Kares said:

I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

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Kares said:

With trained ears you can recognise the characteristics of a cassette dub. My ears are good enough proof for me, but of course you're free to think otherwise.

NC2U wasn't a cassette.

It had strings, along with Paul and Susannah's background vocals on it, which were added long after Prince's version was done (which is the leaked version).

Vault Archivist for Prince's Estate Michael Howe stumbled across the recording while stockpiling inventory from the 1984 era.

“After retrieving my jaw from the floor, we took the reel upstairs, analyzed it, put it up on the Studer 24 track machine, and digitized it to 24/192," said Howe. "Even our ‘faders up’ rough mix was compelling enough to indicate that this was something very special indeed.”

http://www.beat.com.au/mu...-2-u-watch

bluegangsta said:

Kares said:

I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

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Kares said:

With trained ears you can recognise the characteristics of a cassette dub. My ears are good enough proof for me, but of course you're free to think otherwise.

NC2U wasn't a cassette.

It had strings, along with Paul and Susannah's background vocals on it, which were added long after Prince's version was done (which is the leaked version).

Vault Archivist for Prince's Estate Michael Howe stumbled across the recording while stockpiling inventory from the 1984 era.

“After retrieving my jaw from the floor, we took the reel upstairs, analyzed it, put it up on the Studer 24 track machine, and digitized it to 24/192," said Howe. "Even our ‘faders up’ rough mix was compelling enough to indicate that this was something very special indeed.”

http://www.beat.com.au/mu...-2-u-watch

BOOM. Kares needs to send those ears back to basic training.

This is pretty great, but...

Where.

The Fuck.

Is Mutiny?

lastdecember said:

It seems this is the TIDAL exclusive album that was discussed.

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Ya think?

soladeo1 said:

Sydney said:

Excited for this release - cant wait to hear a clear version of "Dear Michaelangelo" with Prince vocals!

All Day, All Night would have taken this release to the stratosphere!!!

Let's not forget Data Bank!

bluegangsta said:

Kares said:

I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

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Kares said:

With trained ears you can recognise the characteristics of a cassette dub. My ears are good enough proof for me, but of course you're free to think otherwise.

NC2U wasn't a cassette.

It had strings, along with Paul and Susannah's background vocals on it, which were added long after Prince's version was done (which is the leaked version).

Vault Archivist for Prince's Estate Michael Howe stumbled across the recording while stockpiling inventory from the 1984 era.

“After retrieving my jaw from the floor, we took the reel upstairs, analyzed it, put it up on the Studer 24 track machine, and digitized it to 24/192," said Howe. "Even our ‘faders up’ rough mix was compelling enough to indicate that this was something very special indeed.”

http://www.beat.com.au/mu...-2-u-watch

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I said NCU2 was partially from a cassette.
They've added tracks to it.
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Kares said:

bluegangsta said:

NC2U wasn't a cassette.

It had strings, along with Paul and Susannah's background vocals on it, which were added long after Prince's version was done (which is the leaked version).

Vault Archivist for Prince's Estate Michael Howe stumbled across the recording while stockpiling inventory from the 1984 era.

“After retrieving my jaw from the floor, we took the reel upstairs, analyzed it, put it up on the Studer 24 track machine, and digitized it to 24/192," said Howe. "Even our ‘faders up’ rough mix was compelling enough to indicate that this was something very special indeed.”

http://www.beat.com.au/mu...-2-u-watch

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I said NCU2 was partially from a cassette.
They've added tracks to it.
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Why would they add tracks to a cassette dub when they have the original multitracks to it? That would be silly and given the nature of cassettes over time - very difficult to sync with each other.

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Kares said:

Romeoblu said:

Kares said:

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I said NCU2 was partially from a cassette.
They've added tracks to it.
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The official release is better than the leaked version. I think they did a great job with the source material. It's not like they overdubbed it.

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Again, that is not what I said either, is it. Anyway, this is all off-topic here.

^^^^ Folks, please keep this thread on track instead of going off topic, thanks.

