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"Ultimate Rave (2CD/1DVD)" - 26 April 2019 (Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic / Rave In2 / Rave Un2 the Year 2000) Review from UK music monthly Classic Pop (April 2019 / Issue 51): .
. See also this now self-locked thread: http://prince.org/msg/7/457789 © Bart Van Hemelen
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still can't make up my mind on this one! Without a doubt it has the sound of compromise & even borderline desperation. Cetyainly some little pop gems on there but as per the relationship soured so quickly with Clive etc....likewise seeing P doing shit kids TV shows across Europe was NOT cool! That said he looked fucking amazing in this period , we got some decent videos & who could forget the Motherless Child Septimo performance! | |
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YES, hooray.. ok this isn't news now.. however I have already ordered this set! [Edited 3/29/19 6:35am] Prince 4Ever. | |
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In terms of sales, 'Crystal Ball' was never conceived as a commercial hit and 'Old Friends 4 Sale', a contractually obliged collection of vault songs with little promotion, hardly had much chart potential to begin with. Other than that, I agree with the review. I've always considered the success of 'Musicology' to be more to do with timing and promotion and Prince simply being Prince and more publically understandable again, than any major difference in quality. | |
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for the danish fans: [Edited 3/29/19 6:41am] Prince 4Ever. | |
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OperatingThetan said: In terms of sales, 'Crystal Ball' was never conceived as a commercial hit and 'Old Friends 4 Sale', a contractually obliged collection of vault songs with little promotion, hardly had much chart potential to begin with. Other than that, I agree with the review. I've always considered the success of 'Musicology' to be more to do with timing and promotion and Prince simply being Prince and more publically understandable again, than any major difference in quality. Agreed. As we know, sales has very little to do with “quality” of music and a lot to do with promotion. Prince missed the mark in how he promoted Rave compared to say, Musicology, Diamonds and Pearls. Prince blamed Arista/Clive Davis. Both likely were to blame. "New Power slide...." | |
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He promoted Rave quite strongly in Europe and did a lot of promotional performances, latenight talkshows, evening shows, MTV, VIVA, etc.etc. but there´s not one performance or interview among them that I really liked. The song or single choices were poor, most of the shows he performed on were not exactly the ideal audience to promote a Prince album and he seemed a bit lost to me. I find the album itself quite ok, there are some really nice songs on it but there are also a few really filler songs on it that I can´t stand and that tarnish the album as a whole (the Sheryl Crow cover with Larry is something I can´t listen to, then there´s the slow and boring TGRES single and video, and some nice songs start ok and end silly, for example Sun, Moon and Stars). I´ll probably buy this release because my version of In2 was sold at Paisley without a proper jewel case and my Rave concert is a VHS, so I need to get the DVD but then again, I don´t think I´ll ever watch that lame and fake NYE show ever again. Like I said above, there are some nice songs on it but it was a weird time to be a fan in 1999. " I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?" | |
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The songs for the French shows were poorly chosen. One show he shouldn't have done at all, Tout Lara Fabian: this was variety songs for yo grandma, the anti-hip show by excellence, young people made lots of fun of him for playing there. TGRES was the right song I guess, but still... He shouldn't have done that show. Hit Machine was targeted at teens, so TGRES was the last thing to play there because the kids would fall asleep, it should have been a Undisputed, Hot Wit U or So Far So Pleased, something loud and dynamic the kids could relate to. Nulle Part Ailleurs had a hipper audience, basically 15-35 metropolitan target, and there playing Alphabet St. was OK but old news, and Baby Knows was a terrible choice because it was a very typically American, almost redneck song, not what this sophisticated audience would want. Prettyman would have been perfect for this one because funk was making a come back at the time, thought any of the 3 I mentioned above could have worked. . Now I realize Prince wasn't supposed to know the demographics of each foreign TV show, but either he or the label should have had people who did to advise him. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Yes, Hot With U or So Far, So Pleased or maybe even Wherever U Go , Whatever U Do would have been much better choices. And yes, the TV shows and the songs he chose did not match at all. Weird times and bad planning. Rave could´ve sold much better with a better strategy. " I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?" | |
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they wanted the adult contemporary market that gave santana a comeback .. nothing too edgy with lots of young guests to give it enough crossover apeal to get the parents to buy it too .. they should have released i love u but dont trust u anymore to all the norah jones market stations .. that was about all this album had going for it .. unfortunately the rest of the album does not really age well .. if the price keeps dropping on this collection i might get it just to have it .. i guess it is a fun way to release some already released material and i kinda dig that but it isn't really unfairly maligned in any way .. musicology was his best middle of the road tame and lame comeback attempt .. this was bland on bland at its most bland prince ... and that is not a michael bland reference at all .. cuz he was pretty great | |
