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Reply #120 posted 01/13/19 7:10pm

sonshine

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June7 said:



sonshine said:


I am going to try and make a point then I will leave this thread as I am one that doesn't like the direction these threads always go. Firstly, my sympathies to Tomas on the loss of your son. I recently experienced a similar loss and completely understand the desire to keep a loved one's memory alive, and the pain of basically being abandoned in your despair. I wish I didn't know what you are going through as this isn't a club anyone wants to join. I share June7's opinion about grieving and support an individual's journey thru the grief process, but I do not believe that is the motive for the folks heavily involved in these threads. Personally, I would be mortified and deeply hurt/offended by people discussing the details of my loved one's passing. You will have to forgive me for being insulted that people here are trying to pass off diving nose first into none of their business as "grieving". Please.

First, thank you for your sympathies, means a lot to me. Today, well 5 minutes ago, so yesterday was a year, and it's been tough.



Also, I appreciate your comment regarding the thread. It was cordial and written with class - no flaming or creating drama (though that last sentence was borderline wink ).




When I decided to let this continue, it wasn't for my own grief process - I have other outlets in which to discuss my son's death, though, because of my position here for two decades, it was posted, and the response from the members here were deeply felt by me and my Ex, my son and my daughter. I was in awe of the amount of people who commented on the situatuon, and offered their support. It helped a lot.




I somewhat agree with you that not all the talk in here is specifically grieving, some are actually piecing together the events of that horrible day. The thing is, you can't really and truly know if their process is NOT grieving. Everyone handles grief in different ways. There's no way to list all of the ways people work when dealing with grief, and I'm not licensed in any way to consider which is what, or who is allowed to grieve and who isn't.




However, having said that, the thread is titled, "The Prince Death & Investigation Thread" which should make it obvious that what's discussed in this thread is both. I know some people who consider talking about it, any of it, is carthartic. I am not one to disagree or agree - just offer the venue.




I'm sorry you're insulted, and I'm also sorry you feel it improper to discuss this here, but, you're wrong about it not being our business - this whole site is about Prince's business and it has made it a point to get into every aspect of his life (and now death) for all this time.. The family has accepted this as fact when they inclluded us in their arrangements of services at special venues, dedications in the program for his funeral, special access interviews to family members and as a sounding board, etc. They recognize we are the formost unofficial fansite and we are so honored to be so for over 23 years. Not one of them have contacted us with a request to please cease this discussion. But, again, I appreciate your thoughts on this, and hope if you continue to post in this thread, that you continue to do so as you did today. - Thank you, June7 / Tomás



I understand. Thanks for your reply. And as promised I will stay off this thread since I can't help but find the subject matter repulsive. Then again I'm only six weeks from the tragic accident that claimed my husband's life so admittedly I'm super sensitive. As they say different strokes for different folks and that applies even to processing grief I suppose. Have a nice day and thank u for all u do here. Continued peace and healing to you and your family.
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Reply #121 posted 01/13/19 7:32pm

rednblue

sonshine said:

June7 said:

First, thank you for your sympathies, means a lot to me. Today, well 5 minutes ago, so yesterday was a year, and it's been tough.

Also, I appreciate your comment regarding the thread. It was cordial and written with class - no flaming or creating drama (though that last sentence was borderline wink ).


When I decided to let this continue, it wasn't for my own grief process - I have other outlets in which to discuss my son's death, though, because of my position here for two decades, it was posted, and the response from the members here were deeply felt by me and my Ex, my son and my daughter. I was in awe of the amount of people who commented on the situatuon, and offered their support. It helped a lot.

I somewhat agree with you that not all the talk in here is specifically grieving, some are actually piecing together the events of that horrible day. The thing is, you can't really and truly know if their process is NOT grieving. Everyone handles grief in different ways. There's no way to list all of the ways people work when dealing with grief, and I'm not licensed in any way to consider which is what, or who is allowed to grieve and who isn't.

