Musician9 said:

P was nowhere near Mozart on any level, and Zappa and Zorn are far more prolific than he could hope to be, including the vault. Fans of P believe him to be on Mozart's level, no one else, and Duke Ellington would qualify for that socalled title than P.

not you again

PeteSilas said:

SkipperLove said:

Musician9 said:

PeteSilas said:

not you again

Deal with it...

you're the one who has to deal with being a failed musician by taking shots at successful ones not me.

2045RadicalMattZ said:

SkipperLove said:

I totally and wholeheartedly agree with your common sense assessment.

Story of many a self- made man

i tend to agree, it's a lot of hard work plus talent plus the right environment. i always thought of his singing as the best example of his work ethic, he really only had a falsetto when he started, he didn't feel comfortable doing full songs with his lower register until 1999, and an even better example of his work ethic was his dancing ability, it's astounding to this day how he went from the spastic moves he did on AB to the variety of moves he did on the PR tour. So, therefore, when he tried to tell people they could do more, it was because he knew it from personal experience. He was known as a bit of an asshole to his employees but more than one has said he transformed their self-perception through his methods.

^^@PeteSilas....I had to laugh at the "spastic moves" part of your post, because Prince did have some weird dance moves, all his own.

PeteSilas said:

@Krystalkisses - I wanted to add

So what is the answer 2 the question of u
What do I look 4, what shall I do?
Which way do I turn when I'm feeling lost?
If I sell my soul, now what will it cost?
Must I become naked? No image at all?
Shall I remain upright? Or get down and crawl?

All of the questions in my life will be answered
When I decide which road 2 choose
What is the answer 2 the question of u?

...

People have asked me if he had a mirror image cause Mark or someone told them Prince didn't. They wanted to insinuate that Prince was a vampire (really, some folks), also asking me if he had a pulse/heartbeat. Maybe they took that line with the "no image at all" to support this lol I have no idea but your topic made me think of the lyrics.

CatB said:

Musician9 said:

CatB said:

PeteSilas said:

CatB said:

@Krystalkisses - I wanted to add

So what is the answer 2 the question of u
What do I look 4, what shall I do?
Which way do I turn when I'm feeling lost?
If I sell my soul, now what will it cost?
Must I become naked? No image at all?
Shall I remain upright? Or get down and crawl?

All of the questions in my life will be answered
When I decide which road 2 choose
What is the answer 2 the question of u?

...

People have asked me if he had a mirror image cause Mark or someone told them Prince didn't. They wanted to insinuate that Prince was a vampire (really, some folks), also asking me if he had a pulse/heartbeat. Maybe they took that line with the "no image at all" to support this lol I have no idea but your topic made me think of the lyrics.

I never interpreted it that way. Selling your soul comes in more pedestrian ways.

What do you mean, Pete?

PeteSilas said:

CatB said:

@Krystalkisses - I wanted to add

So what is the answer 2 the question of u
What do I look 4, what shall I do?
Which way do I turn when I'm feeling lost?
If I sell my soul, now what will it cost?
Must I become naked? No image at all?
Shall I remain upright? Or get down and crawl?

All of the questions in my life will be answered
When I decide which road 2 choose
What is the answer 2 the question of u?

...

People have asked me if he had a mirror image cause Mark or someone told them Prince didn't. They wanted to insinuate that Prince was a vampire (really, some folks), also asking me if he had a pulse/heartbeat. Maybe they took that line with the "no image at all" to support this lol I have no idea but your topic made me think of the lyrics.

I never interpreted it that way. Selling your soul comes in more pedestrian ways.

Fair enough. The song just came to my mind when I was thinking about the topic. English is not my native language, so I hear the songs differently. You tend to pay more attention to the lyrics instead of having that natural flow of just listening to the songs. That line popped into my mind when thinking about the soul selling comments here. I posted it free from any interpretation.

peggyon said:

OperatingThetan said:

The recent Catholic Church abuse scandal in Pennsylvania involved 300 priests and over 1,000 children. Yet people here still look to stereotypically 'dark' forces such as Satanism and 'pacts with the Devil'.

Exactly !

