OldFriends4Sale said:

SquirrelMeat said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I always loved that artwork and felt that it could have led to an 'era' look in its own right. Something like the Dance Electric/Roadhouse Garden.

It's rare offical artwork bleeds whats to come, but the paisley shadow, with smaller hair was either a stroke of artistist genius or pure luck.

I have this on a tshirt. I agree, looks like something that would be a post Purple Rain direction

The silloutte is from the 1999 photo

violetcrush said:

DevotedPuppy said:

1. you missed my point

2. black is first and foremost defined as a color. not even sure what your point is but by your train of thought purple in all instances is also not in reference to a 'color' then...

3. thanks for reminding me why I rarely visit or post here anymore

Remember though, when Prince became the symbol in 1993 he stopped playing his hits from the 80's. I think it wasn't until around '97-'98 that he began playing his older songs. He was also denouncing anything "Prince" related, which would include the color purple. He had "killed off" that image.

why do people get offended at facts and truth.

DevotedPuppy lays out the years 1996-2004 when Prince was 'The Artist Formally Known As' and pushing the Gold which didn't go anywhere...

I come from a generation where the one that made it to the finished line was the winner. Today everyone get's a trophy no matter how worked the hardest.

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

2007

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

OF4S - love all of that 90's purple!!! * Wow, he killed off the name Prince and refused to play his hits for several years, but he clearly hung on to the purple...

We can''t forget this one......Purple symbol guitar front and center in front of the world...

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OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

DevotedPuppy said: Remember though, when Prince became the symbol in 1993 he stopped playing his hits from the 80's. I think it wasn't until around '97-'98 that he began playing his older songs. He was also denouncing anything "Prince" related, which would include the color purple. He had "killed off" that image.

why do people get offended at facts and truth.

DevotedPuppy lays out the years 1996-2004 when Prince was 'The Artist Formally Known As' and pushing the Gold which didn't go anywhere...

I come from a generation where the one that made it to the finished line was the winner. Today everyone get's a trophy no matter how worked the hardest.

Facts and truth: I never "layed out the years 1996 - 2004" as when he went by the symbol because that would cleary be incorrect. He was TAFKAP from 1994-2000. I said from about 1996 - 2004 the word purple doesn't appear in the lyrics of officially released of his songs. I said nothing about gold or The Gold Experience, period. Please don't misquote me.

DevotedPuppy said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

why do people get offended at facts and truth.

DevotedPuppy lays out the years 1996-2004 when Prince was 'The Artist Formally Known As' and pushing the Gold which didn't go anywhere...

I come from a generation where the one that made it to the finished line was the winner. Today everyone get's a trophy no matter how worked the hardest.

Facts and truth: I never "layed out the years 1996 - 2004" as when he went by the symbol because that would cleary be incorrect. He was TAFKAP from 1994-2000. I said from about 1996 - 2004 the word purple doesn't appear in the lyrics of officially released of his songs. I said nothing about gold or The Gold Experience, period. Please don't misquote me.

I think the general discussion here is related to his musical persona and those aspects that he decided to associate with his image. Lyrics or not, he never disassociated himself from the color purple. That always remained part of his image.

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Also, by the mid 90's he was fully connected with the color purple. I would imagine that he did not feel the need to write about it in his songs.

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violetcrush said:

bonatoc said:

Like that, all hairy and greasy?
My, someone's hungry.

Sweat and/or body hair aside.....that man really had an exceptional ass. However, the way he dressed and displayed it definitely improved through the years

do not touch me his ass pls .... and 'the only man in the world I look at the bottom .... usually I always look first eyes ... but heck him ...

chaocracy said:

violetcrush said:

Here you go bonatoc.....

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There someting odd about seing him in that ass picture being a normal weight and not super thin. It makes you realize how sickly or almost too thin at times in the later years his body appeared.

