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Reply #60 posted 08/27/19 8:59am

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RJOrion said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Per Nilsen - the guys from Uptown. It needs an expert!

Spike Lee would just turn it into a political black man vs white man type documentary and you'd lose the whole message of his music which appealed to all creeds, colours and races.

[Snip - luv4u]

Your post has been reported for trolling.

There's nothing stupid about wanting an expert to be behind a documentary on Prince rather than someone who is going to be wanting to use it to score political points. I know as fans we are not used to having experts in charge anymore but still....

[Edited 8/27/19 9:05am]

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Reply #61 posted 08/27/19 1:16pm

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TheFreakerFantastic said:

RJOrion said:

TheFreakerFantastic said: ... [Snip - luv4u]

Your post has been reported for trolling.

There's nothing stupid about wanting an expert to be behind a documentary on Prince rather than someone who is going to be wanting to use it to score political points. I know as fans we are not used to having experts in charge anymore but still....

[Edited 8/27/19 9:05am]

i just reported your post, i didn't have a reason but it's fun.

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Reply #62 posted 08/27/19 3:45pm

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PRNelson said:

In my dreams i would have Duane Tudahl or per Nilsen on board in some kind of advisory role.

Indeed

"You know, this is funky but I wish he'd play like he used to, old scragglyhead son of a...*smack* OOH!"
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Reply #63 posted 08/27/19 3:48pm

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SoulAlive said:

Really? hmmm as I understand it,Spike was always a huge fan.I've never heard about him saying anything negative.

PeteSilas said:

Funny thing was, Spike used to talk shit about Prince when he was young, back when he was against pretty much everything and anything.

He himself said he confronted Prince back in the day about casting mostly non-black girls in his videos.

"You know, this is funky but I wish he'd play like he used to, old scragglyhead son of a...*smack* OOH!"
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Reply #64 posted 08/27/19 4:00pm

PeteSilas

ya, that's right, it's been a long time ago, i can't remember those things, it's been a long time. they weren't buddies in the late 80's. Spike attacked everyone though, eddie, orka, I don't think he ever said anything about MJ but he may have. He thought it was his job to call out everyone, so when he says "i haven't been that guy for 25 years" that's what he means.

AZStreet said:

SoulAlive said:

Really? hmmm as I understand it,Spike was always a huge fan.I've never heard about him saying anything negative.

He himself said he confronted Prince back in the day about casting mostly non-black girls in his videos.

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Reply #65 posted 08/27/19 4:06pm

RJOrion

TheFreakerFantastic said:



RJOrion said:


TheFreakerFantastic said:

Per Nilsen - the guys from Uptown. It needs an expert!



Spike Lee would just turn it into a political black man vs white man type documentary and you'd lose the whole message of his music which appealed to all creeds, colours and races.



... [Snip - luv4u]


Your post has been reported for trolling.


There's nothing stupid about wanting an expert to be behind a documentary on Prince rather than someone who is going to be wanting to use it to score political points. I know as fans we are not used to having experts in charge anymore but still....


[Edited 8/27/19 9:05am]



You say: "your post has been reported for trolling"

^^...Oh my GOD, im SO terrified!!!...should i lock my doors???...should i consult with a lawyer???...should i hide under my bed???...do you actually think i care in the least about what you report, or to whom you report it?...you just proved my point about how you sound...so, im done
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Reply #66 posted 08/27/19 4:18pm

PliablyPurple

Sam Dunn

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Reply #67 posted 08/27/19 4:42pm

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Documentaries are not about “personalities” they are just well researched documents.
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I hate any documentary where the “voice” of the documentarian seeps through.
I hate any documentary that starts with the documentarian telling us about their childhood and the impact of said subject on their life.
Or worse, a lazy montage of 20 people telling us the same thing. That tells us nothing about the subject but just masterbates a runtime in guise of content.
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I want an experienced and respected documentarian and not someone simply hired because he/she is a celebrity friend/fan of Prince.
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Reply #68 posted 08/27/19 4:43pm

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RJOrion said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Your post has been reported for trolling.

