skywalker said:

Here's my quick take:

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Prince neglected his recorded legacy in many ways. He wasn't that interested in revisiting/remastering/re-releasing past eras of his career. I am cool with it. It's his choice as an artist. However, as a fan, it was always a bit of a letdown that he didn't (for example) think that albums like 1999, Purple Rain, or SOTT were worthy of expansive/comprehensive reissues and promotion. Hell, it's almost criminal the way he just let albums like The Gold Experience lapse into being obscure/out of print/hard to find status.

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I guess what I am getting at is this: Regardless of what Prince would/wouldn't have done, I think the estate is doing a BETTER JOB than he EVER did at taking care of his back catalog. The fact that projects like Rave In2/Un2 are even being rereleased (albeit with out bonus content), is heartening to this fan. Especially considering Prince didn't have a long term, organized, plan for the future...

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Well, I agree 100% that Prince had disdain for his best material. But despite getting something is better than nothing, Piano & A Short 34 min cd is right up there with Prince releasing 3 CD worth of material over 5 Discs with Crystal Ball, which of course, was one mistep after another. Until I have my hands on 30 discs of the best material covering 1976-2015, I won't really be happy, but one album a year with shoddy choices won't really make me content either...but Originals is a step in the right direction.

I'd ideally like to see a kind of 'Dream Factory Sessions' release. I'm not talking about a reconstruction of that album, but rather unreleased songs from that period, e.g. In A Large Room With No Light, Wintness 4 The Prosecution, Go, etc. It was such a creative and prolific period, it seems like such a no-brainer. So many great songs just languishing. How about it Mr Michael Howe? Preferably while I'm still able to listen to it without needing a hearing aid.

massing said:

I'd ideally like to see a kind of 'Dream Factory Sessions' release. I'm not talking about a reconstruction of that album, but rather unreleased songs from that period, e.g. In A Large Room With No Light, Wintness 4 The Prosecution, Go, etc. It was such a creative and prolific period, it seems like such a no-brainer. So many great songs just languishing. How about it Mr Michael Howe? Preferably while I'm still able to listen to it without needing a hearing aid.

Well, it is a NO-BRAINER, 1982-1987 was his richest period in the studio, particulary the songs that ended up on SOTT/Dream Factory/Crystal Ball...but if those in charge have no brains, we may as well get my silly joke and wind up with a recording of every time Shelby shouted "Put Your Hands Up." 1987 Prince never would've let that happen. I heard some fan actually counted on one of the W2A bootlegs, and counted over 100 times. Despite some awesome moments in those shows, 100 Times? Self-Parody?

But we are dealing with people who have no care for Prince's legacy, no care for the Vault, and no idea a cd can hold 79 minutes of music. Expect more 34 minute releases like Piano...but as I have said, Originals at least gives promise somebody has some smarts...but let's see how long that lasts. As far as no brainer songs to be released:

Old Friends 4 Sale(Original)

Witness 4 The Prosecution

Empty Room

Rebirth Of The Flesh

In A Large Room With No Light

There's Others Here With Us

Adonis And Bathsheba

Joy In Repetition(Original Linn Drum Intro)

Extra Loveable(1983 Version with or without sick lyrics, I don't care)

Purple Music

Possessed(common version we all love, not the ok one on PR Deluxe)

The Dance Electric(version with guitar solo)

Train

Data Bank

Turn It Up

Wally

And of course many more...

FRom the Info i have from some1 well informed working in the Musical industry.....1999 Deluxe is an opportunity to release something much more substantial than PR Deluxe was.... there are a lot of song fully unreleased & unknown by the most hardcore fans & Big collectors....not only 3 or 4 songs unknown but much much more than that...unfortunately i have no more details to share because this contact can't share more than this...but i can assure u because i trust him....there is a lot unknown studio material in the Vault than what we can suppose....The Vault site for example is far away to report what is in the Vault (Studio Work)!!

Take this 4 what it is .....!

i would like to see rereleases of older albums in a deluxe format like Purple Rain. So as to include remix's and extended versions etc - some of such versions are/were only released on vinyl.

JoeyCococo said:

Yoo much nastiness here (Databank) for people who share such a deep love for this man's work. Ww all want something out of the vault. I personally want to hear expanded collections of each album plus a disc full of songs from the album or period that he shelved. I do like The Originals idea assuming there will be more. I do not get why they would choose Make Up when greater tracks were available (If I Love U Tonight). However, any Prince fans know that in life he often did things many of us felt frustrated about. I am just ecstatic that Baby You're A Trip is on with all that super screaming!! I have always loved Wouldn't You Love 2 Love me (hoping for the earlier pre 1986/1987 version like on Taja's album. This will be great and we have to e happy that there are releases happening. I would love to hear them release newer music in parallel.

