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Reply #180 posted 10/01/18 6:15pm

purplefam99

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said:

Parasocial Interaction: Forming an emotional bond of sorts with an actor or other celebrity, fueled by absorbing media pertaining to them through the web, television or a tattered copy of our favorite novel, reaffirms our end of the relationship without their being any actual reciprocity from the object of our affections.

This is pretty much psychology 101. You can Google it. The term was, I believe, created in the 1950's and the advent of Television in the home, when the general public began developing emotional bonds due to being able to frequently watch their favorite celebrities on the screen. Studies of celebrity stalking behavior include this term as well when it becomes obsessive.

Is it? I was a Psychology major in college and I wasn't I introduced to this...and I'm not saying some fans don't take it to far...but what I'm asking is who made you guys the priesthood thinking you can say who that pertains to or not...??...you don't even know this person...they said they just came back fro. PP maybe their emotions are still very raw...and btw I find it so funny that some people on here are so quick to diagnose mental illness in others as if their idol was the pillar of mental health..love4oneanother...please actually practice it not just proclaim it please.

i agree i think diagnosing someone after 2 posts is premature, i wonder if psychology 101 says to

medicate after 3 posts??

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Reply #181 posted 10/01/18 6:19pm

PeteSilas

purplefam99 said:

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said: Is it? I was a Psychology major in college and I wasn't I introduced to this...and I'm not saying some fans don't take it to far...but what I'm asking is who made you guys the priesthood thinking you can say who that pertains to or not...??...you don't even know this person...they said they just came back fro. PP maybe their emotions are still very raw...and btw I find it so funny that some people on here are so quick to diagnose mental illness in others as if their idol was the pillar of mental health..love4oneanother...please actually practice it not just proclaim it please.

i agree i think diagnosing someone after 2 posts is premature, i wonder if psychology 101 says to

medicate after 3 posts??

ya, i don't want to touch that stuff other than to say online, people have certain ways to act when they disagree, one of the major ones is saying they 'need help' it's manipulative, it' phoney and it's plain tired. trying to play with people's heads.

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Reply #182 posted 10/01/18 6:20pm

purplefam99

PeteSilas said:

ya, i know all that, which is why i quantified my statement. I remember gordon parks musing over muhammad ali walking the streets saying how people 'loved' him. He thought it was foolish of ali to see the reactions he got as love, he was right for the most part. it's a strange relationship, to use the song title, this fan/star relationship. stars are usually imbalanced in certain ways which set them apart, not just with their drive to be a star but also in many other ways where they can't really relate to people in a "normal" way. I always think it's bizarre when these people end up "isolated", "lonely" when so many people would love to spend a moment with them. they can't really trust fans because they don't know them and if they let them close enough, as many of them learn, they can get burned. but in prince's case, with his family history, i don't think the people who say his fans were family were exagerrating.

benni said:


Hyperbole. They do rely on fans to purchase the product they are selling, which includes their selling an image to their fans, to keep them coming back for more. I think that as they develop as a star, and they constantly see adoring fans wherever they go, they may in a sense, "feel close" to the fans, and even have a "relationship" with the fans, in the sense that they continue to sell the fans that image, what they think the fans want of them. But they do not generally know their fans on a personal level, their pains, their loves, their experiences. They just know that without the fans, they would not be rich, would not be a star, and would not be famous. So many of them feel they owe a lot to those fans in the form of mutual adoration, some however can have a dysfunctional relationship with their fans and get tired of the constant adoration and lack of privacy.

To state that Prince felt closer to his fans than family, speaks more to the relationship he had with his family, than to the actual relationship he had with fans. Now, there were some differences with Prince. He would interact with fans on the sly, and possibly got to know quite a few. I know of one person in particular in which she had gotten in an argument/debate with him in an online forum, and she ended up becoming a friend to him and was invited many times to Paisley Park by Prince himself. When you have former bandmates and protegees asking that individual how they are doing after Prince passed, how they are holding up, and they share inside jokes, then it confirms the story that they became friends.

But I would argue that it was only a few of his fans that Prince became close to, got to know, and truly felt closer to them than his own family. Keep in mind that Prince did marry a fan. But the stories of Prince being a friend with fans are few and far inbetween.

yes^^^, he obviously felt something for his fans with the immense

amount of access he granted them. it was a relationship he courted just like his others.