However, having said that, the thread is titled, "The Prince Death & Investigation Thread" which should make it obvious that what's discussed in this thread is both. I know some people who consider talking about it, any of it, is carthartic. I am not one to disagree or agree - just offer the venue.

I'm sorry you're insulted, and I'm also sorry you feel it improper to discuss this here, but, you're wrong about it not being our business - this whole site is about Prince's business and it has made it a point to get into every aspect of his life (and now death) for all this time.. The family has accepted this as fact when they inclluded us in their arrangements of services at special venues, dedications in the program for his funeral, special access interviews to family members and as a sounding board, etc. They recognize we are the formost unofficial fansite and we are so honored to be so for over 23 years. Not one of them have contacted us with a request to please cease this discussion. But, again, I appreciate your thoughts on this, and hope if you continue to post in this thread, that you continue to do so as you did today. - Thank you, June7 / Tomás

I understand. Thanks for your reply. And as promised I will stay off this thread since I can't help but find the subject matter repulsive. Then again I'm only six weeks from the tragic accident that claimed my husband's life so admittedly I'm super sensitive. As they say different strokes for different folks and that applies even to processing grief I suppose. Have a nice day and thank u for all u do here. Continued peace and healing to you and your family.


Just heartbreaking. Deep love is so precious. To have it taken away...no words.

The Prince quote at the end of your posts means so much. I love that people see it every time you post. I'm still thinking about an answer to the "Love 4 one another - What Does That Mean To You?" thread. Your "tagline" quote is the first thing I thought of when I saw the question.

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Reply #122 posted 01/13/19 8:56pm

peggyon

Might explain why the clothes were on backwards.

There is often a degree of 'messiness' with this type of death, there could have been some clean-up here and there. Might not have gotten on the sheets, though.

I am fine not talking about this further as it can be upsetting.

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Reply #123 posted 01/13/19 9:55pm

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peggyon said:

Might explain why the clothes were on backwards.

There is often a degree of 'messiness' with this type of death, there could have been some clean-up here and there. Might not have gotten on the sheets, though.

I am fine not talking about this further as it can be upsetting.

[Edited 1/13/19 21:02pm]

I agree Peggy, in fact I probably won't be keeping up on this thread.

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Reply #124 posted 01/13/19 11:01pm

peggyon

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

Might explain why the clothes were on backwards.

There is often a degree of 'messiness' with this type of death, there could have been some clean-up here and there. Might not have gotten on the sheets, though.

I am fine not talking about this further as it can be upsetting.

[Edited 1/13/19 21:02pm]

I agree Peggy, in fact I probably won't be keeping up on this thread.

I will likely remain but I understand

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Reply #125 posted 01/14/19 3:02pm

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Prince's clothing on backwards socks included always got to me.
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Reply #126 posted 01/14/19 4:23pm

luvsexy4all

was /is the investigation sloppy because its Minn?? a bigger city would ve been more precise??

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Reply #127 posted 01/14/19 6:06pm

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luvsexy4all said:

was /is the investigation sloppy because its Minn?? a bigger city would ve been more precise??

interesting question...and we can't discount the corrosive and unhelpful aspect of 'celebrity'...which distorts and changes everything it touches IMO.

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Reply #128 posted 01/14/19 8:41pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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luvsexy4all said:

was /is the investigation sloppy because its Minn?? a bigger city would ve been more precise??



Yes.

Small suburbs usually do not have a lot of complex death investigations.

This is one of the reasons why the DEA was called in to help.

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Reply #129 posted 01/15/19 3:32am

MoBettaBliss

June7 said:

sonshine said:

I am going to try and make a point then I will leave this thread as I am one that doesn't like the direction these threads always go. Firstly, my sympathies to Tomas on the loss of your son. I recently experienced a similar loss and completely understand the desire to keep a loved one's memory alive, and the pain of basically being abandoned in your despair. I wish I didn't know what you are going through as this isn't a club anyone wants to join. I share June7's opinion about grieving and support an individual's journey thru the grief process, but I do not believe that is the motive for the folks heavily involved in these threads. Personally, I would be mortified and deeply hurt/offended by people discussing the details of my loved one's passing. You will have to forgive me for being insulted that people here are trying to pass off diving nose first into none of their business as "grieving". Please.