Not sure why I'm being targeted here of all people, since I've always spoke of Mr. Howe and the Estate in much more civil terms than many others.

Because I have such a deep love for the man's work is the reason why I wish his past work was treated with a little more respect and care. It may happen, though, let's already see what this collection sounds like.

....PLEASEEEE!!

love2thenines2003 said:

FRom the Info i have from some1 well informed working in the Musical industry.....1999 Deluxe is an opportunity to release something much more substantial than PR Deluxe was.... there are a lot of song fully unreleased & unknown by the most hardcore fans & Big collectors....not only 3 or 4 songs unknown but much much more than that...unfortunately i have no more details to share because this contact can't share more than this...but i can assure u because i trust him....there is a lot unknown studio material in the Vault than what we can suppose....The Vault site for example is far away to report what is in the Vault (Studio Work)!!

Take this 4 what it is .....!

stillwaiting said:

massing said:

I'd ideally like to see a kind of 'Dream Factory Sessions' release. I'm not talking about a reconstruction of that album, but rather unreleased songs from that period, e.g. In A Large Room With No Light, Wintness 4 The Prosecution, Go, etc. It was such a creative and prolific period, it seems like such a no-brainer. So many great songs just languishing. How about it Mr Michael Howe? Preferably while I'm still able to listen to it without needing a hearing aid.

Well, it is a NO-BRAINER, 1982-1987 was his richest period in the studio, particulary the songs that ended up on SOTT/Dream Factory/Crystal Ball...but if those in charge have no brains, we may as well get my silly joke and wind up with a recording of every time Shelby shouted "Put Your Hands Up." 1987 Prince never would've let that happen. I heard some fan actually counted on one of the W2A bootlegs, and counted over 100 times. Despite some awesome moments in those shows, 100 Times? Self-Parody?

But we are dealing with people who have no care for Prince's legacy, no care for the Vault, and no idea a cd can hold 79 minutes of music. Expect more 34 minute releases like Piano...but as I have said, Originals at least gives promise somebody has some smarts...but let's see how long that lasts. As far as no brainer songs to be released:

Old Friends 4 Sale(Original)

Witness 4 The Prosecution

Empty Room

Rebirth Of The Flesh

In A Large Room With No Light

There's Others Here With Us

Adonis And Bathsheba

Joy In Repetition(Original Linn Drum Intro)

Extra Loveable(1983 Version with or without sick lyrics, I don't care)

Purple Music

Possessed(common version we all love, not the ok one on PR Deluxe)

The Dance Electric(version with guitar solo)

Train

Data Bank

Turn It Up

Wally

And of course many more...

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Yes, yes and yes. I absolutely hate the version of Possessed on PR Deluxe.

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I'd also like to have an official release of Prince's version of Mutiny.
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kookooman73 said:

Has a detailed track by track review appeared yet? I’m in two minds whether to renew my Tidal subscription (I only joined because of P), wait for leaks or shock/horror wait to buy the album at a record stow. If I did that it would be a painfully loooooong fortnight. 🤔🤔🤔

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Have you tried the STICKY THREAD?

BartVanHemelen said:

LovePaisley said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

the only way to do the catalogue justice, release it in quanitity AND quality & make a decent amount of $ whilst his fan-base can still be arsed is to offer a purely online based subscription. It's all so bloody obvious!

mnfriend said:

LovePaisley said:

You mean Tidal?

wouldn't that be great. Literally the framework is set up & good to go! - literally upload it & make it pay per DL = done! ....too obvious, too easy...& estate & family too stupid!

I have always sort of assumed that the whole "P with his head in his hands, wondering why he can't have his way" Jill Jones story about the bass in When Doves Cry was 100% myth making. I think this shows it was far less dramatic than that.

From https://www.nme.com/featu...gn-2504657 :

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[Trevor] Guy adds that there’s still a lot more material to be heard from Prince’s famous Vault of unreleased recordings. “It will continue to happen in a way that’s done with care, consideration and a real creative intention,” he says. “There’s no official comment on what’s going on beyond ‘Originals’, but the Vault is a real thing and there’s untold sums of music that have never been released and never heard, so there will for sure be plans with respect to how to get that out.”

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BartVanHemelen said:

There's along article about Originals in Belgian newspaper De Morgen today, which features an extensive interview with Michael Howe. While he's tied to a very restrictive NDA, some of his answers are more forthcoming than they have been in previous interviews. I don't have the time to translate it all now, but one of the more intriguing replies was that they'd bene considering an NPGMC-style service, but that this would be hard to do now because part of the catalogue is tied up in restrictive deals dating back to when Prince was alive. This is interesting, because it clearly cannot be the recent Sony/Legacy deal (which involves all of the released output), so he is most likely talking about unreleased music, and more specifically the outtakes form the Warners era.

love2thenines2003 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

From https://www.nme.com/featu...gn-2504657 :

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We know that 4 years...talking 4 nothing....we need some detailled info damned !

