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Reply #420 posted 09/24/18 11:30am

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not a troll... if you can't hear the hissing sound you should stop listening to music, your ears are just fucked up badly.

I'm sure i'm not the only one here that can hear that hissing sound, i mixed that album withe the "one night alone" album, and compared to the purity of one night alone this new release is just pure garbage.

I hope some fans with sound engeneering skills will soon make an improved version that i will gladly download.

Next time i will think twice before buying an album made by the "prince estate"... for now they look like a bunch of unqualified amateurs that have no idead where they want to go and what they are doing.

I may be wrong but I don't think there was much to be done to reduce the hissing that hasn't already be done. This came from a cassette! Reducing the hissing would most likely have meant fucking up other frequencies and the damage would have been worst even if it may have looked like it sounded better to untrained ears. Now I'm not sure, there are audio professionals here so maybe they can tell us.

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Reply #421 posted 09/24/18 1:02pm

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laforet99 said:

not a troll... if you can't hear the hissing sound you should stop listening to music, your ears are just fucked up badly.


I'm sure i'm not the only one here that can hear that hissing sound, i mixed that album withe the "one night alone" album, and compared to the purity of one night alone this new release is just pure garbage.


I hope some fans with sound engeneering skills will soon make an improved version that i will gladly download.


Next time i will think twice before buying an album made by the "prince estate"... for now they look like a bunch of unqualified amateurs that have no idead where they want to go and what they are doing.



You came in hereon some 'oh my gosh' saying it was unlistenable and that all you could hear was the hissing just to disparage the release knowing full well what you posted was hyperbole. That’s trolling. Go to bed
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Reply #422 posted 09/24/18 3:18pm

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removing the hiss won't solve the overall tape issues here i'm afraid. The piano especially suffers badly from the (4th gen?) tape. As a free bonus disc this would be a winner. Paying the full lot for this release makes me wonder have much money we will spent in the years to come..

[Edited 9/24/18 15:21pm]

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Reply #423 posted 09/24/18 4:53pm

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rdhull said:



laforet99 said:


i just got this new release and i'm shocked by the quality of the sound... it's just unlistenable, they just published raw sound from a 1983 cassette without any improvement a modern technologie could provide...


it's such a shame, i mean a can't put this on mys sound system, all i hear is a hissing sound...



Stop trolling.


Yep, stop trolling or come down off your high horse. As a kid, we used tape songs from the radio (gasp!), and we enjoyed them on playback. We made mixed tapes for each other on cassette. If I got a good mix from a good friend, that tape would get played a few times a month for a few years. Play it in the walkman, on the stereo, wherever. They definitely weren’t “unlistenable.”
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I better keep your sensitive ears away from my house, or pretty soon you’ll have me throwing away my old vinyl records because they pop and hiss through the speakers. Not to mention some of my old cassettes that I digitized.
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So the sound’s not perfect. Neither is Sign o the Times, but I still like it. Sheesh.
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Reply #424 posted 09/24/18 5:41pm

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"International Lover", "Wednesday" and "A Case Of You" are the best listens on this album...i like the P&M version of International Lover more than the original
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Reply #425 posted 09/24/18 6:18pm

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"International Lover", "Wednesday" and "A Case Of You" are the best listens on this album...i like the P&M version of International Lover more than the original

It doesn't top the 1999 version, but I agree, 'International Lover' is lovely.

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Reply #426 posted 09/25/18 12:11am

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boozoo2 said:

removing the hiss won't solve the overall tape issues here i'm afraid. The piano especially suffers badly from the (4th gen?) tape. As a free bonus disc this would be a winner. Paying the full lot for this release makes me wonder have much money we will spent in the years to come..

[Edited 9/24/18 15:21pm]

My understanding, if I remember correctly what a reliable source told me some months ago, is that this was originally recorded on a 2 tracks multitracks that's been lost/erased, and that this cassette would be first gen from the multitracks or, at the very worst, second gen. Don't take my word for it, though, I may have gotten it wrong.

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Reply #427 posted 09/25/18 12:37am

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^ Yes, the fact its in a studio with an engineer on hand means there must be a master somewhere, in that situation I doubt you would ever record straight to tape! The irony is that it may still be lying in a box from the vault that they haven't opened yet!!! OOPS!

