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Reply #300 posted 08/26/18 7:14am

206Michelle

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

luvsexy4all said:

but releasing the 37 track anthology on CD should create more interest...



Find enough people who still own a CD player willing to buy it to cover the cost of making them.

I honestly, without being sarcastic I ow of anyone still buying or even owning a CD player. Might as well just burn money than make CDs

Many laptops and most desktop computers have CD players.
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Reply #301 posted 08/26/18 8:21am

Ugot2shakesumt
hin

206Michelle said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:



Find enough people who still own a CD player willing to buy it to cover the cost of making them.

I honestly, without being sarcastic I ow of anyone still buying or even owning a CD player. Might as well just burn money than make CDs

Many laptops and most desktop computers have CD players.



New ones? No
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Reply #302 posted 08/26/18 12:20pm

Funkyalien

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

206Michelle said:
Many laptops and most desktop computers have CD players.
New ones? No

Honestly, those who don't collect lossless music or vinyl and are happy with cheap earbuds and mp3, they don't listen to music on proper gear and don't care about the sound or even about archiving their music. For them, convenience trumps quality, and they're the vast majority. There, I've said it.

I've even known a friend who bought a fat ass expensive bose wifi speaker, connected an amazon echo dot to that via bluetooth, and streamed amazon 256 mp3. I cannot imagine the further degradation in quality. What he was finally receiving through the bose was transcoded to sbc codec, and could not have been more than 160 kbps, if that. Harsh treble, sibilance, swooshy cymbals. But does anyone know the difference, right?

"Who wants to shove in a cd every time," was his justification. Well, bless his psychoacoustic algorithmic soul, more fool him.

If you're listening on half-decent amps and a set of good bookshelf or especially tower speakers, trust me you'll like the subtle difference. Music should not be about convenience. Listen to 'prince' (the album) on itunes aac, then listen to the original vinyl. Or even the hdtracks hi-res through a set of half-decent headphones. You'll ace them in a blind abx test every time. Mastering, equipment and ears all make a difference.

Plus, for archival purposes, I like my music lossless or hi-res. Then I can transcode into any format I like, and I'm future proof.

I don't like this trend of VERY important prince music being available only as 320 mp3 (google play store, which seems to add some eq to boost midrange, at the expense of some drum-kick and standard bass, to put it simply) and 256 cvbr aac (itunes).

Where are my originals?

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[Edited 8/26/18 12:36pm]

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Reply #303 posted 08/26/18 12:24pm

Funkyalien

did i add that the google play store new sony/legacy prince mp3s, though cheaper than itunes, is encoded via fraunhofer and not even lame?

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Reply #304 posted 08/26/18 6:46pm

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Funkyalien said:

did i add that the google play store new sony/legacy prince mp3s, though cheaper than itunes, is encoded via fraunhofer and not even lame?

doh!

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Reply #305 posted 08/26/18 7:36pm

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leecaldon said:

rdhull said:

The release is fine. Its as any other Anthology from most other artists. Anthologies are like that. Seemingly random. Missing and including 'important tracks.'

Thats why they are called Anthologis and not Kitchen Sinks or Wholekitnkaboodle

The tracks clearly are not randomly chosen. As much as any of us may disagree with the selection, someone obviously put some thought into it.

Thats why I said 'seemingly random'..because thats what folks are harping on. Of course decisions were made about every song placed on it. Im aware that they werent chosen by a dart board throw.

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Reply #306 posted 08/26/18 11:03pm

Lovejunky

rdhull said:

leecaldon said:

The tracks clearly are not randomly chosen. As much as any of us may disagree with the selection, someone obviously put some thought into it.

Thats why I said 'seemingly random'..because thats what folks are harping on. Of course decisions were made about every song placed on it. Im aware that they werent chosen by a dart board throw.

Are you sure...? tease

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Reply #307 posted 08/27/18 5:14am

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Lovejunky said:

rdhull said:

Thats why I said 'seemingly random'..because thats what folks are harping on. Of course decisions were made about every song placed on it. Im aware that they werent chosen by a dart board throw.