There's nothing stupid about wanting an expert to be behind a documentary on Prince rather than someone who is going to be wanting to use it to score political points. I know as fans we are not used to having experts in charge anymore but still....

[Edited 8/27/19 9:05am]

You say: "your post has been reported for trolling" ^^...Oh my GOD, im SO terrified!!!...should i lock my doors???...should i consult with a lawyer???...should i hide under my bed???...do you actually think i care in the least about what you report, or to whom you report it?...you just proved my point about how you sound...so, im done

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Reply #69 posted 08/27/19 4:52pm

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WhisperingDandelions said:



RJOrion said:


TheFreakerFantastic said:



Your post has been reported for trolling.


There's nothing stupid about wanting an expert to be behind a documentary on Prince rather than someone who is going to be wanting to use it to score political points. I know as fans we are not used to having experts in charge anymore but still....



[Edited 8/27/19 9:05am]



You say: "your post has been reported for trolling" ^^...Oh my GOD, im SO terrified!!!...should i lock my doors???...should i consult with a lawyer???...should i hide under my bed???...do you actually think i care in the least about what you report, or to whom you report it?...you just proved my point about how you sound...so, im done

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Reply #70 posted 08/27/19 5:03pm

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TheFreakerFantastic said:

Spike Lee would just turn it into a political black man vs white man type documentary and you'd lose the whole message of his music which appealed to all creeds, colours and races.

Wasn't Prince kinda on that same pro-black tip as Spike in the 90s and 00s for a bit, though? People always focus on his 80s "appeal to all creeds, colours and races," but uh, wasn't that kind of sentiment mostly exclusive to the 80s? Like how he was seemingly cool with homosexuality in the 80s, then post-Jehova era he's looking for Wendy and Lisa to disavow their lifestyle choices.

I got the idea, though, totally based on his intense and constant flip-flops in perspectives, personalities, styles and world-views: multiple directors, Four Rooms/New York Stories/other anthology films style. Like get their directors in there, have them pick an era each, and focus on an era each. Because it's highly doubtful (even just looking at the posts on this site) that one person is going to have a balanced perspective of his entire career trajectory. People, again readily observed on the org, have different eras, sounds and styles they prefer, focus on, and feel are his creative zenith. Multiple directors/segments would help protect against these biases dominating the entire documentary beginning to end.

Find a director who has at least passion for one era, then find one who has passion for another, then another, then you at least have a semblance of a chance of this doc not being 95% Purple Rain iconography.

[Edited 8/27/19 17:05pm]

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Reply #71 posted 08/27/19 7:02pm

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WhisperingDandelions said:



TheFreakerFantastic said:


Spike Lee would just turn it into a political black man vs white man type documentary and you'd lose the whole message of his music which appealed to all creeds, colours and races.




Wasn't Prince kinda on that same pro-black tip as Spike in the 90s and 00s for a bit, though? People always focus on his 80s "appeal to all creeds, colours and races," but uh, wasn't that kind of sentiment mostly exclusive to the 80s? Like how he was seemingly cool with homosexuality in the 80s, then post-Jehova era he's looking for Wendy and Lisa to disavow their lifestyle choices.

I got the idea, though, totally based on his intense and constant flip-flops in perspectives, personalities, styles and world-views: multiple directors, Four Rooms/New York Stories/other anthology films style. Like get their directors in there, have them pick an era each, and focus on an era each. Because it's highly doubtful (even just looking at the posts on this site) that one person is going to have a balanced perspective of his entire career trajectory. People, again readily observed on the org, have different eras, sounds and styles they prefer, focus on, and feel are his creative zenith. Multiple directors/segments would help protect against these biases dominating the entire documentary beginning to end.

Find a director who has at least passion for one era, then find one who has passion for another, then another, then you at least have a semblance of a chance of this doc not being 95% Purple Rain iconography.