Never mind, What I wrote was already stated by someone else. Not sure how to delete a comment

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Neversin said:

This shitty release looks even worse than those garbage outtake compilation bootlegs from the 1990's... Again these fucking idiots, now joined by a fucking clueless rapper, mock the fans by neglecting or even listen to those who have studied Prince for his entire career by releasing (just look at that fucking amateur job of a "cover"!) something Prince himself hated and was frustrated about... Instead of releasing a proper set with his versions of songs he gave to "non-protege acts" (Madonna, Celine Dion, Patty Labelle etc.) as a one off thing they put songs on it that should be combined with a remaster of albums from protege acts... Pathetic... And, again, The Estate showing they haven't even mastered the basics of "Prince 101"... Neversin.

I agree with Neversin. I do think that if money is their issue then a constant, good cashflow could be guaranteed if the estate just outsourced rereleases to the Neversins of this world and we got proper releases - split between small compilations for the casual listener and big, expensive, verging on academic releases for those of us who take these things very seriously, you know we'd pay up without complaining if the quality was there.

but at the same time i'm looking forward to this because it's all we're going to get isnt it? The cover is almost the very same as some bootleg dvd I got years ago of P's 1981 New York show.

[Edited 4/26/19 2:45am]

jaawwnn said:

I agree with Neversin. I do think that if money is their issue then a constant, good cashflow could be guaranteed if the estate just outsourced rereleases to the Neversins of this world and we got proper releases - split between small compilations for the casual listener and big, expensive, verging on academic releases for those of us who take these things very seriously, you know we'd pay up without complaining if the quality was there.

but at the same time i'm looking forward to this because it's all we're going to get isnt it? The cover is almost the very same as some bootleg dvd I got years ago of P's 1981 New York show.

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Curating and producing the truly comprehensive, high quality box sets most of us dream about would require knowledge of what's actually in the vault, as even those of us who've been studying, collecting and following Prince for 3-4 decades aren't aware of everything – most probably those engineers and musicians who worked with him aren't able to remember everything either.
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I wouldn't be comfortable with putting together a "Complete Vanity 6" (or The Time or Madhouse or Apollonia 6 etc.) box set (that would include all versions of every song directly related to that particular project or artist), because a day after it comes out people would come forward with information about what else should've been included.
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So I do agree with what Neversin is saying (not with his language though, sorry), it'd be best to start releasing material that we could more or less agree is either complete or can be turned into a series, such as a series of releses of songs given to or written for "non-protégé acts" (although sometimes it's difficult to draw a line between songs given to others by Prince and Prince-songs simply covered by others). Or they could start releasing albums that have been completed by Prince yet stayed on the shelf. But randomly picking songs just to put together an album while those songs should be included in different, comprehensive releases, is unprofessional and irritating indeed.

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Kares said:

jaawwnn said:

I agree with Neversin. I do think that if money is their issue then a constant, good cashflow could be guaranteed if the estate just outsourced rereleases to the Neversins of this world and we got proper releases - split between small compilations for the casual listener and big, expensive, verging on academic releases for those of us who take these things very seriously, you know we'd pay up without complaining if the quality was there.

but at the same time i'm looking forward to this because it's all we're going to get isnt it? The cover is almost the very same as some bootleg dvd I got years ago of P's 1981 New York show.

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Curating and producing the truly comprehensive, high quality box sets most of us dream about would require knowledge of what's actually in the vault, as even those of us who've been studying, collecting and following Prince for 3-4 decades aren't aware of everything – most probably those engineers and musicians who worked with him aren't able to remember everything either.
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I wouldn't be comfortable with putting together a "Complete Vanity 6" (or The Time or Madhouse or Apollonia 6 etc.) box set (that would include all versions of every song directly related to that particular project or artist), because a day after it comes out people would come forward with information about what else should've been included.
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So I do agree with what Neversin is saying (not with his language though, sorry), it'd be best to start releasing material that we could more or less agree is either complete or can be turned into a series, such as a series of releses of songs given to or written for "non-protégé acts" (although sometimes it's difficult to draw a line between songs given to others by Prince and Prince-songs simply covered by others). Or they could start releasing albums that have been completed by Prince yet stayed on the shelf. But randomly picking songs just to put together an album while those songs should be included in different, comprehensive releases, is unprofessional and irritating indeed.

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Sure, we're more or less in agreement. The idea that we could be even at the place where all that's left are nitpicky details seems impossible right now.

Kares said:

I wouldn't be comfortable with putting together a "Complete Vanity 6" (or The Time or Madhouse or Apollonia 6 etc.) box set (that would include all versions of every song directly related to that particular project or artist), because a day after it comes out people would come forward with information about what else should've been included.

