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Reply #300 posted 10/14/19 8:21pm

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Strive said:
People who were there already said you were wrong but you still repeat it (because you're a terrible human being)
Have you watched Kevin Smith’s video about his time at PP that week?? He specifically described the session where Prince divided the fan group in order to try to support his view of following the New World Translation Bible. It had to do with those who believe ending up with all of the women, because the men followed the laws of God. * That was a hardcore time for him. He was preaching and proselytizing during his concerts too.

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violetcrush said:

TrivialPursuit said: Kevin Smith told that story. When Prince asked him to do a film at PP he arrived and found out that Prince wanted him to film his listening party for TRC. At one point Prince came in and started talking his religious schtick. He separated the fans into two groups to show how the ones who follow the Bible (or more specifically the New World Translation) would have the women and live in paradise or whatever. Yikes!! Sounded like a wackadoo week eek

I was there. That's not what happened at all. They split you into small groups to go to different rooms at Paisley Park to listen to the new/unreleased album, The Rainbow Children. The groups were simply based on size/numbers that the rooms could accomodate.

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After listening to the album, Prince's people (sometimes with Prince) would come around to talk about both the lyrics and the music. It was a Q and A session that delved deeper into the themes of the album. If Prince went to your group, Kevin Smith was filming. Yes, there was some God talk. It was less preachy than Church and about as religious as the cryptic talk on the L4OA website. Actually, Prince mostly listened to people's opinions and reactions.

skywalker said:

It's possible. Yet, calling it a "wackadoo" week isn't really what it was. It was less Sunday school, and more geek talk about music, the media, societal issues, etc. There was no kool aid drinking, prayers, nor chanting. Like I said, less churchy/preachy than church. More like: Holy shit! Prince is here chatting with us?!?!


Where's the crying fans in that post? Or the Kevin Smith talk where he called it parlour games?

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Reply #301 posted 10/15/19 5:36am

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Strive said:


I apologize to Bart. Even though he's abrasive and wrong some of the time, I thought it was him who said this when it was really...



violetcrush said:


Strive said:
People who were there already said you were wrong but you still repeat it (because you're a terrible human being)

Have you watched Kevin Smith’s video about his time at PP that week?? He specifically described the session where Prince divided the fan group in order to try to support his view of following the New World Translation Bible. It had to do with those who believe ending up with all of the women, because the men followed the laws of God. * That was a hardcore time for him. He was preaching and proselytizing during his concerts too.


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skywalker said:




violetcrush said:


TrivialPursuit said: Kevin Smith told that story. When Prince asked him to do a film at PP he arrived and found out that Prince wanted him to film his listening party for TRC. At one point Prince came in and started talking his religious schtick. He separated the fans into two groups to show how the ones who follow the Bible (or more specifically the New World Translation) would have the women and live in paradise or whatever. Yikes!! Sounded like a wackadoo week eek

I was there. That's not what happened at all. They split you into small groups to go to different rooms at Paisley Park to listen to the new/unreleased album, The Rainbow Children. The groups were simply based on size/numbers that the rooms could accomodate.


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After listening to the album, Prince's people (sometimes with Prince) would come around to talk about both the lyrics and the music. It was a Q and A session that delved deeper into the themes of the album. If Prince went to your group, Kevin Smith was filming. Yes, there was some God talk. It was less preachy than Church and about as religious as the cryptic talk on the L4OA website. Actually, Prince mostly listened to people's opinions and reactions.






skywalker said:


It's possible. Yet, calling it a "wackadoo" week isn't really what it was. It was less Sunday school, and more geek talk about music, the media, societal issues, etc. There was no kool aid drinking, prayers, nor chanting. Like I said, less churchy/preachy than church. More like: Holy shit! Prince is here chatting with us?!?!




Where's the crying fans in that post? Or the Kevin Smith talk where he called it parlour games?

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Crying fans?? Parlor games?? Where did I state that in my posts? I believe those were Bart’s comments. I reiterated exactly what Kevin had stated in his video “A Night With Kevin Smith”, AND I specified that the “dividing fans” incident happened during one session where Kevin was present, not every session. However, in another session Kevin stated some fans’ take on TRC album was that Prince hated white people. When Kevin relayed this to Prince he replied, “well if the bra fits..”.
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He was clearly in a different place during that time, and was not flexible with other views. He lost fans during this time as well. Then he moved away from the preaching and brought fans back with Musicology.
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Reply #302 posted 10/15/19 6:24am

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Reply #303 posted 10/15/19 6:25am

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Chicago event related to the book release: https://www.chicagoideas....nity-party

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Join your Chicago Ideas community members for an epic evening in celebration of our ninth year and the release of Prince's memoir, The Beautiful Ones. Grammy Award-winning musician Questlove will sit down for a reminiscent conversation about the impact of the iconic artist. Then attendees will enjoy a live, Prince-themed DJ set by Questlove.