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Reply #183 posted 10/01/18 6:24pm

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ya, i know all that, which is why i quantified my statement. I remember gordon parks musing over muhammad ali walking the streets saying how people 'loved' him. He thought it was foolish of ali to see the reactions he got as love, he was right for the most part. it's a strange relationship, to use the song title, this fan/star relationship. stars are usually imbalanced in certain ways which set them apart, not just with their drive to be a star but also in many other ways where they can't really relate to people in a "normal" way. I always think it's bizarre when these people end up "isolated", "lonely" when so many people would love to spend a moment with them. they can't really trust fans because they don't know them and if they let them close enough, as many of them learn, they can get burned. but in prince's case, with his family history, i don't think the people who say his fans were family were exagerrating.

benni said:


Hyperbole. They do rely on fans to purchase the product they are selling, which includes their selling an image to their fans, to keep them coming back for more. I think that as they develop as a star, and they constantly see adoring fans wherever they go, they may in a sense, "feel close" to the fans, and even have a "relationship" with the fans, in the sense that they continue to sell the fans that image, what they think the fans want of them. But they do not generally know their fans on a personal level, their pains, their loves, their experiences. They just know that without the fans, they would not be rich, would not be a star, and would not be famous. So many of them feel they owe a lot to those fans in the form of mutual adoration, some however can have a dysfunctional relationship with their fans and get tired of the constant adoration and lack of privacy.

To state that Prince felt closer to his fans than family, speaks more to the relationship he had with his family, than to the actual relationship he had with fans. Now, there were some differences with Prince. He would interact with fans on the sly, and possibly got to know quite a few. I know of one person in particular in which she had gotten in an argument/debate with him in an online forum, and she ended up becoming a friend to him and was invited many times to Paisley Park by Prince himself. When you have former bandmates and protegees asking that individual how they are doing after Prince passed, how they are holding up, and they share inside jokes, then it confirms the story that they became friends.

But I would argue that it was only a few of his fans that Prince became close to, got to know, and truly felt closer to them than his own family. Keep in mind that Prince did marry a fan. But the stories of Prince being a friend with fans are few and far inbetween.



I do, in some instances, think it was an exaggeration about "loving fans more than family". Coming from a background of extensive abuse and neglect, I can state unequivocally that I LOVED my family. There were certain members that I maintained a close relationship with, others I wish I had, and yet others that I didn't trust enough to keep close to them, and loved them from afar. There is an interesting dichotomy with children that go through such traumas in their youth, and keep in mind that we don't know the extent of anything Prince went through, as he only alluded to certain things during one or two interviews, but children have a great capacity for forgiveness and love. We may hate what our parents, cousins, other relatives, etc are doing to us, but we find a way to separate that part of that person from the parent, cousin, relative. For me, there was a monster family member, and then there was the family member I loved, two sides to one stone.

Prince kept Tyka close towards the end, she even worked for him. Whether we view their relationship as loving or not, no matter the definition we put on that relationship, or how we view her (or others in his family), we cannot state how Prince felt about his family, truly. He once stated that he forgave people instantly. In the Rolling Stone interview: "I note that some people think what Brown did to Rihanna was unforgivable. He’s shocked. “Unforgivable?” he says. “Goodness. That’s when we go check the master, Christ. … Have you ever instantly forgiven somebody?” I shake my head. “It’s the best feeling in the world, and it totally dismantles that person’s whole stance.” <--- I know that feeling, of instantly forgiving someone, because as a child of trauma, it's something we learn to do. It's when we are older that it becomes more difficult as we look at the problems that trauma caused our lives. But Prince seemed to be able to keep that part of himself. He even dedicated his Piano & Mc concerts to his dad. His mom was at the Celebrations back in 2000, and he even had security guards for her, and a place to sit reserved for her at night at PP.

So we can't speak, really, to how close Prince felt to his family, what he thought of them, felt about them, because we only have conjecture, as does whoever stated that Prince felt closer to his fans than he did his family. Speaking as a suvivor of trauma, I loved (and still do) my family tremendously, even though they hurt me deeply. And it's because I loved them so much that they were able to hurt me so much.

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Reply #184 posted 10/01/18 6:29pm

PeteSilas

i agree, only he could really say, we know tyka and duane sued him, his dad and lorna sold him out for a newstory (in his mind) as i've gotten older, i won't even here anyone speak about my parents, i just won't tolerate it, even from my brother and we had it bad. age changes how you see things, then, i wonder if i coulda done better and i think "no, i don't think i could've"

benni said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, i know all that, which is why i quantified my statement. I remember gordon parks musing over muhammad ali walking the streets saying how people 'loved' him. He thought it was foolish of ali to see the reactions he got as love, he was right for the most part. it's a strange relationship, to use the song title, this fan/star relationship. stars are usually imbalanced in certain ways which set them apart, not just with their drive to be a star but also in many other ways where they can't really relate to people in a "normal" way. I always think it's bizarre when these people end up "isolated", "lonely" when so many people would love to spend a moment with them. they can't really trust fans because they don't know them and if they let them close enough, as many of them learn, they can get burned. but in prince's case, with his family history, i don't think the people who say his fans were family were exagerrating.



I do, in some instances, think it was an exaggeration about "loving fans more than family". Coming from a background of extensive abuse and neglect, I can state unequivocally that I LOVED my family. There were certain members that I maintained a close relationship with, others I wish I had, and yet others that I didn't trust enough to keep close to them, and loved them from afar. There is an interesting dichotomy with children that go through such traumas in their youth, and keep in mind that we don't know the extent of anything Prince went through, as he only alluded to certain things during one or two interviews, but children have a great capacity for forgiveness and love. We may hate what our parents, cousins, other relatives, etc are doing to us, but we find a way to separate that part of that person from the parent, cousin, relative. For me, there was a monster family member, and then there was the family member I loved, two sides to one stone.