That's what I noticed also; and not really just the later years. I can't find the article, but I remember reading something about how "they" (I think Cymone, Dez, Prince) would lift weights, and I was like "darn, why did he go from lifting weights, to the I barely weigh a buck look", and please don't say it was all about him becoming a vegan/vegetarian which changed his weight. Maybe he found being slim attractive, I found him to be way sexier with some more meat and muscle tone. But I know it wasn't about his looks/appearance, just the music (sure, tell that to ledisi, jazmine sullivan, angie stone and all the other great singers who aren't household names).

i did read that he worked out around the PR tour, maybe Bruce Springsteen gave him some ideas, Prince looked like a little muscleman up to the parade era when he was really defined and buff. I also read that he had dumbells in his office in the 92 RS interview. Why didn't he keep working out? Well, considering he did everything to do with his music, I think it would have been kinda hard expecting him to put an hour or two a day to pushing weights. It's understandable. Bruce Springsteen lost his muscles after the Born In the USA era too.

DevotedPuppy said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

why do people get offended at facts and truth.

DevotedPuppy lays out the years 1996-2004 when Prince was 'The Artist Formally Known As' and pushing the Gold which didn't go anywhere...

I come from a generation where the one that made it to the finished line was the winner. Today everyone get's a trophy no matter how worked the hardest.

Facts and truth: I never "layed out the years 1996 - 2004" as when he went by the symbol because that would cleary be incorrect. He was TAFKAP from 1994-2000. I said from about 1996 - 2004 the word purple doesn't appear in the lyrics of officially released of his songs. I said nothing about gold or The Gold Experience, period. Please don't misquote me.

I explained in my first reply to you that the years you laid out where also the period he was not going by his name Prince. Prince wore a lot of purple during that period though. ie the pictures posted

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I also said the Gold Experience was also his attempt to sway from the color purple in associating with the name Prince.
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So you were not misquoted, you were addressed.

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

In 1986 At the premiere of UTCM in Sheridan, WI Martha Quinn from MTV interviewed Prince when he landed at the airport with a crowd cheering his arrival. Martha asked him, "Prince, what do you think of Sheridan, WI? Prince responded, "Purple, all I can say is "Purple"....

Here's the clip of the MTV coverage of the UTCM premiere. Prince describes Sheridan as "purple" at 58 sec mark * https://youtu.be/Rqf9fJM6JsQ

I like that, I've heard him use purple to describe a city or place before. And Erotic City

PeteSilas said:

i did read that he worked out around the PR tour, maybe Bruce Springsteen gave him some ideas, Prince looked like a little muscleman up to the parade era when he was really defined and buff. I also read that he had dumbells in his office in the 92 RS interview. Why didn't he keep working out? Well, considering he did everything to do with his music, I think it would have been kinda hard expecting him to put an hour or two a day to pushing weights. It's understandable. Bruce Springsteen lost his muscles after the Born In the USA era too.

Prince had a weight bench too. In Ripopgodazippa he says, "this bench that I normally use for the weights..." That time period - mid to late 80's was all about working out - gyms were becoming a big thing, and many were getting "fit", as they used to say. I was in my teens and heavily into working out. It was more the norm back then. He also became a Vegetarian around 1989-1990 (per his interview with the Vegetarian Times), so I think that would make a difference too. No doubt he was lacking protein in his diet. He became very thin in the '93-'95 period. If you compare pics of him from the '86 bday show in Detroit to the '94 bday show in Miami he looks like a different person. A bit depressing when you compare the two side by side.

Asenath said:

chaocracy said:

There someting odd about seing him in that ass picture being a normal weight and not super thin. It makes you realize how sickly or almost too thin at times in the later years his body appeared.

That's what I noticed also; and not really just the later years. I can't find the article, but I remember reading something about how "they" (I think Cymone, Dez, Prince) would lift weights, and I was like "darn, why did he go from lifting weights, to the I barely weigh a buck look", and please don't say it was all about him becoming a vegan/vegetarian which changed his weight. Maybe he found being slim attractive, I found him to be way sexier with some more meat and muscle tone. But I know it wasn't about his looks/appearance, just the music (sure, tell that to ledisi, jazmine sullivan, angie stone and all the other great singers who aren't household names).