[Edited 8/27/19 17:05pm]



Being “pro black” does not mean you don’t “appeal to all creeds, colors and races.”
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Reply #72 posted 08/27/19 7:51pm

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jdcxc said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Wasn't Prince kinda on that same pro-black tip as Spike in the 90s and 00s for a bit, though? People always focus on his 80s "appeal to all creeds, colours and races," but uh, wasn't that kind of sentiment mostly exclusive to the 80s? Like how he was seemingly cool with homosexuality in the 80s, then post-Jehova era he's looking for Wendy and Lisa to disavow their lifestyle choices.

I got the idea, though, totally based on his intense and constant flip-flops in perspectives, personalities, styles and world-views: multiple directors, Four Rooms/New York Stories/other anthology films style. Like get their directors in there, have them pick an era each, and focus on an era each. Because it's highly doubtful (even just looking at the posts on this site) that one person is going to have a balanced perspective of his entire career trajectory. People, again readily observed on the org, have different eras, sounds and styles they prefer, focus on, and feel are his creative zenith. Multiple directors/segments would help protect against these biases dominating the entire documentary beginning to end.

Find a director who has at least passion for one era, then find one who has passion for another, then another, then you at least have a semblance of a chance of this doc not being 95% Purple Rain iconography.

[Edited 8/27/19 17:05pm]

Being “pro black” does not mean you don’t “appeal to all creeds, colors and races.”

The original quote placed emphasis on "the whole message of his music" as the "appeal to all creeds, colors and races," though. Is that a legitimate argument? Was that his message?

But generally I don't like any discussion where we're using Prince's quotes and beliefs as a concrete framework. You can find direct audio reciepts of him claiming he was half-white for goodness sakes.

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Reply #73 posted 08/27/19 10:33pm

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PeteSilas said:



violetcrush said:




tab32792 said:


depends ... is it gonna be his WHOLE life or is it gonna do like most and act like he didn't do anything significant after 1988, skip the 90s go straight to 2004 then his death




Well, that would be just ridiculous to skip the 90's. The 90's, while not the most commercially successful period, were filled with very important pieces of his career trajectory. Excluding that time would be quite irresponsible of any director.



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I like the idea of Scorsese or Ken Burns directing with the assistance of historian experts like Per Nilsen and Duane T to provide the details needed, and recommendations for important interviews. Spike Lee is too much of a fan, and he is not a documentary film maker.



Spike did two Docus that are stellar, A Jim Brown docu and a docu on Hurricane Katrina, either one of those I like over all of his films. In the Brown docu, he did a fine job of showing Brown's warts as well as his virtues and not beating the viewer over the head one way or the other. Brown was abusive to people in his life, Spike doesn't let him off nor does he indict him, he let's people speak and lets the viewer decide....Brown is an abusive bully who does a lot of good things.


Spike is a pro at features and docs and a very good choice to do justice to a Prince doc. I'm sure there are others. Wish Ava D could have done it.
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Reply #74 posted 08/27/19 10:39pm

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jdcxc said:

WhisperingDandelions said:



TheFreakerFantastic said:


Spike Lee would just turn it into a political black man vs white man type documentary and you'd lose the whole message of his music which appealed to all creeds, colours and races.




Wasn't Prince kinda on that same pro-black tip as Spike in the 90s and 00s for a bit, though? People always focus on his 80s "appeal to all creeds, colours and races," but uh, wasn't that kind of sentiment mostly exclusive to the 80s? Like how he was seemingly cool with homosexuality in the 80s, then post-Jehova era he's looking for Wendy and Lisa to disavow their lifestyle choices.

I got the idea, though, totally based on his intense and constant flip-flops in perspectives, personalities, styles and world-views: multiple directors, Four Rooms/New York Stories/other anthology films style. Like get their directors in there, have them pick an era each, and focus on an era each. Because it's highly doubtful (even just looking at the posts on this site) that one person is going to have a balanced perspective of his entire career trajectory. People, again readily observed on the org, have different eras, sounds and styles they prefer, focus on, and feel are his creative zenith. Multiple directors/segments would help protect against these biases dominating the entire documentary beginning to end.