Are you sure...? tease

lol

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Reply #308 posted 08/27/18 2:37pm

dodger

rdhull said:



Lovejunky said:




rdhull said:



Thats why I said 'seemingly random'..because thats what folks are harping on. Of course decisions were made about every song placed on it. Im aware that they werent chosen by a dart board throw.



Are you sure...? tease



lol



The selection of We March makes a dart board throw feasible
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Reply #309 posted 08/27/18 4:33pm

OperatingTheta
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dodger said:

rdhull said:



Lovejunky said:




rdhull said:



Thats why I said 'seemingly random'..because thats what folks are harping on. Of course decisions were made about every song placed on it. Im aware that they werent chosen by a dart board throw.



Are you sure...? tease



lol



The selection of We March makes a dart board throw feasible


It's a terrible choice for a closing track and is arguably the weakest song on 'The Gold Experience'; certainly the only track on that album I'd consider inessential.

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Reply #310 posted 08/28/18 4:21am

leecaldon

OperatingThetan said:

dodger said:
The selection of We March makes a dart board throw feasible
It's a terrible choice for a closing track and is arguably the weakest song on 'The Gold Experience'; certainly the only track on that album I'd consider inessential. * [Edited 8/27/18 16:36pm]

That is a very strange selection. At least there is symbolic reasoning for opening with Emancipation, evne if it makes no sense musically.

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Reply #311 posted 08/28/18 5:42am

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Most has been said but I’ll reiterate:
Exciting release and glad it’s out there. Interesting and diverse track list that will invite as much criticism as any other they’d come up with. I have faults with it but glad it’s surprising and a good intro. (Fury? Love? Dance for Me?(

Excellent news that the stuff is streaming. I’ve got virtually everything but never joined NPGMC and never heard Indigo Nights.

Re the Italian song: its chorus is the same as TMBGITW midsection right? Could this be why it’s spoken in the remixes?
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Reply #312 posted 08/28/18 6:17am

Funkyalien

wasitgood4u said:

Re the Italian song: its chorus is the same as TMBGITW midsection right? Could this be why it’s spoken in the remixes?

I'd like to know a bit more about this too. Is it that blatant?

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Reply #313 posted 08/28/18 7:20am

Silvertongue7

Funkyalien said:



wasitgood4u said:


Re the Italian song: its chorus is the same as TMBGITW midsection right? Could this be why it’s spoken in the remixes?

I'd like to know a bit more about this too. Is it that blatant?


Personally I think that there’s no way Prince knew that song. But it is true that there is a bit that sounds exactly like the main Melody of TMBGITW. It’s only a few notes, so on my opinion it is a coincidence, but the similarity is there.
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Reply #314 posted 08/28/18 4:50pm

luvsexy4all

Silvertongue7 said:

Funkyalien said:

I'd like to know a bit more about this too. Is it that blatant?

Personally I think that there’s no way Prince knew that song. But it is true that there is a bit that sounds exactly like the main Melody of TMBGITW. It’s only a few notes, so on my opinion it is a coincidence, but the similarity is there.

but the brian mcknight song "U" is more like TMBGITW

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Reply #315 posted 08/28/18 7:55pm

rdhull

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leecaldon said:

OperatingThetan said:

dodger said: It's a terrible choice for a closing track and is arguably the weakest song on 'The Gold Experience'; certainly the only track on that album I'd consider inessential. * [Edited 8/27/18 16:36pm]

That is a very strange selection. At least there is symbolic reasoning for opening with Emancipation, evne if it makes no sense musically.

It's not strange. It's inclusion is probably due to the Estate wnting a representative song that shows his political black awareness side etc. Having it included at the end is inconsequential. Yall wanted the end song to be The Love We Make. lol

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Reply #316 posted 08/29/18 9:26am

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From a graphic design standpoint, I like the way the symbol is comprised of all of the later album covers, similar to how the original looked up to 1992.

I wonder if anyone would be able to do one of the entire discography?

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Reply #317 posted 08/29/18 11:33am

RodeoSchro

The Anthology playlist is AWESOME.

If the idea was to put together a playlist that would introduce the casual fan to Prince's lesser-known gems as a way to generate interest from those consumers in stuff they have never heard before (i.e., the vault), then Mission Accomplished.