Prince kept Tyka close towards the end, she even worked for him. Whether we view their relationship as loving or not, no matter the definition we put on that relationship, or how we view her (or others in his family), we cannot state how Prince felt about his family, truly. He once stated that he forgave people instantly. In the Rolling Stone interview: "I note that some people think what Brown did to Rihanna was unforgivable. He’s shocked. “Unforgivable?” he says. “Goodness. That’s when we go check the master, Christ. … Have you ever instantly forgiven somebody?” I shake my head. “It’s the best feeling in the world, and it totally dismantles that person’s whole stance.” <--- I know that feeling, of instantly forgiving someone, because as a child of trauma, it's something we learn to do. It's when we are older that it becomes more difficult as we look at the problems that trauma caused our lives. But Prince seemed to be able to keep that part of himself. He even dedicated his Piano & Mc concerts to his dad. His mom was at the Celebrations back in 2000, and he even had security guards for her, and a place to sit reserved for her at night at PP.

So we can't speak, really, to how close Prince felt to his family, what he thought of them, felt about them, because we only have conjecture, as does whoever stated that Prince felt closer to his fans than he did his family. Speaking as a suvivor of trauma, I loved (and still do) my family tremendously, even though they hurt me deeply. And it's because I loved them so much that they were able to hurt me so much.

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Reply #185 posted 10/01/18 6:43pm

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PeteSilas said:

i agree, only he could really say, we know tyka and duane sued him, his dad and lorna sold him out for a newstory (in his mind) as i've gotten older, i won't even here anyone speak about my parents, i just won't tolerate it, even from my brother and we had it bad. age changes how you see things, then, i wonder if i coulda done better and i think "no, i don't think i could've"

benni said:



I do, in some instances, think it was an exaggeration about "loving fans more than family". Coming from a background of extensive abuse and neglect, I can state unequivocally that I LOVED my family. There were certain members that I maintained a close relationship with, others I wish I had, and yet others that I didn't trust enough to keep close to them, and loved them from afar. There is an interesting dichotomy with children that go through such traumas in their youth, and keep in mind that we don't know the extent of anything Prince went through, as he only alluded to certain things during one or two interviews, but children have a great capacity for forgiveness and love. We may hate what our parents, cousins, other relatives, etc are doing to us, but we find a way to separate that part of that person from the parent, cousin, relative. For me, there was a monster family member, and then there was the family member I loved, two sides to one stone.

Prince kept Tyka close towards the end, she even worked for him. Whether we view their relationship as loving or not, no matter the definition we put on that relationship, or how we view her (or others in his family), we cannot state how Prince felt about his family, truly. He once stated that he forgave people instantly. In the Rolling Stone interview: "I note that some people think what Brown did to Rihanna was unforgivable. He’s shocked. “Unforgivable?” he says. “Goodness. That’s when we go check the master, Christ. … Have you ever instantly forgiven somebody?” I shake my head. “It’s the best feeling in the world, and it totally dismantles that person’s whole stance.” <--- I know that feeling, of instantly forgiving someone, because as a child of trauma, it's something we learn to do. It's when we are older that it becomes more difficult as we look at the problems that trauma caused our lives. But Prince seemed to be able to keep that part of himself. He even dedicated his Piano & Mc concerts to his dad. His mom was at the Celebrations back in 2000, and he even had security guards for her, and a place to sit reserved for her at night at PP.

So we can't speak, really, to how close Prince felt to his family, what he thought of them, felt about them, because we only have conjecture, as does whoever stated that Prince felt closer to his fans than he did his family. Speaking as a suvivor of trauma, I loved (and still do) my family tremendously, even though they hurt me deeply. And it's because I loved them so much that they were able to hurt me so much.


Exactly. I'm sure Prince felt very hurt by those actions, possibly even betrayed. But, at the end of the day, they are still family, they are still blood. Do you want to go through life holding a grudge against your family, or find some place of peace in that relationship and forgive them for what they've done? It's tiring holding a grudge. I did for years against one family member in particiular, and it was eating away at me. I finally just had to say, "I forgive you" and really mean it. Doing that, brought me more peace in my life.

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Reply #186 posted 10/01/18 8:24pm

SkipperLove

Lorna and Duane sued him. Not Tyka. Sharon and his dad went on Inside Edition. Tyka moaned a bit on the inquirer. I wouldn't assume he didn't forgive them. But it sounds like he had a tough time trusting them at least.