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Reply #304 posted 10/15/19 8:40am

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This book is going to reduce me into a raison; via eye ejaculations of sadness.

"...because no-one gets there alone." - "...I like the floor. It's the only thing that seems real."
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Reply #305 posted 10/15/19 9:30pm

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SexLovely said:

This book is going to reduce me into a raison; via eye ejaculations of sadness.



Wait.

What?

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Reply #306 posted 10/15/19 11:30pm

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The upcoming issue of EW (formerly Entertainment Weekly) will have exclusive photos from Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones". The magazine will be available starting Friday.

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Reply #307 posted 10/16/19 2:46am

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The upcoming issue of EW (formerly Entertainment Weekly) will have exclusive photos from Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones". The magazine will be available starting Friday.

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Apparently this will not be a regular issue of EW (its October issue was published two weeks ago), but a "Fall Books Special" issue. The cover feature is already available -- https://ew.com/author-int...le-weirds/ -- so it's likely those pictures will also be online in the coming days.

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You can view the cover in this tweet: https://twitter.com/david...7774376960

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EG8ETKJUYAAw_DB?format=jpg&name=large

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Reply #308 posted 10/16/19 8:27pm

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GQ India article: https://www.gqindia.com/m...oir-month/


I pay attention to your updates, in case you think no one cares.

as for all the other stuff, golly, I can't tell who is friend or foe, and there was enough juicy gossip tidbits to complete the other 50 pages, lol.

I am going to try and not look at pictures from the book before I get the book.

And, some of you are very snazzy with emoji type symbols.

"For someone who grew up in the 1980s, even in India, the shadow cast by Prince was inescapable. This is a powerful fact, given that it was an era before smartphones and the internet. MTV had just been born in America and was still a decade away from making its debut on the other side of the planet."

(Copied from link)

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Reply #309 posted 10/16/19 8:29pm

mnfriend

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GQ India article: https://www.gqindia.com/m...oir-month/

Beautiful picture upon opening the link. I do not believe I have ever seen it before.

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Reply #310 posted 10/17/19 12:15am

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The article/intro shows how unrealized a lot of Prince's genius was, and how much bigger he thought.

When he describes the layers of the book? He was just so smart when locked in. Reading about his process might be the most enlightening thing possible, and it sounds like process, looking behind the curtain, was going to be part of the empowerment of sharing his story and how things unfolded for him. So now I'm wondering why they didn't flush out the missing pages by doing more of that??

He gave the guidelines, he even said the goal was for the co-authors voice to mesh into his. It sounds like the writer had limited access to him but why couldn't he have then gone to some key figures in Prince's life and put together the equivalent of his intro with Andre, Morris, Sheila, or better yet, lesser known folks? Prince spent the last years of his life seemingly giving advice and mentoring people. He reportedly spent hours on the phone talking to friends and having the types of discussions the author describes. I'd rather that then filler photos or emphemera.

The other thing that it reminds me is how sad some of Prince's routine was. The man built himself a nightclub, then would have dance parties with a hand full of employees before taking them to a movie. It wasn't like he didn't go to real nightclubs and approximate some version of that outside of Paisley Park. I don't know, but that detail and the incoherent attempt to convey his feelings about racism, which he was clearly of two minds about, like a lot of things, just really jumped out at me.

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Reply #311 posted 10/17/19 9:12am

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https://ew.com/books/2019/10/17/prince-the-beautiful-ones-memoir-first-look/

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Reply #312 posted 10/17/19 11:02am

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That exclusive preview in EW of Prince's memoir is online: https://ew.com/books/2019...irst-look/

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Reply #313 posted 10/17/19 5:21pm

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I know it's just an article but,
I didn't see much of a preview, just the writer's words, narrative.
I thought there would be snippets
or even just 1 quote for a preview to get people excited.
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Reply #314 posted 10/17/19 11:47pm

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mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said:

I know it's just an article but, I didn't see much of a preview, just the writer's words, narrative. I thought there would be snippets or even just 1 quote for a preview to get people excited.

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It must be bloody hard to read my previous posts.

