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Reply #90 posted 08/26/19 1:04pm

Strive

TwiliteKid said:


2Y2D is about Andy Allo, dipshit.



"Talks about the top as if she's always been there
A member of the "chosen few rarified heirs"

That's about Andy Allo? She's a member of the chosen few and a rarified heir?

Yeah, it's not too fun to think about, but Mayte was 16, Anna Fantastic was 16 and Willow was 15 when he really started to go heavy. He had a MO of creating platonic relationships with teenage girls and waiting until they turned 18 before moving the relationship in a sexual direction.

That's not illegal, it's technically not pedo, but it's definitely a scandalous thing that would sink his legacy if it ever became widespread public knowledge.
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Reply #91 posted 08/26/19 1:22pm

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Strive said:

TwiliteKid said:

2Y2D is about Andy Allo, dipshit.

"Talks about the top as if she's always been there A member of the "chosen few rarified heirs" That's about Andy Allo? She's a member of the chosen few and a rarified heir? Yeah, it's not too fun to think about, but Mayte was 16, Anna Fantastic was 16 and Willow was 15 when he really started to go heavy. He had a MO of creating platonic relationships with teenage girls and waiting until they turned 18 before moving the relationship in a sexual direction. That's not illegal, it's technically not pedo, but it's definitely a scandalous thing that would sink his legacy if it ever became widespread public knowledge. [Edited 8/26/19 13:17pm]

lol.......why would this be the focal point or "theme" in a film or documentary about someone with as interesting existence as Prince? Stop it.

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Reply #92 posted 08/26/19 1:25pm

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Strive said:

TwiliteKid said:

2Y2D is about Andy Allo, dipshit.

"Talks about the top as if she's always been there A member of the "chosen few rarified heirs" That's about Andy Allo? She's a member of the chosen few and a rarified heir? Yeah, it's not too fun to think about, but Mayte was 16, Anna Fantastic was 16 and Willow was 15 when he really started to go heavy. He had a MO of creating platonic relationships with teenage girls and waiting until they turned 18 before moving the relationship in a sexual direction. That's not illegal, it's technically not pedo, but it's definitely a scandalous thing that would sink his legacy if it ever became widespread public knowledge. [Edited 8/26/19 13:17pm]

You have trouble with reading comprehension, huh? He's saying that she's ambitious and thinks of herself as destined to make it big.

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Reply #93 posted 08/27/19 3:25pm

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drfunkentstein said:

EXACTLY. Listen sure deadlines are important but this is Netflix we're talking about. They give pretty wide creative latitude. I might be wrong and yes it is just "speculation" but I believe there was some narrative in there about something that Prince estate would not allow the public to see. Hell it might not have evenbeen about Prince but someone in his orbit who was shady AF who they want to protect. I mean we know he was a man of mystery BUT WHAT OTHER MUSICAN/ARTIST/ICON (except maybe nataly wood) has died and we STILL don't know the exact events that lead up to his death other than that he came in contact with fentanyl. We know Kirk has plead the 5th WAYYYYYY too many times for this to be anything other than some shady shady shit. Hell even with MJ within hours we knew the timeline of what exactly went down. Now I am not saying it is about his death. Maybe Ava wanted to include some segment about his time with denise or anna fantastic or mayte and maybe she took an unvarnished look at the fact that he may have behaved innapropriately with these girls. Or not. Who knows? All I know is that AVa duvernay when she takes on a creative venture she does NOT mess around and shines light EVERYWHERE and reveals all about her subjects good and bad. And imho The Prince Estate IS NOT the kind of group of people to be open about anything. That's why I mentioned the 50s. Even Prince, with the death of his son, god rest soul, chose to BURY BURY BURY and not talk about in a very old school, and imo unhealthy. I suspect his sisters and others in the estate share this worldview. Ava does not. We know that. That is why she was fired. They might share many of the same viewpoints, but in terms of either obscuring the facts or airing them out, I believe the estate and Ava were diamterically opposed.

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You made some great points but was it necessary to say this?

beatdeadhorse trolls trolls trolls rolleyes

[Edited 8/26/19 6:13am]

I actually agree w you. I don't think his interactions with women in his life were anything but completely respectful, and even perhaps admiration in awe of them and their power. However the only point I was trying to make was that maybe Ava interviewed some people who might've thought even though everything was fine, maybe it wasn't cool to take Anna Fantastic or Mayte on the road/into his home where they were a bit limited in terms of freedom/a normal life. I do not think he was innaprppriate that was perhaps the wrong word choice maybe just…… a little unaware because he spent almost all of his life as an icon that just pulling people into your orbit when they are "normal folk" can be kinda perilous if they are not prepared. And maybe Ava wanted to explore that. But there is no way the Pricne estate would let even that fly.