PeteSilas said:

i agree, only he could really say, we know tyka and duane sued him, his dad and lorna sold him out for a newstory (in his mind) as i've gotten older, i won't even here anyone speak about my parents, i just won't tolerate it, even from my brother and we had it bad. age changes how you see things, then, i wonder if i coulda done better and i think "no, i don't think i could've"

benni said:



I do, in some instances, think it was an exaggeration about "loving fans more than family". Coming from a background of extensive abuse and neglect, I can state unequivocally that I LOVED my family. There were certain members that I maintained a close relationship with, others I wish I had, and yet others that I didn't trust enough to keep close to them, and loved them from afar. There is an interesting dichotomy with children that go through such traumas in their youth, and keep in mind that we don't know the extent of anything Prince went through, as he only alluded to certain things during one or two interviews, but children have a great capacity for forgiveness and love. We may hate what our parents, cousins, other relatives, etc are doing to us, but we find a way to separate that part of that person from the parent, cousin, relative. For me, there was a monster family member, and then there was the family member I loved, two sides to one stone.

Prince kept Tyka close towards the end, she even worked for him. Whether we view their relationship as loving or not, no matter the definition we put on that relationship, or how we view her (or others in his family), we cannot state how Prince felt about his family, truly. He once stated that he forgave people instantly. In the Rolling Stone interview: "I note that some people think what Brown did to Rihanna was unforgivable. He’s shocked. “Unforgivable?” he says. “Goodness. That’s when we go check the master, Christ. … Have you ever instantly forgiven somebody?” I shake my head. “It’s the best feeling in the world, and it totally dismantles that person’s whole stance.” <--- I know that feeling, of instantly forgiving someone, because as a child of trauma, it's something we learn to do. It's when we are older that it becomes more difficult as we look at the problems that trauma caused our lives. But Prince seemed to be able to keep that part of himself. He even dedicated his Piano & Mc concerts to his dad. His mom was at the Celebrations back in 2000, and he even had security guards for her, and a place to sit reserved for her at night at PP.

So we can't speak, really, to how close Prince felt to his family, what he thought of them, felt about them, because we only have conjecture, as does whoever stated that Prince felt closer to his fans than he did his family. Speaking as a suvivor of trauma, I loved (and still do) my family tremendously, even though they hurt me deeply. And it's because I loved them so much that they were able to hurt me so much.

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Reply #187 posted 10/01/18 8:44pm

SkipperLove

I have to say I do feel hurt and betrayed by those folks who left his vulnerable a$$ alone in the early hours of April 21, 2016.

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Reply #188 posted 10/01/18 9:35pm

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Why hasnt the OP posted after 7 pages?

Hmmmm

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Reply #189 posted 10/01/18 10:31pm

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I feel hurt and betrayed that he lied to us about his addiction and intimate relationships with women I went to PP on Sunday. I understand that he had to lie about so much of what he was doing because he would have been disassociated from the Jehovah Witnesses organization. But does anyone know when was the last time he visited a Kingdom Hall? Also is there a transcript of the interview that the police had with Larry Graham?

He didn't lie to you. It was his Life. NOT yours. Take your self righteous judgement out of the equation thereby freeing yourself. It matters not when he last set foot inside a JW Hall nor how many women. Really. Truly. He shared his Gifts unselfishly with All. Gifts of the Heart & Soul. His Artistry and Music. If this isn't enough for you perhaps you should seek to realize and actualize your own creativity and human kindness and compassion. Be well.

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Reply #190 posted 10/01/18 10:46pm

PeteSilas

SkipperLove said:

Lorna and Duane sued him. Not Tyka. Sharon and his dad went on Inside Edition. Tyka moaned a bit on the inquirer. I wouldn't assume he didn't forgive them. But it sounds like he had a tough time trusting them at least.

PeteSilas said:

i agree, only he could really say, we know tyka and duane sued him, his dad and lorna sold him out for a newstory (in his mind) as i've gotten older, i won't even here anyone speak about my parents, i just won't tolerate it, even from my brother and we had it bad. age changes how you see things, then, i wonder if i coulda done better and i think "no, i don't think i could've"

tyka sued him too I'm fairly sure. I just heard an interview where prince asked the Theo "you think tyka would sue me?" he said no and prince laughed because she already had.

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Reply #191 posted 10/02/18 12:40am

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PeteSilas said:

SkipperLove said:

Lorna and Duane sued him. Not Tyka. Sharon and his dad went on Inside Edition. Tyka moaned a bit on the inquirer. I wouldn't assume he didn't forgive them. But it sounds like he had a tough time trusting them at least.

tyka sued him too I'm fairly sure. I just heard an interview where prince asked the Theo "you think tyka would sue me?" he said no and prince laughed because she already had.

All the Siblings sued him becasue he had Power of attorney over his Johns estate.

Prince "removed"Tyka and put her into rehab at the time..Maybe he protected her..

