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Reply #60 posted 09/25/18 8:49pm

SkipperLove

Maybe he just wanted what he thought was the best thing for others and himself when at his best.

sulls said:

If his preaching kept you from engaging in illicit activities, or helped you be more kind or spiritual, then you should feel happy and thankful.

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Reply #61 posted 09/25/18 9:16pm

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P was an enigma and you will never be able to rationalize his behavior.


Which is what attracted me to his music many, many moons ago.


Let it go.

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Reply #62 posted 09/25/18 11:38pm

ABro

djThunderfunk said:

I feel hurt and betrayed by fellow fans that harshly judge Prince for being human.


So do i.

I have a difficult time also with "fans" who stan for those who have caused him long-term damage via their statements since he passed. One sided, subjective, & often witness lacking scenarios have been readily incorporated into the lore as stone cold fact.

[Edited 9/25/18 23:49pm]

"So much has been written about me, & people don't know what's right & what's wrong. I'd rather let them stay confused." ~ Prince.
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Reply #63 posted 09/25/18 11:48pm

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I just miss him & wish he was still here, playing music, getting the help he needed... I’m hurt that his people didn’t surround him until he got that help... sigh
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #64 posted 09/26/18 1:17am

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You don't go around and tell folks that you don't have "Fans" you have "Friends" Fans are fanatical... Yes he gave us music but then he began to connect with us on a human level and tell us about Love and Jehovah.



Furthermore, Kirk Johnson and all the others that thought of themselves as his friend should have turned his ass in. If you love someone, you don't let them ride around in cars without a seatbelt when you know that it can save their lives. If I knew of Prince's addiction and I worked with him, then I would have told the leaders of the Kingdom Hall. I would have gone to his sister and told him that either he goes in rehab or I will go tell the world about his addiction.



He could have hated me for the rest of my life but at least I won't have to suffer with the eternal thought that I helped contribute to his death by remaining silent.



He told how he was a "slave" to the industry and wanted to make things transparent. Ok well he should have done the same about his pain and his addiction. He shouldn't have put up the facade that he is invinsible. He bragged about how good he looked at his age but in the inside he was a wreck. So fuck him for being a liar. One day we will learn the truth about why so many women came and went in his life. They probably knew he was a tiny phoney and was condescending. He truly had the Napolean Complex.



But I love him because he is my brother. Spiritually I connected with him.


It's no one's fault but your own for being so naive - especially about his womanizing. Prince and the ladies has always been a thing. He didn't appear to practice monogomy despite what he may have said. Sometimes as adults we need to just not blindly accept what someone says when their is obvious evidence of the contrary.
You are taking this waaaaay too personal. It's actually unsettling how butt hurt you are about this. I think you are mad at yourself for still believing in fairy tales. It sucks to grow up. That's not Prince's fault. Educate yourself about addiction. You might better understand why he said and did the things he did.
The one thing I do agree with is that his people should have done more sooner to help him. They should have surrounded him and protected him 24/7 until he was in the right hands. If he wasn't as involved with the Witnesses at the end I could see why they didn't go that route, but it doesn't excuse Larry G - his so-called mentor in that realm - of not reaching out to Prince or being more proactive about helping him in his time of need.
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It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #65 posted 09/26/18 1:23am

ABro

I tend not to describe Prince as an addict or someone who was addicted, from what I can gather (as a 30+ yr hardcore collector & someone who has read everything carefully post '16) it appears he was dealing with pain and pain management, if I have to label it I prefer to use the word dependant. Michael Bland amongst others says the same, pain/pain management.

"So much has been written about me, & people don't know what's right & what's wrong. I'd rather let them stay confused." ~ Prince.
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Reply #66 posted 09/26/18 1:23am

Guitarhero

I get hurt by all the bigotry and xenophobia allowed to fester on the org.

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Reply #67 posted 09/26/18 1:30am

ABro

Guitarhero said:

I get hurt by all the bigotry and xenophobia allowed to fester on the org.

shhh you trying to get the thread deleted bruh? censored lol

"So much has been written about me, & people don't know what's right & what's wrong. I'd rather let them stay confused." ~ Prince.
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Reply #68 posted 09/26/18 2:38am

ForceofNature

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I feel hurt and betrayed that he lied to us about his addiction and intimate relationships with women

You don't know the dude, why should he tell you about his intimate relationships with women? This is seriously a very odd thing to be hurt about - boredoring on unhealthy

[Edited 9/26/18 2:52am]

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Reply #69 posted 09/26/18 2:39am

ForceofNature

This is a weird thread

[Edited 9/26/18 2:53am]

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Reply #70 posted 09/26/18 3:03am

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Guitarhero said:

I get hurt by all the bigotry and xenophobia allowed to fester on the org.


yeahthat
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Reply #71 posted 09/26/18 6:23am

PURPLEIZED3121

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



P was an enigma and you will never be able to rationalize his behavior.


Which is what attracted me to his music many, many moons ago.


Let it go.

perfect response.

I too felt like the OP for months but have moved on to a place of empathy & genuine sympathy for him. Nothing but love for him.

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Reply #72 posted 09/26/18 9:10am

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To the OP- I guess if we have never been addicted, we don't know what it is like. I have had addicted family members, and they basically have told me I don't know what it is like, so I know now in my heart they are right.

All have fallen short of the Glory of God...we are all FLAWED. I am, you are, and so is everyone else on here. Let's put this thread to rest and put on our music!

whew

Good morning children...take a look out your window, the world is falling...
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Reply #73 posted 09/26/18 9:11am

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Alot of fans are still grieving.
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Reply #74 posted 09/26/18 9:38am

purplefam99

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purplefam99 said:

And I’m sure there are more than a few who felt betrayed When he no longer was nasty lyric loving Prince. Perhaps there is a point Of injury for all.

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You are correct. The Rainbow Children caused a lot of Prince's fans to feel betrayed that he was openly embracing orthodox religion as well as a more Afrocentric view of life. Of course, I never understood those people who were floored or surprised by Prince becoming a JW or embracing a more orthodox approach to religion. If one had been paying attention to even his earliest work, one would have known that becoming more orthodox in his approach was a possibility, given that he had always worked within the structure of the Abrahamic or Judeo-Christian framework. Also, I think that early works, like Around the World in a Day, should have signified to most the way that it signified to me that Prince was so creative and such his own person that a time may come when he does something that I just don't like. And, when that time finally arrived, HitnRun Phase 1, it was no big deal to me because I think it's somewhat foolish to think that I'm going to like or be moved by everything that another human being produces. That type of expectation just doesn't make sense. So, the fact that I have enjoyed the vast majority of Prince's work is much greater than the disappointments, and take joy in that...well, that, and the fact that I don't have to listen to HitnRun Phase 1.

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And, there is the notion that someone else--not you--on this thread said that Prince could be preachy. The truth is that Prince was ALWAYS preachy; it's just that later in his life, when he became more orthodox, it wasn't that Prince was preachy that bothered some folks. It was his position that bothered them. And, of course, folks have a right to disagree with their favorite artist's various positions, but they should, at least, be honest that it's not that he was preachy that bothers them but that he was not preaching what they believe.

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And, I guess all of this brings me to the OP, or my inability to understand the OP's sorrow. My parents taught me from childhood that people, no matter how talented they are, are not perfect; they are just people. So, we enjoy what we like from them and ignore the rest, unless they are engaged in something that promotes harm to others. So, I appreciate you consoling the OP. I should have more heart. But, I just can't fathom that someone could feel betrayed that another human being is just human.

i agree with your comments.^^

i guess it can be viewed as consoling. The OP said they had a visit to PP as recent as this past Sunday, perhaps they are just opening the door to mourning. i was just offering up the same opportunity to the OP to be

human as we have offered to Prince. i can't control the OP's feelings, nor could i P's but i do

recognize they both deserve the " hey i am human". i can't favor P with humanity and deny that to the OP. i offer P humanity no matter his motives regarding women, church and music, i do the same on this thread. As long

as the feeling of betrayal and the actuality of it aren't confused, then i think feelings are feelings

and usually fade with time. Your ability to say "i should have more heart" is you being

human and i appreciate that.

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Reply #75 posted 09/26/18 9:38am

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It's no one's fault but your own for being so naive - especially about his womanizing. Prince and the ladies has always been a thing. He didn't appear to practice monogomy despite what he may have said. Sometimes as adults we need to just not blindly accept what someone says when their is obvious evidence of the contrary. You are taking this waaaaaay too personal. It's actually unsettling how butt hurt you are about this. I think you are mad at yourself for still believing in fairy tales. It sucks to grow up. That's not Prince's fault. Educate yourself about addiction. You might better understand why he said and did the things he did. The one thing I do agree with is that his people should have done more sooner to help him. They should have surrounded him and protected him 24/7 until he was in the right hands. If he wasn't as involved with the Witnesses at the end I could see why they didn't go that route, but it doesn't excuse Larry G - his so-called mentor in that realm - of not reaching out to Prince or being more proactive about helping him in his time of need. [Edited 9/26/18 1:28am]

Absolutely agree.

Prince probably was an ashole, just like you and me, but highly talented in music and performance.

In other words; he was human, just like we all are (i hope). wink

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Imagine working for Prince, who actually behaved like his name in the 18th century !

Can you imagine how one shoud've done that ? Telling him he should seek for help ?

You would be fired instantely i'm afraid. He didn't like to be contradicted.

I can't help but think that Prince so often fired his staff, lawyers, people in charge and musicians, engineers, etc.

And I can't help to think that Larry G. was only in it for a personal platform.

Haven't heard much of him ever since.

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Reply #76 posted 09/26/18 10:00am

purplefam99

sonshine said:

djchitown said:

You don't go around and tell folks that you don't have "Fans" you have "Friends" Fans are fanatical... Yes he gave us music but then he began to connect with us on a human level and tell us about Love and Jehovah.

Furthermore, Kirk Johnson and all the others that thought of themselves as his friend should have turned his ass in. If you love someone, you don't let them ride around in cars without a seatbelt when you know that it can save their lives. If I knew of Prince's addiction and I worked with him, then I would have told the leaders of the Kingdom Hall. I would have gone to his sister and told him that either he goes in rehab or I will go tell the world about his addiction.

He could have hated me for the rest of my life but at least I won't have to suffer with the eternal thought that I helped contribute to his death by remaining silent.

He told how he was a "slave" to the industry and wanted to make things transparent. Ok well he should have done the same about his pain and his addiction. He shouldn't have put up the facade that he is invinsible. He bragged about how good he looked at his age but in the inside he was a wreck. So fuck him for being a liar. One day we will learn the truth about why so many women came and went in his life. They probably knew he was a tiny phoney and was condescending. He truly had the Napolean Complex.

But I love him because he is my brother. Spiritually I connected with him.

It's no one's fault but your own for being so naive - especially about his womanizing. Prince and the ladies has always been a thing. He didn't appear to practice monogomy despite what he may have said. Sometimes as adults we need to just not blindly accept what someone says when their is obvious evidence of the contrary. You are taking this waaaaaay too personal. It's actually unsettling how butt hurt you are about this. I think you are mad at yourself for still believing in fairy tales. It sucks to grow up. That's not Prince's fault. Educate yourself about addiction. You might better understand why he said and did the things he did. The one thing I do agree with is that his people should have done more sooner to help him. They should have surrounded him and protected him 24/7 until he was in the right hands. If he wasn't as involved with the Witnesses at the end I could see why they didn't go that route, but it doesn't excuse Larry G - his so-called mentor in that realm - of not reaching out to Prince or being more proactive about helping him in his time of need. [Edited 9/26/18 1:28am]

it has been said here many times we don't know what P was really like despite what he said,

that said, can we be absolutly be sure of the true nature of their friendship, since i don't think

we can then i think the "it doesn't excuse Larry G" is going to far, in my view. i know not liking

larry is popular and a fun pile on. it is hard work i would think minding an adult, mentorship

doesn't always entail minding. Perhaps he chose to guide only by example and speak his

truth but not minding P's movements and actions. If he was a spiritual mentor then P probabaly

got what he wanted/needed from Larry, P was and remained spiritually connected, it seemed anyway. i don't think it anyones duty to mind P, if someone stepped up and chose to then

that was their choice not duty.

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Reply #77 posted 09/26/18 10:24am

MissGrace

I'm not sure why anyone would be hurt or betrayed by Prince's actions, it was none of our business and we all know how private he was. We should be understanding and accepting.

My 2¢ anyway.
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Reply #78 posted 09/26/18 12:01pm

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Guitarhero said:

I get hurt by all the bigotry and xenophobia allowed to fester on the org.

handle them, it is everywhere. Use your words to spotlight and educate. But cyberspace is what it is
I know someone who get's caught in the loop of trying to argue debate fix report everything they see that is a violation of humanity of sorts on the web. Yet the kids are being ignored.

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Reply #79 posted 09/26/18 12:02pm

peggyon

From what I can surmise, Prince likely conducted his life using a double standard which

included his religion. There seemed to be a fair amount of hubris in his make-up.

Just an observation, not a criticism.

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Reply #80 posted 09/26/18 12:09pm

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Prince owed me nothing, I don't owe Prince anything.
He was a human. People put him on a high pedestal, he never ages, he can do everything, he needed no one etc that isn't real.

