PennyPurple said:

rogifan said:

CatB said: Well he never did so he couldn’t have wanted to that much.

He did have an apartment over there. Just because he never moved permanently doesn't mean he didn't want to.

Right. Prince loved France, and had been enamored by Paris especially, going back to his early days. He spent tons of time there in '85/86, and filmed UTCM in Nice, France as we know. So, I would say he enjoyed spending time there, and it makes sense that he would have eventually bought or rented a residence there, just as he did many times in LA. Prince owned/rented properties in many places - Spain, Turks & Caicos, France, Cali, MN, etc. Yes, MN was always his "home base", but he loved and enjoyed residences in many other places.

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Prince on Larry King in 1999: "I like to say I live in the world, but I am not of it...."

Prince? the same guy who would pull all kinds of stunts so he wouldn't have to deal with anyone? The stories are legion that he would avoid people by any means possible. So, although I know he hung out a lot in bars he did it on his terms for the most part, meaning surrounded by bodyguards and unnaproachable. Still, it's hard to understand why he did it at all, it's not like he couldn't get women to come to him at anytime and clubs are noisy and full of distractions. For a guy who liked being alone, it never made sense but prince was full of contradictions.

PeteSilas said:

Prince? the same guy who would pull all kinds of stunts so he wouldn't have to deal with anyone? The stories are legion that he would avoid people by any means possible. So, although I know he hung out a lot in bars he did it on his terms for the most part, meaning surrounded by bodyguards and unnaproachable. Still, it's hard to understand why he did it at all, it's not like he couldn't get women to come to him at anytime and clubs are noisy and full of distractions. For a guy who liked being alone, it never made sense but prince was full of contradictions.

I think he liked to watch

PeteSilas said:

Prince? the same guy who would pull all kinds of stunts so he wouldn't have to deal with anyone? The stories are legion that he would avoid people by any means possible. So, although I know he hung out a lot in bars he did it on his terms for the most part, meaning surrounded by bodyguards and unnaproachable. Still, it's hard to understand why he did it at all, it's not like he couldn't get women to come to him at anytime and clubs are noisy and full of distractions. For a guy who liked being alone, it never made sense but prince was full of contradictions.

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

Prince? the same guy who would pull all kinds of stunts so he wouldn't have to deal with anyone? The stories are legion that he would avoid people by any means possible. So, although I know he hung out a lot in bars he did it on his terms for the most part, meaning surrounded by bodyguards and unnaproachable. Still, it's hard to understand why he did it at all, it's not like he couldn't get women to come to him at anytime and clubs are noisy and full of distractions. For a guy who liked being alone, it never made sense but prince was full of contradictions.

Exactly! Prince WOULD NOT BE freely roaming around in some club.

Well, then that isn't exactly a party animal, now is it oh special one?

According to Zoey Kravitz, Prince was roaming around a club with her (for her work party, and no she wasn't interested) and picked up a woman that he took a liking to.

peggyon said:

PeteSilas said:

Prince? the same guy who would pull all kinds of stunts so he wouldn't have to deal with anyone? The stories are legion that he would avoid people by any means possible. So, although I know he hung out a lot in bars he did it on his terms for the most part, meaning surrounded by bodyguards and unnaproachable. Still, it's hard to understand why he did it at all, it's not like he couldn't get women to come to him at anytime and clubs are noisy and full of distractions. For a guy who liked being alone, it never made sense but prince was full of contradictions.

I think he liked to watch

sure but we know he had anxiety issues, why put yourself in a place like that? he did it, so there's no arguement, just don't quite understand it. Maybe the shy guy thing was just an act, which is what I'm getting at. At least in part. Also, i have to repeat, most rockstars are schizoid, elvis was, Bruce is etc..., so to some degree, they are all split personalities, they have to be, to be able to seperate yourself and to bring something out of the void that is pertinent to an audience requires that persoanlity. Alot of the stories are nutty though, the ones that have him running through offices avoiding people that he thought might be there (they weren't) or running past a lowly employee he thought would talk to him, those stories are out there.

PeteSilas said:

peggyon said:

I think he liked to watch

sure but we know he had anxiety issues, why put yourself in a place like that? he did it, so there's no arguement, just don't quite understand it. Maybe the shy guy thing was just an act, which is what I'm getting at. At least in part. Also, i have to repeat, most rockstars are schizoid, elvis was, Bruce is etc..., so to some degree, they are all split personalities, they have to be, to be able to seperate yourself and to bring something out of the void that is pertinent to an audience requires that persoanlity. Alot of the stories are nutty though, the ones that have him running through offices avoiding people that he thought might be there (they weren't) or running past a lowly employee he thought would talk to him, those stories are out there.