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Howe has mentioned numerous times that he's signed a restrictive NDA. In the interview with De Morgen he could barely bring himself to confirm that the vault contains recordings from the late 1970s. (I seriously don't understand why they refuse to admit the existence of recordings that have been bootlegged for decades, as if they're guarding state secrets. Also, it's a shame that this journalist was once again someone who was poorly informed about what's available and what the background was of for instance "Wally", which they also talked about.)

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BartVanHemelen said:

There's along article about Originals in Belgian newspaper De Morgen today, which features an extensive interview with Michael Howe. While he's tied to a very restrictive NDA, some of his answers are more forthcoming than they have been in previous interviews. I don't have the time to translate it all now, but one of the more intriguing replies was that they'd bene considering an NPGMC-style service, but that this would be hard to do now because part of the catalogue is tied up in restrictive deals dating back to when Prince was alive. This is interesting, because it clearly cannot be the recent Sony/Legacy deal (which involves all of the released output), so he is most likely talking about unreleased music, and more specifically the outtakes form the Warners era.

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https://www.demorgen.be/t...~b9060ddc/

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"Postuum album van Prince verschijnt op Tidal: ‘We voelen zijn ogen op onze rug’" by Sasha Van der Speeten in De Morgen on 6 June 2019.

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Some excerpts (in Dutch):

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Bent u gevoelig voor hoe berucht en gegeerd sommige onuitgegeven opnames onder de Prince-fans zijn? Ik heb bootlegs zoals de legendarische Small Club-aftershow in Den Haag in ’88 of samenwerkingen met Miles Davis en outtake-platen zoals Charade, die de restjes van de Parade-plaat verzamelt. Het zijn de klassiekers onder de bootlegs. Komt The Estate de fans tegemoet op dat vlak met opgekuiste versies ervan?

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“Uiteraard praten we daar binnen The Estate erg vaak over. Als we beroemde bootlegs zouden willen uitbrengen die al een erg goede geluidskwaliteit bezitten, willen we er natuurlijk een versie van maken die de Prince-fans zal plezieren. Hoe het ook zij, we proberen zo goed mogelijk de interesses en de wensen van de bootleggemeenschap en de meest fervente verzamelaars bij te houden.

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“Kijk, ik vind de passie van de Prince-community erg bewonderenswaardig. Sommige van die mensen weten adembenemend veel. Alleen begeven we ons op glad ijs als we zouden tegemoet­komen aan de wensen van vooraanstaande fans. We doen niet graag aan favoritisme. Waarom zouden we de ene fan ernstiger nemen dan de andere?”

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What he says is that they are considering releasing bootlegs that are in excellent sound quality (e.g. the Trojan Horse 1988 aftershow,...). He's also saying that they aren't really considering the opinions of hardcore fans, because how would you determine which ones to listen to and which ones to ignore. (IMHO this is an abysmally stupid reasoning.)

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Here's what he says about the possibility of a new NPGMC-like service (see above for short summary in English):

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“Ik hou erg veel van dat idee. En, eerlijk, daar hebben we binnen het team al over gepraat. Maar het blijft voorlopig bij een vaag plan dat nog veel uitwerking vereist. Voor zover ik het kan inschatten, is het een format dat door de meeste belanghebbenden uit de Prince-entourage als positief wordt ervaren. Er zijn een hoop restricties die Prince binnen de muziekindustrie had gesloten zodat je niet zomaar achteloos met zo’n ambitieus project van start kan gaan. Maar goed, ik vind zo’n concept een excellent idee en misschien moeten we streven om een platform te ontwerpen in de geest van de NPG Music Club.”

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[Edited 6/6/19 2:53am]

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

There's along article about Originals in Belgian newspaper De Morgen today, which features an extensive interview with Michael Howe. While he's tied to a very restrictive NDA, some of his answers are more forthcoming than they have been in previous interviews. I don't have the time to translate it all now, but one of the more intriguing replies was that they'd bene considering an NPGMC-style service, but that this would be hard to do now because part of the catalogue is tied up in restrictive deals dating back to when Prince was alive. This is interesting, because it clearly cannot be the recent Sony/Legacy deal (which involves all of the released output), so he is most likely talking about unreleased music, and more specifically the outtakes form the Warners era.

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https://www.demorgen.be/t...~b9060ddc/

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"Postuum album van Prince verschijnt op Tidal: ‘We voelen zijn ogen op onze rug’" by Sasha Van der Speeten in De Morgen on 6 June 2019.