-

And by the way, by the famous words of Tom Waits ;

"don't you know there ain't no devil, it's just god who's drunk"

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Vannormal said:

OperatingThetan said:

The recent Catholic Church abuse scandal in Pennsylvania involved 300 priests and over 1,000 children. Yet people here still look to stereotypically 'dark' forces such as Satanism and 'pacts with the Devil'.

Exactly !

-

And by the way, by the famous words of Tom Waits ;

"don't you know there ain't no devil, it's just god who's drunk"

-

i definitely don't know everything but i believe evil spirits influence people and some evil people use religion and good deeds as nothing more than a mask. once, when i was writing a song i went through a period where i got sick and a little delierious, i had visions of demons floating around looking to cause trouble, it was wierd.

good God...read his freakin lyrics....annastesia.....dabblin in the dark side

[Edited 8/24/18 10:25am]

luvsexy4all said:

good God...read his freakin lyrics....annastesia.....dabblin in the dark side

[Edited 8/24/18 10:25am]

ya, but problem is, a lot of that is just interpretation, i don't, each and any of our interpretations are valid to us. for example, the creepy backward shit on darling nikki when played it says the lord is coming soon and then has hahaha like it's mocking the very idea, all interpretation and I try to be respectful personally, of the different interpretations.

So what is the answer 2 the question of u
What do I look 4, what shall I do?
Which way do I turn when I'm feeling lost?
If I sell my soul, NEVER, now what will it cost?
Must I become naked? No image at all?
Shall I remain upright? Or get down and crawl?

All of the questions in my life will be answered
When I decide which road 2 choose
What is the answer 2 the question of u?

At 2:04 on this live performance vid https://www.youtube.com/w...HzoyGjD_iY

[Edited 8/24/18 12:32pm]

Mumio said:

So what is the answer 2 the question of u
What do I look 4, what shall I do?
Which way do I turn when I'm feeling lost?
If I sell my soul, NEVER, now what will it cost?
Must I become naked? No image at all?
Shall I remain upright? Or get down and crawl?

All of the questions in my life will be answered
When I decide which road 2 choose
What is the answer 2 the question of u?

At 2:04 on this live performance vid https://www.youtube.com/w...HzoyGjD_iY

[Edited 8/24/18 12:32pm]

my personal opinion/interpretation was that was directed at the critics, writers, "mama jamas" who Prince seemed to be obsessed with in a wierd way. going back to all the critics love u in new york he was writing songs about how the big shot writers in the major pubs were feeling about him. In the RS interview around the time of graffiti Bridge he mentions that the critcs were "starting to get it" and there was an article in musician magazine where the critic approached Prince at a party and said "the lovesexy cover is meant as a symbol meaning you're being reborn right?" and Prince took a liking to the guy and invited him closer to his group. And.., for some crazy reason, he was supposedly obsessed with what people here were saying about him. as i've said, no other major star would give a fuck what his fans were saying on some board, i'd be shocked if springsteen ever looked up what people say about him.

alandail said:

PeteSilas said:

people in the early days used to say his use of god talk was just to hide the fact that he worshipped the devil, or rather that his god was the devil. threads on here about darling nikki being an ode to his selling of his soul are pretty compelling. If he did sell his soul, i don't think it's something you can reverse. Mostly, i think it's just a cool thing for musicians to say, Springsteen says' he sold his soul on one of his songs but it's most likely just a posture. It is interesting though that of the two major american figures in american folk music, both bob dylan and robert johnson both went away for a couple months and came back dramatically improved in their skills, who knows. I do believe in the spirit world, i might disagree with the names a bit but i do believe there are good and evil spirits all around us.

people though the backwards part at the end of Darling Nikki was satan worship. Those people clearly didn't bother to listen to it backwards because it says

"Hello, how r U? I'm fine 'cause I know that the Lord is coming soon. Coming, coming soon."

Hmmm...well I have listened to that many times and as it is in the recording played forwards it says, "Scared boy, sleep on your back, Good Night, son...." then some vocals. At least that's what it sounds like to me!

Lianachan said:

thedoorkeeper said:

This a great thread May I suggest some more topics: Was Prince behind 9/11? Did Prince believe the earth is flat? Prince was a racist - prove me wrong! Did Prince have a prehensial tale? Was Prince born with 12 fingers? Did Prince have MJ killed? Feel free to start a thread with any of the above topics. You're welcome!!

Ever since he banged on about chemtrails, all bets are off.