First, thank you for your sympathies, means a lot to me. Today, well 5 minutes ago, so yesterday was a year, and it's been tough.

Also, I appreciate your comment regarding the thread. It was cordial and written with class - no flaming or creating drama (though that last sentence was borderline wink ).


When I decided to let this continue, it wasn't for my own grief process - I have other outlets in which to discuss my son's death, though, because of my position here for two decades, it was posted, and the response from the members here were deeply felt by me and my Ex, my son and my daughter. I was in awe of the amount of people who commented on the situatuon, and offered their support. It helped a lot.

I somewhat agree with you that not all the talk in here is specifically grieving, some are actually piecing together the events of that horrible day. The thing is, you can't really and truly know if their process is NOT grieving. Everyone handles grief in different ways. There's no way to list all of the ways people work when dealing with grief, and I'm not licensed in any way to consider which is what, or who is allowed to grieve and who isn't.

However, having said that, the thread is titled, "The Prince Death & Investigation Thread" which should make it obvious that what's discussed in this thread is both. I know some people who consider talking about it, any of it, is carthartic. I am not one to disagree or agree - just offer the venue.

I'm sorry you're insulted, and I'm also sorry you feel it improper to discuss this here, but, you're wrong about it not being our business - this whole site is about Prince's business and it has made it a point to get into every aspect of his life (and now death) for all this time.. The family has accepted this as fact when they inclluded us in their arrangements of services at special venues, dedications in the program for his funeral, special access interviews to family members and as a sounding board, etc. They recognize we are the formost unofficial fansite and we are so honored to be so for over 23 years. Not one of them have contacted us with a request to please cease this discussion. But, again, I appreciate your thoughts on this, and hope if you continue to post in this thread, that you continue to do so as you did today. - Thank you, June7 / Tomás



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Reply #130 posted 01/15/19 4:14pm

luvsexy4all

I need to see his dead body or I would think he might still be alive.

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Reply #131 posted 01/15/19 7:00pm

upinclouds

These threads are interesting, others have picked up on things I haven't noticed before.

I think some of the naysayers are genuinely looking out for Prince, and I think there are others that may be "cleaners". guilt much?

I want to see the people who sold & gave him those pills charged. That would be justice for Prince & hopefully an eye opening lesson for most about street pills.

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Reply #132 posted 01/15/19 9:05pm

sonshine

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MoBettaBliss said:



June7 said:




sonshine said:


I am going to try and make a point then I will leave this thread as I am one that doesn't like the direction these threads always go. Firstly, my sympathies to Tomas on the loss of your son. I recently experienced a similar loss and completely understand the desire to keep a loved one's memory alive, and the pain of basically being abandoned in your despair. I wish I didn't know what you are going through as this isn't a club anyone wants to join. I share June7's opinion about grieving and support an individual's journey thru the grief process, but I do not believe that is the motive for the folks heavily involved in these threads. Personally, I would be mortified and deeply hurt/offended by people discussing the details of my loved one's passing. You will have to forgive me for being insulted that people here are trying to pass off diving nose first into none of their business as "grieving". Please.

First, thank you for your sympathies, means a lot to me. Today, well 5 minutes ago, so yesterday was a year, and it's been tough.



Also, I appreciate your comment regarding the thread. It was cordial and written with class - no flaming or creating drama (though that last sentence was borderline wink ).




When I decided to let this continue, it wasn't for my own grief process - I have other outlets in which to discuss my son's death, though, because of my position here for two decades, it was posted, and the response from the members here were deeply felt by me and my Ex, my son and my daughter. I was in awe of the amount of people who commented on the situatuon, and offered their support. It helped a lot.




