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Reply #60 posted 01/17/19 2:43pm

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aalloca said:

NouveauDance said:

And respectful too, always respectful and in awe of his talent, drive and ability.

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She always qualifies what she says with the fact that she is giving her experience of her time with working with him, and no more. If she talks about something outside of her time, she says so - as she does here about Moonbeam Levels, she explicitly stats it's a story that was relayed to her because the song was recorded before her time with him.

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[Edited 1/17/19 7:27am]

agree 1000% she is absolutely top shelf class. and a book would be incredible.

she is also clearly a super genius herself with a savant like reference to music.

I deeply enjoy her comments.


Half the people here would accuse her of cashing in, call her a god digging liar and make up shitty nicknames to call her.

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Reply #61 posted 01/17/19 2:46pm

luvsexy4all

what about the "cocaine diet" Duane spoke of???

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Reply #62 posted 01/17/19 2:50pm

nelcp777

My comment about Crystal Ball was not insuating the Prince was on drugs when he did the track. Just the track in my head was trippy. I didnt't mean to cause any negative responses.

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Reply #63 posted 01/17/19 4:36pm

poppys

luvsexy4all said:

what about the "cocaine diet" Duane spoke of???


What about it? Off-topic comes to mind.

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Reply #64 posted 01/17/19 5:26pm

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NouveauDance said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I really wish she would write a book. She speaks so eloqently about him, and provides such an insight.



And respectful too, always respectful and in awe of his talent, drive and ability.

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She always qualifies what she says with the fact that she is giving her experience of her time with working with him, and no more. If she talks about something outside of her time, she says so - as she does here about Moonbeam Levels, she explicitly states it's a story that was relayed to her because the song was recorded before her time with him.

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And that is why Prince was incorrect to say she knows "nothing about his music" - which is the quote iirc. She doesn't claim to be in his head, she's just giving her opinion and her life experience. And whoever it is be it Wendy & Lisa, Alan Leeds, Shelby, Morris Hayes, even his hairdresser - it's their life experience and they can freely share it as they please. Unless they are saying something factually incorrect - they DO know something, because it's their life.


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No Child's a failure
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Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #65 posted 01/20/19 9:10am

mediumdry

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KoolEaze said:

That´s actually a wellknown fact that´s been confirmed by several people over the years, including Ingrid, Susan and Cat.

According to Cat she got the ecstacy from Anthony Kiedis (Red Hot Chili Peppers).

Yes and Anthony is Cat's cousin or something like that.

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Cat is the (half?) sister of Angelo Moore, the lead singer of Fishbone. Fishbone and the Red Hot Chili Peppers were 2 of the LA funk-rock scene that was big in the late 80's. So Cat was quite familiar with most of those LA bands.

Unfortunately it was not Fishbone that broke through big, they were by far the most talented and fun of that scene, but that's just my opinion and pet peeve smile

[Edited 1/20/19 9:11am]

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Reply #66 posted 01/22/19 9:51am

rednblue

bonatoc said:

rednblue said:


Not sure if you were saying this, but just want to point out that sonshine didn't refer to being high during a recording session, and also didn't say that she imagined P being high while playing Crystal Ball.

Of course, I should let her speak for herself as to what she was thinking about. It's just that you gave a specific example of tripping while recording. A track with a connection to drugs could be made wih the "under the influence" at any stage of creation. Also, at no stage of creation, in that it might be a track inspired by an earlier drug experience.



Dear rednblue, I seldom post to contradict an orger. I was just chiming in.
Maybe I shouldn't have hit "reply", I was just bouncing on what sonshine said.


Would like to think I can say the same.

It's funny, because I almost didn't hit "reply" myself, as part of me was finding what I'd typed to you to be grumpy and unnecessary. lol

Appreciate your posts here, and appreciate this discussion.

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Reply #67 posted 01/22/19 10:09am

poppys

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PennyPurple said:

Yes and Anthony is Cat's cousin or something like that.

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Cat is the (half?) sister of Angelo Moore, the lead singer of Fishbone. Fishbone and the Red Hot Chili Peppers were 2 of the LA funk-rock scene that was big in the late 80's. So Cat was quite familiar with most of those LA bands.

