GottaHaveFaith said:

Am I the only one who seems excited for this release?

Nope. Most fans are as well.

I'm definately excited! Pre-ordered it as soon as it was doable!!!

Two formats too! Digital and Vinyl!!!

Dazza said:

Why is everyone so excited about this? It won’t sell wider than die hards. I have zero interest in Prince singing songs he specifically wrote for women. So fed up with the way the estate is managed. They’ve lost all momentum by not releasing something with wider appeal.

I hope the estate never releases something they thing will sell byond the diehards, because that means for the next 30 years we'll get countless "newly remastered" versions of Take Me With U and Raspberry Beret.

We were foolish to think the estate would ever release anything from the vault en masse. Remember when we all said "there's enough unheard music in the vault to release an album a year for 100 years".... But they'll never do that, because it won't sell. The best we can hope for is every 10 years to get another "newly remastered" greatest hits package with 1 or 2 unreleased songs.

The vault is, and always was, a mirage. Accept that.

According song durations available: we're thus able to compare with what we have already...

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

"Baby, You're A Trip" is more than 2 minutes longer than the version currently circulating!!!

Ramzoo said:

According song durations available: we're thus able to compare with what we have already...

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

"Baby, You're A Trip" is more than 2 minutes longer than the version currently circulating!!!

it's the same length as it is on the jill jones album tho, isn't it?

jasopig said:

Dazza said:

Why is everyone so excited about this? It won’t sell wider than die hards. I have zero interest in Prince singing songs he specifically wrote for women. So fed up with the way the estate is managed. They’ve lost all momentum by not releasing something with wider appeal.

I hope the estate never releases something they thing will sell byond the diehards, because that means for the next 30 years we'll get countless "newly remastered" versions of Take Me With U and Raspberry Beret.

We were foolish to think the estate would ever release anything from the vault en masse. Remember when we all said "there's enough unheard music in the vault to release an album a year for 100 years".... But they'll never do that, because it won't sell. The best we can hope for is every 10 years to get another "newly remastered" greatest hits package with 1 or 2 unreleased songs.

The vault is, and always was, a mirage. Accept that.

With a few minor exceptions, music sales in general...cds, downloads, etc are selling less and less every single year. Vinyl records have had a nice increase but an increase from what? And with Warners making 14,000 of His Majesty's with 2 tracks with the wrong speed, we can expect a comedy of errors. If the estate wants one album release a year, by the time year 10 hits, many more fans will be too old to care or dead. Almost everyone involved really knows little about Prince's music, and even less about what a die hard would pay for.

On the positve side, this release has 64 minutes instead of Piano and Mirco's 34. 34 minute discs may be a lot for an artist with nothing in the vault, but for us, it was an insult. Maybe, this is a sign of things getting better. With 34 minute discs, it would take roughly 500 cds to equal the music you can fit on 200 discs. At an average of $10 a disc, that's either $2000 or $5000 per fan. They can always make box sets with the book seperate so the fans that just want the music can be happy, and make a shoddy error filled book for the people who like such things...

if this is a Tidal release..how come WB is part of it?

jfenster said:

if this is a Tidal release..how come WB is part of it?

snip - of4$

My response: My memory of the whole thing is that all the Tidal album releases, starting with HNR Phase 2 were Tidal exclusive for a period of time, and Prince(now the estate) Can distribute them as they please on physical media and competing streaming/I Tunes, etc...as per whatever the agreement was.

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GottaHaveFaith said:

Am I the only one who seems excited for this release? I know this is basically bare bones compared to all of us who have bootlegs, but I wanna give this a chance. I liked Piano and A Microphone so, i'm ready for this

I'm quite excited for this, too! That said, I've been pretty happy with all of the posthumous releases, so maybe I'm easy to please.

i am definitely stoked for this one. I have already pre-ordered the CD.

