Hate to bring this topic up but it was on my mind and I'm curious what people think.

What seperates Prince from other 30 year old men who groom 16, 17 year old girls? Anna Fantastic, even Mayte, Prince met these girls when they were super young. And even though (as far as we know) he didn't have any sexual relations with them until they were of legal age, isn't just talking to them and dating them considered grooming?

And if it you think they were geniune relationships that Prince formed and just happen to like when they were 18, how exactly does that differentiate from other grooming behavior?

I notice many stars have done this. Bowie, Steven Tyler, and more recently Drake. I still like all of their music but I just can't look at them the same anymore.

AvocadosMax said:

Shockadelica9 said:

AvocadosMax said:

Hate to bring this topic up but it was on my mind and I'm curious what people think.

What seperates Prince from other 30 year old men who groom 16, 17 year old girls? Anna Fantastic, even Mayte, Prince met these girls when they were super young. And even though (as far as we know) he didn't have any sexual relations with them until they were of legal age, isn't just talking to them and dating them considered grooming?

And if it you think they were geniune relationships that Prince formed and just happen to like when they were 18, how exactly does that differentiate from other grooming behavior?

I notice many stars have done this. Bowie, Steven Tyler, and more recently Drake. I still like all of their music but I just can't look at them the same anymore.

NOPE

i see the org doesn't take well any criticism of his character

AvocadosMax said:

Mayte's book is very clear on how their relationship developed and what the timeline was.

Anna is active on Twitter and answers questions often.

Their accounts of their time with Prince would be the truth, if you ask me. Anything else is speculation.

Every female who worked with Prince professionally, regardless of age, seems to speak highly of his respect for female artists, maybe with the exception of Sinead O'Connor. And her story is one of anger, not sexuality.

Shockadelica9 said:

AvocadosMax said:

i see the org doesn't take well any criticism of his character

What is there to discuss?? Mayte has written about their relationship and Anna has talked about their relationship in interview's...oh and I'm great friends with Anna by the way. Non of them have said they were groomed or abused, this topic has been discussed a million times on this forum so.. Lock it goes [Edited 8/21/19 10:38am]

suure.

Many women don't even know they're being groomed. They many not feel it was grooming due to their emotional loyalty to Prince, but that doesn't mean it wasn't grooming. Because on a technicality level, it was

then tell me what makes what Prince did not grooming

Some of you stans are so close-minded when it comes to these type of conversations. Doesn't mean I hate Prince. It means I 'm questioning suspicious behavior that seems to be a pattern amongst male super stars

Prince may not have even intended to groom anybody, but just on a technical standpoint, that's what he did since they were 16 or so when he started forming relationships with these young girls

AvocadosMax said:

Shockadelica9 said:

AvocadosMax said:

then tell me what makes what Prince did not grooming

Some of you stans are so close-minded when it comes to these type of conversations. Doesn't mean I hate Prince. It means I 'm questioning suspicious behavior that seems to be a pattern amongst male super stars

You're comparing p to Artists like David bowie and steven tyler who both allegedly had sex with girls who were 14 and 15! P waited to have sex with mayte when she was 19 1/2 and anna was 18...huge difference

still considered grooming! he was talking to them and growing their trust and loyalty. I'm not saying he intended on it that way, but that's just what it is. Even tho he was never involved in a legit scandal, he should have stuck with the 20+ year olds.

TheTruth123 said:

This isn’t that unique in the world of music. Prince said openly in an interview (with a smile he could hardly hide😀) that he liked female singers, and he said why. For as much as he could be a man, he could also be a boy at times. In some ways I think he stayed in that frame of mind sometimes. So essentially in many ways these girls were his equals, socially. He talked about this in that song to Mayte, that how do people know that she doesn’t know what love is? He would find young women who were more mature in certain ways, who didn’t use drugs or drink a lot to stunt their emotional growth.