Find a director who has at least passion for one era, then find one who has passion for another, then another, then you at least have a semblance of a chance of this doc not being 95% Purple Rain iconography.

[Edited 8/27/19 17:05pm]



Being “pro black” does not mean you don’t “appeal to all creeds, colors and races.”

Amen.
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Reply #75 posted 08/27/19 11:37pm

JorisE73

I just watched the Vietnam docu series from Ken Burns and that guy is thorough!
He could make a good doc.

The people behind the Dr. Dre/Tommy Iovine - Beats docu series could be great as well.

And after watching Sound City and teh Sonic Highway docu series I think Dave Grohl coukld be great to. Plus he seems like a cool Prince fanboy lol

So for me Ken Burns, Dave Grohl or teh people that did the Dr. Dre/Tommy Iovine - Beats series, or maybe all of them.

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Reply #76 posted 08/28/19 12:12am

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RJOrion said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Your post has been reported for trolling.

There's nothing stupid about wanting an expert to be behind a documentary on Prince rather than someone who is going to be wanting to use it to score political points. I know as fans we are not used to having experts in charge anymore but still....

[Edited 8/27/19 9:05am]

You say: "your post has been reported for trolling" ^^...Oh my GOD, im SO terrified!!!...should i lock my doors???...should i consult with a lawyer???...should i hide under my bed???...do you actually think i care in the least about what you report, or to whom you report it?...you just proved my point about how you sound...so, im done

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Reply #77 posted 08/28/19 12:21am

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WhisperingDandelions said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Spike Lee would just turn it into a political black man vs white man type documentary and you'd lose the whole message of his music which appealed to all creeds, colours and races.

Wasn't Prince kinda on that same pro-black tip as Spike in the 90s and 00s for a bit, though? People always focus on his 80s "appeal to all creeds, colours and races," but uh, wasn't that kind of sentiment mostly exclusive to the 80s? Like how he was seemingly cool with homosexuality in the 80s, then post-Jehova era he's looking for Wendy and Lisa to disavow their lifestyle choices.

I got the idea, though, totally based on his intense and constant flip-flops in perspectives, personalities, styles and world-views: multiple directors, Four Rooms/New York Stories/other anthology films style. Like get their directors in there, have them pick an era each, and focus on an era each. Because it's highly doubtful (even just looking at the posts on this site) that one person is going to have a balanced perspective of his entire career trajectory. People, again readily observed on the org, have different eras, sounds and styles they prefer, focus on, and feel are his creative zenith. Multiple directors/segments would help protect against these biases dominating the entire documentary beginning to end.

Find a director who has at least passion for one era, then find one who has passion for another, then another, then you at least have a semblance of a chance of this doc not being 95% Purple Rain iconography.

[Edited 8/27/19 17:05pm]

That sounds like a licence for a confusing mess! People using their own interpretations of his life rather than focusing on established facts!

I think his sentiment was universal not just to the 80s, yes he may have said different things in later in life but things but we can't ignore that is what Prince was saying when he was such an innovator and at the height of his career!

[Edited 8/28/19 0:22am]

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Reply #78 posted 08/28/19 3:01am

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Spike Lee !

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Reply #79 posted 08/28/19 4:27am

jdcxc

WhisperingDandelions said:



jdcxc said:


WhisperingDandelions said:



Wasn't Prince kinda on that same pro-black tip as Spike in the 90s and 00s for a bit, though? People always focus on his 80s "appeal to all creeds, colours and races," but uh, wasn't that kind of sentiment mostly exclusive to the 80s? Like how he was seemingly cool with homosexuality in the 80s, then post-Jehova era he's looking for Wendy and Lisa to disavow their lifestyle choices.