Not sure what the outcome of the Estate issue was

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Reply #192 posted 10/02/18 4:07am

Heavenispeace

purplefam99 said:

SkipperLove said:

Hell, maybe the man was much more naive and impressionable than people realize. I think he tried so hard to be independent but I still suspect folks were bending his ear for their own purposes. In Michael Bland's interview, he stated that the first time Prince got a Watchtower from Mr. Graham, Prince laughed at it and made fun of it. His initial instinct was not to embrace it. But over time, he gained a mentor/father figure who he eventually bought a house for and excised his wife. I doubt he wasn't being influenced. Maybe he was like a ship tossed around in a storm that that will dock at any port that provides support and structure thinking that he made an independent choice to pick that dock but really the storm drifted him there.

Seahorsie said:

Hummmm yes that is very interesting how life is a circle. Maybe he was naive and impressionable and subceptable as we are Towards him to believe everything he jotted down for a song Was a deep deep reflection of himself. Maybe we are also naive and Prince is our “watchtower” ???? [Edited 10/1/18 10:18am]

He wanted 2 go home, his work on earth was done. Coupled with his near death experience 6 days B4, confirmed I am#transformed

Seeing is believing

Everything points 2 suicide, cuz NDE can never B undone and LOVE on the otherside is PURE.

The challenge now is 4all 2 create Heaven on Earth

I'm sorry, 2 links that might ease pain and understanding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYuBmwgfZuE (NDE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwqgdGFNxVE (Doc Carter, wonderin)

All us Fans will reunite 1Day, Bliss nothing higher then this

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Reply #193 posted 10/02/18 5:21am

violetcrush

PeteSilas said:

purplefam99 said:

i agree i think diagnosing someone after 2 posts is premature, i wonder if psychology 101 says to

medicate after 3 posts??

ya, i don't want to touch that stuff other than to say online, people have certain ways to act when they disagree, one of the major ones is saying they 'need help' it's manipulative, it' phoney and it's plain tired. trying to play with people's heads.

So, everyone who feels the need to seek a Therapist is mentally unstable??? Is that what you are saying here? Wow, then that does not bode well for our society, as there are millions of people who look to therapy as a way to deal with problems and/or emotions that are overwhelming them at any given time in their lives. Since when does suggesting Therapy equate to attempting to psychoanalyze someone?? You all lost me there.

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My original comment simply stated that if the OP, or anyone else finds themselves with such a strong emotional attachment to a celebrity with whom they have never met and did not know personally, but yet are feeling "hurt and betrayed" by that celebrity, it may be more beneficial to seek the advice, comfort, and/or help from a professional for those feelings instead of a Prince fan web site. That is all that I was stating, and I think my response was pretty fair and relevant.

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Reply #194 posted 10/02/18 5:30am

violetcrush

Lovejunky said:

PeteSilas said:

tyka sued him too I'm fairly sure. I just heard an interview where prince asked the Theo "you think tyka would sue me?" he said no and prince laughed because she already had.

All the Siblings sued him becasue he had Power of attorney over his Johns estate.

Prince "removed"Tyka and put her into rehab at the time..Maybe he protected her..

Not sure what the outcome of the Estate issue was

I think Prince trusted no one, including family, once he reached his pinnical of fame with Purple Rain. He felt that friends, family, and associates would want a share of his success, or want something from him, whether deserving of it or not, and it seems they did in many cases. There have been many statements about Prince becoming closed off and distant from everyone once he got to the top.

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Reply #195 posted 10/02/18 5:37am

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violetcrush said:

Lovejunky said:

All the Siblings sued him becasue he had Power of attorney over his Johns estate.

Prince "removed"Tyka and put her into rehab at the time..Maybe he protected her..

Not sure what the outcome of the Estate issue was

I think Prince trusted no one, including family, once he reached his pinnical of fame with Purple Rain. He felt that friends, family, and associates would want a share of his success, or want something from him, whether deserving of it or not, and it seems they did in many cases. There have been many statements about Prince becoming closed off and distant from everyone once he got to the top.

it seems that really took hold in the latter 1987 period and once he was able to sequester himself in Paisley Park

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What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
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Reply #196 posted 10/02/18 5:40am

violetcrush

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

I think Prince trusted no one, including family, once he reached his pinnical of fame with Purple Rain. He felt that friends, family, and associates would want a share of his success, or want something from him, whether deserving of it or not, and it seems they did in many cases. There have been many statements about Prince becoming closed off and distant from everyone once he got to the top.

it seems that really took hold in the latter 1987 period and once he was able to sequester himself in Paisley Park

Yes, for sure.

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Reply #197 posted 10/02/18 5:52am

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violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

it seems that really took hold in the latter 1987 period and once he was able to sequester himself in Paisley Park

Yes, for sure.

and his 'community' as he called it was overall officially gone 1983-1986 crew

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #198 posted 10/02/18 5:57am

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Why hasnt the OP posted after 7 pages?


Hmmmm


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Good question. 🤔
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Reply #199 posted 10/02/18 5:58am

violetcrush

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, for sure.

and his 'community' as he called it was overall officially gone 1983-1986 crew

Right. Everyone he put in place after that era were "yes" men and women. They did what he asked of them, and did not argue or counter his decisions.