Unfortunately it was not Fishbone that broke through big, they were by far the most talented and fun of that scene, but that's just my opinion and pet peeve smile


I remember Fishbone, they were great. Sometimes it just doesn't make sense, talent-wise.

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Reply #68 posted 01/22/19 12:07pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Board as a stone in a rainstorm? or Boy loses girl in a rainstorm?

I've always heard 'boy loses girl in a rainstorm'. WTF is 'bored as a stone in a rainstorm'??? Susan R might be the one on acid...

[Edited 1/22/19 12:18pm]

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Reply #69 posted 01/23/19 2:03am

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Nonsense, Prince did not do drugs in the 80s - of course not:

Prince wasn't dumb, of course he was too clever to keep long away from that shit..

It's an insult to believe he was doing drugs.



(Ps to have pain and taking medicine against that, that's not the same imho)

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[Edited 1/23/19 2:03am]

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Reply #70 posted 01/23/19 2:22am

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thedance said:

Nonsense, Prince did not do drugs in the 80s - of course not:

Prince wasn't dumb, of course he was too clever to keep long away from that shit..

It's an insult to believe he was doing drugs.

Eh.... i'm gonna trust Susan Rogers over your moralizing on this one. shrug

Seems a very plausible story to me.

[Edited 1/23/19 2:30am]

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Reply #71 posted 01/23/19 9:13am

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Sounds about right. This thing is a hot awful mess you have to be really high to dig it.
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Reply #72 posted 01/23/19 2:07pm

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jaawwnn said:

thedance said:

Nonsense, Prince did not do drugs in the 80s - of course not:

Prince wasn't dumb, of course he was too clever to keep long away from that shit..

It's an insult to believe he was doing drugs.

Eh.... i'm gonna trust Susan Rogers over your moralizing on this one. shrug

Seems a very plausible story to me.

Ok cool with me, however:

I do keep away myself from drugs, why do you call that moralisation, hmm to me that good common sense,


Drugs are evil - moralisation or not.. sorry they truly are, period. wink

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Reply #73 posted 01/23/19 4:29pm

rednblue

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KoolEaze said:

That´s one reason why I´ve never tried LSD or mushrooms....the lack of control and the unpredictable effects. I´m surprised to see a huge comeback of psychedelic drugs these days, such as mushrooms, LSD and that vomit inducing plant that is so popular these days (ayahuasca?).

I can´t imagine Prince using such drugs more than once. wink


From a safety standpoinbt, psychadelics are extremely low risk provided you're in a safe environment and dont's try to drive or something. AS far as harm to you body, long term abuse or addicitve tendencies, you're good and, believe it or not, there's been some success treating depression and ptsd with them. They CAN open doors and widen a person's perceptions in lasting ways so in a certain sense I can see a positive in their increasing popularity.

BEtter than alcohol, coke, heroin and many legal pills.


Yes! As I'm sure you know, there has also been some success in treating other psychiatric conditions, including addiction.

I suspect that whether and how much these substances may be therapeutic/advisable will vary a lot from person to person. A very individual thing.

For the most part, I can't speak from personal experience with these substances. Other than alcohol, have no experience with any of the substances mentioned above. I've never smoked, and these days I don't even drink alcohol. I DO drink a ton of coffee.

To thedance and others who may see potential only for evil for everyone...while there are instances where a drug brings people nothing but misery and sometimes death, the following abstract and article is worth checking out if you are up for it. There are many articles that discuss the topic, in medical journals (as is the case with the abstract and article below) and other sorts of publications.

Title: "Go Ask Alice": The Case for Researching Schedule I Drugs."

