djchitown said:

I feel hurt and betrayed that he lied to us about his addiction and intimate relationships with women I went to PP on Sunday. I understand that he had to lie about so much of what he was doing because he would have been disassociated from the Jehovah Witnesses organization. But does anyone know when was the last time he visited a Kingdom Hall? Also is there a transcript of the interview that the police had with Larry Graham?

Did you tell Prince all your secrets and personal things?

I know your pain OP, I feel hurt and upset because I've been listening to NWA and Dr Dre for years and I've just found out that he doesn't actually have a real life PhD. Dude straight up betrayed me.

Do I feel betrayed by his choices regarding His private life? NO

Do I feel betrayed by his music? NO

Do I feel betrayed because it's gone? YES and again YES .... The only betrayal I see is that he left ...

[Edited 9/25/18 13:10pm]

RodeoSchro said:

djchitown said:

I feel hurt and betrayed that he lied to us about his addiction and intimate relationships with women I went to PP on Sunday. I understand that he had to lie about so much of what he was doing because he would have been disassociated from the Jehovah Witnesses organization. But does anyone know when was the last time he visited a Kingdom Hall? Also is there a transcript of the interview that the police had with Larry Graham?

Did you tell Prince all your secrets and personal things?

i ain't gonna be to hard on the person, when you're a fan, you like to be proud of your guy, I love how Springsteen never touches drugs, if it ever comes out that he od'd i'd be shocked too, not too dissapointed though, lost too many heroes to drugs for it to surprise me anymore.

Prince was kinda preachy at tmes, y'all

peggyon said:

Prince was kinda preachy at tmes, y'all

Have you ever noted that over the decades he got very specific about a lot of things? I only say that because I get since we didn't have all the information there were a lot of assumptions on our part that he was saying things he really wasn't saying. If you go and listen you'll note those things. He has brought up pills in his music truth be told.

PeteSilas said:

RodeoSchro said:

Did you tell Prince all your secrets and personal things?

i ain't gonna be to hard on the person, when you're a fan, you like to be proud of your guy, I love how Springsteen never touches drugs, if it ever comes out that he od'd i'd be shocked too, not too dissapointed though, lost too many heroes to drugs for it to surprise me anymore.

Have you read The Boss's book? It's awesome. The first 200 pages are the most fun I've had reading a book in a long time. Bruce's youth was NOTHING like I thought and man! I wish I could have lived like he did!

He touches a lot on his late-life depression. That's illuminating, too.

RodeoSchro said:

PeteSilas said:

i ain't gonna be to hard on the person, when you're a fan, you like to be proud of your guy, I love how Springsteen never touches drugs, if it ever comes out that he od'd i'd be shocked too, not too dissapointed though, lost too many heroes to drugs for it to surprise me anymore.

Have you read The Boss's book? It's awesome. The first 200 pages are the most fun I've had reading a book in a long time. Bruce's youth was NOTHING like I thought and man! I wish I could have lived like he did!

He touches a lot on his late-life depression. That's illuminating, too.

ya, well, i listened to the audio read by the man himself, it was brilliant, the best bio by or about a rocker and i've read alot (chuck berry's might be second, elvis had some great ones of course).

dodger said:

rdhull said:

Im hurt and feel betrayed because of Like A Mack

That hurt me too. And I was betrayed after being told if I wasn't a Rita bot I was a blood clot

I cant with this

What's a dj SHIT own ?

[Edited 9/25/18 15:52pm]

djchitown said:

You don't go around and tell folks that you don't have "Fans" you have "Friends" Fans are fanatical... Yes he gave us music but then he began to connect with us on a human level and tell us about Love and Jehovah.

Furthermore, Kirk Johnson and all the others that thought of themselves as his friend should have turned his ass in. If you love someone, you don't let them ride around in cars without a seatbelt when you know that it can save their lives. If I knew of Prince's addiction and I worked with him, then I would have told the leaders of the Kingdom Hall. I would have gone to his sister and told him that either he goes in rehab or I will go tell the world about his addiction.

He could have hated me for the rest of my life but at least I won't have to suffer with the eternal thought that I helped contribute to his death by remaining silent.