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Reply #200 posted 10/02/18 6:16am

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Im hurt and feel betrayed because of Like A Mack

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Reply #201 posted 10/02/18 6:16am

violetcrush

benni said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, i know all that, which is why i quantified my statement. I remember gordon parks musing over muhammad ali walking the streets saying how people 'loved' him. He thought it was foolish of ali to see the reactions he got as love, he was right for the most part. it's a strange relationship, to use the song title, this fan/star relationship. stars are usually imbalanced in certain ways which set them apart, not just with their drive to be a star but also in many other ways where they can't really relate to people in a "normal" way. I always think it's bizarre when these people end up "isolated", "lonely" when so many people would love to spend a moment with them. they can't really trust fans because they don't know them and if they let them close enough, as many of them learn, they can get burned. but in prince's case, with his family history, i don't think the people who say his fans were family were exagerrating.



I do, in some instances, think it was an exaggeration about "loving fans more than family". Coming from a background of extensive abuse and neglect, I can state unequivocally that I LOVED my family. There were certain members that I maintained a close relationship with, others I wish I had, and yet others that I didn't trust enough to keep close to them, and loved them from afar. There is an interesting dichotomy with children that go through such traumas in their youth, and keep in mind that we don't know the extent of anything Prince went through, as he only alluded to certain things during one or two interviews, but children have a great capacity for forgiveness and love. We may hate what our parents, cousins, other relatives, etc are doing to us, but we find a way to separate that part of that person from the parent, cousin, relative. For me, there was a monster family member, and then there was the family member I loved, two sides to one stone.

Prince kept Tyka close towards the end, she even worked for him. Whether we view their relationship as loving or not, no matter the definition we put on that relationship, or how we view her (or others in his family), we cannot state how Prince felt about his family, truly. He once stated that he forgave people instantly. In the Rolling Stone interview: "I note that some people think what Brown did to Rihanna was unforgivable. He’s shocked. “Unforgivable?” he says. “Goodness. That’s when we go check the master, Christ. … Have you ever instantly forgiven somebody?” I shake my head. “It’s the best feeling in the world, and it totally dismantles that person’s whole stance.” <--- I know that feeling, of instantly forgiving someone, because as a child of trauma, it's something we learn to do. It's when we are older that it becomes more difficult as we look at the problems that trauma caused our lives. But Prince seemed to be able to keep that part of himself. He even dedicated his Piano & Mc concerts to his dad. His mom was at the Celebrations back in 2000, and he even had security guards for her, and a place to sit reserved for her at night at PP.

So we can't speak, really, to how close Prince felt to his family, what he thought of them, felt about them, because we only have conjecture, as does whoever stated that Prince felt closer to his fans than he did his family. Speaking as a suvivor of trauma, I loved (and still do) my family tremendously, even though they hurt me deeply. And it's because I loved them so much that they were able to hurt me so much.

It has really come out, especially since his passing, that Prince had quite a normal childhood, in a typical African American neighborhood where people, especially Mothers, looked out for their family and other kids. It is now known that Prince moved out of his Mother's house - not because of any major abuse - but because his Stepfather was strict and didn't want him having his friends over and playing music in the house. Prince moved out in order to be with his friends and to practice playing. Terry Jackson, Prince's childhodd friend, stated in a recent interview that Andre's Mother "adopted" many of the kids in the neighborhood and treated them as her own. He also confirmed that she and Prince's Mother were very close friends, and they had discussed Prince living with her. She knew Prince was safe there. I very much enjoyed hearing some of Terry Jackson's stories about the typical childhood stunts they would pull and funny situations they would find themselves in - all very normal "70's" coming of age stuff.

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All that being said, it seems that Prince still felt abandoned by his Mother - possibly feeling that she favored her husband over him, and should have supported him more in his conflicts with his Stepfather. Prince has stated in interviews that his Mother did not want him to be a musician, probably because she saw his Father struggle with trying to make it. I'm sure Prince was hurt by that, however, he clearly enjoyed sharing his success with her. I read that when she attended his PR concert he had placed a note on her seat that said, "this one's for U", which is very touching. I think much of Prince's relationship problems - with family, friends, girlfriends, etc - were more about his own inner conflicts with control and trust than anything else.

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I think the stories of Prince's "abuse and struggles" during childhood were media driven, and espeically fueled by the Purple Rain movie and the mystery that he created afterward.

[Edited 10/2/18 6:18am]

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Reply #202 posted 10/02/18 7:12am

Mumio

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He wanted 2 go home, his work on earth was done. Coupled with his near death experience 6 days B4, confirmed I am#transformed

Seeing is believing

Everything points 2 suicide, cuz NDE can never B undone and LOVE on the otherside is PURE.