IstenSzek said:

GottaHaveFaith said:

jasopig said:

Dazza said:

Why is everyone so excited about this? It won’t sell wider than die hards. I have zero interest in Prince singing songs he specifically wrote for women. So fed up with the way the estate is managed. They’ve lost all momentum by not releasing something with wider appeal.

I hope the estate never releases something they thing will sell byond the diehards, because that means for the next 30 years we'll get countless "newly remastered" versions of Take Me With U and Raspberry Beret.

We were foolish to think the estate would ever release anything from the vault en masse. Remember when we all said "there's enough unheard music in the vault to release an album a year for 100 years".... But they'll never do that, because it won't sell. The best we can hope for is every 10 years to get another "newly remastered" greatest hits package with 1 or 2 unreleased songs.

The vault is, and always was, a mirage. Accept that.

Whatever you think of the actual releases, this is the second year in a row where we're getting an album from the vault.

Lots of things to get excited about regarding this release!

SEX SHOOTER - a Prince-vocal of this propulsive, under-rated funk jammer sounds AWESOME!

JUNGLE LOVE - Likewise on this one. The original is a classic w/ Morris but a Prince lead vocal take will be interesting.

MANIC MONDAY - a flat-out pop masterpeice. Prince doing his best Beatles/The Holllies impression. I wonder if the instrumentals behind his vocal lead are the same as The Bangles version?

NOON RENDEZVOUS - Interesting song and a welcome 'breather' in the sequence of tunes. The track sort of hints at what he was doing a few short years later with SOTT.

MAKE UP - LEFTFIELD CHOICE!! The song is bizarre and pretty obscure as a deep track on the Vanity 6 LP. But it's nervy and edgy and experimentive. Hearing Prince 'say-sing' these lyrics will be endlessly hilarious.

100 MPH - YESSSSS!!!! Underrated FUNK!!!

YOU'RE MY LOVE - Prince singing on this song (and playing the instruments behind it) might elevate this song...who knows??

HOLLY ROCK - This one should be VERY interesting. Early proto-rap from Prince???

BABY, YOU'RE A TRIP - Never particularly liked the original. Sort of meanders around... Maybe Prince singing it can elevate it??

THE GLAMEROUS LIFE - WOW. Can't wait.

GIGOLOS GET LONELY TOO - This one could be really interesting. Early 80s soul ballad with Prince singing lead?? Yes, please!

LOVE...THY WILL BE DONE - ANother underrated masterpeice, IMO!! A definate Holy Grail Track!! Should be the lead single from the album if there is one...

DEAR MICHAELANGELO - Could be interesting!

WOULDN'T YOU LOVE TO LOVE ME? - Awesome song! Wonder which version of the tune is coming out? Prince recorded like 10 versions of it over the years. This one could be a single too!

NOTHING COMPARES 2 U - Nice to have it in here. Of course, we all love it!!

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Kares said:

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It's reassuring to hear I'm not totally deaf yet (and yes, I'm a sound engineer).
I remember hearing the story of Prince taping over his own vocal track on the 2" from many years ago, and I can absolutely believe it's true. I would've objected to such a barbaric move of course, after all, he probably had two 2" machines hooked up and synced, so he could've used a second reel of tape if he ran out of tracks, but apparently he didn't care that much about the song. (What I don't understand is that there must be a 1/4" mixdown tape too, did they not find that prior to producing the 2018 release?)

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haven't you said that all the posthumas releases have been from cassettes? PR Dluxe Vault disc, Moonbeam Levels, Piano and Mic? Why is that? Why have they not used the master tapes?
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Could they not find the masters? Or maybe the masters are in serious need of restoration and they didn't want to wait?

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undergroundFUNK said:

I can't wait to hear these in good quality especially Love Thy Will B Done.

too bad it wont be the guitar version from NPS...

lurker316 said:

Kares said:

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It's reassuring to hear I'm not totally deaf yet (and yes, I'm a sound engineer).
I remember hearing the story of Prince taping over his own vocal track on the 2" from many years ago, and I can absolutely believe it's true. I would've objected to such a barbaric move of course, after all, he probably had two 2" machines hooked up and synced, so he could've used a second reel of tape if he ran out of tracks, but apparently he didn't care that much about the song. (What I don't understand is that there must be a 1/4" mixdown tape too, did they not find that prior to producing the 2018 release?)