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Some excerpts (in Dutch):

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What he says is that they are considering releasing bootlegs that are in excellent sound quality (e.g. the Trojan Horse 1988 aftershow,...). He's also saying that they aren't really considering the opinions of hardcore fans, because how would you determine which ones to listen to and which ones to ignore. (IMHO this is an abysmally stupid reasoning.)

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Here's what he says about the possibility of a new NPGMC-like service (see above for short summary in English):

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“Ik hou erg veel van dat idee. En, eerlijk, daar hebben we binnen het team al over gepraat. Maar het blijft voorlopig bij een vaag plan dat nog veel uitwerking vereist. Voor zover ik het kan inschatten, is het een format dat door de meeste belanghebbenden uit de Prince-entourage als positief wordt ervaren. Er zijn een hoop restricties die Prince binnen de muziekindustrie had gesloten zodat je niet zomaar achteloos met zo’n ambitieus project van start kan gaan. Maar goed, ik vind zo’n concept een excellent idee en misschien moeten we streven om een platform te ontwerpen in de geest van de NPG Music Club.”

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[Edited 6/6/19 2:53am]

Thanks a lot for this. It's really good to get even a snippet of insight about what the plans are and some of the reasons why things haven't gone in the direction many of us would have wanted.

He's also saying that they aren't really considering the opinions of hardcore fans, because how would you determine which ones to listen to and which ones to ignore.

After the recent screaming match that took place in another thread about Extraloveable I can kind of see their point.

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

There's along article about Originals in Belgian newspaper De Morgen today, which features an extensive interview with Michael Howe. While he's tied to a very restrictive NDA, some of his answers are more forthcoming than they have been in previous interviews. I don't have the time to translate it all now, but one of the more intriguing replies was that they'd bene considering an NPGMC-style service, but that this would be hard to do now because part of the catalogue is tied up in restrictive deals dating back to when Prince was alive. This is interesting, because it clearly cannot be the recent Sony/Legacy deal (which involves all of the released output), so he is most likely talking about unreleased music, and more specifically the outtakes form the Warners era.

.

https://www.demorgen.be/t...~b9060ddc/

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"Postuum album van Prince verschijnt op Tidal: ‘We voelen zijn ogen op onze rug’" by Sasha Van der Speeten in De Morgen on 6 June 2019.

.

Some excerpts (in Dutch):

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What he says is that they are considering releasing bootlegs that are in excellent sound quality (e.g. the Trojan Horse 1988 aftershow,...). He's also saying that they aren't really considering the opinions of hardcore fans, because how would you determine which ones to listen to and which ones to ignore. (IMHO this is an abysmally stupid reasoning.)

.

Here's what he says about the possibility of a new NPGMC-like service (see above for short summary in English):

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“Ik hou erg veel van dat idee. En, eerlijk, daar hebben we binnen het team al over gepraat. Maar het blijft voorlopig bij een vaag plan dat nog veel uitwerking vereist. Voor zover ik het kan inschatten, is het een format dat door de meeste belanghebbenden uit de Prince-entourage als positief wordt ervaren. Er zijn een hoop restricties die Prince binnen de muziekindustrie had gesloten zodat je niet zomaar achteloos met zo’n ambitieus project van start kan gaan. Maar goed, ik vind zo’n concept een excellent idee en misschien moeten we streven om een platform te ontwerpen in de geest van de NPG Music Club.”

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[Edited 6/6/19 2:53am]

Thanks for translating that BVH. ....just going to add my original thread about working with bootleggers material might actually come to fruition!!

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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[Edited 6/6/19 2:53am]

Thanks for translating that BVH. ....just going to add my original thread about working with bootleggers material might actually come to fruition!!

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That's not what he said. He's talking about releasing things that have been bootlegged and that exist in good enough quality in the vault.

linus4000 said:

After the recent Prince/Warner deal expires in some years, think 2021 or so, they will be more free in releasing music/videos from all eras... Think they know the hardcore fans want more than one record per year... So a npgmc type of music subsription is nice... maybe in cooperation with big streaming service ....

Prediction: the family , the bank, the tax-man, the record companies etc will find a way of fucking it all up!!

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

linus4000 said:

After the recent Prince/Warner deal expires in some years, think 2021 or so, they will be more free in releasing music/videos from all eras... Think they know the hardcore fans want more than one record per year... So a npgmc type of music subsription is nice... maybe in cooperation with big streaming service ....

Prediction: the family , the bank, the tax-man, the record companies etc will find a way of fucking it all up!!

Let`s be optimistic )

What we also need is one big Box of live footage in HD from each tour....with aftershows and rehearsals included...