The challenge now is 4all 2 create Heaven on Earth

I'm sorry, 2 links that might ease pain and understanding

https://www.youtube.com/w...YuBmwgfZuE (NDE)

https://www.youtube.com/w...wqgdGFNxVE (Doc Carter, wonderin)

All us Fans will reunite 1Day, Bliss nothing higher then this


Fixed to include links

[Edited 10/2/18 7:20am]

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #203 posted 10/02/18 7:43am

Heavenispeace

Mumio said:

Heavenispeace said:



He wanted 2 go home, his work on earth was done. Coupled with his near death experience 6 days B4, confirmed I am#transformed

Seeing is believing

Everything points 2 suicide, cuz NDE can never B undone and LOVE on the otherside is PURE.

The challenge now is 4all 2 create Heaven on Earth

I'm sorry, 2 links that might ease pain and understanding

https://www.youtube.com/w...YuBmwgfZuE (NDE)

https://www.youtube.com/w...wqgdGFNxVE (Doc Carter, wonderin)

All us Fans will reunite 1Day, Bliss nothing higher then this


Fixed to include links

[Edited 10/2/18 7:20am]

Thanks Mumio !!!

Blessings in Kindness

2gether as one

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Reply #204 posted 10/02/18 8:17am

violetcrush

violetcrush said:

benni said:



I do, in some instances, think it was an exaggeration about "loving fans more than family". Coming from a background of extensive abuse and neglect, I can state unequivocally that I LOVED my family. There were certain members that I maintained a close relationship with, others I wish I had, and yet others that I didn't trust enough to keep close to them, and loved them from afar. There is an interesting dichotomy with children that go through such traumas in their youth, and keep in mind that we don't know the extent of anything Prince went through, as he only alluded to certain things during one or two interviews, but children have a great capacity for forgiveness and love. We may hate what our parents, cousins, other relatives, etc are doing to us, but we find a way to separate that part of that person from the parent, cousin, relative. For me, there was a monster family member, and then there was the family member I loved, two sides to one stone.

Prince kept Tyka close towards the end, she even worked for him. Whether we view their relationship as loving or not, no matter the definition we put on that relationship, or how we view her (or others in his family), we cannot state how Prince felt about his family, truly. He once stated that he forgave people instantly. In the Rolling Stone interview: "I note that some people think what Brown did to Rihanna was unforgivable. He’s shocked. “Unforgivable?” he says. “Goodness. That’s when we go check the master, Christ. … Have you ever instantly forgiven somebody?” I shake my head. “It’s the best feeling in the world, and it totally dismantles that person’s whole stance.” <--- I know that feeling, of instantly forgiving someone, because as a child of trauma, it's something we learn to do. It's when we are older that it becomes more difficult as we look at the problems that trauma caused our lives. But Prince seemed to be able to keep that part of himself. He even dedicated his Piano & Mc concerts to his dad. His mom was at the Celebrations back in 2000, and he even had security guards for her, and a place to sit reserved for her at night at PP.

So we can't speak, really, to how close Prince felt to his family, what he thought of them, felt about them, because we only have conjecture, as does whoever stated that Prince felt closer to his fans than he did his family. Speaking as a suvivor of trauma, I loved (and still do) my family tremendously, even though they hurt me deeply. And it's because I loved them so much that they were able to hurt me so much.

It has really come out, especially since his passing, that Prince had quite a normal childhood, in a typical African American neighborhood where people, especially Mothers, looked out for their family and other kids. It is now known that Prince moved out of his Mother's house - not because of any major abuse - but because his Stepfather was strict and didn't want him having his friends over and playing music in the house. Prince moved out in order to be with his friends and to practice playing. Terry Jackson, Prince's childhodd friend, stated in a recent interview that Andre's Mother "adopted" many of the kids in the neighborhood and treated them as her own. He also confirmed that she and Prince's Mother were very close friends, and they had discussed Prince living with her. She knew Prince was safe there. I very much enjoyed hearing some of Terry Jackson's stories about the typical childhood stunts they would pull and funny situations they would find themselves in - all very normal "70's" coming of age stuff.

*

All that being said, it seems that Prince still felt abandoned by his Mother - possibly feeling that she favored her husband over him, and should have supported him more in his conflicts with his Stepfather. Prince has stated in interviews that his Mother did not want him to be a musician, probably because she saw his Father struggle with trying to make it. I'm sure Prince was hurt by that, however, he clearly enjoyed sharing his success with her. I read that when she attended his PR concert he had placed a note on her seat that said, "this one's for U", which is very touching. I think much of Prince's relationship problems - with family, friends, girlfriends, etc - were more about his own inner conflicts with control and trust than anything else.

*

I think the stories of Prince's "abuse and struggles" during childhood were media driven, and espeically fueled by the Purple Rain movie and the mystery that he created afterward.

[Edited 10/2/18 6:18am]

Here is the link to the interview with Prince's childhood friend Terrance (Terry) Jackson, if you haven't yet listened to it. Great stories by Terry!!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NaG6xIZDEA

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Don't know why I can't paste with hyperlink....oh well, you'll have to copy and paste into YT...