We know he was not shy around those he knew well and felt comfortable with. Susannah Melvoin described it as "social queues were defined by him" instead of what the rest of us consider to be normal, so he definitely had social anxiety or awkwardness when it came to people he did not know or want to meet. I think much of it had to do with him wanting to socialize on his terms only, and that is hard to do. That also ties in with him having to be in control of every situation.

PeteSilas said:

peggyon said:

I think he liked to watch

sure but we know he had anxiety issues, why put yourself in a place like that? he did it, so there's no arguement, just don't quite understand it. Maybe the shy guy thing was just an act, which is what I'm getting at. At least in part. Also, i have to repeat, most rockstars are schizoid, elvis was, Bruce is etc..., so to some degree, they are all split personalities, they have to be, to be able to seperate yourself and to bring something out of the void that is pertinent to an audience requires that persoanlity. Alot of the stories are nutty though, the ones that have him running through offices avoiding people that he thought might be there (they weren't) or running past a lowly employee he thought would talk to him, those stories are out there.

I was remembering a story Patti LaBelle told about Prince. She came to visit and she said he never stopped talking and he took her to several of the local clubs where they danced and danced till they got sweaty doing the Funky Chicken etc. I think he was a good dancer and enjoyed it. Perhaps he

needed to feel comfortable with his companions. Look at him in UTCM, pretty outgoing. Yeah, he seemed to be real quiet at times, too. I think his more extreme polarities make him fascinating to me.

Most people present a more uniform character but he was more extreme, ie., shy, awkward v super flamboyant entertainer, sometimes macho, other times femme, uber spirtual, kinda nasty; sweet and kind, sometimes a real douche/prick, really generous with money, super tight-wad. Huh?

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Exactly! Prince WOULD NOT BE freely roaming around in some club in the EIGHTIES or even 90's.

Oops, then Luiz Carneiro who wrote a book about Rock in Rio and what happened in the days around the festival, quoting eye witnesses, told LIES!

"After dinner Prince decided to check out Rio’s nightlife, his first stop being the Hippopotamus night club, one of the most famous places in Rio in the early nineties. Its owner, the entrepreneur Ricardo Amaral was known as "The King of Rio’s Night" and besides the "Hippo" he had many other clubs, including Club A in New York and Le 78 in Paris. Amaral’s notoriety didn’t impress Prince at all. Witnesses talked about an argument they had because of the US $230 bill Prince refused to pay for being too expensive. He also angered a famous Brazilian actress’ husband by inviting his wife to the dance floor insistently.

Leaving the Hippopotamus, he took his staff by surprise, when he literally ran away from them to take a walk on the Ipanema beach streets completely alone. Then, after he spent some time at Caligula, another popular night club, he went to Babilônia in Leblon. Forty minutes later, he headed to Trap 571 and People, both in the same neighborhood, but they were too crowded for him to enter."


In France and Spain he did the same all through the 90's.


Like rdhull said - you're trying to create a narrative here, to press Prince's life into your image of him and use him and others to push your narcissism. That has nothing to do with respect.

peggyon said:

PeteSilas said:

sure but we know he had anxiety issues, why put yourself in a place like that? he did it, so there's no arguement, just don't quite understand it. Maybe the shy guy thing was just an act, which is what I'm getting at. At least in part. Also, i have to repeat, most rockstars are schizoid, elvis was, Bruce is etc..., so to some degree, they are all split personalities, they have to be, to be able to seperate yourself and to bring something out of the void that is pertinent to an audience requires that persoanlity. Alot of the stories are nutty though, the ones that have him running through offices avoiding people that he thought might be there (they weren't) or running past a lowly employee he thought would talk to him, those stories are out there.

I was remembering a story Patti LaBelle told about Prince. She came to visit and she said he never stopped talking and he took her to several of the local clubs where they danced and danced till they got sweaty doing the Funky Chicken etc. I think he was a good dancer and enjoyed it. Perhaps he

needed to feel comfortable with his companions. Look at him in UTCM, pretty outgoing. Yeah, he seemed to be real quiet at times, too. I think his more extreme polarities make him fascinating to me.

Most people present a more uniform character but he was more extreme, ie., shy, awkward v super flamboyant entertainer, sometimes macho, other times femme, uber spirtual, kinda nasty; sweet and kind, sometimes a real douche/prick, really generous with money, super tight-wad. Huh?

Yes, this makes sense based on the stories depicting so many different sides to him. Extreme polarities is a good way to describe it. I think the 80's were a generally happy time for him, especially '83-'89, but he was still moody and unpredictable in his behavior.

