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Reply #120 posted 09/30/18 12:52pm

TKO

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RODSERLING said:

TKO said:

You are wrong in many things.

1) Prince's final new album to chart before his death was HITNRUN: Phase One, which debuted and peaked at No. 70 on the Oct. 3, 2015-dated list.

2) Prince arrives with the first of his two debuts in the top 10: Art Official Age, which bows at No. 5 with 51,000. He also enters at No. 8 with Plectrumelectrum (with the band 3rdEyeGirl; 26,000). Prince is the first act to achieve two simultaneous top 10 debuts in a little more than 10 years. The last act to do so was Nelly, on the chart dated Oct. 2, 2004, when his Suit and Sweat albums started at Nos. 1 and 2, respectively.

He had Two Top 10 albums in 2014 selling 77,000 copies in one week. And also debuted in Top 70 with Hit N Run without promo, singles, video.

This proves with a bit of promo he could pull decent numbers like Art Official Age.

I never claimed the Contrary of the numbers you quoted, So what s the point ? After AOA and PLEC, the latter being his less selling non instrumental album of his whole carreer, BB changed the rules of the charts with adding streaming. . That s why HNR 1 ranked #70 in octobre 2015. And the streaming thing was increasing gmore and more each month, while pure sales, where Prince and others Old acts were holding strong usually, was decreasing more and more. . And, as you pointed out yourself, HNR 2 didn t break the top 200 in its release on décember 2015, with only 2.000 copies sold its first week. . That s far from top Ten. . If Prince were alive, hé would have released HNR3, and it would have peaked at #130 or something. That situation would have only worstening for each subséquent release since hé allowed only Tidal to stream his material. . [Edited 9/30/18 0:59am]

Hit N Run Phase Two didn't even get a traditional release. His music was only available for streaming on TIDAL (a flop streaming service). And remember you could only buy a physical copy on Electric Fetus.

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Reply #121 posted 09/30/18 1:30pm

FunkyMan

The album sold 33,000 copies last week, #3 on the sales chart:

http://hitsdailydouble.com/building_album_chart

However, the total sales+streaming units was 34,993. Since other albums streamed more, it will likely debut at #8 on the overall albums chart:

http://hitsdailydouble.com/sales_plus_streaming

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Reply #122 posted 09/30/18 2:05pm

gandorb

FunkyMan said:

The album sold 33,000 copies last week, #3 on the sales chart:

http://hitsdailydouble.com/building_album_chart

However, the total sales+streaming units was 34,993. Since other albums streamed more, it will likely debut at #8 on the overall albums chart:

http://hitsdailydouble.com/sales_plus_streaming

This was never meant to be a chart buster, given the obscure and unproduced nature of it. Given this, I am pleased that there is enough interest in this type of endeavor to warrant being #3 in sales.

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Reply #123 posted 09/30/18 9:53pm

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renfield said:



feeluupp said:




renfield said:


Prince missed the top ten on Billboard. Probably number 11 or 12. sad





Not surprised, this was not a commercial viable release at all.



No, and top 20 (even top 40) is better than I would have expected when they announced it, but Hits Daily Double gave me some hope.



That s because of the post 2015 rules of adding streaming into the mix.
If not, Piano was #3 on sales.

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What à screw up.
[Edited 9/30/18 22:05pm]
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Reply #124 posted 09/30/18 10:03pm

RODSERLING

TKO said:



RODSERLING said:


TKO said:



You are wrong in many things.



1) Prince's final new album to chart before his death was HITNRUN: Phase One, which debuted and peaked at No. 70 on the Oct. 3, 2015-dated list.



2) Prince arrives with the first of his two debuts in the top 10: Art Official Age, which bows at No. 5 with 51,000. He also enters at No. 8 with Plectrumelectrum (with the band 3rdEyeGirl; 26,000). Prince is the first act to achieve two simultaneous top 10 debuts in a little more than 10 years. The last act to do so was Nelly, on the chart dated Oct. 2, 2004, when his Suit and Sweat albums started at Nos. 1 and 2, respectively.



He had Two Top 10 albums in 2014 selling 77,000 copies in one week. And also debuted in Top 70 with Hit N Run without promo, singles, video.