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Reply #318 posted 08/29/18 3:58pm

RODSERLING

luvsexy4all said:



Silvertongue7 said:


Funkyalien said:


I'd like to know a bit more about this too. Is it that blatant?



Personally I think that there’s no way Prince would k
new that song. But it is true that there is a bit that sounds exactly like the main Melody of TMBGITW. It’s only a few notes, so on my opinion it is a coincidence, but the similarity is there.

but the brian mcknight song "U" is more like TMBGITW



Not that obvious at all! And " You " was released in 1995, one year TMBGITW.
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So not relevant here.
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Personnally, I think it must be à coïncidence because Raynard J. Hasn t even a wiki page, not even in italian.
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This song never charted at all, anywhere in the World. It was an underground song (great by the Way), broadcasted on underground italian radios in 1983.
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I highly doubt that song was broadcasted to the radios, not even once, After 1983. It would have been à succession of huge coïncidence s that Prince would be in Italy in 1983, heard this on an underground radio, and remembered it ten years later. I don t buy it.
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Same thing happened to MJ with Will you be there, accused of plagiarism from obscure italian composérs.
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Reply #319 posted 08/29/18 4:01pm

RODSERLING

RodeoSchro said:

The Anthology playlist is AWESOME.

If the idea was to put together a playlist that would introduce the casual fan to Prince's lesser-known gems as a way to generate interest from those consumers in stuff they have never heard before (i.e., the vault), then Mission Accomplished.



This mission is in fact far from being accomplished, because it only charted in one country in the World : #114 in Belgium.
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So from this point of view, this is a huge failure, and doesn t attract much streams.
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Reply #320 posted 08/29/18 4:17pm

rdhull

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RODSERLING said:

RodeoSchro said:

The Anthology playlist is AWESOME.

If the idea was to put together a playlist that would introduce the casual fan to Prince's lesser-known gems as a way to generate interest from those consumers in stuff they have never heard before (i.e., the vault), then Mission Accomplished.

This mission is in fact far from being accomplished, because it only charted in one country in the World : #114 in Belgium. . So from this point of view, this is a huge failure, and doesn t attract much streams.

It wasnt supposed to set the charts ablaze. NO anthology is.

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Reply #321 posted 08/29/18 5:52pm

RodeoSchro

rdhull said:

RODSERLING said:

RodeoSchro said: This mission is in fact far from being accomplished, because it only charted in one country in the World : #114 in Belgium. . So from this point of view, this is a huge failure, and doesn t attract much streams.

It wasnt supposed to set the charts ablaze. NO anthology is.



It's like Rod's post came from the Twilight Zone or something.

J/K Rod, but RD hit the nail on the head.

I listened to the Anthology playlist for the first time while working out the other day (which is what prompted this post). I've been a fan since literally Day 1 and have pretty much everything there is to have.

That playlist absolutely ROCKED my workout.

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Reply #322 posted 08/30/18 2:28am

Kares

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rdhull said:

RODSERLING said:

RodeoSchro said: This mission is in fact far from being accomplished, because it only charted in one country in the World : #114 in Belgium. . So from this point of view, this is a huge failure, and doesn t attract much streams.

It wasnt supposed to set the charts ablaze. NO anthology is.

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pls see:

The Beatles: Anthology

Eric Clapton: Crossroads (box set)
James Brown: Star Time (box set)

The Beatles: 1962–1966, 1967–1970

The Rolling Stones: Singles Collection – The London Years (box set)

Bob Dylan: Biograph (box set)

The Allman Brothers Band: Dreams (box set)

Pink Floyd: Echoes

etc.

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Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' is also a prime example of how an anthology should be compiled to be more than just the sum of its parts. It is brilliantly sequenced, it has flow, it sounds like how a real album should sound – as opposed to the totally unprofessional sequencing of Prince's 1995-2010 Anthology.

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Reply #323 posted 08/30/18 3:18am

RODSERLING

rdhull said:



RODSERLING said:


RodeoSchro said:

The Anthology playlist is AWESOME.

If the idea was to put together a playlist that would introduce the casual fan to Prince's lesser-known gems as a way to generate interest from those consumers in stuff they have never heard before (i.e., the vault), then Mission Accomplished.



