed up the song she heard him perform. Prince performed a medley of songs, which included the song she has consistently said she heard at his concert.

The circulating recording of the evening's performance (which included the medley at the end of the show) doesn't include 'Thieves In The Temple'.

Thank you for the confirmation langebleu - one of the many "Prince-o-pedia" folks on this site!!!

dodger said:

violetcrush said:

amethyst68 said: Oh come on!! Rumors are exactly that - just gossip and hearsay. Prince was in no way heading to the altar when he wrote TMBGITW. The biggest rumor is that the song was actually written for her. He was still lamenting over Kim B during that time. Have you listened to the Come album? Replay Dark and Solo and that should change your thinking. Listen to his Stars n Bars show in ‘94 where, before he sings Acknowledge Me, which is known to be about Kim B, he says “much props to the woman who..she knows who she is..she shouldn’t have gotten married”, and before he sang Dark he said “she won’t acknowledge me, she just left me on the dark”. Kim B married Alec Baldwin about 6 months prior to that show. * Susannah Melvoin also stated he came to her place in 1993 crying in her arms and told her “you’re the only one in the world that can hug me the way I need to be hugged. She also posted the card he wrote to her in 1994-95 which he signed “I love U, please write”. * So, it would seem Prince was missing at least a couple of past loves during that time. He was NOT planning marriage in ‘93-‘95 time period. [Edited 8/26/19 19:21pm]

First I've heard of that. Where is this info from?

It was mentioned in articles back when he first released it on Crystal Ball. I'll see if I can find one of them. It seems to be his response to her for abruptly leaving MN and never discussing or mentioning having a relationship with him. I think he put the loop of her "moans" in Peach and other songs as another "dig" toward her.

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The lyrics definitely lean toward her -

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Come on pretty baby, sit your butt on the chair there
And let me run a gender in and out of your hair fair (Kim B - natural blonde so curtains would match the drapes )

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'Cause as soon as you be strollin' in your Lagerfeld blazer (Kim modeled for Lagerfeld)
You need to know how many ways a brother can praise ya
To bad four hell, to good to let heaven raise ya

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Baby doll, can you get the hell away
From that thing you call a man and then we can play (Kim was with Alec Baldwin)

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When it's all said a better brother should be more
Thank the Lord
Huh, four a body like that, titties swingin' like a door (watch 91/2 Weeks - scene in the rain screwing Mickey Rourke in the stairwell...titties swinging like a door!!)
Gimme to times just to thank my Savior
Girl, what can I say, you got the crazy flavor

violetcrush said:

You are very good at embellishing!

icecreamcastle777 said:

amethyst68 said:

It was NOT finished before his death. She didn’t have a publisher before his death. He couldn’t have prevented her from publishing it because he, in fact, was publishing his own memoir. Do you think he wouldn’t be talking about the 10 years she was in his life and the baby in his memoir? Are you saying that he’d prevent her from publishing a memoir but he could? He was with many women throughout his life but I have never heard him talk about his love for any of them like he did with Mayte. They definitely had something different. She definitely opened him up and if you were around in the day, it was intriguing to see and I think that’s why people want to read about it all. Prince and Mayte were engaged several months before they married so let’s drop the “she got pregnant and he married her” story. You can’t compare his marriage to Manuela to his first marriage. He didn’t go so far as to announce his re-marriage let alone talk about his wife, his wedding or the marriage as he did with the first. They don’t have a story nearly as fascinating. As for Vanity, they dated for less than 2 years. There’s not much more to say. They didn’t marry, were never engaged and didn’t have children together. Why did you bring her up? Prince fans weren’t too fascinated with Vanity because her book didn’t do well at all and her life story, more so than her romance with Prince, actually is interesting. You’re trying to discredit a best-selling book with rave reviews by sarcastically commenting you saw it in a bargain bin at a discount store. Fail.

Did u really just try to compare Vanity's book sales with Mayte's book sales to prove who's more fascinating? Mayte came out with a tell all book about her relationship with Prince on the back of Prince's mysterious and sudden death to make a quick buck and for payback. Vanity wrote a book about finding God that intentionally didn't have shit about her relationship with Prince. Do the math... Who give two shits about Mayte? All y'all, After-2016 Mayte Crusaders fake ass Prince fans who got off from a 16 year old girl being with a grown ass man don't count. Nobody gave a damn about Mayte until her ghost writer set up a fan fiction for y'all to read on the heels of Prince's death.

dodger said:

Nah, just have to read between the cryptic lines - or in this case, lyrics
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Actually though, it was stated that Kim B was most likely the subject.

Missmusicluver72 said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

amethyst68 said: Did u really just try to compare Vanity's book sales with Mayte's book sales to prove who's more fascinating? Mayte came out with a tell all book about her relationship with Prince on the back of Prince's mysterious and sudden death to make a quick buck and for payback. Vanity wrote a book about finding God that intentionally didn't have shit about her relationship with Prince. Do the math... Who give two shits about Mayte? All y'all, After-2016 Mayte Crusaders fake ass Prince fans who got off from a 16 year old girl being with a grown ass man don't count. Nobody gave a damn about Mayte until her ghost writer set up a fan fiction for y'all to read on the heels of Prince's death.