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Reply #315 posted 10/18/19 12:31am

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BartVanHemelen said:



mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said:


I know it's just an article but, I didn't see much of a preview, just the writer's words, narrative. I thought there would be snippets or even just 1 quote for a preview to get people excited.

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It must be bloody hard to read my previous posts.


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Reply #316 posted 10/18/19 1:19pm

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The article/intro shows how unrealized a lot of Prince's genius was, and how much bigger he thought.

When he describes the layers of the book? He was just so smart when locked in. Reading about his process might be the most enlightening thing possible, and it sounds like process, looking behind the curtain, was going to be part of the empowerment of sharing his story and how things unfolded for him. So now I'm wondering why they didn't flush out the missing pages by doing more of that??

He gave the guidelines, he even said the goal was for the co-authors voice to mesh into his. It sounds like the writer had limited access to him but why couldn't he have then gone to some key figures in Prince's life and put together the equivalent of his intro with Andre, Morris, Sheila, or better yet, lesser known folks? Prince spent the last years of his life seemingly giving advice and mentoring people. He reportedly spent hours on the phone talking to friends and having the types of discussions the author describes. I'd rather that then filler photos or emphemera.

The other thing that it reminds me is how sad some of Prince's routine was. The man built himself a nightclub, then would have dance parties with a hand full of employees before taking them to a movie. It wasn't like he didn't go to real nightclubs and approximate some version of that outside of Paisley Park. I don't know, but that detail and the incoherent attempt to convey his feelings about racism, which he was clearly of two minds about, like a lot of things, just really jumped out at me.

^^^ Because then it would not have been in Prince's words. Andre, Morris and Sheila would have inevitably given the story from their perspective, and what they could remember. The writer would have had more access to Prince had there been more time to continue their collaboration. I believe he stated that Prince said he was looking forward to continuing the writing and planning of the book.

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Reply #317 posted 10/19/19 9:16am

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lavendardrummachine said:

The article/intro shows how unrealized a lot of Prince's genius was, and how much bigger he thought.

When he describes the layers of the book? He was just so smart when locked in. Reading about his process might be the most enlightening thing possible, and it sounds like process, looking behind the curtain, was going to be part of the empowerment of sharing his story and how things unfolded for him. So now I'm wondering why they didn't flush out the missing pages by doing more of that??

He gave the guidelines, he even said the goal was for the co-authors voice to mesh into his. It sounds like the writer had limited access to him but why couldn't he have then gone to some key figures in Prince's life and put together the equivalent of his intro with Andre, Morris, Sheila, or better yet, lesser known folks? Prince spent the last years of his life seemingly giving advice and mentoring people. He reportedly spent hours on the phone talking to friends and having the types of discussions the author describes. I'd rather that then filler photos or emphemera.

The other thing that it reminds me is how sad some of Prince's routine was. The man built himself a nightclub, then would have dance parties with a hand full of employees before taking them to a movie. It wasn't like he didn't go to real nightclubs and approximate some version of that outside of Paisley Park. I don't know, but that detail and the incoherent attempt to convey his feelings about racism, which he was clearly of two minds about, like a lot of things, just really jumped out at me.


I think if the author 'flushed out more pages from others input' in would be more of the same of what is out there. In fact, every person has already talked and written their opinions beliefs claim to P fame already!

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Reply #318 posted 10/19/19 4:09pm

mnfriend

Alright. As I opened the link earlier today here and saw the photograph of Prince's handwritten lyric

'Do Me Baby' written on a brown paper bag,

that searing, operatic vocal on the recorded track of this song is playing in my head.

Wiki says this:

'Do Me, Baby" is a 1981 ballad performed by Prince, from his fourth album, Controversy. Although it was credited as being written by him, it is alleged to have been written by his former bassist and childhood friend André Cymone.[2] It was released as the third and final US single from the album.'

Having this photo in the book answers my question: Did Prince himself make the selections of memories/ photos to be shared, put in the book?

I say: Yes.

And that whole song is Prince, the voice, the vocal, soprano, note holding, etc

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Reply #319 posted 10/19/19 4:27pm

mnfriend

eek funny just remember the first 3rd of 'Do Me Baby' not the whole last 1/3 until now on Spotify

don't know how much more personal that song could get.

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Reply #320 posted 10/19/19 7:31pm

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Only 10 to 12 days now before I get my hands on a copy. (depends on my crappy rural mail serivce and the sorters at Amazon...) No spoilers will I read until I settle in with my own copy. I hope it is everything we are hoping it will be.