CatB said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Exactly! Prince WOULD NOT BE freely roaming around in some club in the EIGHTIES or even 90's.

Oops, then Luiz Carneiro who wrote a book about Rock in Rio and what happened in the days around the festival, quoting eye witnesses, told LIES!

"After dinner Prince decided to check out Rio’s nightlife, his first stop being the Hippopotamus night club, one of the most famous places in Rio in the early nineties. Its owner, the entrepreneur Ricardo Amaral was known as "The King of Rio’s Night" and besides the "Hippo" he had many other clubs, including Club A in New York and Le 78 in Paris. Amaral’s notoriety didn’t impress Prince at all. Witnesses talked about an argument they had because of the US $230 bill Prince refused to pay for being too expensive. He also angered a famous Brazilian actress’ husband by inviting his wife to the dance floor insistently.

Leaving the Hippopotamus, he took his staff by surprise, when he literally ran away from them to take a walk on the Ipanema beach streets completely alone. Then, after he spent some time at Caligula, another popular night club, he went to Babilônia in Leblon. Forty minutes later, he headed to Trap 571 and People, both in the same neighborhood, but they were too crowded for him to enter."


In France and Spain he did the same all through the 90's.


Like rdhull said - you're trying to create a narrative here, to press Prince's life into your image of him and use him and others to push your narcissism. That has nothing to do with respect.

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

CatB said:

Oops, then Luiz Carneiro who wrote a book about Rock in Rio and what happened in the days around the festival, quoting eye witnesses, told LIES!

"After dinner Prince decided to check out Rio’s nightlife, his first stop being the Hippopotamus night club, one of the most famous places in Rio in the early nineties. Its owner, the entrepreneur Ricardo Amaral was known as "The King of Rio’s Night" and besides the "Hippo" he had many other clubs, including Club A in New York and Le 78 in Paris. Amaral’s notoriety didn’t impress Prince at all. Witnesses talked about an argument they had because of the US $230 bill Prince refused to pay for being too expensive. He also angered a famous Brazilian actress’ husband by inviting his wife to the dance floor insistently.

Leaving the Hippopotamus, he took his staff by surprise, when he literally ran away from them to take a walk on the Ipanema beach streets completely alone. Then, after he spent some time at Caligula, another popular night club, he went to Babilônia in Leblon. Forty minutes later, he headed to Trap 571 and People, both in the same neighborhood, but they were too crowded for him to enter."


In France and Spain he did the same all through the 90's.


Like rdhull said - you're trying to create a narrative here, to press Prince's life into your image of him and use him and others to push your narcissism. That has nothing to do with respect.

I guess your happy now that the attention has gotten off of U from being attacked on here.

I think this goes back to Peggynon's thought, which is that Prince had major mood polarity going on at any given time. I think sometimes his "clubbing" adventures were as CatB listed above form the Rock n Rio chronicles. Other times, if his mood was sad, sour, angry or all of the above, he would sit alone in his VIP section quietly watching the crowd. It most likely depended on his mood and who he was with.

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There are plenty of stories about Prince getting his groove on at clubs to show that he was often accessible and open - especially in the 80's. Look at how he met Ingrid Chavez - both at a local club in MN, she's looking at him, writes him a note that says "smile", and then he invites her back to PP. I'd say that is pretty accessible....

violetcrush said:

I think this goes back to Peggynon's thought, which is that Prince had major mood polarity going on at any given time. I think sometimes his "clubbing" adventures were as CatB listed above form the Rock n Rio chronicles. Other times, if his mood was sad, sour, angry or all of the above, he would sit alone in his VIP section quietly watching the crowd. It most likely depended on his mood and who he was with.

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There are plenty of stories about Prince getting his groove on at clubs to show that he was often accessible and open - especially in the 80's. Look at how he met Ingrid Chavez - both at a local club in MN, she's looking at him, writes him a note that says "smile", and then he invites her back to PP. I'd say that is pretty accessible....

But for someone to say Prince didn't get his groove on and that he wouldn't be going around clubs alone, is a complete lie. Eyewitnesses say otherwise. And there are plenty of stories out there of how he liked to go clubbing and just himself of being free.

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peggyon said:

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

I think this goes back to Peggynon's thought, which is that Prince had major mood polarity going on at any given time. I think sometimes his "clubbing" adventures were as CatB listed above form the Rock n Rio chronicles. Other times, if his mood was sad, sour, angry or all of the above, he would sit alone in his VIP section quietly watching the crowd. It most likely depended on his mood and who he was with.