This proves with a bit of promo he could pull decent numbers like Art Official Age.



I never claimed the Contrary of the numbers you quoted, So what s the point ? After AOA and PLEC, the latter being his less selling non instrumental album of his whole carreer, BB changed the rules of the charts with adding streaming. . That s why HNR 1 ranked #70 in octobre 2015. And the streaming thing was increasing gmore and more each month, while pure sales, where Prince and others Old acts were holding strong usually, was decreasing more and more. . And, as you pointed out yourself, HNR 2 didn t break the top 200 in its release on décember 2015, with only 2.000 copies sold its first week. . That s far from top Ten. . If Prince were alive, hé would have released HNR3, and it would have peaked at #130 or something. That situation would have only worstening for each subséquent release since hé allowed only Tidal to stream his material. . [Edited 9/30/18 0:59am]


Hit N Run Phase Two didn't even get a traditional release. His music was only available for streaming on TIDAL (a flop streaming service). And remember you could only buy a physical copy on Electric Fetus.



Yes, the conséquences of Prince not respecting his terms with WB,streaming added in top 200, not wanting to be in Spotify, his fanbase not buying his albums anymore, etc.that made me state that hé Couldn t crack the top 200 again.
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And then, magically, HNR 1 #80 and HNR 2 out of the top 200. I would have predict à dark future for HNR3 in the charts...
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The conséquence of him being not too Well too, now I understand the lack of promo since 2010, and especially for AOA.
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So in the end hé was forced to do thèse kind of release that Couldn t even make into the top 200.
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I don t how how hé could have escaped from this situation, sadly.
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Reply #125 posted 09/30/18 10:10pm

RODSERLING

databank said:



RODSERLING said:


lwr001 said:
wrong. Sony epic released it as LA Reid, princes friend and label head bet him that if he have him the song he could have it on the radio. prince said how soon, la stated before u get to your car. nothing to do with Zoe

If it has nothing to do with Zoe Deschanel, why this is the duet that was released instead of the solo version released on HNR1? . Why don t release the single with à random girl instead ? . Why LA Reid never thought à Prince song could be à hit before hé recorded with à famous tv star? . Coïncidences, I guess... . [Edited 9/30/18 3:54am]

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If it has nothing to do with Zooey Deschanel, why this is the duet that was released instead of the solo version released on HNR1? Why don t release the single with à random girl instead ?


Because, at least according to Princevault who usually only published sourced information, the song was specifically recorded for the show TV New Girl, starring Zooey. The real question is more "why was the version on HnR without Zooey Deschanel?".


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This tends to suggest LA Reid probably knew from the beginning that she was on the song, which plays in favor of your theory.


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Why LA Reid never thought à Prince song could be à hit before hé recorded with à famous tv star?


IDK, I'm not in his head. Maybe he's on Twitter or FB, maybe someone can ask him?


.


Your theory is in the realm of possibilities. It is made even stronger if one considers that Zooey Deschanel's musical band She & Him signed to Columbia, a Sony sublabel, at about the same time (it was announced a few months after Fallinlove was released). In that case, however, it could just as well be argued that LA Reid's motive was to boost Zooey's visibility and credibility as a singer by releasing a duet between her and a major musical artist, in order to boost She & Him's next album. So maybe Reid wanted to take advantage of Zooey to sell a Prince song, or maybe he wanted to take advantage of Prince to boost Zooey's music career, or maybe he just liked the song and though it had strong potential (it did, it's very radio-friendly), or maybe it was just a friendly bet between 2 old pals. All those theories work, none is verified except that, if LA Reid said it was just a bet, we'll have to take his word for it won't we? Who are we to accuse him of having a hidden agenda if we can't accuse each other?


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I don t see any "hidden agenda " here.
To promote à song with à tv star inside instead of just à Prince solo song was a logical commercial choice.
.
We Are living in à musical World of featuring, look at the Hot 100 (but don t listen to it !).
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Even Eminem needed Rihanna to boost his carreer and to stay relevant commercially.
.
If Prince made a duet with Jay Z or Beyoncé on Musicology or 3121, it would have boost his carreer à lot to.
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Reply #126 posted 10/01/18 12:33pm

databank

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RODSERLING said:

TKO said:



RODSERLING said:


TKO said:



You are wrong in many things.