I somewhat agree with you that not all the talk in here is specifically grieving, some are actually piecing together the events of that horrible day. The thing is, you can't really and truly know if their process is NOT grieving. Everyone handles grief in different ways. There's no way to list all of the ways people work when dealing with grief, and I'm not licensed in any way to consider which is what, or who is allowed to grieve and who isn't.




However, having said that, the thread is titled, "The Prince Death & Investigation Thread" which should make it obvious that what's discussed in this thread is both. I know some people who consider talking about it, any of it, is carthartic. I am not one to disagree or agree - just offer the venue.




I'm sorry you're insulted, and I'm also sorry you feel it improper to discuss this here, but, you're wrong about it not being our business - this whole site is about Prince's business and it has made it a point to get into every aspect of his life (and now death) for all this time.. The family has accepted this as fact when they inclluded us in their arrangements of services at special venues, dedications in the program for his funeral, special access interviews to family members and as a sounding board, etc. They recognize we are the formost unofficial fansite and we are so honored to be so for over 23 years. Not one of them have contacted us with a request to please cease this discussion. But, again, I appreciate your thoughts on this, and hope if you continue to post in this thread, that you continue to do so as you did today. - Thank you, June7 / Tomás






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Reply #133 posted 01/15/19 9:06pm

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upinclouds said:

These threads are interesting, others have picked up on things I haven't noticed before.


I think some of the naysayers are genuinely looking out for Prince, and I think there are others that may be "cleaners". guilt much?


I want to see the people who sold & gave him those pills charged. That would be justice for Prince & hopefully an eye opening lesson for most about street pills.


Not going to happen. The time when that may have been possible came and went a long time ago. Just sayin'.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #134 posted 01/16/19 8:36am

ISaidLifeIsJus
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sonshine said:

Honestly, I couldn't agree more. But the ones who don't just come on here and say to stay out of these threads if that's how we feel. So I gave up trying to persuade them to let it go. Some people are twisted that's all I got.


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Reply #135 posted 01/16/19 9:04am

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Reply #136 posted 01/16/19 4:52pm

luvsexy4all

if there are parties responsible then God will do a number on them...i just want the truth

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Reply #137 posted 01/17/19 6:55pm

funksterr

luvsexy4all said:

if there are parties responsible then God will do a number on them...i just want the truth

No you don't. The truth is bizarre AF. It's illogical. You won't accept it even when you hear it.

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Reply #138 posted 01/17/19 8:10pm

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funksterr said:

luvsexy4all said:

if there are parties responsible then God will do a number on them...i just want the truth

No you don't. The truth is bizarre AF. It's illogical. You won't accept it even when you hear it.

I agree that much of what we do know about Prince's death is bizarre and illogical and I'm sure that many here would be blown away if we knew it all. I think that's why it's so hard to walk away from the unanswered questions and inconsistancies...can't live with the truth...can't live without it.

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Reply #139 posted 01/18/19 8:45am

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^^^^
True, how he died makes no f'ing sense from the near death incident on the plane one week before he died, his pill usage, the massive amounts of Fentanyl in his body, how he was about to get help the next day for his dependence on pain pills,but then is found in an elevator dead with his clothes on backward, no will, and Kirk, Meron, Phaedra and Tyka aren't speaking and did not help the authorities with his death investigation, no one else in his circle past and current are not speaking either, and now the death investigation is closed with just a determination that it was an accidental overdose of Fentanyl mind you he had MASSIVE amounts of it in his system and doesnt ring alarm bells to anyone. So yeah, his death is shrouded in mystery and fuckery. And yet people want us to shut up and question why we still wanna beat a dead horse and let Prince rest in peace. Prince is gone he doesn't care one bit what we all say and think now. I cannot believe how he went out and how his "friends and family" reacted in the aftermath. It is unreal.
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Reply #140 posted 01/18/19 9:09am

PennyPurple

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funksterr said:

luvsexy4all said:

if there are parties responsible then God will do a number on them...i just want the truth

No you don't. The truth is bizarre AF. It's illogical. You won't accept it even when you hear it.