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Reply #321 posted 10/22/19 10:41pm

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lol

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Reply #322 posted 10/23/19 4:14am

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Half-page review in the December issue of Mojo.

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Excerpts (spoilerific, of course):

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FOR THOSE too emotionally invested in the prospect of The Beautiful Ones – and all the many ways this project could have gone horribly wrong – to wait ’til the last paragraph for an overall verdict, ‘Posthumous Prince Smorgasbord Snatches Joy From The Jaws Of Despond’ should just about cover it.

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Despite its doomladen provenance [...], The Beautiful Ones rivals Beastie Boys Book – or even your favourite Prince song – as a masterclass in the bottling of its subject’s seductive essence.

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[...]

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The third of this book’s four sections – a previously unseen photo diary compiled in the four months leading up to the release of the precocious 19-year-old’s debut album in April 1978 – is not just one but a whole sequence of money shots, a celestial compendium of gender-fluid charisma and goofy schoolboy humour whose many Princepenned captions include the immortal “The wind does great things for one’s hair”.

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No less psycho-sexual fascination is afforded by part two, a bite-sized, apparently off the cuff and almost entirely uncorrected remembrance of Prince’s past which offers way more compelling insights into the author’s own personal and musical development than you’ll find in the average 600-page doorstop.

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The review also confirms that the New Yorker article was in fact the introduction to the book, but an abridged version of it. Apparently the book's full-length version is way more intimate.

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Reply #323 posted 10/23/19 5:40am

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BartVanHemelen said:

Half-page review in the December issue of Mojo.


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Excerpts (spoilerific, of course):


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FOR THOSE too emotionally invested in the prospect of The Beautiful Ones – and all the many ways this project could have gone horribly wrong – to wait ’til the last paragraph for an overall verdict, ‘Posthumous Prince Smorgasbord Snatches Joy From The Jaws Of Despond’ should just about cover it.


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Despite its doomladen provenance [...], The Beautiful Ones rivals Beastie Boys Book – or even your favourite Prince song – as a masterclass in the bottling of its subject’s seductive essence.


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[...]


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The third of this book’s four sections – a previously unseen photo diary compiled in the four months leading up to the release of the precocious 19-year-old’s debut album in April 1978 – is not just one but a whole sequence of money shots, a celestial compendium of gender-fluid charisma and goofy schoolboy humour whose many Princepenned captions include the immortal “The wind does great things for one’s hair”.


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No less psycho-sexual fascination is afforded by part two, a bite-sized, apparently off the cuff and almost entirely uncorrected remembrance of Prince’s past which offers way more compelling insights into the author’s own personal and musical development than you’ll find in the average 600-page doorstop.



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The review also confirms that the New Yorker article was in fact the introduction to the book, but an abridged version of it. Apparently the book's full-length version is way more intimate.


WOW. Thanks for another great tidbit.
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Reply #324 posted 10/24/19 1:57pm

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l'ange bleu - moderator edit:

The following link that has been posted points to an article which includes quotations from the forthcoming book i.e.SPOILER ALERT

Click on the link if you wish to read (and the article is accessible in your region) - quotations deleted accordingly.

The memoir is officially released on 29 October.

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https://radaronline.com/e...his-death/

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Reply #325 posted 10/24/19 5:11pm

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mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said:

l'ange bleu - moderator edit:

The following link that has been posted points to an article which includes quotations from the forthcoming book i.e.SPOILER ALERT

Click on the link if you wish to read (and the article is accessible in your region) - quotations deleted accordingly.

The memoir is officially released on 29 October.

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https://radaronline.com/e...his-death/

Quotations deleted - l'ange bleu - moderator


Oh, didn't realize it was a spoiler 😂 didn't think of it that way
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Reply #326 posted 10/25/19 4:44am

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TwinCities / Pioneer Press review: https://www.twincities.co...y-focused/

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Reply #327 posted 10/25/19 4:46am

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GoodReads.com is gving away five copies: https://www.goodreads.com...tiful-ones

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Reply #328 posted 10/25/19 4:49am

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Tourė said it took him 20 minutes to read the book.

https://twitter.com/toure...48384?s=21

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Reply #329 posted 10/25/19 4:51am

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Launch party for the book in Dordrecht (The Netherlands): https://magazijndordrecht...es-launch/ (there's a better picture of the book here: https://magazijndordrecht...esentatie/ -- looks likethe Dutch edition has lotsa purple...)

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