[Edited 8/27/19 15:27pm]

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Reply #94 posted 08/27/19 3:34pm

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Also to MAKE IT CLEAR I DID NOT I repeat DID NOT intend to introduce a narrative to this form that Prince was IN ANY WAY predatory towards anyone ESEPCIALLY underage girls. His respect for women is something I have never seen another man have and I regret people interpreted it that way When I said innapropriate I meant to imply perhaps he was neglectful, emotionally distant, short tempered or something of that nature WITHIN those consensual relationships with the women I mentioned (Denise, Mayte, Anna Fantastic) I felt THAT was what the estate did not want to show. That Prince could, in fact, be human i.e. selfish, kinda petty, and not all that pleasant all the time (just like the rest of us btw) I WAS NEVER IMPLYING SEXUALLY INNAPROPRIATE BEHAVIOUR and some people who are suggesting he was after willow smith are out of it. Prince had a lot of problems/secrets. I am sure of it. That was not one of them.

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Reply #95 posted 08/28/19 3:59am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

willie said:

now that ava is out......why not spike lee?

I think he would put too much of his spin on it.

I would want someone who just presents the 'information' timeline etc with vids images, music, movie cuts, outtakes etc

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Reply #96 posted 08/28/19 5:50am

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Spike Lee is the only answer, if he is willing to do it.

(Insert something clever here)
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Reply #97 posted 08/28/19 12:59pm

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Los Angeles Times, August 19, 2019 . Ava DuVernay:

“I like to surprise,” DuVernay says, avoiding specifics. She does note she’s no longer working on Netflix’s multipart Prince documentary, saying she had “creative differences” with the company after working for a year on the project. “It just didn’t work out,” she says. “There’s a lot of beautiful material there. I wish them well.”

Sounds like she had differences with Netflix? I thought it could have issues with the Estate. She seems very over-extended as well.

[Edited 8/28/19 13:03pm]

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Reply #98 posted 08/28/19 1:40pm

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DarkKnight1 said:

Spike Lee is the only answer, if he is willing to do it.

Or Steve McQueen? Thoughtful director, big Prince fan.

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Reply #99 posted 08/28/19 2:40pm

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fen said:

DarkKnight1 said:

Spike Lee is the only answer, if he is willing to do it.

Or Steve McQueen? Thoughtful director, big Prince fan.

Image result for steve mcqueen gif

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Reply #100 posted 08/30/19 2:53am

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TBH Ava Duvernay tendency to explore her own ideas made this interesting to me. I'd rather watch someone else's creative works over another dull "respectful" lining up of the usual platitudes and oversimplifications.

This is the guy who made a film as insane as Purple Rain a huge hit, hardly a film made by focus groups and algorithms. If you want to show respect to his artistry then let someone go wild, and if it ends up sucking well it might at least suck in an interesting way.

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Reply #101 posted 08/30/19 8:43am

PeggyO

jaawwnn said:

TBH Ava Duvernay tendency to explore her own ideas made this interesting to me. I'd rather watch someone else's creative works over another dull "respectful" lining up of the usual platitudes and oversimplifications.

This is the guy who made a film as insane as Purple Rain a huge hit, hardly a film made by focus groups and algorithms. If you want to show respect to his artistry then let someone go wild, and if it ends up sucking well it might at least suck in an interesting way.

Yeah, the passion for our guy needs to shine through.

Wonder if there are any org. filmakers/documentarians?

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Reply #102 posted 08/30/19 10:39am

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PeggyO said:




There was a 'white-wash' of Freddy Mercury in Bohemian Rhapsody. I think P's Estate and many of his fans are demanding the Disney version of Prince; anything less causes backlash.Perhaps Ava wanted to explore the more fully fleshed-out man. That is a no-no with the Estate and a great segment of Prince's fans.







drfunkentstein said:




Goddess4Real said:




yeahthat hmmm



EXACTLY. Listen sure deadlines are important but this is Netflix we're talking about. They give pretty wide creative latitude. I might be wrong and yes it is just "speculation" but I believe there was some narrative in there about something that Prince estate would not allow the public to see. Hell it might not have evenbeen about Prince but someone in his orbit who was shady AF who they want to protect. I mean we know he was a man of mystery BUT WHAT OTHER MUSICAN/ARTIST/ICON (except maybe nataly wood) has died and we STILL don't know the exact events that lead up to his death other than that he came in contact with fentanyl. We know Kirk has plead the 5th WAYYYYY too many times for this to be anything other than some shady shady shit. Hell even with MJ within hours we knew the timeline of what exactly went down. Now I am not saying it is about his death. Maybe Ava wanted to include some segment about his time with denise or anna fantastic or mayte and maybe she took an unvarnished look at the fact that he may have behaved innapropriately with these girls. Or not. Who knows? All I know is that AVa duvernay when she takes on a creative venture she does NOT mess around and shines light EVERYWHERE and reveals all about her subjects good and bad. And imho The Prince Estate IS NOT the kind of group of people to be open about anything. That's why I mentioned the 50s. Even Prince, with the death of his son, god rest soul, chose to BURY BURY BURY and not talk about in a very old school, and imo unhealthy. I suspect his sisters and others in the estate share this worldview. Ava does not. We know that. That is why she was fired. They might share many of the same viewpoints, but in terms of either obscuring the facts or airing them out, I believe the estate and Ava were diamterically opposed.


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I totally agree Peggy.
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Reply #103 posted 08/30/19 9:16pm

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Something is wrong with this narrative.
We need to figure it out
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Reply #104 posted 08/31/19 5:54am

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Praise Jeebus!! Cancel it altogether and put together a 3 season arc for a Purple Rain TV show. Promote Prince songs GLEE-style and use his original bandmembers where possible. No need trying to figure Prince out through a documentary. Nothing good ever comes from those things. See the Whitney Bio, though in her case it may have been necessary to go there. I'd cancel Prince autobiography too, if I could and save it for like 20 years from now. His image as is, doesn't need it.

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Reply #105 posted 08/31/19 6:58am

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lol Dear god, save us all from Glee influence re Prince's music. rolleyes

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Reply #106 posted 08/31/19 7:11am

funksterr

Mumio said:

lol Dear god, save us all from Glee influence re Prince's music. rolleyes

[Edited 8/31/19 6:58am]

It's better than them trying to polish up demos. Have you seen The Beatles back-catalog long form commercial known as the movie "Yesterday"? biggrin biggrin I went to see it and I thought they did the covers with integrity.

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Reply #107 posted 09/03/19 5:09am

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Mumio said:

lol Dear god, save us all from Glee influence re Prince's music. rolleyes

[Edited 8/31/19 6:58am]



I tend to agree. Glee puts a plastic glossy fake smile gross sheen on everything. It works on some songs, but it feels like the antithesis of Prince music in general.
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Reply #108 posted 09/03/19 8:14am

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I've only seen 13th by Duvernay and I thought that was hit and miss, so not too disappointed she's jumped ship. One plus of having her on board was that she might have given it an 'angle', which I think would benefit a documentary like this. Even some kind of 'woke' angle, though not my cup of tea, might not have been so far off of an aspect of P's own way of thinking, in his later years (see the recent Dan Piepenbring article), so could well have brought out that side of who he was.

It would be good if it were that reflected a clear vision, even if that splits opinion, rather than just one of these standard issue music docs in which famous people babble on hyperbolically about someone's music in a way that doesn't really get you any closer to the music itself, or the person and their motivations. A good example is the (fairly) recent Classic Albums documentary about Amy Winehouse's Back to Black album, which seemed to me to give a really interesting insight into the creative process, rather than just some bunch of talking heads telling us how Amy was 'singing from her soul' or whatever.

Who knows, though? Maybe they'll track down the Live at the Aladdin director and give her the gig. With Josh doing the sound. evillol

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Reply #109 posted 09/03/19 8:19am

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jaawwnn said:

TBH Ava Duvernay tendency to explore her own ideas made this interesting to me. I'd rather watch someone else's creative works over another dull "respectful" lining up of the usual platitudes and oversimplifications.

This is the guy who made a film as insane as Purple Rain a huge hit, hardly a film made by focus groups and algorithms. If you want to show respect to his artistry then let someone go wild, and if it ends up sucking well it might at least suck in an interesting way.

Ditto that. I said more or less the same thing in my reply, before I saw this post.

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Reply #110 posted 09/03/19 8:28am

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deebee said:

jaawwnn said:

TBH Ava Duvernay tendency to explore her own ideas made this interesting to me. I'd rather watch someone else's creative works over another dull "respectful" lining up of the usual platitudes and oversimplifications.

This is the guy who made a film as insane as Purple Rain a huge hit, hardly a film made by focus groups and algorithms. If you want to show respect to his artistry then let someone go wild, and if it ends up sucking well it might at least suck in an interesting way.

Ditto that. I said more or less the same thing in my reply, before I saw this post.

Ditto #2

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