That's right

icecreamcastle777 said:

amethyst68 said: Did u really just try to compare Vanity's book sales with Mayte's book sales to prove who's more fascinating? Mayte came out with a tell all book about her relationship with Prince on the back of Prince's mysterious and sudden death to make a quick buck and for payback. Vanity wrote a book about finding God that intentionally didn't have shit about her relationship with Prince. Do the math... Who give two shits about Mayte? All y'all, After-2016 Mayte Crusaders fake ass Prince fans who got off from a 16 year old girl being with a grown ass man don't count. Nobody gave a damn about Mayte until her ghost writer set up a fan fiction for y'all to read on the heels of Prince's death.

• See what happens when you divorce your wife 'on the cheap'!

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[Edited 8/28/19 19:31pm]

violetcrush said:

dodger said:

You are very good at embellishing!

Nah, just have to read between the cryptic lines - or in this case, lyrics * Actually though, it was stated that Kim B was most likely the subject.

I'll bite again...

By who?

dodger said:

It was the press writing about it - either when discussing it back k in the late 90’s either with the CB release or his just his relationship with Kim B in general. It makes sense. He wrote the song in 1993 not long after Kim married Alec Baldwin.
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Listen to the May 4th 1994 show at Stars n Bars. Before playing AM he says to the crowd, “Much props to the woman who, she know who she is, she know who she is, she shouldn’t of gotten married” and then he goes into the song. Then, after AM and before he starts to play Dark he says, “she won’t acknowledge me, so I’m just in the dark, she just left me in the dark”.

violetcrush said:

amethyst68 said:

violetcrush said: You are a female, right? Excuse me for correcting you but no woman having contractions in her 7th month of pregnancy with the problems she had is carrying a baby to the projected due date. Her son was born 3 weeks early. Ask your doctor but most would consider 37 weeks to be full term or early term. No sense in dissecting every word she has said. Even if she conceived before their wedding date, there is no way she would have known it. A pregnancy test couldn’t confirm it. Learn a little bit about your body and conception. Pregnancies aren’t instantaneous. There was no rush to have a wedding. There’s an article published in early December that discusses rumors of their wedding date. She couldn’t have been pregnant then. That would mean she conceived in November.

"Early term: Your baby is born between 37 weeks, 0 days and 38 weeks, 6 days. Full term: Your baby is born between 39 weeks, 0 days and 40 weeks, 6 days. Late term: Your baby is born between 41 weeks, 0 days and 41 weeks, 6 days. Postterm: Your baby is born after 42 weeks, 0 days."

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I am actually a Mother. I have a 12 yr old daughter, so I understand conception very very well. 40 weeks is full term or also called "to term", not 37 weeks - I have first hand knowledge, because my daughter was born at 371/2 weeks, which was considered 11/2 weeks early. Mayte's conception date would have been mid January for a mid October due date. Also, if she had conceived on January 15th, let's say, which would have been about 2 weeks after her last menstrual cycle, she would have been able to see a positive pregnancy test as early as January 24th - 9 days later. She would have been about one month into her pregnancy by her wedding date - or a bit more if she had conceived earlier in January. There would have been plenty of time to plan a quick and small local ceremony, which is exactly what they ended up doing. Can you imagine the media's field day had they known she was pregnant before the wedding?? I understand why they would have "tweaked" the dates. No doubt Prince did not want that kind of press, and he wanted to protect her as well.

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From what I have read, they had supposedly planned to eventually have the wedding in Paris, because Prince loved Paris - it is where he had proposed to Susannah Melvoin in 1985, however, as we know, they never got married. As late as March of 1995, Prince had stated to a journalist, when asked if he planned to settle down and have children, that marriage and family were not in the cards for him. Prince giving Mayte an engagement ring - even if it was December of 1995 - in no way confirmed a marriage was going to happen. It's widely known that he was still dating Nona Gaye when he gave Mayte the ring. However, it makes sense that he would move quickly with the marriage upon learning of the positive pregnancy test.

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Here is Mayte stating she carried the baby to term. It seems clear that she is faking emotion as well by wiping a tear that is not there. I totally understand that the passage of time diminishes the intensity of the emotions, but then don't try to dramatize it on a TV show. That just seemed very wrong to me:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suSGH-0-Io8

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All I am saying here is that I don't necessarily think their marriage was set in stone until the positive pregnancy test. Offering an engagement ring does not solidify a wedding, especially with someone like Prince.

Sorry, I know I'm responding late in the game, but...