"Abstract: The available treatments for disorders affecting large segments of the population are often costly, complex, and only marginally effective, and many have numerous side effects. These disorders include dementias, debilitating neurological disorders, the multiple types of drug addiction, and the spectrum of mental health disorders.Preliminary studies have shown that a variety of psychedelic and similar U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration Schedule I drugs may offer better treatment options than those that currently exist and pose potentially the same or even less risk than do legal psychoactive (alcohol, caffeine, nicotine) and nonpsychoactive (aspirin, acetaminophen, ibuprofen) substances. The pharmaceutical industry and academia, however, have largely avoided this avenue of research.Fairness to the affected populations demands that these drugs be adequately studied and, if they or their congeners are shown to be effective, made available with the proper caveats, instructions, and protections that other potentially abused medications (e.g., narcotics) receive. These substances may prove to relieve patients' struggles with less effective treatments and decrease mortality from nontreatment of some conditions."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih....d/30570473


Title: "Psychedelic drugs in the treatment of anxiety, depression and addiction"

Quote from this article:

"MAIN MESSAGE: There is growing interest in clinical trials of classic psychedelic drugs for the treatment of mental disorders. Classic psychedelic drugs appear to pose little risk of serious adverse effects. Classic psychedelic drugs, especially psilocybin, have been tested in several recent clinical trials, with promising results. Classic psychedelic drugs should be tested in systematic clinical trials to determine their therapeutic potential."


https://tidsskriftet.no/e...-addiction

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Reply #74 posted 01/24/19 4:09am

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thedance said:

jaawwnn said:

Eh.... i'm gonna trust Susan Rogers over your moralizing on this one. shrug

Seems a very plausible story to me.

Ok cool with me, however:

I do keep away myself from drugs, why do you call that moralisation, hmm to me that good common sense,


Drugs are evil - moralisation or not.. sorry they truly are, period. wink

Wow i'm convinced.

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Reply #75 posted 01/24/19 8:00am

mediumdry

thedance said:

Drugs are evil - moralisation or not.. sorry they truly are, period. wink

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Never a better opportunity to link to XKCD smile

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Are drugs only the things that are illegal? At what point does something become a drug? Is sugar? Blanket statements like this simply do not bring much clarity.

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For instance, people generally wouldn't go stand on a busy intersection with trucks and such to get some fresh air, yet the air there is a lot better for you than in most houses after cooking and having a candle or two lit in them.

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Moral relativism for the win! razz

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Reply #76 posted 01/24/19 10:57am

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mediumdry said:

thedance said:

Drugs are evil - moralisation or not.. sorry they truly are, period. wink

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Never a better opportunity to link to XKCD smile

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Are drugs only the things that are illegal? At what point does something become a drug? Is sugar? Blanket statements like this simply do not bring much clarity.

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For instance, people generally wouldn't go stand on a busy intersection with trucks and such to get some fresh air, yet the air there is a lot better for you than in most houses after cooking and having a candle or two lit in them.

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Moral relativism for the win! razz

Co-sign. As far as I´m concerned, all drugs should be legal.

That doesn´t mean that I´d use them but I am all for total legalization or at least decriminalization and legal weed.

Thanks for the link to that website. Never heard of it before. It´s hilarious.

" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"




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Reply #77 posted 01/24/19 11:10am

poppys

KoolEaze said:

mediumdry said:

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Never a better opportunity to link to XKCD smile

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Are drugs only the things that are illegal? At what point does something become a drug? Is sugar? Blanket statements like this simply do not bring much clarity.

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For instance, people generally wouldn't go stand on a busy intersection with trucks and such to get some fresh air, yet the air there is a lot better for you than in most houses after cooking and having a candle or two lit in them.

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Moral relativism for the win! razz


Co-sign. As far as I´m concerned, all drugs should be legal.

That doesn´t mean that I´d use them but I am all for total legalization or at least decriminalization and legal weed.

Thanks for the link to that website. Never heard of it before. It´s hilarious.

Agree.

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Reply #78 posted 01/24/19 6:38pm

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thedance said:

jaawwnn said:

Drugs are evil - moralisation or not.. sorry they truly are, period. wink

Because if there is one thing that is conclusive evidence of drugs being "evil" it is a random dude on the internet expressing his opinion on drugs and "evilness" as fact wink

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Reply #79 posted 01/24/19 6:39pm

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thedance said:

Nonsense, Prince did not do drugs in the 80s - of course not:

Prince wasn't dumb, of course he was too clever to keep long away from that shit..

It's an insult to believe he was doing drugs.

