Strawberrylova123 said:

EmmaMcG said:

rogifan said:

Are you referring to JW or religion in general?

Well, in this context, I guess I'm referring to JWs because the quote supposedly came from a JW. But most major religions are guilty of the same thing. My uncle is a priest and even he says he's not comfortable with the "culty aspects" of the Catholic Church. The use of certain phrases, the threats of punishment in the afterlife if you don't obey the rules on Earth, the whole outdated presentation and beliefs (no sex before marriage, no abortions, no gays etc). It seems a shame that someone like Prince, a man who used to celebrate freedom, sexual and otherwise, would get mixed up in such a cult. Not so much for himself, he was a grown man who really should have known better, but when his new beliefs worked themselves into his music, it was his longtime fans who suffered. They bought into this man who championed diversity in all its forms and then he became almost like a parody of those people who "find God" when he started changing his own lyrics and working in lines such as "if you want to be with me ain't no room for disagree". I do feel sorry for him because Larry Graham, as all great cult recruiters do, got to him at a turbulent time in his life.

"They bought into this man who championed diversity in all its forms and then he became almost like a parody of those people who "find God" when he started changing his own lyrics and working in lines such as "if you want to be with me ain't no room for disagree". Fans buy a musician's music not the musician themselves. The entitlement of so many fans who think they can tell what a musician what God to believe in or who to be friends with is exactly why Prince chose to be so private about his life. Fans have the choice to support or not support anyone's art due to their opposition to what a musician publicly advocate for.

bashraka said:

NorthC said:

EmmaMcG said:

NorthC said:

It might be interesting to make a comparison with Bob Dylan here, because he went through exactly the same process in 1979-80: he became a Born Again Christian, performing only his gospel songs on stage preaching hell and damnation in between. To his fans, it seemed as if he was becoming the very thing he (and they) were protesting against in the 60s. And Dylan also toned down his message; all his preaching wasn't going to save anybody if there was nobody left to listen. Maybe it's a phase you have to go through when you become religious: the ones who are receny converted are always the most fanatical

I didn't know that about Bob Dylan but that's a very good point.

Yes, great to consider! Thanks, NorthC!

pdiddy2011 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

andrewm7 said:

Just another musician acting as a political.tool...associating with political filth othe highest order. All politicians are absolute murderous filth who seek associations with pop artists for their PR. All of them. A conscious population would be up in arms about such associations, but they are all asleep.

Millions murdered under their watch...constant wars. Massive war profiteering for the select few. Unpayable debt. Let's dance.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

EmmaMcG said:

bashraka said:

"They bought into this man who championed diversity in all its forms and then he became almost like a parody of those people who "find God" when he started changing his own lyrics and working in lines such as "if you want to be with me ain't no room for disagree". Fans buy a musician's music not the musician themselves. The entitlement of so many fans who think they can tell what a musician what God to believe in or who to be friends with is exactly why Prince chose to be so private about his life. Fans have the choice to support or not support anyone's art due to their opposition to what a musician publicly advocate for.

Yes. I agree. Like I said, I only became a Prince fan after he joined the cult so his religion never bothered me. I'm a big Tom Cruise fan, after all and his devotion to his religion never turned me off him either. But Prince seems to have acknowledged that all the preaching and lecturing he was doing in his music was not good for business. Which is probably why he stopped doing it so much. And because he had stopped doing it, it appeared to many that he was moving away from the JW faith.

I believe Prince was raised within the 7th Day Adventist faith, which is also quite strict in its beliefs. So, he was always connected to the Christian faith in some form or another, and in the earlier days he began to struggle with his very sexual/raunchy music and its contrast to his Christian beliefs. He sang the Lord's Prayer in the middle of the song Controversy in 1982. He added a "conversation with God" in the middle of the song Temptation in 1984/85. He wrote most of an album about choosing God over sex/drugs (LoveSexy) in 1988. He wrote a film and most of another album (Graffiti Bridge) about finding true happiness and salvation through faith in God in 1990. Then he lost his way a bit and seemed to turn to the darker, more sexual side of his music in the early to mid 90's.

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It is thought that he turned toward religion again after the tragic death of his son. He became friends with Larry Graham during that time, who introduced him to the JW faith. It took several years, but Prince finally officially converted to JW - I believe in the 1999/2000 time frame. He had begun talking and singing about the faith as early as 1997-98.

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I think when one is feeling lost or struggling as a result of a tragic event in his or her life it is easy to see how focusing on faith in a higher power would provide comfort and peace. In this case, I think JW (via Larry Graham) appeared in the right place at the right time for Prince to become attached and committed to those beliefs. During their 1998 TV appearance on the Sinbad talk show, Larry Graham and Prince discussed their regular bible studies. The group pushes the spreading of their beliefs to non-members:

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"Jehovah's Witnesses are perhaps best known for their efforts to spread their beliefs, most notably by visiting people from house to house,^{[213][214][215]} distributing literature published by the Watch Tower Society in 700 languages.^[216] The objective is to start a regular "Bible study" with any person who is not already a member,^[217] with the intention that the student be baptized as a member of the group;^[218][219] Witnesses are advised to consider discontinuing Bible studies with students who show no interest in becoming members.^[220][221] Witnesses are taught they are under a biblical command to engage in public preaching.^[222][223] They are instructed to devote as much time as possible to their ministry and are required to submit an individual monthly "Field Service Report".^[224][225] Baptized members who fail to report a month of preaching are termed "irregular" and may be counseled by elders;^[226][227] those who do not submit reports for six consecutive months are termed "inactive".^[228]"

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Prince was heavily preaching the JW beliefs in both his songs and discussions during public appearances from 1998 through at least the early 2000's. He was also, unbelievably, doing the door-to-door "witnessing" in Chanhassen. Then at some point he seemed to tone it way down both musically and publicly. I agree that he may have realized he was alienating many of his fans.

i think michelle obama did a lot of good for our coutry. but i dont care at all about her musical tastes.

VioletWaiting said:

i think michelle obama did a lot of good for our coutry. but i dont care at all about her musical tastes.

Well, considering that a person's musical tastes can often, at least on some level, describe who they are, where they came from, or what inspires them I think many would be interested in hearing about her musical interests and/or how various artists played a part in her history.

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Also, she was being interviewed by a famous musician, so.....not surprising that her musical tastes/interests would come into play during that conversation.