This mission is in fact far from being accomplished, because it only charted in one country in the World : #114 in Belgium. . So from this point of view, this is a huge failure, and doesn t attract much streams.

It wasnt supposed to set the charts ablaze. NO anthology is.



This anthology was supposed to highlight Prince s carreer in front of à large audience, only familiar with the WB material.
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Such an "anthology" Can t do this job.
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If they could have TMBGITW, they would have released à true greatest Hits instead, and surely even physically, in one or two CDs.
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Without an impact on charts, it Will have only an impact with the fans...who already owns this music
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Reply #324 posted 08/30/18 6:37am

RodeoSchro

RODSERLING said:

rdhull said:

It wasnt supposed to set the charts ablaze. NO anthology is.

This anthology was supposed to highlight Prince s carreer in front of à large audience, only familiar with the WB material. . Such an "anthology" Can t do this job. . If they could have TMBGITW, they would have released à true greatest Hits instead, and surely even physically, in one or two CDs. . Without an impact on charts, it Will have only an impact with the fans...who already owns this music .




What strategy would you use in order to get others than fanatical fans like us to buy vault material when it's released?

I should say that I do not care one whit about chart positions or sales. They don't justify my admiration of Prince's music one bit. I just want the music out there, and I especially want the ability to buy videos of certain concerts.

So if the strategy behind this anthology was to intrigue casual or non-fans in advance of releasing never-before-heard music, then what excites me is the "releasing never-before-heard music" part.

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Reply #325 posted 08/30/18 6:39am

rdhull

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Kares said:

rdhull said:

It wasnt supposed to set the charts ablaze. NO anthology is.

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pls see:

The Beatles: Anthology

Eric Clapton: Crossroads (box set)
James Brown: Star Time (box set)

The Beatles: 1962–1966, 1967–1970

The Rolling Stones: Singles Collection – The London Years (box set)

Bob Dylan: Biograph (box set)

The Allman Brothers Band: Dreams (box set)

Pink Floyd: Echoes

etc.

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Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' is also a prime example of how an anthology should be compiled to be more than just the sum of its parts. It is brilliantly sequenced, it has flow, it sounds like how a real album should sound – as opposed to the totally unprofessional sequencing of Prince's 1995-2010 Anthology.

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Those are BOXED SETS. Except the Beatles anthology. Everything about them is an event in the rockist music world. You KNOW that. The other box sets were events yes but they arent anthologies so miss me with the aha I gotcha nonsense.

This anthology is simply part of the collection of songs from the new cds from 95 on that are now vaialble widely and publicly. I know you and others want primo curation and releases (and that will come in due time) but this isnt it and doesnt seem like it was meant to be it. The major thing for the estate is making the previous hard to get and later day releases to now being on all streaming platforms.

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Reply #326 posted 08/30/18 8:57am

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rdhull said:

Kares said:

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pls see:

The Beatles: Anthology

Eric Clapton: Crossroads (box set)
James Brown: Star Time (box set)

The Beatles: 1962–1966, 1967–1970

The Rolling Stones: Singles Collection – The London Years (box set)

Bob Dylan: Biograph (box set)

The Allman Brothers Band: Dreams (box set)

Pink Floyd: Echoes

etc.

.

Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' is also a prime example of how an anthology should be compiled to be more than just the sum of its parts. It is brilliantly sequenced, it has flow, it sounds like how a real album should sound – as opposed to the totally unprofessional sequencing of Prince's 1995-2010 Anthology.

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Those are BOXED SETS. Except the Beatles anthology. Everything about them is an event in the rockist music world. You KNOW that. The other box sets were events yes but they arent anthologies so miss me with the aha I gotcha nonsense.

This anthology is simply part of the collection of songs from the new cds from 95 on that are now vaialble widely and publicly. I know you and others want primo curation and releases (and that will come in due time) but this isnt it and doesnt seem like it was meant to be it. The major thing for the estate is making the previous hard to get and later day releases to now being on all streaming platforms.