I got the idea, though, totally based on his intense and constant flip-flops in perspectives, personalities, styles and world-views: multiple directors, Four Rooms/New York Stories/other anthology films style. Like get their directors in there, have them pick an era each, and focus on an era each. Because it's highly doubtful (even just looking at the posts on this site) that one person is going to have a balanced perspective of his entire career trajectory. People, again readily observed on the org, have different eras, sounds and styles they prefer, focus on, and feel are his creative zenith. Multiple directors/segments would help protect against these biases dominating the entire documentary beginning to end.

Find a director who has at least passion for one era, then find one who has passion for another, then another, then you at least have a semblance of a chance of this doc not being 95% Purple Rain iconography.


[Edited 8/27/19 17:05pm]



Being “pro black” does not mean you don’t “appeal to all creeds, colors and races.”

The original quote placed emphasis on "the whole message of his music" as the "appeal to all creeds, colors and races," though. Is that a legitimate argument? Was that his message?

But generally I don't like any discussion where we're using Prince's quotes and beliefs as a concrete framework. You can find direct audio reciepts of him claiming he was half-white for goodness sakes.



Prince (like most Black ppl) knew very well the complexity of Race in America...btw have you seen his parents?
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Reply #80 posted 08/28/19 12:00pm

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David Duchovny

intersting....hes a fan ..and does great tv shows.....x files/ californication / aquarius.....but is he a director??

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Reply #81 posted 08/28/19 12:50pm

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PeteSilas said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Your post has been reported for trolling.

There's nothing stupid about wanting an expert to be behind a documentary on Prince rather than someone who is going to be wanting to use it to score political points. I know as fans we are not used to having experts in charge anymore but still....


i just reported your post, i didn't have a reason but it's fun.


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Reply #82 posted 08/28/19 12:53pm

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PeteSilas said:

Spike did two Docus that are stellar, A Jim Brown docu and a docu on Hurricane Katrina, either one of those I like over all of his films. In the Brown docu, he did a fine job of showing Brown's warts as well as his virtues and not beating the viewer over the head one way or the other. Brown was abusive to people in his life, Spike doesn't let him off nor does he indict him, he let's people speak and lets the viewer decide....Brown is an abusive bully who does a lot of good things.


Spike is a pro at features and docs and a very good choice to do justice to a Prince doc. I'm sure there are others. Wish Ava D could have done it.


Agree. I would like to see both a Lee and a Duvernay doc - why not?

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Reply #83 posted 08/28/19 4:52pm

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PeteSilas said:

CynicKill said:

Strangely I could see this working.

Ken Burns is thorough.

ken is good but what you guys might be missing is that a documentarian usually has a passion and an interest in his subject, without that, what do we have. Ken may or may not know one thing about Prince, do you want someone who has none of the knowledge that even us fans have garnered over 30+ years trying to make a docu? It doesn't have to be bad but.., I know as a fan of boxing that when someone who doesn't know boxing writes a bio it usually is loaded with mistakes and misperceptions from a sports perspective although it may be informative on a person's life. Little thing maybe but it does bother me when someone calls a left hook a right hook etc..,

Ken Burns work with a staff researching endlessly, and I hear his jazz documentary is amazing. I know also he is a huge Star Wars fan... somewhere in between Star Wars and Jazz is Prince wink

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Reply #84 posted 08/28/19 7:24pm

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ufoclub said:



PeteSilas said:




CynicKill said:



Strangely I could see this working.