[Edited 9/25/18 0:40am]

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Reply #428 posted 09/25/18 12:40am

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Thread still says Post updated 21 Sep - wake up Bart!!!! biggrin

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Reply #429 posted 09/25/18 12:46am

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^ Yes, the fact its in a studio with an engineer on hand means there must be a master somewhere, in that situation I doubt you would ever record straight to tape! The irony is that it may still be lying in a box from the vault that they haven't opened yet!!! OOPS!

[Edited 9/25/18 0:40am]

While not entirely impossible, it's quite unlikely: you'd assume they'd have done everything in their power to retrieve the multitrack (which is not a master, those are different things) before releasing the cassette.

Just imagine the Estate doing it like bootleggers, releasing the shit in poor quality first, then pristine at a later date, so you have to buy it twice, and Michael Howe using the pristine recording of P&AM83 to shag girls in the meantime falloff

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Reply #430 posted 09/25/18 12:47am

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^ Hahahah, I wouldn't put it past them! biggrin At least the 'leggers give you a full disc when they release stuff!!!

[Edited 9/25/18 0:49am]

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Reply #431 posted 09/25/18 1:09am

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databank said:

boozoo2 said:

removing the hiss won't solve the overall tape issues here i'm afraid. The piano especially suffers badly from the (4th gen?) tape. As a free bonus disc this would be a winner. Paying the full lot for this release makes me wonder have much money we will spent in the years to come..

[Edited 9/24/18 15:21pm]

My understanding, if I remember correctly what a reliable source told me some months ago, is that this was originally recorded on a 2 tracks multitracks that's been lost/erased, and that this cassette would be first gen from the multitracks or, at the very worst, second gen. Don't take my word for it, though, I may have gotten it wrong.


We have to presume that there are no multitracks left for this. And why would there be? This was Prince jotting down things in his "notebook". He probably finished the session, asked the engineer to copy it to cassette for him and then prepare the multitracks for the next session, whatever that was. For all we know, there could be hundreds of cassettes that constitute Prince's notebook of ideas and general noodlings.

I like the fact that they haven't tried to clean up the recording too much. It bodes well for the future that they are confident enough to release stuff as it is found as opposed to polishing it up.... Although NC2U tells a different story.

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Reply #432 posted 09/25/18 1:13am

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Reply #433 posted 09/25/18 1:36am

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JonnyBoyRebel said:

databank said:

My understanding, if I remember correctly what a reliable source told me some months ago, is that this was originally recorded on a 2 tracks multitracks that's been lost/erased, and that this cassette would be first gen from the multitracks or, at the very worst, second gen. Don't take my word for it, though, I may have gotten it wrong.


We have to presume that there are no multitracks left for this. And why would there be? This was Prince jotting down things in his "notebook". He probably finished the session, asked the engineer to copy it to cassette for him and then prepare the multitracks for the next session, whatever that was. For all we know, there could be hundreds of cassettes that constitute Prince's notebook of ideas and general noodlings.

I like the fact that they haven't tried to clean up the recording too much. It bodes well for the future that they are confident enough to release stuff as it is found as opposed to polishing it up.... Although NC2U tells a different story.

They still have to make amends by releasing NC2U the way they found it. All would be forgiven. Same with OD/RG.

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Reply #434 posted 09/25/18 2:13am

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TheFreakerFantastic said:

^ Hahahah, I wouldn't put it past them! biggrin At least the 'leggers give you a full disc when they release stuff!!!

[Edited 9/25/18 0:49am]


if they followed bootlegger logic they would have included an outtake from 1988,
two alternate versions of 'we gets up' and a random soundboard of a live version
of 'cream' from an unspecified date lol


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Reply #435 posted 09/25/18 3:07am

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Although NC2U tells a different story.

What story?

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Reply #436 posted 09/25/18 3:15am

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databank said:



JonnyBoyRebel said:




databank said:



My understanding, if I remember correctly what a reliable source told me some months ago, is that this was originally recorded on a 2 tracks multitracks that's been lost/erased, and that this cassette would be first gen from the multitracks or, at the very worst, second gen. Don't take my word for it, though, I may have gotten it wrong.




We have to presume that there are no multitracks left for this. And why would there be? This was Prince jotting down things in his "notebook". He probably finished the session, asked the engineer to copy it to cassette for him and then prepare the multitracks for the next session, whatever that was. For all we know, there could be hundreds of cassettes that constitute Prince's notebook of ideas and general noodlings.

I like the fact that they haven't tried to clean up the recording too much. It bodes well for the future that they are confident enough to release stuff as it is found as opposed to polishing it up.... Although NC2U tells a different story.



They still have to make amends by releasing NC2U the way they found it. All would be forgiven. Same with OD/RG.



What did they do to NC2U?
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Reply #437 posted 09/25/18 3:58am

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Reply #438 posted 09/25/18 4:27am

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paulludvig said:

databank said:

They still have to make amends by releasing NC2U the way they found it. All would be forgiven. Same with OD/RG.

What did they do to NC2U?

You can tell what they did by comparing it to the bootleg version, which is what should have been released.

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Reply #439 posted 09/25/18 4:31am

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databank said:



paulludvig said:


databank said:


They still have to make amends by releasing NC2U the way they found it. All would be forgiven. Same with OD/RG.



What did they do to NC2U?

You can tell what they did by comparing it to the bootleg version, which is what should have been released.



But are you sure the bootleg version was the final version? And which bootleg version are you talking about? What are some of the changes?
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Reply #440 posted 09/25/18 4:57am

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paulludvig said:

databank said:

You can tell what they did by comparing it to the bootleg version, which is what should have been released.

But are you sure the bootleg version was the final version? And which bootleg version are you talking about? What are some of the changes?

There's only one bootleg version by Prince. Then there's the version streamed by Paul. Then the album version.

I have good reason to believe that the Prince bootleg was the final version. A little bird told me so, a bird I trust. It's not my place to say more if my source won't.

But check recording dates for the various overdubs, compare the versions, do the maths. It's not hard to figure out what happened: there was already speculation about it being a possibility the minute the track was released.

Not to mention the existence of the single edit, which was another posthumous tinkering on top of it.

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Reply #441 posted 09/25/18 5:36am

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databank said:



paulludvig said:


databank said:


You can tell what they did by comparing it to the bootleg version, which is what should have been released.



But are you sure the bootleg version was the final version? And which bootleg version are you talking about? What are some of the changes?

There's only one bootleg version by Prince. Then there's the version streamed by Paul. Then the album version.


I have good reason to believe that the Prince bootleg was the final version. A little bird told me so, a bird I trust. It's not my place to say more if my source won't.


But check recording dates for the various overdubs, compare the versions, do the maths. It's not hard to figure out what happened: there was already speculation about it being a possibility the minute the track was released.


Not to mention the existence of the single edit, which was another posthumous tinkering on top of it.



Isn't the bootleg version previously available a rehearsal version? Again, what are the differences?
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Reply #442 posted 09/25/18 5:45am

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There is no final studio version of Nothing Compares except the Family version, that's what Prince wanted out in the world. The released version from this year is just a version earlier along the path, as would any version be. I dunno, at the same time I was pretty pissed off at the halfway done version of the Dance Electric that made the Purple Rain reissue so I suppose i'm a bit of a hypocrite.

I'm enjoying this release, tape hiss and all. Imagine they had done an eye records and added a load of limiter to remove the hiss?? lol

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Reply #443 posted 09/25/18 5:46am

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paulludvig said:

databank said:

There's only one bootleg version by Prince. Then there's the version streamed by Paul. Then the album version.

I have good reason to believe that the Prince bootleg was the final version. A little bird told me so, a bird I trust. It's not my place to say more if my source won't.

But check recording dates for the various overdubs, compare the versions, do the maths. It's not hard to figure out what happened: there was already speculation about it being a possibility the minute the track was released.

Not to mention the existence of the single edit, which was another posthumous tinkering on top of it.

Isn't the bootleg version previously available a rehesrsal version? Again, what are the differences?

Dude, the bootleg version was always the original studio version and has the same basic tracks as the posthumous and Family versions, there was never a rehearsal version. Check your files and you'll hear the differences, they're pretty obvious. Listen to the Prince bootleg version. Then check the overdubs recording dates. Then compare the original to the St. Paul stream. Then listen to the posthumous released version and you'll have all the pieces of the puzzle.

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Reply #444 posted 09/25/18 5:47am

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double post

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Reply #445 posted 09/25/18 5:53am

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jaawwnn said:

There is no final studio version of Nothing Compares except the Family version, that's what Prince wanted out in the world. The released version from this year is just a version earlier along the path, as would any version be. I dunno, at the same time I was pretty pissed off at the halfway done version of the Dance Electric that made the Purple Rain reissue so I suppose i'm a bit of a hypocrite.