I think we are all adult enough to know the truth and to deal with it.

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Reply #141 posted 01/18/19 12:11pm

Bodhitheblackd
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AnnaStesia10 said:

^^^^ True, how he died makes no f'ing sense from the near death incident on the plane one week before he died, his pill usage, the massive amounts of Fentanyl in his body, how he was about to get help the next day for his dependence on pain pills,but then is found in an elevator dead with his clothes on backward, no will, and Kirk, Meron, Phaedra and Tyka aren't speaking and did not help the authorities with his death investigation, no one else in his circle past and current are not speaking either, and now the death investigation is closed with just a determination that it was an accidental overdose of Fentanyl mind you he had MASSIVE amounts of it in his system and doesnt ring alarm bells to anyone. So yeah, his death is shrouded in mystery and fuckery. And yet people want us to shut up and question why we still wanna beat a dead horse and let Prince rest in peace. Prince is gone he doesn't care one bit what we all say and think now. I cannot believe how he went out and how his "friends and family" reacted in the aftermath. It is unreal.

WOW...you nailed it!!! yes

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Reply #142 posted 01/18/19 1:26pm

leec1

Bodhitheblackdog said:



AnnaStesia10 said:


^^^^ True, how he died makes no f'ing sense from the near death incident on the plane one week before he died, his pill usage, the massive amounts of Fentanyl in his body, how he was about to get help the next day for his dependence on pain pills,but then is found in an elevator dead with his clothes on backward, no will, and Kirk, Meron, Phaedra and Tyka aren't speaking and did not help the authorities with his death investigation, no one else in his circle past and current are not speaking either, and now the death investigation is closed with just a determination that it was an accidental overdose of Fentanyl mind you he had MASSIVE amounts of it in his system and doesnt ring alarm bells to anyone. So yeah, his death is shrouded in mystery and fuckery. And yet people want us to shut up and question why we still wanna beat a dead horse and let Prince rest in peace. Prince is gone he doesn't care one bit what we all say and think now. I cannot believe how he went out and how his "friends and family" reacted in the aftermath. It is unreal.

WOW...you nailed it!!! yes


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Reply #143 posted 01/18/19 4:22pm

Dimitri10

leec1 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:



AnnaStesia10 said:


^^^^ True, how he died makes no f'ing sense from the near death incident on the plane one week before he died, his pill usage, the massive amounts of Fentanyl in his body, how he was about to get help the next day for his dependence on pain pills,but then is found in an elevator dead with his clothes on backward, no will, and Kirk, Meron, Phaedra and Tyka aren't speaking and did not help the authorities with his death investigation, no one else in his circle past and current are not speaking either, and now the death investigation is closed with just a determination that it was an accidental overdose of Fentanyl mind you he had MASSIVE amounts of it in his system and doesnt ring alarm bells to anyone. So yeah, his death is shrouded in mystery and fuckery. And yet people want us to shut up and question why we still wanna beat a dead horse and let Prince rest in peace. Prince is gone he doesn't care one bit what we all say and think now. I cannot believe how he went out and how his "friends and family" reacted in the aftermath. It is unreal.

WOW...you nailed it!!! yes


Cosign


Agree 100% the whole situation is fked up
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Reply #144 posted 01/18/19 10:52pm

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Fascinating ..Just came onto my facebook feed...

WOW...

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Reply #145 posted 01/19/19 7:19am

Bodhitheblackd
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Lovejunky said:

Fascinating ..Just came onto my facebook feed...

WOW...

[Edited 1/18/19 22:58pm]

like I said recently, 'celebrity' changes/pollutes everything it touches....great addition to this thread...so, either Tyka was granted extraordinary considerations bc her brother was so famous OR there are aspects to the HOMOCIDE INVESTIGATION SURROUNDING PRINCE'S DEATH that have yet to see the light of day..(.which makes this thread so unbearably, sadly important) OR Tyka was prepared, just waiting for this 'inevitable' OD OR....

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Reply #146 posted 01/19/19 11:14am

luvsexy4all

dont understand why some people say we know the truth ..and cant accept it...bullocks

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Reply #147 posted 01/19/19 7:08pm

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AnnaStesia10 said:

^^^^
True, how he died makes no f'ing sense from the near death incident on the plane one week before he died, his pill usage, the massive amounts of Fentanyl in his body, how he was about to get help the next day for his dependence on pain pills,but then is found in an elevator dead with his clothes on backward, no will, and Kirk, Meron, Phaedra and Tyka aren't speaking and did not help the authorities with his death investigation, no one else in his circle past and current are not speaking either, and now the death investigation is closed with just a determination that it was an accidental overdose of Fentanyl mind you he had MASSIVE amounts of it in his system and doesnt ring alarm bells to anyone. So yeah, his death is shrouded in mystery and fuckery. And yet people want us to shut up and question why we still wanna beat a dead horse and let Prince rest in peace. Prince is gone he doesn't care one bit what we all say and think now. I cannot believe how he went out and how his "friends and family" reacted in the aftermath. It is unreal.

Glad you posted this. Agree with you. His death was no accident and IMO was not his doing.
I have been listening to all the Piano and microphone Australia shows....he performed great not like someone in trouble with an out of control drug habit needing rehab. The media lies hurt so much, he deserved better...
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Reply #148 posted 01/19/19 8:22pm

ladygirl99

funksterr said:

luvsexy4all said:

if there are parties responsible then God will do a number on them...i just want the truth

No you don't. The truth is bizarre AF. It's illogical. You won't accept it even when you hear it.

I knew there is more to his death than meets the eye and I had been saying this for nearly the last three years. Some of the fans are pissed off at us who got the idea what happened and speaking riddles and cryptic but that frustrated should go toward the family and estate.

I understand some people would still say, What actually happened to him isn't the fans business but the problem is fans are the only one are left out of the dark. But damn I want some closure. I fucking hate how his family and the associates and even people out West in the industry know more but selling some bullshit drug junkie narrative not saying the word because of fear of tainted his legacy. I saw in my own eyes on Facebook that some of P's distant relatives said we don't know the whole story and his death wasn't a simple OD. I even read comments off of Yahoo from the people (a hairdresser and musician) who said, There was more to his death than just some opioid overdose. And members of his final entourage were hinting the same. Rumour had it that people on Facebook who lives in Minni got information from Tyka got the real info of his death and she was telling folks it wasn't a simple OD, and she was preparing for the outcome.

I want to know did he took drugs only because of body pain from performing or did he had some underlying disease or both?

There is so much redacted going on with court documents and police ones too I don't know what to trust anymore.

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Reply #149 posted 01/19/19 9:44pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

AnnaStesia10 said:
^^^^ True, how he died makes no f'ing sense from the near death incident on the plane one week before he died, his pill usage, the massive amounts of Fentanyl in his body, how he was about to get help the next day for his dependence on pain pills,but then is found in an elevator dead with his clothes on backward, no will, and Kirk, Meron, Phaedra and Tyka aren't speaking and did not help the authorities with his death investigation, no one else in his circle past and current are not speaking either, and now the death investigation is closed with just a determination that it was an accidental overdose of Fentanyl mind you he had MASSIVE amounts of it in his system and doesnt ring alarm bells to anyone. So yeah, his death is shrouded in mystery and fuckery. And yet people want us to shut up and question why we still wanna beat a dead horse and let Prince rest in peace. Prince is gone he doesn't care one bit what we all say and think now. I cannot believe how he went out and how his "friends and family" reacted in the aftermath. It is unreal.
Glad you posted this. Agree with you. His death was no accident and IMO was not his doing. I have been listening to all the Piano and microphone Australia shows....he performed great not like someone in trouble with an out of control drug habit needing rehab. The media lies hurt so much, he deserved better...



You must have not looked at the photos, which clearly showed P was having serious problems.

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