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haven't you said that all the posthumas releases have been from cassettes? PR Dluxe Vault disc, Moonbeam Levels, Piano and Mic? Why is that? Why have they not used the master tapes?
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Could they not find the masters? Or maybe the masters are in serious need of restoration and they didn't want to wait?

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Copying from another thread:

jfenster said:

Kares said:

All posthumus releases (Moonbeam Levels, PR Deluxe outtakes, P&AM83 and partially NC2U) were sourced from cassettes, for various reasons:
– Moonbeam Levels and the PR Deluxe outtakes were produced when Warner didn't yet have access to Paisley's vault tapes, they had to use the cassettes they had.
– P&AM was taped on cassette originally, so it is what it is.
– PC2U was in part sourced from a cassette copy of the mixdown tape that had Prince's vocals, and that was mixed with parts of the multitrack. Why they didn't use the 1/4" mixdown tape with Prince's vocals I don't know. Perhaps they couldn't find it yet, but it must be there.

but they got that rehearsal footage from the vault.....why not the music

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NC2U did come from the vault, but the original multitrack tape doesn't have Prince's vocals anymore, he taped over it. The NC2U release was therefore mixed from the multitracks and from a cassette copy of a mixdown tape that still had Prince's vocals.

jfenster said:

undergroundFUNK said:

I can't wait to hear these in good quality especially Love Thy Will B Done.

too bad it wont be the guitar version from NPS...

In my book the original version (and Martika version) is probably the greatest song ever given by P to a related artist.

The NPG rendition destroy the atmospheric quality of it.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Still fucking better than the truncated 1999 from last year.

I agree... now the original from back then is interesting...but why Now? And if I had bought that "Versace Experiencee" years ago... (I am not saying I could have but I did see it up for auction I have no idea what it sold for) I would be mad. They put out a 'rare' single a year or 2 ago... that I have and I am like wow thanks! (I also bid on that Pop Life thing but I got out bid I was not that interesting in it...) I do still want a 10" Mountains!

I don't normally get into politics much here, as I simply don't care, but that signature if "Sanders Gets Elected?" Colonel Sanders is dead, Deion Sanders is on the NFL network. Bernie Sanders? Isn't he like 92? I don't think he's running for anything is he?

soladeo1 said:

Lots of things to get excited about regarding this release!

SEX SHOOTER - a Prince-vocal of this propulsive, under-rated funk jammer sounds AWESOME!

JUNGLE LOVE - Likewise on this one. The original is a classic w/ Morris but a Prince lead vocal take will be interesting.

MANIC MONDAY - a flat-out pop masterpeice. Prince doing his best Beatles/The Holllies impression. I wonder if the instrumentals behind his vocal lead are the same as The Bangles version?

NOON RENDEZVOUS - Interesting song and a welcome 'breather' in the sequence of tunes. The track sort of hints at what he was doing a few short years later with SOTT.

MAKE UP - LEFTFIELD CHOICE!! The song is bizarre and pretty obscure as a deep track on the Vanity 6 LP. But it's nervy and edgy and experimentive. Hearing Prince 'say-sing' these lyrics will be endlessly hilarious.

100 MPH - YESSSSS!!!! Underrated FUNK!!!

YOU'RE MY LOVE - Prince singing on this song (and playing the instruments behind it) might elevate this song...who knows??

HOLLY ROCK - This one should be VERY interesting. Early proto-rap from Prince???

BABY, YOU'RE A TRIP - Never particularly liked the original. Sort of meanders around... Maybe Prince singing it can elevate it??

THE GLAMEROUS LIFE - WOW. Can't wait.

GIGOLOS GET LONELY TOO - This one could be really interesting. Early 80s soul ballad with Prince singing lead?? Yes, please!