My pregnancies have all been high risk. With my last two pregnancies, they decided to do C-sections at 37 weeks because that is considered full term according to my doctors. Full term pregnancies run 37 to 40 weeks. Yes, a baby born at 37 weeks is considered early, but they are not considered to be premature. My oldest went over 40 weeks by 4 days and I had to have an emergency c-section. My second pregnancy resulted in still birth at 36 weeks. She was my first daughter. She was considered premature. My second son was born at exactly 37 weeks and he is considered a full term birth. They decided to do a c-section earlier than the planned 37 weeks with my second daughter due to concern for her survival. We were experiencing the same things with her as with my first daughter and she was born at exactly 36 weeks too and is considered a premie, or late pre term. There were about 20 people in the OR with us when my daughter was born, in case she had complications or had a difficult time breathing because they weren't sure whether she would have a hard time breathing or not. The first thing the neonatologist said to me was that she was breathing fine on her own and didn't need to have any oxygen.

https://www.pregnancybirt...o-40-weeks

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benni said:

violetcrush said:

"Early term: Your baby is born between 37 weeks, 0 days and 38 weeks, 6 days. Full term: Your baby is born between 39 weeks, 0 days and 40 weeks, 6 days. Late term: Your baby is born between 41 weeks, 0 days and 41 weeks, 6 days. Postterm: Your baby is born after 42 weeks, 0 days."

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I am actually a Mother. I have a 12 yr old daughter, so I understand conception very very well. 40 weeks is full term or also called "to term", not 37 weeks - I have first hand knowledge, because my daughter was born at 371/2 weeks, which was considered 11/2 weeks early. Mayte's conception date would have been mid January for a mid October due date. Also, if she had conceived on January 15th, let's say, which would have been about 2 weeks after her last menstrual cycle, she would have been able to see a positive pregnancy test as early as January 24th - 9 days later. She would have been about one month into her pregnancy by her wedding date - or a bit more if she had conceived earlier in January. There would have been plenty of time to plan a quick and small local ceremony, which is exactly what they ended up doing. Can you imagine the media's field day had they known she was pregnant before the wedding?? I understand why they would have "tweaked" the dates. No doubt Prince did not want that kind of press, and he wanted to protect her as well.

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From what I have read, they had supposedly planned to eventually have the wedding in Paris, because Prince loved Paris - it is where he had proposed to Susannah Melvoin in 1985, however, as we know, they never got married. As late as March of 1995, Prince had stated to a journalist, when asked if he planned to settle down and have children, that marriage and family were not in the cards for him. Prince giving Mayte an engagement ring - even if it was December of 1995 - in no way confirmed a marriage was going to happen. It's widely known that he was still dating Nona Gaye when he gave Mayte the ring. However, it makes sense that he would move quickly with the marriage upon learning of the positive pregnancy test.

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Here is Mayte stating she carried the baby to term. It seems clear that she is faking emotion as well by wiping a tear that is not there. I totally understand that the passage of time diminishes the intensity of the emotions, but then don't try to dramatize it on a TV show. That just seemed very wrong to me:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suSGH-0-Io8

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All I am saying here is that I don't necessarily think their marriage was set in stone until the positive pregnancy test. Offering an engagement ring does not solidify a wedding, especially with someone like Prince.

Sorry, I know I'm responding late in the game, but...

My pregnancies have all been high risk. With my last two pregnancies, they decided to do C-sections at 37 weeks because that is considered full term according to my doctors. Full term pregnancies run 37 to 40 weeks. Yes, a baby born at 37 weeks is considered early, but they are not considered to be premature. My oldest went over 40 weeks by 4 days and I had to have an emergency c-section. My second pregnancy resulted in still birth at 36 weeks. She was my first daughter. She was considered premature. My second son was born at exactly 37 weeks and he is considered a full term birth. They decided to do a c-section earlier than the planned 37 weeks with my second daughter due to concern for her survival. We were experiencing the same things with her as with my first daughter and she was born at exactly 36 weeks too and is considered a premie, or late pre term.

https://www.pregnancybirt...o-40-weeks

I'm so sorry about the loss of your daughter. I can't imagine the level of devastation, and I feel for you and anyone, including Mayte, who has lost a child at birth or at any age

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My understanding has always been that - generally speaking - a baby born prior to the 39-40 week period is considered "early" or "pre-term" but not necessarily "pre-mature", which would be determined after the APGAR test is done to determine heart rate, muscle tone, lung function, etc. My due date was December 8th and I delivered by an unplanned C-Section (I was high risk at 39 and had very low amniotic fluid on the last Sonogram) on November 21st. Although I was 11/2-2 weeks early and my daughter was just 5 lbs 12 oz, the birth was considered "pre-term" and not "pre-mature", because she passed the APGAR test and did not need any additional monitoring in the NICU.

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I guess the labels can vary by Doctor and/or hospital processes and protocol, and of course by the individual health and needs of the baby after birth. The discussion came up here, because I had mentioned that Mayte's birth had been reported as pre=mature and one month early. However, when she discussed it on camera in 2013 she stated she carried to term, which would indicate a birth that was not considered "pre-mature".