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They should have spoken up when the release was announced. Less secrecy, more collaboration. In recent days I saw a post on http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/ where their commenters had noticed an upcoming album had the wrong artwork and that company actually delayed the release to fix this issue. And in the past there have been box sets where tracks were added/removed because commenters there spoke up about missing tracks etc.

BartVanHemelen said:

Kares said:

I wouldn't be comfortable with putting together a "Complete Vanity 6" (or The Time or Madhouse or Apollonia 6 etc.) box set (that would include all versions of every song directly related to that particular project or artist), because a day after it comes out people would come forward with information about what else should've been included.

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They should have spoken up when the release was announced. Less secrecy, more collaboration. In recent days I saw a post on http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/ where their commenters had noticed an upcoming album had the wrong artwork and that company actually delayed the release to fix this issue. And in the past there have been box sets where tracks were added/removed because commenters there spoke up about missing tracks etc.

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Yes I know, but even if they'd communicate and would be open to collaboration, what's most important in my view is to have a full inventory of the vault first, that should be the starting point. And I don't think they're at that stage yet, as I said before, I believe that a truly FULL catalog would take a couple of years to complete, even if there's a whole team working on it full time. (Because it's not just about putting info you find on boxes into a database, it's about going through every single format found inside Paisley, from the cassettes and rehearsal videos, through all the studio tapes, all the safety copies, all the hard drives, films, optical disks and every format you can think of. It a monumental task to actually listen to everything that might not be labelled on the box and deciding what project they might belong to, if any.)
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So while it's true many of us would be able to contribute valuable information, no-one knows what additional recordings (or simply different versions of known songs) might be in the boxes, that should be all included in sets that aim to be comprehensive.

Kares said:

bfunk said:

Amazon links are working now:

Deluxe: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QYX23FM

LP: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07R11NT83

CD: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07R37Y7JD

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Side C of the LP contains 4 songs: "Baby, You're A Trip", "The Glamorous Life", "Gigolos Get Lonely Too", "Love... Thy Will Be Done".
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Unfortunately this means that we're definitely not getting the full versions, not even the album versions, as on the original releases these 4 songs would add up to 24 minutes. And that is far too long for one LP-side.
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I was hoping that "Love... Thy Will Be Done" would go on side D, it would've made more sense in my opinion.

[Edited 4/25/19 12:01pm]

24 mins is certainly feasible for one side of an LP, if not ideal.

leecaldon said:

Kares said:

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Side C of the LP contains 4 songs: "Baby, You're A Trip", "The Glamorous Life", "Gigolos Get Lonely Too", "Love... Thy Will Be Done".
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Unfortunately this means that we're definitely not getting the full versions, not even the album versions, as on the original releases these 4 songs would add up to 24 minutes. And that is far too long for one LP-side.
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I was hoping that "Love... Thy Will Be Done" would go on side D, it would've made more sense in my opinion.

[Edited 4/25/19 12:01pm]

24 mins is certainly feasible for one side of an LP, if not ideal.

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It is not impossible but would sound awful. Even with 16-18 min sides I have serious issues with the string of tricks and compromises needed in vinyl mastering to make the end product even just playable on most average turntables people use.
I don't think this release would have more than 18 mins per sides.

Neversin said:

This shitty release looks even worse than those garbage outtake compilation bootlegs from the 1990's... Again these fucking idiots, now joined by a fucking clueless rapper, mock the fans by neglecting or even listen to those who have studied Prince for his entire career by releasing (just look at that fucking amateur job of a "cover"!) something Prince himself hated and was frustrated about... Instead of releasing a proper set with his versions of songs he gave to "non-protege acts" (Madonna, Celine Dion, Patty Labelle etc.) as a one off thing they put songs on it that should be combined with a remaster of albums from protege acts... Pathetic... And, again, The Estate showing they haven't even mastered the basics of "Prince 101"... Neversin.

leecaldon said:

Kares said:

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Side C of the LP contains 4 songs: "Baby, You're A Trip", "The Glamorous Life", "Gigolos Get Lonely Too", "Love... Thy Will Be Done".
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Unfortunately this means that we're definitely not getting the full versions, not even the album versions, as on the original releases these 4 songs would add up to 24 minutes. And that is far too long for one LP-side.
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I was hoping that "Love... Thy Will Be Done" would go on side D, it would've made more sense in my opinion.