I think the weight loss was a combination of things. It is very realistic, though, to lose some weight on a vegetarian diet. Protein from meat definitely helps with keeping weight on. When you eliminate meat it's not just the extra protein, but also the fat in the meat that helps to keep weight on. So unless he was inhaling tons of fatty junk food, which we know he did not, a diet consisting of only fruits, vegetables, and some grains will eliminate pounds. He also clearly stopped lifting weights, as the muscle tone that he had in the mid to late 80's was gone by the early 90's.

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There are probably several reasons why he became thinner. Change in diet, emlinination of "muscle building" exercise, and personal things happening in his life. He had the feud with WB going on, and if you listen to most of the songs on the Come album (Solo, Dark, etc) it seems he was not so happy in his personal relationships either.

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

i did read that he worked out around the PR tour, maybe Bruce Springsteen gave him some ideas, Prince looked like a little muscleman up to the parade era when he was really defined and buff. I also read that he had dumbells in his office in the 92 RS interview. Why didn't he keep working out? Well, considering he did everything to do with his music, I think it would have been kinda hard expecting him to put an hour or two a day to pushing weights. It's understandable. Bruce Springsteen lost his muscles after the Born In the USA era too.

Prince had a weight bench too. In Ripopgodazippa he says, "this bench that I normally use for the weights..." That time period - mid to late 80's was all about working out - gyms were becoming a big thing, and many were getting "fit", as they used to say. I was in my teens and heavily into working out. It was more the norm back then. He also became a Vegetarian around 1989-1990 (per his interview with the Vegetarian Times), so I think that would make a difference too. No doubt he was lacking protein in his diet. He became very thin in the '93-'95 period. If you compare pics of him from the '86 bday show in Detroit to the '94 bday show in Miami he looks like a different person. A bit depressing when you compare the two side by side.

Now doubt his metabolism had to find a way to still function, given his self-imposed workload. I doubt he was taking drugs at the time. Pale Prince is a result of a ton of make-up (the paparazzi flashes just bounce on foundation, making him all white) to probably mask the face of a man who runs on midnight oil. You can't erase 30 years of meat intake in a day.

bonatoc said:

violetcrush said:

Prince had a weight bench too. In Ripopgodazippa he says, "this bench that I normally use for the weights..." That time period - mid to late 80's was all about working out - gyms were becoming a big thing, and many were getting "fit", as they used to say. I was in my teens and heavily into working out. It was more the norm back then. He also became a Vegetarian around 1989-1990 (per his interview with the Vegetarian Times), so I think that would make a difference too. No doubt he was lacking protein in his diet. He became very thin in the '93-'95 period. If you compare pics of him from the '86 bday show in Detroit to the '94 bday show in Miami he looks like a different person. A bit depressing when you compare the two side by side.

Now doubt his metabolism had to find a way to still function, given his self-imposed workload. I doubt he was taking drugs at the time. Pale Prince is a result of a ton of make-up (the paparazzi flashes just bounce on foundation, making him all white) to probably mask the face of a man who runs on midnight oil. You can't erase 30 years of meat intake in a day.

Oh, he was definitely wearing lighter make-up, which just made him look even thinner, but his body as a whole was much thinner. If you compare '86 tp '94:

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PeteSilas said:

i did read that he worked out around the PR tour, maybe Bruce Springsteen gave him some ideas, Prince looked like a little muscleman up to the parade era when he was really defined and buff. I also read that he had dumbells in his office in the 92 RS interview. Why didn't he keep working out? Well, considering he did everything to do with his music, I think it would have been kinda hard expecting him to put an hour or two a day to pushing weights. It's understandable. Bruce Springsteen lost his muscles after the Born In the USA era too.

The reason Prince looked so buff in the 80s is that he was young (so he was producing a lot of testosterone, which sustains muscle mass) and he had very low body fat (so there wasn't much but his skin covering his muscles).