1) Prince's final new album to chart before his death was HITNRUN: Phase One, which debuted and peaked at No. 70 on the Oct. 3, 2015-dated list.



2) Prince arrives with the first of his two debuts in the top 10: Art Official Age, which bows at No. 5 with 51,000. He also enters at No. 8 with Plectrumelectrum (with the band 3rdEyeGirl; 26,000). Prince is the first act to achieve two simultaneous top 10 debuts in a little more than 10 years. The last act to do so was Nelly, on the chart dated Oct. 2, 2004, when his Suit and Sweat albums started at Nos. 1 and 2, respectively.



He had Two Top 10 albums in 2014 selling 77,000 copies in one week. And also debuted in Top 70 with Hit N Run without promo, singles, video.



This proves with a bit of promo he could pull decent numbers like Art Official Age.



I never claimed the Contrary of the numbers you quoted, So what s the point ? After AOA and PLEC, the latter being his less selling non instrumental album of his whole carreer, BB changed the rules of the charts with adding streaming. . That s why HNR 1 ranked #70 in octobre 2015. And the streaming thing was increasing gmore and more each month, while pure sales, where Prince and others Old acts were holding strong usually, was decreasing more and more. . And, as you pointed out yourself, HNR 2 didn t break the top 200 in its release on décember 2015, with only 2.000 copies sold its first week. . That s far from top Ten. . If Prince were alive, hé would have released HNR3, and it would have peaked at #130 or something. That situation would have only worstening for each subséquent release since hé allowed only Tidal to stream his material. . [Edited 9/30/18 0:59am]


Hit N Run Phase Two didn't even get a traditional release. His music was only available for streaming on TIDAL (a flop streaming service). And remember you could only buy a physical copy on Electric Fetus.



Yes, the conséquences of Prince not respecting his terms with WB,streaming added in top 200, not wanting to be in Spotify, his fanbase not buying his albums anymore, etc.that made me state that hé Couldn t crack the top 200 again.
.
And then, magically, HNR 1 #80 and HNR 2 out of the top 200. I would have predict à dark future for HNR3 in the charts...
.
The conséquence of him being not too Well too, now I understand the lack of promo since 2010, and especially for AOA.
.
So in the end hé was forced to do thèse kind of release that Couldn t even make into the top 200.
.
I don t how how hé could have escaped from this situation, sadly.

I think he didn't care anymore. If I was making a million bucks a nite for a live show like he did, I wouldn't care. Prince's only problem was maintaining his lifestyle. People like Bill Laswell or John Zorn release an album every other month and sell only a few thousand copies and it's OK because they live like normal people. Prince realized long before he died that live shows were the only way 4 him 2 maintain his luxurious lifestyle. He knew and said in interviews that record sales could only be pocket money for multimillionaires like him in this day and age. He was upset about piracy and streamings, but he knew that money wasn't in sales anymore.
[Edited 10/1/18 12:52pm]
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Reply #127 posted 10/01/18 6:53pm

feeluupp

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RODSERLING said:

databank said:

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If it has nothing to do with Zooey Deschanel, why this is the duet that was released instead of the solo version released on HNR1? Why don t release the single with à random girl instead ?

Because, at least according to Princevault who usually only published sourced information, the song was specifically recorded for the show TV New Girl, starring Zooey. The real question is more "why was the version on HnR without Zooey Deschanel?".

.

This tends to suggest LA Reid probably knew from the beginning that she was on the song, which plays in favor of your theory.

.

Why LA Reid never thought à Prince song could be à hit before hé recorded with à famous tv star?

IDK, I'm not in his head. Maybe he's on Twitter or FB, maybe someone can ask him?

.