Yeah, hate to say it, but are only condensation trails the engines make. Everyone has an "opps" moment now and then though. My science background always has to rear it's ugly head.

PeteSilas said:

Musician9 said:

PeteSilas said: Deal with it...

you're the one who has to deal with being a failed musician by taking shots at successful ones not me.

You hit the nail on the head.

Mumio said:

RJP1205 said:

Mumio said:

At 2:04 on this live performance vid https://www.youtube.com/w...HzoyGjD_iY

[Edited 8/24/18 12:32pm]

Never saw that video intro before...at 0:23 looks like he's feeding his cat...

Nice video. I wish someone would go thru his many live performances and release a compliation of his best performances. Maybe 15 to 30 individual live songs from thru out his career.

2045RadicalMattZ said:

Lianachan said:

2045RadicalMattZ said: Unlike chemtrails, cloud seeding is actually something that gets done. It’s just an attempt to create rain, though, and is of dubious effectiveness. Chemtrails it ain’t.

there are various ways employed. In SNOW areas, grounded machines are employed at high altitude... in so cal... streams and streams of the stuff are criss crossed all over the sky line ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL day.

they retain their shape and form for long periods of time, hence they are not simply jet stream (condensation) Con-Trails.

Unfortunately, I don't own a plane, and am not a chemist...so... beyond that, I would doubt it is ordinary jet patterns

Back to Prince... who knows what he messed around with. At times in his career he displayed some actions seemingly consistent with the old school rosicrucians and possibly relative to the stuff Crowley did.

I.E. backwards digs, pyramids, numerology, color codings (20ten), 1999 being 666 upside down (inverse), all seeing eye....backmasking... etc.

it's all been somewhat discussed here before. Only P would've known his own motives. Others suggest it was just a way to add mystique to himself....much like the "angrogyny".

Others took offense to the "lord is coming" to indicate "the lord is cumming" etc during the gyrational part of Darling Nikki.

Prince played around a lot with religious sentiment....but still his chant "Reproduction of the new breed leader, stand up! Organize!" returned on the Rainbow Children.... Its not like he went too far from it.

Maybe he was trying to pollinate the inquisitive mind with symbology as well... Lotusflow3r has some hexagons within hexagons (6,6,6) and Prince somewhat portrayed as a devil of sorts if we're to believe esoteric discussions talking about "Satan" having been banished from a planet etc...and teaching humankind implements, etc.... while his driving desire was to escape containment etc etc.

...I dunno this stuff word for word, but it's iconography that I believe P employed into his work whether people noticed it or not. I seriously doubt that it was unintentional. It was there since 1999 for the most part.... "The Ladder" etc...

ERich Von Daniken & Zecharia Sitchen stuff... I'm sure P read a lot of that, whether it may be deemed fodder/caca/poopoo/shit/garbage/trash/insanity to some.... I believe his work had a healthy dose of skepticism and he really searched and sought after many subjects.

For what it's worth... ALL THAT STUFF is also the basis of many a superhero legacy... it used to be regarded as something "hidden out in the open"

[Edited 8/23/18 11:07am]

Von Daniken, similar authors, symbolism, numerology, astrology, mysticism, ouija boards, etc., etc., etc., were very popular in the late 70's and 80's.

sonshine said:

When the hell would Prince have time for this shit? I don't even have time for ouji boards, or finding some devil to sell my soul to. And I'm not a workaholic, prolific artist who recorded daily, mentored other artists, toured around the world, practiced and rehearsed to the bone, managed a studio, and romanced/boinked a lot of women all over the world. (That's just off the top of my head.) I'm an average working mom with aging parents, a needy lap dog, and a mortgage. If I don't have time, he sure didn't have time.

the time issue is one i wonder about a lot, not with any spiritual stuff but with women, women are draining, most men can't keep up with the demands of only one, Prince supposedly was a ladies man but I kinda think it has to be exxagerrated because there's no way to get work done with even one woman wanting your attention. I do know that he may have been good at setting boundaries (as in not taking calls from mayte when he was working) but no woman is going to put up with that kind of thing for long. The spiritual stuff? I could see him making time for it like I do, i pray, sometimes for hours a day if I feel like I need to and I don't really have time for a lot of things either (no relationships for me-friends, girlfriends and hardly any family).