Genesia said:

PeteSilas said:

i did read that he worked out around the PR tour, maybe Bruce Springsteen gave him some ideas, Prince looked like a little muscleman up to the parade era when he was really defined and buff. I also read that he had dumbells in his office in the 92 RS interview. Why didn't he keep working out? Well, considering he did everything to do with his music, I think it would have been kinda hard expecting him to put an hour or two a day to pushing weights. It's understandable. Bruce Springsteen lost his muscles after the Born In the USA era too.

The reason Prince looked so buff in the 80s is that he was young (so he was producing a lot of testosterone, which sustains muscle mass) and he had very low body fat (so there wasn't much but his skin covering his muscles).

I think age might be a small part of it - age can be a factor with muscle mass, but he was only mid 30's in '93/'94. He wouldn't have had that drastic of a physical change if he had continued to lift weights and include meat protein in his diet, or use a protein supplenent in place of the meat. Bruce Springsteen was 35 yrs old in 1984, and he was the most muscular that he had ever been in his life.

violetcrush said:

Genesia said:

The reason Prince looked so buff in the 80s is that he was young (so he was producing a lot of testosterone, which sustains muscle mass) and he had very low body fat (so there wasn't much but his skin covering his muscles).

I think age might be a small part of it - age can be a factor with muscle mass, but he was only mid 30's in '93/'94. He wouldn't have had that drastic of a physical change if he had continued to lift weights and include meat protein in his diet, or use a protein supplenent in place of the meat. Bruce Springsteen was 35 yrs old in 1984, and he was the most muscular that he had ever been in his life.

You said why Prince seemed to have lost muscle in the 90s - he wasn't getting enough protein. You can't make muscle out of nothing. He was also extremely thin at that time. Thinner than at any point prior to the year before he died.

And I don't know why you keep comparing Prince to Bruce Springsteen when they have totally different body types and aesthetics. Comparisons like that are ridiculous.

Maybe he found the right diet around 2003.
I mean his return in 2004, it was like he never left (pun intended).
"And I still look the same". Damn right!

Proof the body can recover from most things (I could have mention the Shoah, but I felt a G-Spot coming).

Genesia said:

violetcrush said:

I think age might be a small part of it - age can be a factor with muscle mass, but he was only mid 30's in '93/'94. He wouldn't have had that drastic of a physical change if he had continued to lift weights and include meat protein in his diet, or use a protein supplenent in place of the meat. Bruce Springsteen was 35 yrs old in 1984, and he was the most muscular that he had ever been in his life.

You said why Prince seemed to have lost muscle in the 90s - he wasn't getting enough protein. You can't make muscle out of nothing. He was also extremely thin at that time. Thinner than at any point prior to the year before he died.

And I don't know why you keep comparing Prince to Bruce Springsteen when they have totally different body types and aesthetics. Comparisons like that are ridiculous.

Right - My comments are in line with yours regarding how thin he became in the early to mid 90's. What I said was that the conversion to vegetarianism, lack of weighlifting, and also stress were all most likely contributing factors at that time.

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I used Bruce Springsteen as a comparison, becuase he did not have a muscular physique prior to the Born In The USA tour. He was very small before he began lifting weights. And my point by using him as an example was to counter your statement regarding age and male testosterone levels. Bruce was 35, and had more muscle mass than he ever did in his 20's. This would disprove the statement about any reduction of testosterone levels preventing Prince from retaining his muscularity in the mid 90's.

Genesia said:

violetcrush said:

Genesia said:

You said why Prince seemed to have lost muscle in the 90s - he wasn't getting enough protein. You can't make muscle out of nothing. He was also extremely thin at that time. Thinner than at any point prior to the year before he died.

And I don't know why you keep comparing Prince to Bruce Springsteen when they have totally different body types and aesthetics. Comparisons like that are ridiculous.

Right - My comments are in line with yours regarding how thin he became in the early to mid 90's. What I said was that the conversion to vegetarianism, lack of weighlifting, and also stress were all most likely contributing factors at that time.