'You want it be one way but its the other'-Marlo Stansfield

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Reply #327 posted 08/30/18 12:33pm

Kares

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rdhull said:

Kares said:

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pls see:

The Beatles: Anthology

Eric Clapton: Crossroads (box set)
James Brown: Star Time (box set)

The Beatles: 1962–1966, 1967–1970

The Rolling Stones: Singles Collection – The London Years (box set)

Bob Dylan: Biograph (box set)

The Allman Brothers Band: Dreams (box set)

Pink Floyd: Echoes

etc.

.

Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' is also a prime example of how an anthology should be compiled to be more than just the sum of its parts. It is brilliantly sequenced, it has flow, it sounds like how a real album should sound – as opposed to the totally unprofessional sequencing of Prince's 1995-2010 Anthology.

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Those are BOXED SETS. Except the Beatles anthology. Everything about them is an event in the rockist music world. You KNOW that. The other box sets were events yes but they arent anthologies so miss me with the aha I gotcha nonsense.

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LOL.
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I've no idea what the "rockist music world" means, to me there's only one music world and that includes all music, but nevermind. Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' wasn't a box set either. The Beatles 1962–1966, 1967–1970 compilations weren't box sets either. And I could've added dozens of highly successful single or double greatest hits compilations (aka 'anthologies') to the list, some of them were even chart-topping, like the Eagles or Bob Marley ones. Or The Essential Bruce Springsteen one. (And yes, greatest hits collections aren't necessarily anthologies of course, but some of them are actually so comprehensive that they can be called anthologies too.)
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Anyway, what is your point regarding box sets? You mean (most) box sets aren't anthologies? And guess what: if this Prince Anthology would be released on physical formats, it would be a 5LP or 3CD box set...
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Reply #328 posted 08/30/18 1:00pm

rdhull

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Kares said:

rdhull said:

Those are BOXED SETS. Except the Beatles anthology. Everything about them is an event in the rockist music world. You KNOW that. The other box sets were events yes but they arent anthologies so miss me with the aha I gotcha nonsense.

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LOL.
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I've no idea what the "rockist music world" means, to me there's only one music world and that includes all music, but nevermind. Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' wasn't a box set either. The Beatles 1962–1966, 1967–1970 compilations weren't box sets either. And I could've added dozens of highly successful single or double greatest hits compilations (aka 'anthologies') to the list, some of them were even chart-topping, like the Eagles or Bob Marley ones. Or The Essential Bruce Springsteen one. (And yes, greatest hits collections aren't necessarily anthologies of course, but some of them are actually so comprehensive that they can be called anthologies too.)
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Anyway, what is your point regarding box sets? You mean (most) box sets aren't anthologies? And guess what: if this Prince Anthology would be released on physical formats, it would be a 5LP or 3CD box set...
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[Edited 8/30/18 12:46pm]

Dont worry about the Prince anthology. Be glad his hard to get later day releases are now available online. Hugs.

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Reply #329 posted 08/30/18 4:50pm

SkipperLove

Well, that is disappointing. But really maybe Prince needs a biographical film or documentary with real promotion..then maybe an anthology like that can get some traction. He does have younger newbie fans contrary to what folks on here think..its a trickle but its a start. A little video promotion that comes before prince clips on youtube and on streaming devices doesn't really cut it these days. It might have to be a long uphill climb before anthologies like that get attention. But I think we should wish for the best and acknowledge that Prince's musical catalogue is a bit overwhelming and it is a youth driven market. A good later day song featured in a cool scene from a movie might help. I hope that new video being shot in NYC will help as well. All I know is that very few magazine or online magazines have reviewed the anthology. But maybe a boxset that included music categorized by theme with older and newer songs thrown in the mix will help (maybe like a Prince best ballads compilation with ballads from his 'peak' as well as later love song gems). I think they will need to sneak the old stuff in with the new but package it in unique ways that make sense.

RODSERLING said:

rdhull said:

It wasnt supposed to set the charts ablaze. NO anthology is.

This anthology was supposed to highlight Prince s carreer in front of à large audience, only familiar with the WB material. . Such an "anthology" Can t do this job. . If they could have TMBGITW, they would have released à true greatest Hits instead, and surely even physically, in one or two CDs. . Without an impact on charts, it Will have only an impact with the fans...who already owns this music .

[Edited 8/30/18 16:52pm]

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