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There are plenty of stories about Prince getting his groove on at clubs to show that he was often accessible and open - especially in the 80's. Look at how he met Ingrid Chavez - both at a local club in MN, she's looking at him, writes him a note that says "smile", and then he invites her back to PP. I'd say that is pretty accessible....

But for someone to say Prince didn't get his groove on and that he wouldn't be going around clubs alone, is a complete lie. Eyewitnesses say otherwise. And there are plenty of stories out there of how he liked to go clubbing and just himself of being free.

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Right, I think he did do clubs alone, but more often than not, he was with at least one other companion and a body guard or two - so not totally alone.

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Here's an excerpt from "An Oral History Of Prince In The 90's :

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"Phillips: In the time I was managing him, he could be very engaging and charming, but I never found him to be really happy. You had to drag conversation out of him. He didn’t drink. He didn’t smoke. No drugs. His thing was going out at three in the morning and playing all night and morning in a club – and after playing a three-hour set. He was always the most comfortable onstage."

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"Phillips: He had huge overhead. Paisley Park was $2.5 million a month. It didn’t make sense to have all those studios and that soundstage. It was never profitable. He’d meet a girl and take her back to Paisley and record a double album with her overnight. It would be ready the next day. Arnold had a conversation with him and said, “Stop doing A&R with your dick.” But money didn’t matter to Prince. He always thought he could make more. Money wasn’t a badge of success to him. The badge was liking something he did."

violetcrush said:

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"Phillips: He had huge overhead. Paisley Park was $2.5 million a month. It didn’t make sense to have all those studios and that soundstage. It was never profitable. He’d meet a girl and take her back to Paisley and record a double album with her overnight. It would be ready the next day. Arnold had a conversation with him and said, “Stop doing A&R with your dick.”

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Im pulling up a seat for the comments.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said: Oh please. LA became a second home for him from the 80's on - he was there so much. He spent most of the Winter there and Summers in MN. London was another common location for him.

Prince WAS NOT walking around FREELY in clubs in LA in THE EIGHTIES!!!

Prince was known to take overnight trips to Amsterdam in the late 80's and 90's, without bodyguards, to visit girls and check the nightlife there tho, he was a visited a couple clubs frequently and was even turned away from Richter in Amsterdam.
I saw the bills from the limo service he used here, so there's that.

JorisE73 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince WAS NOT walking around FREELY in clubs in LA in THE EIGHTIES!!!

Prince was known to take overnight trips to Amsterdam in the late 80's and 90's, without bodyguards, to visit girls and check the nightlife there tho, he was a visited a couple clubs frequently and was even turned away from Richter in Amsterdam.
I saw the bills from the limo service he used here, so there's that.

why would they turn prince away?

PeteSilas said:

JorisE73 said:

Prince was known to take overnight trips to Amsterdam in the late 80's and 90's, without bodyguards, to visit girls and check the nightlife there tho, he was a visited a couple clubs frequently and was even turned away from Richter in Amsterdam.
I saw the bills from the limo service he used here, so there's that.

why would they turn prince away?

I have no idea, I just heard it from people back in those days. I do know Richter was a notorious coke den and members only club for the Dutch VIPs.

JorisE73 said:

PeteSilas said:

why would they turn prince away?

I have no idea, I just heard it from people back in those days. I do know Richter was a notorious coke den and members only club for the Dutch VIPs.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

JorisE73 said:

I have no idea, I just heard it from people back in those days. I do know Richter was a notorious coke den and members only club for the Dutch VIPs.

An eye roll for that/??? Most members only clubs in the 80's and 90's were coke/drug dens. Why wouldn't they be? Have you watched the Studio 54 film or documentary?? Heck, I was serving drinks at a club in '86 that was far from a "members only" club, and there was coke everywhere. In the 90's I could have easily gotten X or any other drug at the "Rave" parties I attended.

rdhull said:

violetcrush said:

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"Phillips: He had huge overhead. Paisley Park was $2.5 million a month. It didn’t make sense to have all those studios and that soundstage. It was never profitable. He’d meet a girl and take her back to Paisley and record a double album with her overnight. It would be ready the next day. Arnold had a conversation with him and said, “Stop doing A&R with your dick.”

I know, right??!!! This was '90-'91. Now we know what that brown leather couch was doing in the studio Great article. Here's the link path to the full story if anyone has not already read it. Great insights from the original NPG too:

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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/prince-in-the-nineties-an-oral-history-40501/

Baby Noz lyrics show Prince's fondness and familiarlity with clubs and their patrons.

prince was never gonna show up at some strangers house party like 2pac ... i have no doubt in the early days with morris vanity and andre that prince partied as hard as anyone

jdcxc said:

TrevorAyer said: