PeteSilas said:

onlyforaminute said:

Yes, because one person's experience fits all.

no, i'm saying people's motives could be all over the place, maybe they were just fucking jealous of Prince.

Oh, I see. It's possible.

RJOrion said:

PeteSilas said:

what/'who recorded the stories? you? someone else?

no one recorded anything...

can you relate what you heard?

PeteSilas said:

RJOrion said:

PeteSilas said: not online or a book...direct from the sources

what/'who recorded the stories? you? someone else?

None of it matters anyway, as a ouija board is just a Victorian-era board game and is imbued with the same spiritual significance and supernatural functionality as Monopoly.

No. He had a lot of natural talent, he worked unbelievably hard and made a lot of personal sacrifices that you are I would not be willing to make.

If you mean on a level of metaphor, maybe that was a faustian pact; he died alone, without a partner in an empty building of his own making.

Lianachan said:

PeteSilas said:

what/'who recorded the stories? you? someone else?

None of it matters anyway, as a ouija board is just a Victorian-era board game and is imbued with the same spiritual significance and supernatural functionality as Monopoly.

Prince worked hard, often to the detriment of his personal life. End of story.

NouveauDance said:

Prince worked hard, often to the detriment of his personal life. End of story.

Your upcoming biopic of Prince needs some serious work.

Lianachan said:

None of it matters anyway, as a ouija board is just a Victorian-era board game and is imbued with the same spiritual significance and supernatural functionality as Monopoly.

No no no, Monopoly is satanic

thedoorkeeper said:

This a great thread May I suggest some more topics: Was Prince behind 9/11? Did Prince believe the earth is flat? Prince was a racist - prove me wrong! Did Prince have a prehensial tale? Was Prince born with 12 fingers? Did Prince have MJ killed? Feel free to start a thread with any of the above topics. You're welcome!!

Ever since he banged on about chemtrails, all bets are off.

No.

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alandail said:

Prince’s whole career he sang about Love, Sex and God. What kind of “deal with the devil” would involve constantly singing about God? His Jahova’s Witness conversion wasn’t about suddenly finding God or a response to things he saw in the industry. it was about dealing with the trauma of losing his child. Why not just believe he was just naturally incredibly talented.

And incredibly hard working.

Has anyone here ever heard of the 10,000 hour rule? As explained by Malcolm Gladwell, it means that "natural ability requires a huge investment of time in order to be made manifest."

I don't think anyone would argue that Prince wasn't an amazingly gifted person. But there is absolutely so question that he worked like a dog to make it. How many stories have we heard from Prince's peers in Minneapolis about them coming into rehearsal in the morning and a song that was just a idea when they left the night before was written, recorded, mixed and finished? Prince was up all night working - for days, weeks and years at a time.

The man literally worked himself to death. He destroyed his body and gave up almost everything that is considered meaningful to most "normal" people. We can argue all day about whether the deal was a good one - but I'm pretty sure the person he made it with was himself.

Occam's razor, people. Occam's razor. The simplest answer tends to be the correct one.

CandyCool said:

Prince rings doorbell. Devil opens, says “hi, can I help you?” Prince: “yes, I’d like to have a lot of musical talent please and become a world wide star. Here’s my soul in exchange.” Devil: “okidoki” Sorry, I just can’t with some of the comments. I’ll go look for one of the legacy threads.

Lianachan said:

thedoorkeeper said:

This a great thread May I suggest some more topics: Was Prince behind 9/11? Did Prince believe the earth is flat? Prince was a racist - prove me wrong! Did Prince have a prehensial tale? Was Prince born with 12 fingers? Did Prince have MJ killed? Feel free to start a thread with any of the above topics. You're welcome!!

Ever since he banged on about chemtrails, all bets are off.

As far as Los Angeles at least... it is true.

And though it's depicted as simply seeding clouds, there is no real mention made to the general public (who seem to be completely oblivious to it most of the time)

submitted for your approval: LOS ANGELES COUNTY CLOUD SEEDING

http://www.ladpw.org/wrd/.../index.cfm

No idea how toxic this makes the environment...but there could be some merit to what Prince said. I have several extreme allergies, and if I have respiratory allergen issues, i'm set to be in a piss poor mood. So... there ya go.. aggravation from the body having to work double all the time just when standing at rest.

ikr..now prince made a deal with the evil lol..geeze

jjam said:

Pleeeeeease. Prince just happened to be hugely talented, very driven and a very hard worker

rdhull said:

ikr..now prince made a deal with the evil lol..geeze

jjam said:

Pleeeeeease. Prince just happened to be hugely talented, very driven and a very hard worker

I bet that's what the song Dance With the Devil is about. No wonder they never released it!

Krystalkisses said:

...and for all Prince's faults and shortcomings I have to say at least he had the heart, wisdom and compassion to bring spiritual issues to the forfront in popular music/culture. Which is more than I can say for almost any other artist.

Heart, wisdom and compassion to start talking about how "there ain't no room to disagree," that the husband is the "wise one" in the marriage, that those with an "inaccurate" understanding of "God and his law" are just telling "lies promoted by the whose papers, hellavisions, and scagazines," that she is "his woman" (i.e., a piece of property owned by the husband), "her children in subjection to her, she in subjection to the wise one (husband)?

You mean that heart, wisdom and compassion?

BanishedBrian said:

Krystalkisses said:

BanishedBrian said:

Heart, wisdom and compassion to start talking about how "there ain't no room to disagree," that the husband is the "wise one" in the marriage, that those with an "inaccurate" understanding of "God and his law" are just telling "lies promoted by the whose papers, hellavisions, and scagazines," that she is "his woman" (i.e., a piece of property owned by the husband), "her children in subjection to her, she in subjection to the wise one (husband)?

You mean that heart, wisdom and compassion?

Prince was strong in his convictions. I respect his willingness to take a stand. I find that honorable. His stance may be controversial to you but I believe he was sincere in his beliefs. It isn't like he Judeo Christian values didn't contribute to building Western civilization, there is some wisdom in the Bible. Maybe he could be intolerant , and a little dogmatic but we don't know where he had been in his life or what he's seen or done to warrant such strict religious adherence.

First of all, there's a clear distinction in Prince's music pre-1997 and after (i.e., the time when he began studying with Larry). I will concede your initial point with respect to the first period. Prince (arguably, courageously) weaved religious themes into his music, and it was done without being overly dogmatic or exclusionary. An album like Lovesexy, which has a very universalist religious message, is a great example.
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However, you sugarcoat it when you describe the later period as merely "controversial." That sounds like the marketing spin Prince himself attached to TRC when he put the packaging together, calling it his new "controversial" album (even though, at that time, there was no controversy because nobody had heard it). Prince's religious themes from that era were misogynist and exclusionary, simple and plain. I say that as someone who loved TRC (and the ONA tour) musically. It's also an insult to most Judeo Christian religions when you associate them with lyrics claiming that the devil has been here since 1914 - those aren't Christian beliefs, they're cult beliefs.

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I'm not going to give Prince credit for "taking a stand" for the same reasons that I'm not giving Alex Jones credit for it.

2045RadicalMattZ said:

Genesia said:

rdhull said:

ikr..now prince made a deal with the evil lol..geeze

I bet that's what the song Dance With the Devil is about. No wonder they never released it!

Lianachan said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

As far as Los Angeles at least... it is true.

And though it's depicted as simply seeding clouds, there is no real mention made to the general public (who seem to be completely oblivious to it most of the time)

submitted for your approval: LOS ANGELES COUNTY CLOUD SEEDING

http://www.ladpw.org/wrd/.../index.cfm

No idea how toxic this makes the environment...but there could be some merit to what Prince said. I have several extreme allergies, and if I have respiratory allergen issues, i'm set to be in a piss poor mood. So... there ya go.. aggravation from the body having to work double all the time just when standing at rest.

Unlike chemtrails, cloud seeding is actually something that gets done. It’s just an attempt to create rain, though, and is of dubious effectiveness. Chemtrails it ain’t.

there are various ways employed. In SNOW areas, grounded machines are employed at high altitude... in so cal... streams and streams of the stuff are criss crossed all over the sky line ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL day.

they retain their shape and form for long periods of time, hence they are not simply jet stream (condensation) Con-Trails.

Unfortunately, I don't own a plane, and am not a chemist...so... beyond that, I would doubt it is ordinary jet patterns

Back to Prince... who knows what he messed around with. At times in his career he displayed some actions seemingly consistent with the old school rosicrucians and possibly relative to the stuff Crowley did.

I.E. backwards digs, pyramids, numerology, color codings (20ten), 1999 being 666 upside down (inverse), all seeing eye....backmasking... etc.

it's all been somewhat discussed here before. Only P would've known his own motives. Others suggest it was just a way to add mystique to himself....much like the "angrogyny".

Others took offense to the "lord is coming" to indicate "the lord is cumming" etc during the gyrational part of Darling Nikki.

Prince played around a lot with religious sentiment....but still his chant "Reproduction of the new breed leader, stand up! Organize!" returned on the Rainbow Children.... Its not like he went too far from it.

Maybe he was trying to pollinate the inquisitive mind with symbology as well... Lotusflow3r has some hexagons within hexagons (6,6,6) and Prince somewhat portrayed as a devil of sorts if we're to believe esoteric discussions talking about "Satan" having been banished from a planet etc...and teaching humankind implements, etc.... while his driving desire was to escape containment etc etc.

...I dunno this stuff word for word, but it's iconography that I believe P employed into his work whether people noticed it or not. I seriously doubt that it was unintentional. It was there since 1999 for the most part.... "The Ladder" etc...

ERich Von Daniken & Zecharia Sitchen stuff... I'm sure P read a lot of that, whether it may be deemed fodder/caca/poopoo/shit/garbage/trash/insanity to some.... I believe his work had a healthy dose of skepticism and he really searched and sought after many subjects.

For what it's worth... ALL THAT STUFF is also the basis of many a superhero legacy... it used to be regarded as something "hidden out in the open"

[Edited 8/23/18 11:07am]

CandyCool said:

Prince rings doorbell. Devil opens, says “hi, can I help you?” Prince: “yes, I’d like to have a lot of musical talent please and become a world wide star. Here’s my soul in exchange.” Devil: “okidoki” Sorry, I just can’t with some of the comments. I’ll go look for one of the legacy threads.

I know that you're making a joke, but there is a spiritual world of good and evil, good being God, and evil, the devil and demons. We are spiritual being, we have a soul that lives beyond our human form. Our bodies will one day die, but our soul does not, it lives on, and it will live in either heaven or hell, and which one will depend upon if you know Jesus, believe in Him, and have accepted Him into your heart, life, and soul as your Savior and as the son of God. Now, I know that there are some that know this truth and know that it's real, and some that don't believe it at all, and think that it's some sort of fairy tale, but that's between them and God. I'm a believer. I think that most know that the field of entertainment in which Prince was in, is a very evil, demonic, and dark place, and those in it are involved in all kinds of evil things. All you have to do is look at the lives of many of them, some dead, some alive, and the tragedies they've been through or going through even now, because of that lifestyle. And I know that we've all had heard of some selling their souls to satan, to gain fame and fortune. Now I don't think that you can "sell your soul to satan" because your soul belongs to God, and in the end, He'll make the final decision to where it ends up, heaven or hell, but I think that you can invite satan and all kinds of evil into your life if you try doing something like that, calling him into your life, promising to serve him if you are given fame and money in return, and I've heard of people actually doing that, especially in the entertainment business. Now whether Prince did it or not, I don't know. Some may actually do it, but then repent and ask God's forgiveness later, and whether Prince did or not, again, I don't know. What I do know, is that Prince loved God, and had a concept of God. He believe that God existed, and I think he tried to serve him. Because of that, I believe that God saved Prince's soul and that he's in the presence of God in heaven right now. That's my opinion on the whole matter.

[Edited 8/23/18 11:24am]

2045RadicalMattZ said:

Maybe he was trying to pollinate the inquisitive mind with symbology as well... Lotusflow3r has some hexagons within hexagons (6,6,6) and Prince somewhat portrayed as a devil of sorts if we're to believe esoteric discussions talking about "Satan" having been banished from a planet etc...and teaching humankind implements, etc.... while his driving desire was to escape containment etc etc.

His Symbol is a morph of two alchemy symbols. And in a way I always saw him as an alchemist. His music has a different effect on people than most other music, to me composing music is a form of alchemy. Diamonds and Pearls is also a reference to alchemy.

RE the topic: One must also consider his obsession with Ancient Egypt. It was a world of mysticism, the occult, cult of the dead, spirits, reincarnation, evil forces and gods, astrology, symbolism, dreams, etc.

His telepathy, his appearing and disappearing out of the blue, his knowing what you were thinking or where he would find you were also things that cannot really be explained.

1contessa said:

1contessa said:

CandyCool said:

Prince rings doorbell. Devil opens, says “hi, can I help you?” Prince: “yes, I’d like to have a lot of musical talent please and become a world wide star. Here’s my soul in exchange.” Devil: “okidoki” Sorry, I just can’t with some of the comments. I’ll go look for one of the legacy threads.

I know that you're making a joke, but there is a spiritual world of good and evil, good being God, and evil, the devil and demons. We are spiritual being, we have a soul that lives beyond our human form. Our bodies will one day die, but our soul does not, it lives on, and it will live in either heaven or hell, and which one will depend upon if you know Jesus, believe in Him, and have accepted Him into your heart, life, and soul as your Savior and as the son of God. Now, I know that there are some that know this truth and know that it's real, and some that don't believe it at all, and think that it's some sort of fairy tale, but that's between them and God. I'm a believer. I think that most know that the field of entertainment in which Prince was in, is a very evil, demonic, and dark place, and those in it are involved in all kinds of evil things. All you have to do is look at the lives of many of them, some dead, some alive, and the tragedies they've been through or going through even now, because of that lifestyle. And I know that we've all had heard of some selling their souls to satan, to gain fame and fortune. Now I don't think that you can "sell your soul to satan" because your soul belongs to God, and in the end, He'll make the final decision to where it ends up, heaven or hell, but I think that you can invite satan and all kinds of evil into your life if you try doing something like that, calling him into your life, promising to serve him if you are given fame and money in return, and I've heard of people actually doing that, especially in the entertainment business. Now whether Prince did it or not, I don't know. Some may actually do it, but then repent and ask God's forgiveness later, and whether Prince did or not, again, I don't know. What I do know, is that Prince loved God, and had a concept of God. He believe that God existed, and I think he tried to serve him. Because of that, I believe that God saved Prince's soul and that he's in the presence of God in heaven right now. That's my opinion on the whole matter.

[Edited 8/23/18 11:24am]

So in other words, you can spend your life acting, essentially, as a sexual predator (which is how you describe Prince's treatment of women in other threads), but as long he believed in Jesus, it's all good. Quick ticket to Heaven.

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Meanwhile, people who live their lives in accordance with Jesus' alleged teachings, but don't believe that he was divine (whether through choice or ignorance), are sh** out of luck.

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Yeah, that sounds like a believable theory for how God would call balls and strikes when judging the importance of deeds versus faith.

"There's a lady, 99 years old. If she lived a good life, heaven takes her soul. Now that's a theory and if you don't want to know... step aside and make a way for those who want to go."

-PRiNcE ROgeRs Nelson.

[Edited 8/23/18 12:13pm]

Lianachan said:

PeteSilas said:

what/'who recorded the stories? you? someone else?

None of it matters anyway, as a ouija board is just a Victorian-era board game and is imbued with the same spiritual significance and supernatural functionality as Monopoly.

a lot of people who;ve played around with one would tell you different. I had one, never saw anything strange but the preacher i lived with at the time correctly burned it along with my incorrectly burned records (prince, mj, ac/dc, led zeppelin, etc.., ). Also, are you sure it's "victorian"? I am not sure it's that old.