He told how he was a "slave" to the industry and wanted to make things transparent. Ok well he should have done the same about his pain and his addiction. He shouldn't have put up the facade that he is invinsible. He bragged about how good he looked at his age but in the inside he was a wreck. So fuck him for being a liar. One day we will learn the truth about why so many women came and went in his life. They probably knew he was a tiny phoney and was condescending. He truly had the Napolean Complex.

But I love him because he is my brother. Spiritually I connected with him.

djchitown said:

You don't go around and tell folks that you don't have "Fans" you have "Friends" Fans are fanatical... Yes he gave us music but then he began to connect with us on a human level and tell us about Love and Jehovah.

Furthermore, Kirk Johnson and all the others that thought of themselves as his friend should have turned his ass in. If you love someone, you don't let them ride around in cars without a seatbelt when you know that it can save their lives. If I knew of Prince's addiction and I worked with him, then I would have told the leaders of the Kingdom Hall. I would have gone to his sister and told him that either he goes in rehab or I will go tell the world about his addiction.

He could have hated me for the rest of my life but at least I won't have to suffer with the eternal thought that I helped contribute to his death by remaining silent.

He told how he was a "slave" to the industry and wanted to make things transparent. Ok well he should have done the same about his pain and his addiction. He shouldn't have put up the facade that he is invinsible. He bragged about how good he looked at his age but in the inside he was a wreck. So fuck him for being a liar. One day we will learn the truth about why so many women came and went in his life. They probably knew he was a tiny phoney and was condescending. He truly had the Napolean Complex.

But I love him because he is my brother. Spiritually I connected with him.

you have got a point, that/his message at certain times was as front and center as the music.

so i can see if that was a connection point one could feel like the "preacher done came and stole the

church". well it does feel awful when our faith leaders fail us but they are human too and no better.

we must always remember who they are really telling us to love. God.

but i respect your need to vent.

[Edited 9/25/18 18:18pm]

i guess i've been let down more than average so I wouldn't hold anything against prince, i feel bad that a great man felt he had to hide all that shit because he'd backed himself into a corner. We don't know everything, far from it, so many people have so many contradictory stories. and the pain? hell, why can't people understand that, almost everyone has faced real pain in their lives, hell, i bit the side of my jaw yesterday and felt a pain so bad that i would probably gladly take a pill if I felt like that all the time. Prince probably felt guilty about his habit, he hid, he did a lot in secrecy because he knew it was wrong. Maybe if he'd been a normal rockstar where people assume they are druggies it wouldn't have been like that but he always put the in control, human force of nature front up.

i gt your point djchitown. i try not to take it personally and remember that a lot of what he sang about and talked about helped me. ultimately i forgive him for misrepresenting his lifestyle. which he did. but i still love him and his work anyway

RJP1205 said:

djchitown said:

Yes he owed all of truth since that is what he preached. Also as a JW he was to be held at a higher standard than you or I.

Why should JW's be held to a higher standard? Does God hold them to a higher standard? Are they more special, loved, saved, closer to perfection? I know firsthand that JW's have just as many skeletons in their closets as anyone else. They are imperfect humans. All Christian religions claim to be based on scripture but have morphed into adherence to man-made rules that allow you to be part of their particular sect and the JW's are no different. And I'm not saying there isn't good in them but God judges the heart not the religion and from all we've heard about Prince...his quiet charity donations, his care for those less fortunate, his kindness and generosity of time (see POSITIVITY sticky), I'd say his heart was good.

Yes JWs are held to a higher standard. I have studied with JWs for 3 years and was an Unbaptized Publisher. JWs don't baptize babies. A person must be intelligent enough to understand that he is entering into a covenant with God. One must either be faithful in marriage or be single and celibate in order to be baptized. If a person is actively engaging in sex or even doing things questionable with a woman like having her spend the night with him at his place, then he will be reprimanded by the JWs. JWs are very protective over Jehovah's Earthly Organization. They will not allow people to act like those in Christendom and sin at night and ask for forgiveness every morning and think that Jehovah approves.

If you love someone and they kill themselves without ever telling you that they are hurting then you and I have the right to be angry with that person. Especially if you felt that the always loved that person unconditionally. They (HE) owed the right to surrender his life into the hands of the Elders of his Hall and inform them that he can't manage his life any longer. As Christians we surrender to God and tell him that we are weak and can't do his will without the assistance of others. That is why we have churches and Kingdom Halls, etc... so that others will surround God's children and offer assistance and protection.

Prince told us "Don't Let the Elevator Bring You Down." So many of his lyrics were telling us how to get through this life. Humility was a trait that I guess Prince didn't have.

aha!

RJP1205 said:

Yes JWs are held to a higher standard. I have studied with JWs for 3 years and

rdhull said:

RJP1205 said:

djchitown said:

RJP1205 said:

djchitown said: Why should JW's be held to a higher standard? Does God hold them to a higher standard? Are they more special, loved, saved, closer to perfection? I know firsthand that JW's have just as many skeletons in their closets as anyone else. They are imperfect humans. All Christian religions claim to be based on scripture but have morphed into adherence to man-made rules that allow you to be part of their particular sect and the JW's are no different. And I'm not saying there isn't good in them but God judges the heart not the religion and from all we've heard about Prince...his quiet charity donations, his care for those less fortunate, his kindness and generosity of time (see POSITIVITY sticky), I'd say his heart was good.

Yes JWs are held to a higher standard. I have studied with JWs for 3 years and

aha!

djchitown said:

I feel hurt and betrayed that he lied to us about his addiction and intimate relationships with women I went to PP on Sunday. I understand that he had to lie about so much of what he was doing because he would have been disassociated from the Jehovah Witnesses organization. But does anyone know when was the last time he visited a Kingdom Hall? Also is there a transcript of the interview that the police had with Larry Graham?

I'm understand this feeling. Doesn't define how we feel about Prince's time here with us, but it isn't without some reasonable merit. For "me" the The rainbow children is dumpster fire of theology preaching. Almost the whole album concept is cringeworthy.

Prince shaming drug usage was dissapointing.

purplefam99 said:

And I’m sure there are more than a few who felt betrayed When he no longer was nasty lyric loving Prince. Perhaps there is a point Of injury for all.

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You are correct. The Rainbow Children caused a lot of Prince's fans to feel betrayed that he was openly embracing orthodox religion as well as a more Afrocentric view of life. Of course, I never understood those people who were floored or surprised by Prince becoming a JW or embracing a more orthodox approach to religion. If one had been paying attention to even his earliest work, one would have known that becoming more orthodox in his approach was a possibility, given that he had always worked within the structure of the Abrahamic or Judeo-Christian framework. Also, I think that early works, like Around the World in a Day, should have signified to most the way that it signified to me that Prince was so creative and such his own person that a time may come when he does something that I just don't like. And, when that time finally arrived, HitnRun Phase 1, it was no big deal to me because I think it's somewhat foolish to think that I'm going to like or be moved by everything that another human being produces. That type of expectation just doesn't make sense. So, the fact that I have enjoyed the vast majority of Prince's work is much greater than the disappointments, and take joy in that...well, that, and the fact that I don't have to listen to HitnRun Phase 1.

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And, there is the notion that someone else--not you--on this thread said that Prince could be preachy. The truth is that Prince was ALWAYS preachy; it's just that later in his life, when he became more orthodox, it wasn't that Prince was preachy that bothered some folks. It was his position that bothered them. And, of course, folks have a right to disagree with their favorite artist's various positions, but they should, at least, be honest that it's not that he was preachy that bothers them but that he was not preaching what they believe.

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And, I guess all of this brings me to the OP, or my inability to understand the OP's sorrow. My parents taught me from childhood that people, no matter how talented they are, are not perfect; they are just people. So, we enjoy what we like from them and ignore the rest, unless they are engaged in something that promotes harm to others. So, I appreciate you consoling the OP. I should have more heart. But, I just can't fathom that someone could feel betrayed that another human being is just human.

Prince wrote Rainbow Children in 2001. He was a man with duality. I am not hurt or betrayed. I am just sad he's gone. Imperfections and all.

Rev said:

djchitown said:

I feel hurt and betrayed that he lied to us about his addiction and intimate relationships with women I went to PP on Sunday. I understand that he had to lie about so much of what he was doing because he would have been disassociated from the Jehovah Witnesses organization. But does anyone know when was the last time he visited a Kingdom Hall? Also is there a transcript of the interview that the police had with Larry Graham?

I'm understand this feeling. Doesn't define how we feel about Prince's time here with us, but it isn't without some reasonable merit. For "me" the The rainbow children is dumpster fire of theology preaching. Almost the whole album concept is cringeworthy.

Prince shaming drug usage was dissapointing.

True.

onlyforaminute said:

peggyon said:

Prince was kinda preachy at tmes, y'all

Have you ever noted that over the decades he got very specific about a lot of things? I only say that because I get since we didn't have all the information there were a lot of assumptions on our part that he was saying things he really wasn't saying. If you go and listen you'll note those things. He has brought up pills in his music truth be told.

Rev said:

djchitown said:

I feel hurt and betrayed that he lied to us about his addiction and intimate relationships with women I went to PP on Sunday. I understand that he had to lie about so much of what he was doing because he would have been disassociated from the Jehovah Witnesses organization. But does anyone know when was the last time he visited a Kingdom Hall? Also is there a transcript of the interview that the police had with Larry Graham?

I'm understand this feeling. Doesn't define how we feel about Prince's time here with us, but it isn't without some reasonable merit. For "me" the The rainbow children is dumpster fire of theology preaching. Almost the whole album concept is cringeworthy.

Prince shaming drug usage was dissapointing.

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And, for me, The Rainbow Children is in my top ten, and the fact that he was a flawed human being who fell short of the ideal that the set for himself does not dampen my love for TRC.

peggyon said:

Prince was kinda preachy at tmes, y'all

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From Dirty Mind to the end, Prince was always preachy.

They left because he pushed them out or wasn't faithful. Those things have always been out there and known to the public. His drug usage and imperfections co-existed with his spiritual side. He only preached because his religion required him to do so..and even that seemed to fall somewhat to the waist side. Other than encouraging folks to have religion of some kind, towards the end of his days, he wasn't doing much shaming of others. One of his last interviews had nothing but sympathy and compassion for those who fell into the trap of drugs, almost as if he is pleading for help or compassion for anyone (possibly including himself) who has gone through that door.

Prince in 2014

It’s speaking about Michael Jackson, however, that he was at his most vulnerable. “I don’t want to talk about it. I’m too close to it,” Prince began when asked if he could have helped the King of Pop before his death in 2009.

He added, however: “He is just one of many who have gone through that door—Amy Winehouse and folks. We’re all connected, right, we’re all brothers and sisters, and the minute we lock that in, we wouldn’t let anybody in our family fall.”

Prince’s words of solidarity with his musical comrades seem all the more prescient now that he, too, he has “gone through that door.”

djchitown said:

You don't go around and tell folks that you don't have "Fans" you have "Friends" Fans are fanatical... Yes he gave us music but then he began to connect with us on a human level and tell us about Love and Jehovah.

Furthermore, Kirk Johnson and all the others that thought of themselves as his friend should have turned his ass in. If you love someone, you don't let them ride around in cars without a seatbelt when you know that it can save their lives. If I knew of Prince's addiction and I worked with him, then I would have told the leaders of the Kingdom Hall. I would have gone to his sister and told him that either he goes in rehab or I will go tell the world about his addiction.

He could have hated me for the rest of my life but at least I won't have to suffer with the eternal thought that I helped contribute to his death by remaining silent.

He told how he was a "slave" to the industry and wanted to make things transparent. Ok well he should have done the same about his pain and his addiction. He shouldn't have put up the facade that he is invinsible. He bragged about how good he looked at his age but in the inside he was a wreck. So fuck him for being a liar. One day we will learn the truth about why so many women came and went in his life. They probably knew he was a tiny phoney and was condescending. He truly had the Napolean Complex.

But I love him because he is my brother. Spiritually I connected with him.