[Edited 4/25/19 12:01pm]

24 mins is certainly feasible for one side of an LP, if not ideal.

I just did a needle drop on an LP that had a 33 min side. So yes it can be done. But you're right, it is NOT ideal. That side of the LP sounded worse than the other 3. The more you squeeze onto an LP side, the worse the quality.

djThunderfunk said:

leecaldon said:

24 mins is certainly feasible for one side of an LP, if not ideal.

I just did a needle drop on an LP that had a 33 min side. So yes it can be done. But you're right, it is NOT ideal. That side of the LP sounded worse than the other 3. The more you squeeze onto an LP side, the worse the quality.

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I didn't say it cannot be done. You can even fit 40 mins on a side if you don't care about quality or if you're putting out a birdsong record. My point was 24 mins is too long ( = to maintain decent quality).

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lust said:

Neversin said:

This shitty release looks even worse than those garbage outtake compilation bootlegs from the 1990's... Again these fucking idiots, now joined by a fucking clueless rapper, mock the fans by neglecting or even listen to those who have studied Prince for his entire career by releasing (just look at that fucking amateur job of a "cover"!) something Prince himself hated and was frustrated about... Instead of releasing a proper set with his versions of songs he gave to "non-protege acts" (Madonna, Celine Dion, Patty Labelle etc.) as a one off thing they put songs on it that should be combined with a remaster of albums from protege acts... Pathetic... And, again, The Estate showing they haven't even mastered the basics of "Prince 101"... Neversin.

And yet lots of us are thrilled with the release so different strokes and all that! Doesn’t matter what they do, someone is always going to throw a tantrum and project their opinion as if speaking on behalf of “the true fans”

Oh please... I never said anything about some bullshit "the true fans" nonsense...
You like this "Chaos and Disorder"/"The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale" part 2 (or 3, depends on how you look at it) then good for you, Prince on the other hand...
This "Originals" garbage is exactly a release Prince would have given WBR to fuck with them; some really great song packaged in the most attrocious way that plays like a retarded and incoherent mess (intentionally created and sequenced as such by Prince) and now these fucking money minding morons in a suit and that retarded rapper are doing the same because they think they're on to something...
This is just too stupid to comprehend... It's painfully obvious they don't know shit nor do they care about his legacy except the potential of money...
I understand that people are starving for anything "new" but this shit is exactly what Prince pulled on WBR and eventually us, his fans, when he made those throw away records to fulfill his contract...

Neversin.

Neversin said:

lust said:

Neversin said: And yet lots of us are thrilled with the release so different strokes and all that! Doesn’t matter what they do, someone is always going to throw a tantrum and project their opinion as if speaking on behalf of “the true fans”

Oh please... I never said anything about some bullshit "the true fans" nonsense...
You like this "Chaos and Disorder"/"The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale" part 2 (or 3, depends on how you look at it) then good for you, Prince on the other hand...
This "Originals" garbage is exactly a release Prince would have given WBR to fuck with them; some really great song packaged in the most attrocious way that plays like a retarded and incoherent mess (intentionally created and sequenced as such by Prince) and now these fucking money minding morons in a suit and that retarded rapper are doing the same because they think they're on to something...
This is just too stupid to comprehend... It's painfully obvious they don't know shit nor do they care about his legacy except the potential of money...
I understand that people are starving for anything "new" but this shit is exactly what Prince pulled on WBR and eventually us, his fans, when he made those throw away records to fulfill his contract...

Neversin.

You're right as always.

And I bet you they're going to remix the fuck out of these. They'll include overdubs that were done purely intended for the protege version - like they did with Nothing Compares 2 U.

Romeoblu said:

Just wondering which tracks people are anticipating the most. Mine would be Dear Michaelangelo. I thought the leak from a couple of years ago was fantastic. Hopefully it's that version in great sound quality.

I agree with you. Also like The Glamorous Life. Be nice to have that in better quality.

Mikado said:

I find it funny people are calling Jay-Z a retarded rapper when, in reality, dude is a better businessman than Prince ever was.

Although I don't necessarily agree with the "better businessman than Prince ever was" comment, your initial point about Jay-Z being a good one is definetely valid!