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Reply #205 posted 10/02/18 8:18am

peggyon

Heavenispeace said:

purplefam99 said:

SkipperLove said: Hummmm yes that is very interesting how life is a circle. Maybe he was naive and impressionable and subceptable as we are Towards him to believe everything he jotted down for a song Was a deep deep reflection of himself. Maybe we are also naive and Prince is our “watchtower” ???? [Edited 10/1/18 10:18am]

He wanted 2 go home, his work on earth was done. Coupled with his near death experience 6 days B4, confirmed I am#transformed

Seeing is believing

Everything points 2 suicide, cuz NDE can never B undone and LOVE on the otherside is PURE.

The challenge now is 4all 2 create Heaven on Earth

I'm sorry, 2 links that might ease pain and understanding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYuBmwgfZuE (NDE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwqgdGFNxVE (Doc Carter, wonderin)

All us Fans will reunite 1Day, Bliss nothing higher then this

Yes, from what I have read, Near Death Experiences often offer a sense of comfort and peace.

Perhaps his NDE in Moline was also comforting and helped him ease out of this life.

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Reply #206 posted 10/02/18 8:21am

violetcrush

peggyon said:

Heavenispeace said:

He wanted 2 go home, his work on earth was done. Coupled with his near death experience 6 days B4, confirmed I am#transformed

Seeing is believing

Everything points 2 suicide, cuz NDE can never B undone and LOVE on the otherside is PURE.

The challenge now is 4all 2 create Heaven on Earth

I'm sorry, 2 links that might ease pain and understanding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYuBmwgfZuE (NDE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwqgdGFNxVE (Doc Carter, wonderin)

All us Fans will reunite 1Day, Bliss nothing higher then this

Yes, from what I have read, Near Death Experiences often offer a sense of comfort and peace.

Perhaps his NDE in Moline was also comforting and helped him ease out of this life.

I agree. Most accounts of those who have had a NDE confirm that they felt an overwhelming sense of peace and love, and did not want to go back.

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Reply #207 posted 10/02/18 8:27am

ABro

Bland said Prince had to keep people at arm's length to remain intact. One of the most honest and key things anyone who knew him has ever said IMO. I don't see that quote repeated like I do the others that are cherry picked.

"So much has been written about me, & people don't know what's right & what's wrong. I'd rather let them stay confused." ~ Prince.
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Reply #208 posted 10/02/18 8:57am

Mumio

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violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

It has really come out, especially since his passing, that Prince had quite a normal childhood, in a typical African American neighborhood where people, especially Mothers, looked out for their family and other kids. It is now known that Prince moved out of his Mother's house - not because of any major abuse - but because his Stepfather was strict and didn't want him having his friends over and playing music in the house. Prince moved out in order to be with his friends and to practice playing. Terry Jackson, Prince's childhodd friend, stated in a recent interview that Andre's Mother "adopted" many of the kids in the neighborhood and treated them as her own. He also confirmed that she and Prince's Mother were very close friends, and they had discussed Prince living with her. She knew Prince was safe there. I very much enjoyed hearing some of Terry Jackson's stories about the typical childhood stunts they would pull and funny situations they would find themselves in - all very normal "70's" coming of age stuff.

*

All that being said, it seems that Prince still felt abandoned by his Mother - possibly feeling that she favored her husband over him, and should have supported him more in his conflicts with his Stepfather. Prince has stated in interviews that his Mother did not want him to be a musician, probably because she saw his Father struggle with trying to make it. I'm sure Prince was hurt by that, however, he clearly enjoyed sharing his success with her. I read that when she attended his PR concert he had placed a note on her seat that said, "this one's for U", which is very touching. I think much of Prince's relationship problems - with family, friends, girlfriends, etc - were more about his own inner conflicts with control and trust than anything else.

*

I think the stories of Prince's "abuse and struggles" during childhood were media driven, and espeically fueled by the Purple Rain movie and the mystery that he created afterward.

[Edited 10/2/18 6:18am]

Here is the link to the interview with Prince's childhood friend Terrance (Terry) Jackson, if you haven't yet listened to it. Great stories by Terry!!

*

https://www.youtube.com/w...NaG6xIZDEA

*

Don't know why I can't paste with hyperlink....oh well, you'll have to copy and paste into YT...



Fixed it...and thank you.


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Reply #209 posted 10/02/18 9:03am

violetcrush

ABro said:

Bland said Prince had to keep people at arm's length to remain intact. One of the most honest and key things anyone who knew him has ever said IMO. I don't see that quote repeated like I do the others that are cherry picked.

I really like Michael, and very much enjoyed his interview with Peach & Black, but that comment is a bit vague to me. It sounds the same as saying that Prince had to keep people at arm's length in order to stay in control, which is what many associates have said in the past - "remain intact" and "stay in control" are very similar phrases.

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In Matt Thorne's Biography, I liked Susannah Melvoin's comment when she was asked why, after becoming so close with Wendy & Lisa, he abruptly ended their collaboration, and she said something to the effect of, "he put the wall back up so he could stay safe with his heart"....not her exact words, but someithing very similar. I'll have to find that discussion.

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