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I used Bruce Springsteen as a comparison, becuase he did not have a muscular physique prior to the Born In The USA tour. He was very small before he began lifting weights. And my point by using him as an example was to counter your statement regarding age and male testosterone levels. Bruce was 35, and had more muscle mass than he ever did in his 20's. This would disprove the statement about any reduction of testosterone levels preventing Prince from retaining his muscularity in the mid 90's.

Bruce in his 20's:

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Bruce in his mid 30's:

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paulludvig said:

Genesia said:

The reason Prince looked so buff in the 80s is that he was young (so he was producing a lot of testosterone, which sustains muscle mass) and he had very low body fat (so there wasn't much but his skin covering his muscles).

He was pretty skinny on the Parade tour and always had i tiny waist.

Prince was always small, and always had a very tiny waist, but he had muscular definition from PR through to about the early 90's. He looked amazing during the Lovesexy tour too:

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violetcrush said:

Genesia said:

You said why Prince seemed to have lost muscle in the 90s - he wasn't getting enough protein. You can't make muscle out of nothing. He was also extremely thin at that time. Thinner than at any point prior to the year before he died.

And I don't know why you keep comparing Prince to Bruce Springsteen when they have totally different body types and aesthetics. Comparisons like that are ridiculous.

Right - My comments are in line with yours regarding how thin he became in the early to mid 90's. What I said was that the conversion to vegetarianism, lack of weighlifting, and also stress were all most likely contributing factors at that time.

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I used Bruce Springsteen as a comparison, becuase he did not have a muscular physique prior to the Born In The USA tour. He was very small before he began lifting weights. And my point by using him as an example was to counter your statement regarding age and male testosterone levels. Bruce was 35, and had more muscle mass than he ever did in his 20's. This would disprove the statement about any reduction of testosterone levels preventing Prince from retaining his muscularity in the mid 90's.

No, it wouldn't. You know nothing about what Prince's testosterone levels were like when he was in his 30s. You know what helps a guy synthesize testosterone? Eating enough protein. (Look it up.)

Also, you don't know that Bruce Springsteen had more muscle in his 30s than in his 20s. Did you weigh him? Measure him? Do caliper tests on him to determine his body composition? No. You're going by what he looked like in pictures.

In other words, you know nothing.

Genesia said:

violetcrush said:

Right - My comments are in line with yours regarding how thin he became in the early to mid 90's. What I said was that the conversion to vegetarianism, lack of weighlifting, and also stress were all most likely contributing factors at that time.

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I used Bruce Springsteen as a comparison, becuase he did not have a muscular physique prior to the Born In The USA tour. He was very small before he began lifting weights. And my point by using him as an example was to counter your statement regarding age and male testosterone levels. Bruce was 35, and had more muscle mass than he ever did in his 20's. This would disprove the statement about any reduction of testosterone levels preventing Prince from retaining his muscularity in the mid 90's.

No, it wouldn't. You know nothing about what Prince's testosterone levels were like when he was in his 30s. You know what helps a guy synthesize testosterone? Eating enough protein. (Look it up.)

Also, you don't know that Bruce Springsteen had more muscle in his 30s than in his 20s. Did you weigh him? Measure him? Do caliper tests on him to determine his body composition? No. You're going by what he looked like in pictures.

In other words, you know nothing.

You're kidding, right?? Looking at the pictures of Bruce Springsteen, it is clearly visible that he gained wieight and muscle mass in the 80's. I was a teen then, and I actually remember the media commenting on his "buff" appearance. It was discussed regularly in the media back then.

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Regarding Prince, 1) YOU also know nothing about Prince's exact testosterone levels when he was in his 30's, so I'm not sure how you can actually state that his levels had significantly dropped by that point?? What we do have though, are the photographs (just as with Bruce) clearly showing that his muscular form had changed from the late 80's to the early 90's. 2) As I stated, pretty clearly, in earlier posts, I'm sure that the lack of "meat protein" effected his muscle mass as well. So, we are in agreement on that, however, I'm sure it was not the only reason he lost the muscle. If he had supplemented with other protein sources and continued to lift weights he most likely would have maintained the more muscular physique. It was probably not a priority for him at that time.