Your theory is in the realm of possibilities. It is made even stronger if one considers that Zooey Deschanel's musical band She & Him signed to Columbia, a Sony sublabel, at about the same time (it was announced a few months after Fallinlove was released). In that case, however, it could just as well be argued that LA Reid's motive was to boost Zooey's visibility and credibility as a singer by releasing a duet between her and a major musical artist, in order to boost She & Him's next album. So maybe Reid wanted to take advantage of Zooey to sell a Prince song, or maybe he wanted to take advantage of Prince to boost Zooey's music career, or maybe he just liked the song and though it had strong potential (it did, it's very radio-friendly), or maybe it was just a friendly bet between 2 old pals. All those theories work, none is verified except that, if LA Reid said it was just a bet, we'll have to take his word for it won't we? Who are we to accuse him of having a hidden agenda if we can't accuse each other?

.

I don t see any "hidden agenda " here. To promote à song with à tv star inside instead of just à Prince solo song was a logical commercial choice. . We Are living in à musical World of featuring, look at the Hot 100 (but don t listen to it !). . Even Eminem needed Rihanna to boost his carreer and to stay relevant commercially. . If Prince made a duet with Jay Z or Beyoncé on Musicology or 3121, it would have boost his carreer à lot to.

LOL. Boost Prince's career... Who's the one with grammys, an oscar, golden globe and rock and roll hall of fame... rolleyes

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Reply #128 posted 10/01/18 10:06pm

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:



RODSERLING said:


databank said:


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If it has nothing to do with Zooey Deschanel, why this is the duet that was released instead of the solo version released on HNR1? Why don t release the single with à random girl instead ?


Because, at least according to Princevault who usually only published sourced information, the song was specifically recorded for the show TV New Girl, starring Zooey. The real question is more "why was the version on HnR without Zooey Deschanel?".


.


This tends to suggest LA Reid probably knew from the beginning that she was on the song, which plays in favor of your theory.


.


Why LA Reid never thought à Prince song could be à hit before hé recorded with à famous tv star?


IDK, I'm not in his head. Maybe he's on Twitter or FB, maybe someone can ask him?


.


Your theory is in the realm of possibilities. It is made even stronger if one considers that Zooey Deschanel's musical band She & Him signed to Columbia, a Sony sublabel, at about the same time (it was announced a few months after Fallinlove was released). In that case, however, it could just as well be argued that LA Reid's motive was to boost Zooey's visibility and credibility as a singer by releasing a duet between her and a major musical artist, in order to boost She & Him's next album. So maybe Reid wanted to take advantage of Zooey to sell a Prince song, or maybe he wanted to take advantage of Prince to boost Zooey's music career, or maybe he just liked the song and though it had strong potential (it did, it's very radio-friendly), or maybe it was just a friendly bet between 2 old pals. All those theories work, none is verified except that, if LA Reid said it was just a bet, we'll have to take his word for it won't we? Who are we to accuse him of having a hidden agenda if we can't accuse each other?


.



I don t see any "hidden agenda " here. To promote à song with à tv star inside instead of just à Prince solo song was a logical commercial choice. . We Are living in à musical World of featuring, look at the Hot 100 (but don t listen to it !). . Even Eminem needed Rihanna to boost his carreer and to stay relevant commercially. . If Prince made a duet with Jay Z or Beyoncé on Musicology or 3121, it would have boost his carreer à lot to.



LOL. Boost Prince's career... Who's the one with grammys, an oscar, golden globe and rock and roll hall of fame... rolleyes



Commercially, worldwide. Hé would have had a huge hit, like McCartney did to boost his carreer. And now, he has his first number one in the Us and globally since...1982!
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Of course, artistically hé didn t need Beyoncé...But even this is debatable : Tamar or Judith Hill could have been easily replaced by Beyoncé on Beautiful, Loved and Blesséd or Million Dollar Show.
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Q tip's rap in Chocolate Box could have been easily replaced by Jay Z, etc.giving Way more exposition.
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AOA, which is mostly à commercial RNB album attempting to create à sound appealing for the young génération, was the perfect place for some featuring.
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Reply #129 posted 10/02/18 12:46am

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Question....already at this stage...this release is a success for WBR&The Estate...or not?
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Reply #130 posted 10/02/18 3:25am

feeluupp

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It will debut on BILLBOARD at #11

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Reply #131 posted 10/02/18 3:35am

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Piano and a Microphone 1983 will debut at #11 on the Billboard 200, #1 on the Tastemakers chart, #3 on the Top Album Sales chart, #5 on the Digital Albums chart, #3 on the Internet Albums chart, #2 on the Vinyl Albums Chart (#11 is Purple Rain), #1 on the RnB Albums chart, and #7 on the RnB/Hip Hop Albums chart.


https://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=136359

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Reply #132 posted 10/02/18 3:40am

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Moonbeam said:

Piano and a Microphone 1983 will debut at #11 on the Billboard 200, #1 on the Tastemakers chart, #3 on the Top Album Sales chart, #5 on the Digital Albums chart, #3 on the Internet Albums chart, #2 on the Vinyl Albums Chart (#11 is Purple Rain), #1 on the RnB Albums chart, and #7 on the RnB/Hip Hop Albums chart.


https://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=136359

Thank you.

Still waiting for total world wide sales by Media Traffic, should be released this week.

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Reply #133 posted 10/02/18 4:39am

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feeluupp said:

It will debut on BILLBOARD at #11



If à hundred more of orgers had bought the album, it would have been his #20 top Ten album IIRC
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Reply #134 posted 10/02/18 6:13am

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PRINCE|PIANO & A MICROPHONE 19( 3) 31202

31k pure sales without streaming.

#3 in album sales.

His fans are loyal. This is a piano and voice record. Imagine a new studio album.

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Reply #135 posted 10/02/18 6:59am

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TKO said:

PRINCE|PIANO & A MICROPHONE 19( 3) 31202

31k pure sales without streaming.

#3 in album sales.

His fans are loyal. This is a piano and voice record. Imagine a new studio album.

God his streaming numbers are so very low compared to most artists from his era.

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Reply #136 posted 10/02/18 7:06am

TKO

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feeluupp said:

TKO said:

PRINCE|PIANO & A MICROPHONE 19( 3) 31202

31k pure sales without streaming.

#3 in album sales.

His fans are loyal. This is a piano and voice record. Imagine a new studio album.

God his streaming numbers are so very low compared to most artists from his era.

Not really. His music wasn't available for streaming for a long time and he missed a lot of streams but his numbers are slowly getting bigger and bigger. Two songs are about to cross the 100m mark in Spotify. Madonna for example only has 1 song with 100m and her music has been on streaming since day 1.

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Reply #137 posted 10/02/18 7:28am

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To compare his recent U.S. BILLBOARD First Week Sales:

ART OFFICIAL AGE - 51K


PLECTRUMELECTRUM - 26K

HITnRUN PHASE ONE- 6K

HITnRUN PHASE TWO - 2K


PURPLE RAIN DELUX - 52K


PIANO & A MICROPHONE '83 - 34K

[Edited 10/2/18 7:30am]

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Reply #138 posted 10/02/18 7:31am

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Chart (2018)Peak
position
Australian Albums (ARIA)[13] 33
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[14] 4
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia)[15] 23
Canadian Albums (Billboard)[16] 87
Dutch Albums (MegaCharts)[17] 5
German Albums (Offizielle Top 100)[18] 12
Irish Albums (IRMA)[19] 34
Norwegian Albums (VG-lista)[20] 18
Scottish Albums (OCC)[21] 11
Spanish Albums (PROMUSICAE)[22] 8
Swedish Albums (Sverigetopplistan)[23] 12
UK Albums (OCC)[24] 12
US Billboard 200[25] 11

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Reply #139 posted 10/02/18 10:05am

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It becomes his 28th top ten on the R&B/Hip-Hop albums chart, entering at #7.

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Reply #140 posted 10/02/18 10:32am

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love2thenines2003 said:

Question....already at this stage...this release is a success for WBR&The Estate...or not?


I am not qualified to answer that but I sure do hope it's a success. No matter what, if it doesn't pay for WB (or anyone else for that matter) to put the music out there, they will stop doing so. That would be a tragedy for all of us, but realistically, no one works for free, it's all about supply and demand.

The old saying "If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem" really applies here imo. nod

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #141 posted 10/02/18 11:35am

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Mumio said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Question....already at this stage...this release is a success for WBR&The Estate...or not?


I am not qualified to answer that but I sure do hope it's a success. No matter what, if it doesn't pay for WB (or anyone else for that matter) to put the music out there, they will stop doing so. That would be a tragedy for all of us, but realistically, no one works for free, it's all about supply and demand.

The old saying "If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem" really applies here imo. nod

I think this did decently for them, but hopefully they realize they have much better, much more marketeable material than this in the vault. As they continue to log the vault's contents I think this was easiest to release quickly because there was no consideration to track list or cohesiveness; it was a complete 35 minute tape that could be released as-is. The fact that this did as well as it did should give them hope for studio releases in the future.

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Reply #142 posted 10/02/18 11:39am

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renfield said:

Mumio said:


I am not qualified to answer that but I sure do hope it's a success. No matter what, if it doesn't pay for WB (or anyone else for that matter) to put the music out there, they will stop doing so. That would be a tragedy for all of us, but realistically, no one works for free, it's all about supply and demand.

The old saying "If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem" really applies here imo. nod

I think this did decently for them, but hopefully they realize they have much better, much more marketeable material than this in the vault. As they continue to log the vault's contents I think this was easiest to release quickly because there was no consideration to track list or cohesiveness; it was a complete 35 minute tape that could be released as-is. The fact that this did as well as it did should give them hope for studio releases in the future.



I agree with you. They'll put more effort in if they believe it will pay off for them. I'm okay with that, as I said, no one works for free.

[Edited 10/2/18 11:39am]

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #143 posted 10/02/18 12:17pm

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TKO said:

PRINCE|PIANO & A MICROPHONE 19( 3) 31202



31k pure sales without streaming.



#3 in album sales.



His fans are loyal. This is a piano and voice record. Imagine a new studio album.


In fact according toHDD hé is #7 in sales.
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Reply #144 posted 10/02/18 12:35pm

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feeluupp said:

To compare his recent U.S. BILLBOARD First Week Sales:




ART OFFICIAL AGE - 51K







PLECTRUMELECTRUM - 26K






HITnRUN PHASE ONE- 6K






HITnRUN PHASE TWO - 2K








PURPLE RAIN DELUX - 52K








PIANO & A MICROPHONE '83 - 34K





[Edited 10/2/18 7:30am]



Peace my friend, but really PR deluxe sales were really about 38.000 the first week.
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Was Piano... profitable? Yes because it cost nothing to WB and the final product, à digipack with à 6 page booklet is à thievery.
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But, if WB/the estate were smart enough to strike à deal early, They should have released à PR deluxe in June 2016, followed by à greatest Hits from the 1994/2015 era in september, and the Piano...2016 tour in décember. These releases would have gained à lot of attraction, à larger audience, and prepared the ground for other releases.
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Now, everything that is released Can just be commercial suicide, since the momentum of his death is gone.
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When you think that 4Ever litterally cannibalized the sales of TVBO and that it was highly predictable, since I predicted it, you Wonder if they really want to make money.
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Once again, as with the MJ posthumous releases, it would be financially profitable to them to hire fans (and god knows many of them would do it for free) to supervise their releases and to make some sensé into that mess.
[Edited 10/2/18 12:44pm]
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Reply #145 posted 10/02/18 12:43pm

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Mumio said:



renfield said:




Mumio said:




I am not qualified to answer that but I sure do hope it's a success. No matter what, if it doesn't pay for WB (or anyone else for that matter) to put the music out there, they will stop doing so. That would be a tragedy for all of us, but realistically, no one works for free, it's all about supply and demand.



The old saying "If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem" really applies here imo. nod



I think this did decently for them, but hopefully they realize they have much better, much more marketeable material than this in the vault. As they continue to log the vault's contents I think this was easiest to release quickly because there was no consideration to track list or cohesiveness; it was a complete 35 minute tape that could be released as-is. The fact that this did as well as it did should give them hope for studio releases in the future.





I agree with you. They'll put more effort in if they believe it will pay off for them. I'm okay with that, as I said, no one works for free.

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I Can t agréé. I m sure many of us would Work for free to make Prince s legacY more valuable than that.Of course, we don t agréé between us for some thing or not, bit I m confident that in the end it Couldn t be worst.

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They clearly lack passion and cohérence into what they release and their timing.


To think that TMBGITW was the 3rd most played track on radio After his death and it is still not available at least on streaming (!) Is complètely unbelievable. It s as if Beat It wasn t available on streaming, digital and physical support.
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Reply #146 posted 10/02/18 1:32pm

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#11 in France with about 3000 copies.
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Surely the best numbers After the US, the Uk and maybe Japan.
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Reply #147 posted 10/02/18 2:58pm

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RODSERLING said:

I Can t agréé. I m sure many of us would Work for free to make Prince s legacY more valuable than that.Of course, we don t agréé between us for some thing or not, bit I m confident that in the end it Couldn t be worst. . They clearly lack passion and cohérence into what they release and their timing. To think that TMBGITW was the 3rd most played track on radio After his death and it is still not available at least on streaming (!) Is complètely unbelievable. It s as if Beat It wasn t available on streaming, digital and physical support.


My understanding is that it's not available due to a plagiarism lawsuit over the song in Italy.

The big companies like WB and Sony aren't going to work for free for any artist to release music. The estate can't afford to do freebies either given the tax issues and PP maintenance. The heirs won't do so either. It all business for them, none of them created the music so they don't have that same investment in it that Prince did. It's all about the money, as is the case with most everything. I am not villifying any of them for that, this is the world we live in.


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Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #148 posted 10/02/18 8:53pm

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Mumio said:



RODSERLING said:


I Can t agréé. I m sure many of us would Work for free to make Prince s legacY more valuable than that.Of course, we don t agréé between us for some thing or not, bit I m confident that in the end it Couldn t be worst. . They clearly lack passion and cohérence into what they release and their timing. To think that TMBGITW was the 3rd most played track on radio After his death and it is still not available at least on streaming (!) Is complètely unbelievable. It s as if Beat It wasn t available on streaming, digital and physical support.


My understanding is that it's not available due to a plagiarism lawsuit over the song in Italy.

The big companies like WB and Sony aren't going to work for free for any artist to release music. The estate can't afford to do freebies either given the tax issues and PP maintenance. The heirs won't do so either. It all business for them, none of them created the music so they don't have that same investment in it that Prince did. It's all about the money, as is the case with most everything. I am not villifying any of them for that, this is the world we live in.


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You are not Alone was never banned from streaming, digital and physical format because of the plagiarism lawsuit. Why would Sony do that? It s all about authorship, and the label has nothing to do with that.
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So this is not about freebies at all since there is no question that Prince estate won t make money out of TMBGITW. Prince wrote the lyrics for instance, and some parts of the music.
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If it were all About the miney, the estate (whoever it could be) and WB would have signed an agreement in the days following his death in order to make money fast, and see howit goes After.
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If it were all About the money, they would n't have waste more than a year to release PR deluxe (Without the first avenue live!)
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Reply #149 posted 10/02/18 9:24pm

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Mumio said:


My understanding is that it's not available due to a plagiarism lawsuit over the song in Italy.

The big companies like WB and Sony aren't going to work for free for any artist to release music. The estate can't afford to do freebies either given the tax issues and PP maintenance. The heirs won't do so either. It all business for them, none of them created the music so they don't have that same investment in it that Prince did. It's all about the money, as is the case with most everything. I am not villifying any of them for that, this is the world we live in.


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You are not Alone was never banned from streaming, digital and physical format because of the plagiarism lawsuit. Why would Sony do that? It s all about authorship, and the label has nothing to do with that. . So this is not about freebies at all since there is no question that Prince estate won t make money out of TMBGITW. Prince wrote the lyrics for instance, and some parts of the music. . If it were all About the miney, the estate (whoever it could be) and WB would have signed an agreement in the days following his death in order to make money fast, and see howit goes After. . If it were all About the money, they would n't have waste more than a year to release PR deluxe (Without the first avenue live!) .


Well, I seem to be losing the train of thought here but that's fine because I don't have anything more to add really. I do think things are more complicated though when speaking about how business dealings are handled when an estate is in probate (and very complicated and extensive to boot)-but I'm not a lawyer either so can't speak to the specifics on that lol

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Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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