Yeah but he was in his late 20s/30s. That would make a lot more sense to someone who is late teens/early twenties. Though I guess living life as a star messes you up mentally

AvocadosMax said:

AvocadosMax said:

TheTruth123 said:

This isn’t that unique in the world of music. Prince said openly in an interview (with a smile he could hardly hide😀) that he liked female singers, and he said why. For as much as he could be a man, he could also be a boy at times. In some ways I think he stayed in that frame of mind sometimes. So essentially in many ways these girls were his equals, socially. He talked about this in that song to Mayte, that how do people know that she doesn’t know what love is? He would find young women who were more mature in certain ways, who didn’t use drugs or drink a lot to stunt their emotional growth.

Yeah but he was in his late 20s/30s. That would make a lot more sense to someone who is late teens/early twenties. Though I guess living life as a star messes you up mentally

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Of course, he did. What else do you call it when a person houses an underage non-relative, tells them what clothes and make-up to wear, how to wear their hair, and controls every aspect of their life? He might not have had sex with them until they were of age, but there is absolutely no question that everything he did with them was in anticipation of that. That is grooming.

Were all of his relationships like that? No. But enough of them were. And I still think any teenager's parent(s) who condoned that sort of thing had rocks in their head.

Probably, but who cares?

Genesia said:

Of course, he did. What else do you call it when a person houses an underage non-relative, tells them what clothes and make-up to wear, how to wear their hair, and controls every aspect of their life? He might not have had sex with them until they were of age, but there is absolutely no question that everything he did with them was in anticipation of that. That is grooming.

Were all of his relationships like that? No. But enough of them were. And I still think any teenager's parent(s) who condoned that sort of thing had rocks in their head.

Rev said:

Genesia said:

Of course, he did. What else do you call it when a person houses an underage non-relative, tells them what clothes and make-up to wear, how to wear their hair, and controls every aspect of their life? He might not have had sex with them until they were of age, but there is absolutely no question that everything he did with them was in anticipation of that. That is grooming.

Were all of his relationships like that? No. But enough of them were. And I still think any teenager's parent(s) who condoned that sort of thing had rocks in their head.

I agree.

"grooming" is when an adult establishes a friendship with a child for the purposes of having relations WHILE THEY ARE STILL MINORS.

Perhaps Prince's friendships with teens was creepy, wierd, gross, inappropriate but from all accounts of the women in question he went out of his way to avoid contact till they were adults. I know some even think a relationship with an 18 year old is wrong, its not illegal and in another time was somewhat normal.

It wasnt "Grooming".

AvocadosMax said:

Shockadelica9 said:

AvocadosMax said: You're comparing p to Artists like David bowie and steven tyler who both allegedly had sex with girls who were 14 and 15! P waited to have sex with mayte when she was 19 1/2 and anna was 18...huge difference

still considered grooming! he was talking to them and growing their trust and loyalty. I'm not saying he intended on it that way, but that's just what it is. Even tho he was never involved in a legit scandal, he should have stuck with the 20+ year olds.

Stop being a phony. You've been given many anwsers about your supposed "question" you posed. And you continually fight for a stance that he did groom them. So why did you make the post? You want to state you feel he groomed the, then say that. You created this alias assed name to do shit like this. It aint hard to tell, what with all the themed post you've created. Troll.

Yet, Prince controlled all the guys wadrobe, make-up, how they wear their hair, what they did in his presence and when he wasn't around. Prince wanted to control his brand and product. That is his first goal whether girl or boy. Yet other than Tevin Campbell, he didn't work with male minors post PR area. There is a little cross over with his control of his brand and groom like behavior. But Prince's behavior is consistent whether they are 16, 20 or 27 (minus any sex for under 18). Meaning, if he indeed is truly grooming, his behavior with the underage gals would be different, no? So, it appears since he treats them the same no matter the age via his control issues (minus sex) it wouldn't fit the complete definition of grooming.

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emesem said:

"grooming" is when an adult establishes a friendship with a child for the purposes of having relations WHILE THEY ARE STILL MINORS.

Perhaps Prince's friendships with teens was creepy, wierd, gross, inappropriate but from all accounts of the women in question he went out of his way to avoid contact till they were adults. I know some even think a relationship with an 18 year old is wrong, its not illegal and in another time was somewhat normal.

It wasnt "Grooming".

For fuck's sake, I had a considerably older boy friend when I had just turned 18...and that was eons ago. This is getting ridiculous.

Mikado said:

Probably, but who cares?

not me, i wish i could do that shit.