I liked what I liked and when the musical vision changed too much I found other artists that spoke to me as I developed. I still followed Prince and loved songs.

Prince was a culture of sorts for me so the hurt of his passing is a little deep. But he was a man.

I learn from his successes and mistakes as I do others.

And keep living loving and learning.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #81 posted 09/26/18 12:26pm

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https://nowtoronto.com/music/features/the-revolution-lisa-coleman/

What did you think when he became more focused on being a Jehovah’s Witness and stopped playing a lot of the “dirtier” songs?
Lisa Coleman:

I personally thought it was his right to grow and change. There was a certain part of him that was maturing in a different way. Sexuality to an older person becomes a different thing. It’s more cerebral, more soulful and less physical. I think a person like Prince had to use his spiritual life to bolster that kind of maturity. I’m sure it’s hard to be a public person and to want to grow or change your philosophies about things and learn more about your own life and then try to translate that for your fans. People are either gonna go with you or not. But I think it was just him growing up. And that’s cool.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
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Reply #82 posted 09/26/18 2:15pm

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I really like Lisa's comment above. She seems like a really cool person. I wish he had more people like her around.
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Reply #83 posted 09/26/18 4:08pm

msicfan

If you feel "Hurt and Betrayed" then that is (your) choice. The way you feel is a choice. If you hold another to a higher standard than what is reasonable, then you will continually set yourself up for disappointment and failure. I suggest to put your choice of feelings in to celebrating his life as well as your own life. Appreciate that he was a human as you are. None of know who he had sex with and I'm sure most of it is innuendo. Trust me on this.....when a guy tells you how many women he's had sex with.....to get the true answer....divide what he says by 4.....I'm sure many women are claiming they slept with Prince as well......Look at how many women Wilt Chamberlin and Gene Simmons have claimed to slept with.....But who someone sleeps with is THEIR business.

Ask yourself....Would Prince been "hurt and betrayed" by YOUR choices?

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Reply #84 posted 09/26/18 4:25pm

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Geesh, can anyone just be supportive instead of slapping the op down? Wtf is wrong with all of you? disbelief sad

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Reply #85 posted 09/26/18 5:03pm

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Mumio said:

Geesh, can anyone just be supportive instead of slapping the op down? Wtf is wrong with all of you? disbelief sad

his lead off sentence:I feel hurt and betrayed that he lied to us about his addiction and intimate relationships with women

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Prince didn't lie to me or any of us. It was not our business. And who didn't know about his intimate relationships with women?

I think people are addressing that part because it was Prince's life.
I'm reminded of how people responded to Robin Williams suicide. Accusing him of not being honest or brave or some other terms.

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People have written supportive posts.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
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Reply #86 posted 09/26/18 5:14pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Mumio said:

Geesh, can anyone just be supportive instead of slapping the op down? Wtf is wrong with all of you? disbelief sad

his lead off sentence:I feel hurt and betrayed that he lied to us about his addiction and intimate relationships with women

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Prince didn't lie to me or any of us. It was not our business. And who didn't know about his intimate relationships with women?

I think people are addressing that part because it was Prince's life.
I'm reminded of how people responded to Robin Williams suicide. Accusing him of not being honest or brave or some other terms.

.

People have written supportive posts.



This person feels the way they feel and there is no reason not to show SOME compassion for him/her. The majority of posts seem aimed to make them feel more like shit than they already do.

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Reply #87 posted 09/26/18 5:37pm

RJP1205

Mumio said:

Geesh, can anyone just be supportive instead of slapping the op down? Wtf is wrong with all of you? disbelief sad


Mumio, totally could've, would've, tried to be until the OP's remarks "F--- him for being a liar", called P a "tiny phoney" and other uncalled for remarks ...
[Edited 9/26/18 17:53pm]
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Reply #88 posted 09/26/18 5:38pm

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RJP1205 said:

Mumio said:

Geesh, can anyone just be supportive instead of slapping the op down? Wtf is wrong with all of you? disbelief sad

Mumio, totally could've, would've, tried to be until the OP's remarks "F#@! him for being a liar", called P a "tiny phoney" and other uncalled for remarks ...



eek

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Reply #89 posted 09/26/18 7:05pm

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RJP1205 said:

Mumio said:

Geesh, can anyone just be supportive instead of slapping the op down? Wtf is wrong with all of you? disbelief sad

Mumio, totally could've, would've, tried to be until the OP's remarks "F--- him for being a liar", called P a "tiny phoney" and other uncalled for remarks ... [Edited 9/26/18 17:53pm]



Yeah.....could definitely have done without that.

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