All in all we are a bunch of silly fans assuming stuff about a dude we never met, I would trust the people who knew him over a forum member saying there is no way he did lol

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Reply #80 posted 01/24/19 7:41pm

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How about this Moonbeam Levels New Age Acid Trip?





The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #81 posted 01/24/19 10:46pm

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rednblue said:



bonatoc said:




sonshine said:


nelcp777 said: I've always thought the same thing - Crystal Ball is trippy. Drug use is rampant in the music industry/business. It's a wonder Prince wasn't more into that scene. These one-off stories about a trip on this or that barely registers.


The ones who imagine Prince taking drugs during a recording session fool themselves big time.
Wanna hear some stoned funk? Try Sly's There's A Riot Going On.
Now that's some drugged-up clavinet.

Ain't no way you can play as tight as Prince while high, especially not the rythmic tracks on "Crystal Ball",
with all these time signature changes, triplets, stop-and-go's, sextolets and shit.
Any musician who tried will tell you: while you certainly can play while high,
it's going to be either too loose, or too frantic. Which can serve the purpose.
But it won't have the laser-like precision in the groove that is typical from Prince.

You can snore cocaine and record Tusk, but it's going to take months of overdubs collage and editing.
Or you can have a big reefer and record in a half-asleep state.
Or take a big acid and come up with such abominations it requires a big acid to bear them.
Or take amphetamins and go for 1999 BPMs.

Prince's rhythmic tracks are, for the vast majority,
FIRST and ONLY takes. Quick, we have overdubs to do.
Hence the inexplicable recording pace.
Good luck filling the Vault while on psychotropes.
It would be a 10th, probably much less, of the size it is.



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Not sure if you were saying this, but just want to point out that sonshine didn't refer to being high during a recording session, and also didn't say that she imagined P being high while playing Crystal Ball.

Of course, I should let her speak for herself as to what she was thinking about. It's just that you gave a specific example of tripping while recording. A track with a connection to drugs could be made wih the "under the influence" at any stage of creation. Also, at no stage of creation, in that it might be a track inspired by an earlier drug experience.


Yes, I merely meant the track has a trippy vibe smile It never crossed my mind that P himself was tripping. As someone else mentioned the level at which he performed seems improbable under the influence of psychedelics. But I'm no expert wink
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Reply #82 posted 01/25/19 5:09am

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thedance said:

jaawwnn said:

Eh.... i'm gonna trust Susan Rogers over your moralizing on this one. shrug

Seems a very plausible story to me.

Ok cool with me, however:

I do keep away myself from drugs, why do you call that moralisation, hmm to me that good common sense,


Drugs are evil - moralisation or not.. sorry they truly are, period. wink


WRONG.

Pure moral relativism.

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Reply #83 posted 01/25/19 6:01am

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herb4 said:

thedance said:

Ok cool with me, however:

I do keep away myself from drugs, why do you call that moralisation, hmm to me that good common sense,


Drugs are evil - moralisation or not.. sorry they truly are, period. wink


WRONG.

Pure moral relativism.


I agree. History shows it has always been relevant, in many societies.
But you gotta go waaay back.

The thing, you don't want to put those pink glasses on all day long.
Or all week long. TIll the point the days look gray. Then it's the shits.

It's too precious too bathe in it. It's about sipping.

And, oh, the revelations...

I'm partial to anything non-natural. Anything chemical,
I've always stayed away from. Witnessed a friend of mine die way too young.
It schooled me for good. He loved George Benson and was making an hilarious playback of George.
He's missed.


The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #84 posted 01/25/19 4:55pm

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thedance said:

I do keep away myself from drugs, why do you call that moralisation, hmm to me that good common sense

Drugs are evil - moralisation or not.. sorry they truly are, period. wink


Morality is relative, not a constant. What's evil to you is fine for others. While I'm not advocating for everyone to use hard drugs, I will always advocate for personal choice. Your choice is no one else's business, nor is theirs yours.