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Yeah IDK I was 23 at the time and lots of friends my age came home all the time so they heard it a lot and they usually said they liked what they were hearing alright, it was quite in the zeitgeist for a mainstream R&B/pop album of that time A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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The songs for the French shows were poorly chosen. One show he shouldn't have done at all, Tout Lara Fabian: this was variety songs for yo grandma, the anti-hip show by excellence, young people made lots of fun of him for playing there. TGRES was the right song I guess, but still... He shouldn't have done that show. Hit Machine was targeted at teens, so TGRES was the last thing to play there because the kids would fall asleep, it should have been a Undisputed, Hot Wit U or So Far So Pleased, something loud and dynamic the kids could relate to. Nulle Part Ailleurs had a hipper audience, basically 15-35 metropolitan target, and there playing Alphabet St. was OK but old news, and Baby Knows was a terrible choice because it was a very typically American, almost redneck song, not what this sophisticated audience would want. Prettyman would have been perfect for this one because funk was making a come back at the time, thought any of the 3 I mentioned above could have worked. . Now I realize Prince wasn't supposed to know the demographics of each foreign TV show, but either he or the label should have had people who did to advise him. Lol I remember the Hit Machine I was like 12. Charly and Lulu didn't know how to introduce him. It was like " And now Prince!" " No, he doesn't to be called Prince anymore" The performance and his appearance was weird. He looked like a has been that never got over the 80's like Culture Club. The song, TGRES was not only the piece of crap we all know, but the performance was in playback, and he hid his mouth with his hands constantly. No energy at all, it was like " please don't buy my records anymore" all over the performance. Prince was also dislikeable at the most, he didn't even said a word to the audience or to the hosters. A complete dushbag from head to toes. Even Culture Club (I think it was in the same show or shortly afterwards) had more energy and sympathy. | |
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. So here's the video you're talking about:
. Whether you like the song or not is entirely up to you, but calling it a p.o.c. will make you look like a douchebag, not Prince. It's not one of his greatest compositions (just as some of his greatest hits aren't either), but it's a good song, arrangement and performance. Certainly above his average, which is already way above the industry average. Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.
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Charly and fucking Lulu!! Lawd I had so totally forgotten about those clowns . Apparently it was not entirely playback on those EU shows: the horns and I believe some of the vocals too at least were live, but there was tape too. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Watching this footage again, I'd like to make a statement: In the name of all French people, I apologize for Charly and Lulu. I swear we removed them from TV since (at least I hope we did! Did we?) A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | ||
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And in case someone thinks this is as good as it's ever going to get, because doing more would be impossible: let me introduce you to the latest box set from King Crimson: http://www.superdeluxeedi...earth-box/ .
. Note that they have several box sets like this. Yet Prince fans claim such things would be impossible to compile, to prodice and to sell. © Bart Van Hemelen
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And the most interesting thing is that those are albums were originally released 3 decades after the band's golden age, not historically significant albums. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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His worst album ever | |
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. Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.
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Kares said:
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. It would've been nice to have some consistency in regards to the packaging format of the rereleases. Why is this a completely different format than Purple Rain Deluxe? I'm not a fan of that one either, but the Estate should've decided on one packaging format (and a couple of recurring, but subtle design elements such as a numbering system to the official releases) BEFORE they started reissuing anything and they should've stuck to it since. [Edited 4/14/19 14:07pm] Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.
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100% agree with all of that and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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. It's unfortunately common. Duran Duran's deluxe editions are a ridiculous mess, for instance. . There are plenty of DVD sets with inconsistent artworks, ditto books, etc. © Bart Van Hemelen
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. I know, but this really should not be the case with the Prince releases. His estate had (in fact, still has) a chance to start a whole new chapter and embark on a major release program for Prince's recorded legacy. It should be well designed, professionally researched, curated and produced – and the end result should be a unique, very high quality, desirable and collectable series that look great on the shelf. It should easily run well above a hundred or two hundred releases and continue to be financially profitable. (Yes, I'm convinced all this could be achieved if the Estate would listen...) Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.
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But again the estate is not in control of this packaging and such, BMG did all that stuff then for this one off album, just like 3121 was handled by another source and Planet Earth was handled by another, pretty much ALL of his reissues especially after he left WB i am sure are going to be totally bizarre some may be special some may not even be remastered, its a crapshoot. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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. The Estate CAN be in control if they want to. They license the material to WB and Sony. Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.
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At this point I think labels are coming to them and saying lets puts this out this way and that out that way. I mean no one was really calling for a RAVE reissue, I think this was more a chance to get his final works back in the stores or at least in print. Since basically everything he did after 1995 is really gone unless you get it used, I mean loyals have it but i think with this stuff they are just trying to get it back on the market again, RAVE is hardly a re-issue, its a package of 3 things already out put together in a sleeve. The artwork was all there, the photoshoots were in the possession of the label or whomever so its not really hard to box this one up and ship it and maybe you sell a thosand copies or so maybe. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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