LOVE...THY WILL BE DONE - ANother underrated masterpeice, IMO!! A definate Holy Grail Track!! Should be the lead single from the album if there is one...

DEAR MICHAELANGELO - Could be interesting!

WOULDN'T YOU LOVE TO LOVE ME? - Awesome song! Wonder which version of the tune is coming out? Prince recorded like 10 versions of it over the years. This one could be a single too!

NOTHING COMPARES 2 U - Nice to have it in here. Of course, we all love it!!

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Manic Monday - I think The Bangles improved it - both in sound and instrumental, but it's the about same tempo and beat. Here's the Brenda/Apollonia demo - Brenda should have had the lead on the A6 version because her voice kicks ass. You can still hear her quite a bit:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WXfHSLjQnA

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Noon Rendezvous - would have been perfect on the Roadhouse Garden track list or even Dream Factory - so sad he never released those. This one's not really the SOTT sound in my opinion.

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Holly Rock - his first rap was Extraloveable '82/'83 version - "I wanna rap a little bit..." Not really, but I think it's the first time he mentions "rap" in a song

Kares said:

BoraBora said:

jfenster said:

too bad it wont be the guitar version from NPS...

In my book the original version (and Martika version) is probably the greatest song ever given by P to a related artist.

The NPG rendition destroy the atmospheric quality of it.

Have I missed something? LTWBD wasn't on NPS

embmmusic said:

Romeoblu said:

Kares said:.

NC2U did come from the vault, but the original multitrack tape doesn't have Prince's vocals anymore, he taped over it. The NC2U release was therefore mixed from the multitracks and from a cassette copy of a mixdown tape that still had Prince's vocals.

To me this is totally acceptable. Some others seem to think not. I also agree Love... Thy will be done is one of his best songs ever to be given away and I much prefer the Martika version.

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To me it is totally unacceptable for 2 reasons:

– it is unethical to combine 2 different versions posthumously and not communicating this fact at all.
– It is unacceptable to use a cassette copy of a mix when the 1/4" mixdown reel must be in the vault too. Did they just not find it? No-one mixes a song straight to cassette tape, it was mixed to 1/4" first and that reel should even have a safety copy too on another 1/4" reel. The cassette copy was made from one of these 1/4" tapes.

Romeoblu said:

stillwaiting said:

jfenster said:

if this is a Tidal release..how come WB is part of it?

snip - of4$

My response: My memory of the whole thing is that all the Tidal album releases, starting with HNR Phase 2 were Tidal exclusive for a period of time, and Prince(now the estate) Can distribute them as they please on physical media and competing streaming/I Tunes, etc...as per whatever the agreement was.

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I don't think I've ever been censored before. I used a 4 letter word, and used a response you know who would have made telling them they are stupid and should know how to use Google and all..lol. But I was obviously not picking on jfenster, I was making fun of someone who likes to be mean and wicked to everyone.

FragileUndertow said:

embmmusic said:

Have I missed something? LTWBD wasn't on NPS

I'm guessing he means The NPG version with Sonny on lead vocals and prince on guitar

yes ..but the Prince vocal version remains unreleased

jfenster said:

FragileUndertow said:

embmmusic said: I'm guessing he means The NPG version with Sonny on lead vocals and prince on guitar

yes ..but the Prince vocal version remains unreleased

Also the NPG version. Obviously we're talking of bootlegs, 'til now.

But the NPG version (also available live in many tapes, "Astoria 1995" to say one) is somewhat a little too "hard" and distonic vs. the calm and serene sounds of the original creation.

As far as I know, there are two versions of the original take circulating... a surely genuine one with P vocals (near identical to Martika's version, minus the strings) and a duet P/Martika (if I'm not wrong available on the old old "Red" Bootleg CD").
Anyway I'm always a little doubt on the duet version (I honestly can't think it was ever conceived as duet).

But the important thing is that we finally have a proper release of P's version.
Finally.
A Classic.

BoraBora said: