leec1 said:

Menes said:

If anyone has the time and can let me know which of the pills was the crushed up or half pill in the tissue next to the bed, I would appreciate that very much. Also, were all of the half pills the fentanyl pills ? 'Till tomorrow.

Hi Menes:

Good to see you are back.

I checked Investigation Report No. 1 (Pages 14-15) and it didn't show a pill in tissue next to the bed.

There were pills mentioned found in tissue paper in the jewelry box. Would this be the pills you are referring to?

and, to stir the pot, there was a pill tangled up in his bedding

leec1 said:

Menes said:

If anyone has the time and can let me know which of the pills was the crushed up or half pill in the tissue next to the bed, I would appreciate that very much. Also, were all of the half pills the fentanyl pills ? 'Till tomorrow.

Hi Menes:

Good to see you are back.

I checked Investigation Report No. 1 (Pages 14-15) and it didn't show a pill in tissue next to the bed.

There were pills mentioned found in tissue paper in the jewelry box. Would this be the pills you are referring to?

Thanks for the welcome.

I think those are the same pills that were next to bed in his bedroom (possibly in jewelry box next to the bed)? I don't recall where they were exactly. What are those pills in the tissue in the jewelry box ( vicodin, fentanyl)?

Concerning the fentanyl pills w/lidocaine, were some of them halved or were all of them whole?

This will give us a very good idea of dosing as well as whether or not there was an escalation within those 7 days. He should not have been functional at all during those 7 days with such amounts of combined loads right after an overdose. . He should have been out of it. For all practical purposes, dead. Which brings me to the path of trying to make some sense of it all.

I am on to the metabolic rates of each . As I've posted before, there is great suspicion that this was not a random buy, nor a one and off. It seems very calculated.

Just a quick note.

The amount of hydromorphone (dialudid) reported to be in Prince' system from the test on 4-20 was 87 ng/ml? That is well within range of what is considered capable of producing a fatal concentration. In addition, Hydrocodone, ( vicodin?) is the mixed combination used with the dialudid. I don't see anything that would show the use of percocet (oxycodone-acetaminophen?) although there seems to be pills missing.He must have taken those between the 14th and the 17th and excreted it before the 20th. *More than likely in Atlanta or thereabouts.

Menes said:

leec1 said:

Hi Menes:

Good to see you are back.

I checked Investigation Report No. 1 (Pages 14-15) and it didn't show a pill in tissue next to the bed.

There were pills mentioned found in tissue paper in the jewelry box. Would this be the pills you are referring to?

Thanks for the welcome.

I think those are the same pills that were next to bed in his bedroom (possibly in jewelry box next to the bed)? I don't recall where they were exactly. What are those pills in the tissue in the jewelry box ( vicodin, fentanyl)?

Concerning the fentanyl pills w/lidocaine, were some of them halved or were all of them whole?

This will give us a very good idea of dosing as well as whether or not there was an escalation within those 7 days. He should not have been functional at all during those 7 days with such amounts of combined loads right after an overdose. . He should have been out of it. For all practical purposes, dead. Which brings me to the path of trying to make some sense of it all.

I am on to the metabolic rates of each . As I've posted before, there is great suspicion that this was not a random buy, nor a one and off. It seems very calculated.

I checked the evidence log in Investigation Report No. 1 and then the test results in Investigation Report No. 2 and I find the following.

A. Pills on the nightstand in Bayer bottle totalling 64 1/2 pills stamped Watson 853- these are the pills that are fentanyl and lidocaine that were sent to the DEA to see if they could determine if they had seen similar pills with this composition. The DEA stated they didn't see this pill composition previously but that didn't seem to odd to them because they have experience of finding pills that have been mixed with whatever is available.

B. Pills found in the second floor dressing room in white tissue paper in the jewelry box totalling 15 pills stamped Watson 853- these pills were fentanyl when tested

leec1 said:

Menes said:

Thanks for the welcome.

I think those are the same pills that were next to bed in his bedroom (possibly in jewelry box next to the bed)? I don't recall where they were exactly. What are those pills in the tissue in the jewelry box ( vicodin, fentanyl)?

Concerning the fentanyl pills w/lidocaine, were some of them halved or were all of them whole?

This will give us a very good idea of dosing as well as whether or not there was an escalation within those 7 days. He should not have been functional at all during those 7 days with such amounts of combined loads right after an overdose. . He should have been out of it. For all practical purposes, dead. Which brings me to the path of trying to make some sense of it all.

I am on to the metabolic rates of each . As I've posted before, there is great suspicion that this was not a random buy, nor a one and off. It seems very calculated.

I checked the evidence log in Investigation Report No. 1 and then the test results in Investigation Report No. 2 and I find the following.

A. Pills on the nightstand in Bayer bottle totalling 64 1/2 pills stamped Watson 853- these are the pills that are fentanyl and lidocaine that were sent to the DEA to see if they could determine if they had seen similar pills with this composition. The DEA stated they didn't see this pill composition previously but that didn't seem to odd to them because they have experience of finding pills that have been mixed with whatever is available.

B. Pills found in the second floor dressing room in white tissue paper in the jewelry box totalling 15 pills stamped Watson 853- these pills were fentanyl when tested

Were any of the fentanyl pills halved? If not, which pills were halved? Dialudid pills maybe?

PennyPurple said:

Hi Penny, I assume these are you personal notes? Can you tell me which pills were halved? Thanks.

[Edited 2/23/19 12:32pm]

No, these are the detective notes, I'll try to find the 1/2 pills though.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Hi Peny, I assume these are you personal notes? Can you tell me which pills were halved? Thanks.

Menes said:

leec1 said:

I checked the evidence log in Investigation Report No. 1 and then the test results in Investigation Report No. 2 and I find the following.

A. Pills on the nightstand in Bayer bottle totalling 64 1/2 pills stamped Watson 853- these are the pills that are fentanyl and lidocaine that were sent to the DEA to see if they could determine if they had seen similar pills with this composition. The DEA stated they didn't see this pill composition previously but that didn't seem to odd to them because they have experience of finding pills that have been mixed with whatever is available.

B. Pills found in the second floor dressing room in white tissue paper in the jewelry box totalling 15 pills stamped Watson 853- these pills were fentanyl when tested

Were any of the fentanyl pills halved? If not, which pills were halved? Dialudid pills maybe?

The pills in the Bayer bottle were halved which tested to be fentanyl and lidocaine.

leec1 said:

Menes said:

Were any of the fentanyl pills halved? If not, which pills were halved? Dialudid pills maybe?

The pills in the Bayer bottle were halved which tested to be fentanyl and lidocaine.

Good work, Leec1. So we can assume that he is dosing( at the very least with the fentanyl) and not being indiscriminate about it. Did you find out if any other pill was halved?

Aleve bottle 20 1/2 marked Watson 853

Bayer Bottle 64 1/4 marked Watson 853

15 whole pills in jewelry box marked Watson 853

PennyPurple said:

No, these are the detective notes, I'll try to find the 1/2 pills though.

Menes said:

Hi Peny, I assume these are you personal notes? Can you tell me which pills were halved? Thanks.

Oh, sorry. Thought those were yours. I think Leec1 answered the question. Would still like to know if they were any other half pill that were not fentanyl/lidocaine. This wlil be a very important clue.

PennyPurple said:

Aleve bottle 20 1/2 marked Watson 853

Bayer Bottle 64 1/4 marked Watson 853

15 whole pills in jewelry box marked Watson 853

So, the bayer bottle ( fenatanyl /lidocaine) is halved.

The 15 pills ( fentanyl only, or fentanyl/lidocaine) were halved?

And the pills in the Aleve contain what ? Are they half as well?

[Edited 2/23/19 12:47pm]

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Aleve bottle 20 1/2 marked Watson 853

Bayer Bottle 64 1/4 marked Watson 853

15 whole pills in jewelry box marked Watson 853

So, the bayer bottle ( fenatanyl /lidocaine) is halved.

The 15 pills ( fentanyl only, or fentanyl/lidocaine) were halved?

And the pills in the Aleve contain what ? Are they half as well?

[Edited 2/23/19 12:47pm]

No the jewelry box 15 were whole

Aleve bottle 20 whole pills & 1/2 of a pill

Bayer 64 whole pills and 1/4 of a pill

[Edited 2/23/19 12:51pm]

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

So, the bayer bottle ( fenatanyl /lidocaine) is halved.

The 15 pills ( fentanyl only, or fentanyl/lidocaine) were halved?

And the pills in the Aleve contain what ? Are they half as well?

[Edited 2/23/19 12:47pm]

No the jewelry box 15 were whole

Aleve bottle 20 & 1/2

Bayer 64 and 1/4

So the aleve is all fent, correct? Were there any other pills beside the fentanyl/lidocaine pills that were half? Thanks for helping out.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

No the jewelry box 15 were whole

Aleve bottle 20 & 1/2

Bayer 64 and 1/4

So the aleve is all fent, correct? Were there any other pills beside the fentanyl/lidocaine pills that were half? Thanks for helping out.

I'll have to go thru all that again, it will take some time I will probably have time tonight.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

So the aleve is all fent, correct? Were there any other pills beside the fentanyl/lidocaine pills that were half? Thanks for helping out.

I'll have to go thru all that again, it will take some time I will probably have time tonight.

Take your time. No rush at all. We are going to figure this out. Lots to work with.

Menes said:

leec1 said:

The pills in the Bayer bottle were halved which tested to be fentanyl and lidocaine.

Good work, Leec1. So we can assume that he is dosing( at the very least with the fentanyl) and not being indiscriminate about it. Did you find out if any other pill was halved?

The pills in the Aleve bottle on the night stand totaling 20 pills were also halved. The pills were marked as Watson 853 but they tested to be fentanyl.

leec1 said:

Menes said:

Good work, Leec1. So we can assume that he is dosing( at the very least with the fentanyl) and not being indiscriminate about it. Did you find out if any other pill was halved?

The pills in the Aleve bottle on the night stand totaling 20 pills were also halved. The pills were marked as Watson 853 but they tested to be fentanyl.

Well, well, well. One thing left. Any other pill in that house was found to be half of itself? Very very important if you can find that.

leec1 said:

Menes said:

Good work, Leec1. So we can assume that he is dosing( at the very least with the fentanyl) and not being indiscriminate about it. Did you find out if any other pill was halved?

The pills in the Aleve bottle on the night stand totaling 20 pills were also halved. The pills were marked as Watson 853 but they tested to be fentanyl.

ON FIRE!!!

Menes said:

leec1 said:

The pills in the Aleve bottle on the night stand totaling 20 pills were also halved. The pills were marked as Watson 853 but they tested to be fentanyl.

Well, well, well. One thing left. Any other pill in that house was found to be half of itself? Very very important if you can find that.

The only other halved pills I saw were 3 halved pills located in Room 6 in the black suitcase. There were 49 whole pills and 3 halved pills in this black suitcase and they were marked Watson 853.

I also just noticed that in the handwritten notes of the detective when they collected evidence that the pills in the Bayer bottle were described as 1/4 pills. However in the typewritten Investigation Files Reports Nos. 1 and 2 the pills in the Bayer bottle are described as 1/2 pills.

leec1 said:

Menes said:

Well, well, well. One thing left. Any other pill in that house was found to be half of itself? Very very important if you can find that.

The only other halved pills I saw were 3 halved pills located in Room 6 in the black suitcase. There were 49 whole pills and 3 halved pills in this black suitcase and they were marked Watson 853.

I also just noticed that in the handwritten notes of the detective when they collected evidence that the pills in the Bayer bottle were described as 1/4 pills. However in the typewritten Investigation Files Reports Nos. 1 and 2 the pills in the Bayer bottle are described as 1/2 pills.

Those (3) halved pills in room (6) that were located in the black suitcase... Did they state whether or not they are the same as the fentanyl/lidocaine pills in composition?

I am assuming that this is not the "black bag" carried off the plane by Kirk when they were in Moline , correct?

Menes said:

nelcp777 said:

Menes said:

Those (3) halved pills in room (6) that were located in the black suitcase... Did they state whether or not they are the same as the fentanyl/lidocaine pills in composition?

I am assuming that this is not the "black bag" carried off the plane by Kirk when they were in Moline , correct?

Percocets were fond in 4 half pills.

It sounds like he wasn't so far gone into his addiction that he was barely able to walk around PP when he was alone....not to mention ride his bike for a short while and throw a little party...BECAUSE he was totally aware that the percosets and his custom made Fent/ lidocaine combo were the deadly ones...

He was willing to cut the most powerful pills in half because he totally knew how the OD trip went.(I wonder how many times Kirk carried an unconscious Prince in his arms to get help) and that's why he wasn't afraid about doing what he wanted to do his last day. He knew exactly what he was doing, in control to the end.

Menes said:

leec1 said:

The only other halved pills I saw were 3 halved pills located in Room 6 in the black suitcase. There were 49 whole pills and 3 halved pills in this black suitcase and they were marked Watson 853.

I also just noticed that in the handwritten notes of the detective when they collected evidence that the pills in the Bayer bottle were described as 1/4 pills. However in the typewritten Investigation Files Reports Nos. 1 and 2 the pills in the Bayer bottle are described as 1/2 pills.

Those (3) halved pills in room (6) that were located in the black suitcase... Did they state whether or not they are the same as the fentanyl/lidocaine pills in composition?

I am assuming that this is not the "black bag" carried off the plane by Kirk when they were in Moline , correct?

I haven't been able to locate any information yet on the testing of the pills in the black suitcase. These pills were in Room 6. This is not the black bag from Moline.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

nelcp777 said:

Menes said: Percocets were fond in 4 half pills.

It sounds like he wasn't so far gone into his addiction that he was barely able to walk around PP when he was alone....not to mention ride his bike for a short while and throw a little party...BECAUSE he was totally aware that the percosets and his custom made Fent/ lidocaine combo were the deadly ones...

He was willing to cut the most powerful pills in half because he totally knew how the OD trip went.(I wonder how many times Kirk carried an unconscious Prince in his arms to get help) and that's why he wasn't afraid about doing what he wanted to do his last day. He knew exactly what he was doing, in control to the end.

It's almost universal that when it comes to where people want to be in life, the extent to which they are able to control how close to that targeted place they actually are, varies enormously over a lifetime.

At times, people do make controlled, conscious choices from a set of difficult, highly imperfect options.

I guess what I'm trying (not finding good words) to say is that although "successful control" varies from person to person, most everyone has times when they have some control, times when they have little control, and times when they're quite well in control.

Bodhi, if you don't mind my asking...

Do you think that the substance dose P was at times on, over his last decade, was the path and place he targeted, his choice path out of all the paths he could possibly have taken over that decade?

nelcp777 said:

Menes said:

Those (3) halved pills in room (6) that were located in the black suitcase... Did they state whether or not they are the same as the fentanyl/lidocaine pills in composition?

I am assuming that this is not the "black bag" carried off the plane by Kirk when they were in Moline , correct?

Percocets were fond in 4 half pills.

Ok, so we really have to nail this down as much as the report will allow because there are some competing information here. In reply #316, I think the numbers you came up with might be slightly off . In reply# 256, ISaidlife, may have a slightly different take on the numbers as it relates to the percocets. Maybe both are saying the same thing? I'm not sure. Can you check that and clarify for accuracy?

The numbes are critical and relevant to how much was taken and when. Thanks.