Ken Burns is thorough.





ken is good but what you guys might be missing is that a documentarian usually has a passion and an interest in his subject, without that, what do we have. Ken may or may not know one thing about Prince, do you want someone who has none of the knowledge that even us fans have garnered over 30+ years trying to make a docu? It doesn't have to be bad but.., I know as a fan of boxing that when someone who doesn't know boxing writes a bio it usually is loaded with mistakes and misperceptions from a sports perspective although it may be informative on a person's life. Little thing maybe but it does bother me when someone calls a left hook a right hook etc..,




Ken Burns work with a staff researching endlessly, and I hear his jazz documentary is amazing. I know also he is a huge Star Wars fan... somewhere in between Star Wars and Jazz is Prince wink


Good choice. He’s an expert docu filmmaker who would be an objective lead on the project. I’m sure he would also bring in the right people to assist him with the history, music, events, etc. as well.
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Reply #85 posted 08/29/19 7:55am

poppys

ufoclub said:

PeteSilas said:

ken is good but what you guys might be missing is that a documentarian usually has a passion and an interest in his subject, without that, what do we have. Ken may or may not know one thing about Prince, do you want someone who has none of the knowledge that even us fans have garnered over 30+ years trying to make a docu? It doesn't have to be bad but.., I know as a fan of boxing that when someone who doesn't know boxing writes a bio it usually is loaded with mistakes and misperceptions from a sports perspective although it may be informative on a person's life. Little thing maybe but it does bother me when someone calls a left hook a right hook etc..,

Ken Burns work with a staff researching endlessly, and I hear his jazz documentary is amazing. I know also he is a huge Star Wars fan... somewhere in between Star Wars and Jazz is Prince wink


I thought of him too. But his jazz doc was not amazing imo. Left out too many key people, especially of color.

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Reply #86 posted 08/29/19 9:51am

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poppys said:

ufoclub said:

Ken Burns work with a staff researching endlessly, and I hear his jazz documentary is amazing. I know also he is a huge Star Wars fan... somewhere in between Star Wars and Jazz is Prince wink


I thought of him too. But his jazz doc was not amazing imo. Left out too many key people, especially of color.

That's because his heaert was truly with Louis Armstrong.

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Reply #87 posted 08/29/19 10:13am

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poppys said:


I thought of him too. But his jazz doc was not amazing imo. Left out too many key people, especially of color.


That's because his heart was truly with Louis Armstrong.


Louis Armstrong is not my beef - of course he's a giant.

It's like Burns made a documentary about jazz without ever going to the birthplace of jazz - left out key historical musicians of color who invented it. He needed better researchers, or just stick to baseball. Thumbs down.

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Reply #88 posted 08/29/19 10:30am

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poppys said:

CynicKill said:


That's because his heart was truly with Louis Armstrong.


Louis Armstrong is not my beef - of course he's a giant.

It's like Burns made a documentary about jazz without ever going to the birthplace of jazz - left out key historical musicians of color who invented it. He needed better researchers, or just stick to baseball. Thumbs down.

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I blame it on the scope of the subject.

It's like he really would've put out great single subject docs on Armstrong, Benny Goodman or Duke Ellington if he chose to.

I thought it came out great but I've heard the same criticisms you made when it came out.

His "Country Music" is coming out next month, and given the scope of THAT subject, I'm almost certain the same issues will arise.

Unless they tweak their formula.

Of course we'll all be watching.

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Reply #89 posted 08/29/19 10:45am

poppys

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poppys said:


Louis Armstrong is not my beef - of course he's a giant.

It's like Burns made a documentary about jazz without ever going to the birthplace of jazz - left out key historical musicians of color who invented it. He needed better researchers, or just stick to baseball. Thumbs down.


I blame it on the scope of the subject.

It's like he really would've put out great single subject docs on Armstrong, Benny Goodman or Duke Ellington if he chose to.

I thought it came out great but I've heard the same criticisms you made when it came out.

His "Country Music" is coming out next month, and given the scope of THAT subject, I'm almost certain the same issues will arise.

Unless they tweak their formula.

Of course we'll all be watching.


Scope or no scope, begin at the beginnng. Burns dropped the ball on the subject, despite his status and all the fanfare. Get better input from the actual source of jazz, or don't bother. I won't be running to his country music doc either. growl.


edit - I will watch it, lol. That Dolly footage looks great.

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