muchtoofast said:

written in an ultra feminine voice

What do you mean? There is nothing about lipstick in here. Why can't a man sing this?


When you left me I thought that

Over it

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[Edited 12/30/18 5:04am]

Militant said:

It's never safe to assume anything.

P version exists, and I know what it sounds like. Read into that what you will.

Here's another piece of info - the P version has a drum machine on it, despite being from 77. Possibly a Rhythm Ace. You might recall that Jesse Johnson also mentioned that Prince did the "For You" demos using one of those.

databank said:

Militant said:

Valerie's version is based on Prince's fully recorded demo, on which he played everything as usual. David and Jeff from Toto were brought in to play on Valerie's version.

By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio.

I'm not sure I understand, sorry. What you're saying is that everything but bass and drums, on the released version, is Prince? Or that the whole song was rerecorded by session musicians but based on the original demo?

Prince recorded a demo. Valerie's version is a re-recording with the Toto guys based on P's demo. With that said there's a possibility it could also be P playing piano on the Valerie version, but lack of documentation on dug up tapes makes it hard to tell. This released version doesn't come from master tapes, but an old cassette mixdown found after Val passed. Prince was present at the sessions the Toto guys played on, and it's potentially him on piano but it can't be proven one way or another.

The Prince demo is a completely different recording.

Militant said:

muchtoofast said:

Pretty song but it is written in an ultra feminine voice so I doubt Prince had anything to do with writing it. And the music is so basic, not Prince’s style at all, it’s bland and indistinguishable from a zillion other songs of that era (I was there).

LOL yeah, no way is this the guy who wrote Miss You and Donna

On repeat her too.

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I love songs fro that era, the soundof it, the softness of it,

the nostalgic feel about it,

Just downloaded some albums of her (1977-1978),

I always loved and will love that era.

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I read once in some essay about pop music over the past decades that the best pop songs were written around that time.

I couldn't agree more.

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By the way, she's a discovery. I never heard her, or about her.

Thanks.

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IstenSzek said:

2freaky4church1 said:

The song is a real dog. We live in a world where people would rather hate on a masterwork like Cosmic Day.

probably the same way people seem to feel about 'coco boys', 'come elektra tuesday',
'adonis & bathsheba', 'emotional pump' etc.

they get excited over having them and then....they forget about them. or at least no
one ever mentions them anymore.

we've been given some absolute stone cold classics the last few years and people here
still talk about that one song they haven't got yet.

as soon as they have it, watch them forget about it and start to drool over another cut
they haven't heard yet.

meanwhile, i'm over here listening to those songs as much as any classic album back
in the day and appreciating them for what they are: stunning.

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And I absolutely agree !

Aren't we the MOST SPOILED FANS in this world ?

Prince wrote so much, and so much got leaked.

I still enjoy 80% of his work, and work he did for others, and it's till growing and changing.

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I couldn't agree more on the ones always looking for more.

For me, if it stops here, and no more will be released, I will be a happy man whatsoever.

Of course, there's always a warm welcome to newly released or leaked stuff.

I'm not a saint.

But for now, I'm capable of enjoying songs that I rediscover - songs known for years.

I can have great joy in relistening to them.

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As we get older, we appreciate the music we all know very well much more.

Now I can hear things, see and understand things much more (concerning Prince music as well as others).

His passing also made me look and listen different to his music.

thanks to all the great books out there on his life and work also have a huge impact on the way I rediscover his music.

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With those new angles to listen and look at things, life only gets better, music only gets better.

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how is it this song just surfaced.....and immediately someone already has access and heard the demo?

jaawwnn said:

luvsexy4all said:

muchtoofast said:

luvsexy4all said:

how is it this song just surfaced.....and immediately someone already has access and heard the demo?

And why play the PRINCE demo for Casey and not get in touch with Prince family first? Seems random.

probably a collector has a number of very early prince tracks that they have never shared
and which only a handfull of people have ever heard.

the connection to valerie might not have been known to anyone until the track was put on
her 'lost tapes' album just now.

which could explain why someone that militant knows and has heard uncirculating tracks
from before, also has that song, as if by 'coincidence', and said 'yeah, sure i have that cut
somewhere, i'll let you hear it if you want'.

there's tons of prince music sitting in people's private collections that none of us have any
idea about, i'm sure.

a recording of one of those songs by another artist surfacing would seem the best possible
chance for us to ever get to hear the prince version since the song somehow become a bit
more relevant in the community and people might want to share or sell due to interest.

something like that?

luvsexy4all said:

how is it this song just surfaced.....and immediately someone already has access and heard the demo?

Because, maybe, the demo has been out for decades and this re-recorded version is new and makes that track relevant to talk about?
There's a shitload of songs not (yet) mentioned or talked about that are "out there"...

Neversin.

I listened to the song once... now I'm over it.

Vaguely interesting at best.

May or may not have Prince on it...

much like the 94 East recordings, or the For You demos (of songs that were rejected for the album), there's a generic quality to this that makes it get old very quickly.

Makes me realise that a lot of that early material was really subpar, and it's only because you hear Prince performing it, knowing what he would become, that makes them interesting.

This, doesn't really warrant a second listen for me.

Rimshottbob said:

I listened to the song once... now I'm over it.

Vaguely interesting at best.

May or may not have Prince on it...

much like the 94 East recordings, or the For You demos (of songs that were rejected for the album), there's a generic quality to this that makes it get old very quickly.

Makes me realise that a lot of that early material was really subpar, and it's only because you hear Prince performing it, knowing what he would become, that makes them interesting.

This, doesn't really warrant a second listen for me.

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Be aware that new found jams will be rare in the nearest future to discover or listen to.

Certainly those from the pre-fame days. Or any collaboration for that matter, like this one.

I think they are valuable to the great puzzle Prince created with his huge catalog of work.

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The estate isn't doing a great job so far, nearly three years after his death.

Bootleggers are very cautious too. So don't expect much.

We already have so much. But whatever we can get (our ears to listen to) is worth it.

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If for instance someone in the Robert Palmer camp could offer us a better copy of the unreleased track Prince gave to him (Lust U Always) for instance,

or any other artist Prince gave self penned tracks to, we would have a nice jams to enjoy, before any new releases are being (postponed or) released and received.

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This early material doesn't sound that old to me. But sure it it dated.

(More than) Most of his 90's & 00's output sounds much more outdated to me.

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Militant said:

Here's another piece of info - the P version has a drum machine on it, despite being from 77.

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Sly Stone was using drum machines in the early 1970s.

Militant said:

By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio.

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The full quote from his book is in my post on the first page of this thread.

BartVanHemelen said:

I am reasonably sure it's a Rhythm Ace.

She is reminding me of Minnie Ripperton. I'm not over it yet.

Militant said:

I am reasonably sure it's a Rhythm Ace.

You are absolutely right.

BartVanHemelen said:

Militant said:

Here's another piece of info - the P version has a drum machine on it, despite being from 77.

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Sly Stone was using drum machines in the early 1970s.

I think he was referring to the use of a drum machine in Prince's 1970s recordings, not all of music's history.

Cinny said:

Militant said:

I am reasonably sure it's a Rhythm Ace.

You are absolutely right.

Which one though? About 20 versions of the Rhythm Ace were manufactured.

Militant said:

jjam said:

Cinny said:

You are absolutely right.

Which one though? About 20 versions of the Rhythm Ace were manufactured.

Jesse Johnson would remember if it was a floor model or whatever.

Like I said.........I know a Prince joint.......when I hear it.

Graycap23 said:

Like I said.........I know a Prince joint.......when I hear it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_negationism