Personally, I don't do drugs either. Never have (except one bad edibles situation). I do use CBD oil for pain and only when I need it (not even once a week). I have many friends who smoke weed. I place no judgment on them for it. I mean, if someone wants to get preachy about the evils of drugs - let's talk about the opioid epidemic in the U.S., nicotine, salt, refined sugar & high fructose corn syrup, sodas, fried foods, the fact that less than 10 items on a McDonald's menu do not have sugar in them (sugar being a known addictive substance), and so forth. The war on drugs in the U.S. did nothing but fill up prisons with non-white non-violent "offenders". It was a war on the poor and the minorities. It was a broad sweeping campaign to demonize anything not W.A.S.P. friendly.

In short, make your own choices. No one will judge you for them. But don't judge others for what they do (cuz chile I could flip your proverbial wig with the sexual stuff I've been part of in the 32 years of my adult life).

PS Prince did drugs, enough, and they killed them.

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Reply #85 posted 01/25/19 5:40pm

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Well, we know for sure that Prince was not always honest when answering interview questions, but if we believe him that he was honest with his song lyrics then he has a bunch of songs that speak the "anti-drug" sentiment:

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Pop Life

Dream Factory

Eye No

The Good Life

The Undertaker

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Just to name a few....I know there are more

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With the exception of the E trip in '87 I don't think he was a recreational drug user. Like Bonatoc said, no way he could have maintained his playing/recording schedule while tripping on a regular basis.

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Reply #86 posted 01/25/19 6:28pm

rednblue

violetcrush said:

Well, we know for sure that Prince was not always honest when answering interview questions, but if we believe him that he was honest with his song lyrics then he has a bunch of songs that speak the "anti-drug" sentiment:

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Pop Life

Dream Factory

Eye No

The Good Life

The Undertaker

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Just to name a few....I know there are more

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With the exception of the E trip in '87 I don't think he was a recreational drug user. Like Bonatoc said, no way he could have maintained his playing/recording schedule while tripping on a regular basis.


Now that's a list of fantastic songs! Was playing The Good Life in the car just now.

As you'd probably agree, sometimes people who are relatively wise and cautious about alcohol and drug use end up in a tougher place (with a drug) than those who are a bit reckless. Not to say there's not good correlation between caution/wisdom and outcome, but predispositions and environmental influences keep the playing field far from even.

This last thing is in NO way intended as a contradiction of your last statement. For one, I don't know anything about playing/recording music. : ) With substances legal and illegal, effects (of one substance vs. another) on cognition and energy vary greatly.

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Reply #87 posted 01/25/19 6:31pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Sounds about right. This thing is a hot awful mess you have to be really high to dig it.


rolleyes I've never been high in my entire life and this is my favorite song ever, so there goes your crackpot theory. rolleyes

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Reply #88 posted 01/25/19 6:33pm

rednblue

TrivialPursuit said:

thedance said:

I do keep away myself from drugs, why do you call that moralisation, hmm to me that good common sense

Drugs are evil - moralisation or not.. sorry they truly are, period. wink


Morality is relative, not a constant. What's evil to you is fine for others. While I'm not advocating for everyone to use hard drugs, I will always advocate for personal choice. Your choice is no one else's business, nor is theirs yours.

Personally, I don't do drugs either. Never have (except one bad edibles situation). I do use CBD oil for pain and only when I need it (not even once a week). I have many friends who smoke weed. I place no judgment on them for it. I mean, if someone wants to get preachy about the evils of drugs - let's talk about the opioid epidemic in the U.S., nicotine, salt, refined sugar & high fructose corn syrup, sodas, fried foods, the fact that less than 10 items on a McDonald's menu do not have sugar in them (sugar being a known addictive substance), and so forth. The war on drugs in the U.S. did nothing but fill up prisons with non-white non-violent "offenders". It was a war on the poor and the minorities. It was a broad sweeping campaign to demonize anything not W.A.S.P. friendly.

In short, make your own choices. No one will judge you for them. But don't judge others for what they do (cuz chile I could flip your proverbial wig with the sexual stuff I've been part of in the 32 years of my adult life).

PS Prince did drugs, enough, and they killed them.


YES...times a thousand!

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Reply #89 posted 01/25/19 6:42pm

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calling bullshit on this one...Susan has never talked shit on Prince and no way would she say this now.

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