I'm enjoying this release, tape hiss and all. Imagine they had done an eye records and added a load of limiter to remove the hiss?? lol

It wasn't. It's a version that didn't exist before 2018.

The Dance Electric is unfinished but is the way Prince left it and had it put to cassette one day before overdubbing it later. It's different.

It's not about what Prince wanted out in the world, it's about only putting out in the world things as Prince did them, finished or not, as opposed to tinkering them posthumously.

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Reply #446 posted 09/25/18 6:03am

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databank said:

jaawwnn said:

There is no final studio version of Nothing Compares except the Family version, that's what Prince wanted out in the world. The released version from this year is just a version earlier along the path, as would any version be. I dunno, at the same time I was pretty pissed off at the halfway done version of the Dance Electric that made the Purple Rain reissue so I suppose i'm a bit of a hypocrite.

I'm enjoying this release, tape hiss and all. Imagine they had done an eye records and added a load of limiter to remove the hiss?? lol

It wasn't. It's a version that didn't exist before 2018.

The Dance Electric is unfinished but is the way Prince left it and had it put to cassette one day before overdubbing it later. It's different.

It's not about what Prince wanted out in the world, it's about only putting out in the world things as Prince did them, finished or not, as opposed to tinkering them posthumously.

Oh you mean the way it was compiled and mixed from the tracks on the multitrack, yeah, dodgy business alright, I wasn't sure that was confirmed. Hmm, I think they did a decent job but I suppose it's a dangerous path to start down on.

I'd say there's a fair chance another mix will get released, hopefully. I was just thinking earlier of how many versions of That's Entertainment by the Jam have come out, at least 3 different versions of the same demo with different drum tracks, there's plenty of space for another mix of Nothing Compares on a reissue.

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Reply #447 posted 09/25/18 9:41am

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I may be wrong but I don't think there was much to be done to reduce the hissing that hasn't already be done. This came from a cassette! Reducing the hissing would most likely have meant fucking up other frequencies and the damage would have been worst even if it may have looked like it sounded better to untrained ears. Now I'm not sure, there are audio professionals here so maybe they can tell us.

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well you are wrong cuz lot of found album from dead artist have been made from a tape to a perfectly "non tape hissing" recording.

the last of this kind i heard was the sliver album from nirvana... it's not perfect but still listenable, and it was recorder with a shity cassette deck...

For now this piano and microphone album is just unlistanable.

i'm suprised by the number of fans who don't acknledge that bad quality, it seems when you become a fan, in religion like in music you just become a dumb zaelot, ready to belive in everyshit and to go blind to the truth... god is real and piano and microphone 1983 sounds great.

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Reply #448 posted 09/25/18 10:21am

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laforet99 said:

I may be wrong but I don't think there was much to be done to reduce the hissing that hasn't already be done. This came from a cassette! Reducing the hissing would most likely have meant fucking up other frequencies and the damage would have been worst even if it may have looked like it sounded better to untrained ears. Now I'm not sure, there are audio professionals here so maybe they can tell us.

.

well you are wrong cuz lot of found album from dead artist have been made from a tape to a perfectly "non tape hissing" recording.

the last of this kind i heard was the sliver album from nirvana... it's not perfect but still listenable, and it was recorder with a shity cassette deck...

For now this piano and microphone album is just unlistanable.

i'm suprised by the number of fans who don't acknledge that bad quality, it seems when you become a fan, in religion like in music you just become a dumb zaelot, ready to belive in everyshit and to go blind to the truth... god is real and piano and microphone 1983 sounds great.

another one neutral

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Reply #449 posted 09/25/18 10:28am

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laforet99 said:

I may be wrong but I don't think there was much to be done to reduce the hissing that hasn't already be done. This came from a cassette! Reducing the hissing would most likely have meant fucking up other frequencies and the damage would have been worst even if it may have looked like it sounded better to untrained ears. Now I'm not sure, there are audio professionals here so maybe they can tell us.

.

well you are wrong cuz lot of found album from dead artist have been made from a tape to a perfectly "non tape hissing" recording.

the last of this kind i heard was the sliver album from nirvana... it's not perfect but still listenable, and it was recorder with a shity cassette deck...

For now this piano and microphone album is just unlistanable.

i'm suprised by the number of fans who don't acknledge that bad quality, it seems when you become a fan, in religion like in music you just become a dumb zaelot, ready to belive in everyshit and to go blind to the truth... god is real and piano and microphone 1983 sounds great.

rolleyes

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