rogifan said:

206Michelle said:

206Michelle said:

OperatingThetan said:

Is Bland suggesting Prince was not a great guitar player here or is that just one possible interpretation of his statement? I'd be interested to see how other people perceived it.

“If you can see the finish line before you start the race, that’s a true artist,” Bland says of the period, and Prince’s ability to capture our attention, even now, with these records. “His greatest gift was his inspiration and his creativity, because it’s not that he was a great guitar player, for instance, it’s what he was able to say with it.” OT, I read it the same way as you did. Michael Bland is suggesting that Prince was not a great guitar player, and I think that MB is out of his damn mind for making that suggestion!!! Seriously, has he lost his mind?!?! Prince was an ELITE electric guitar player, one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Come on - that's totally not what he's saying! He's saying the reason that we all are all so invested in Prince isn't that he was an immensely skilled guitar player (not that he wasn't, but Bland seems to commenting on this because it's often the first thing a lot of people talk about when discussing Prince's greatness), rather it was his creativeness and the unusual and interesting things he was able to conceive in his music.

206Michelle said:

OperatingThetan said:

Is Bland suggesting Prince was not a great guitar player here or is that just one possible interpretation of his statement? I'd be interested to see how other people perceived it.

“If you can see the finish line before you start the race, that’s a true artist,” Bland says of the period, and Prince’s ability to capture our attention, even now, with these records. “His greatest gift was his inspiration and his creativity, because it’s not that he was a great guitar player, for instance, it’s what he was able to say with it.” OT, I read it the same way as you did. Michael Bland is suggesting that Prince was not a great guitar player, and I think that MB is out of his damn mind for making that suggestion!!! Seriously, has he lost his mind?!?! Prince was an ELITE electric guitar player, one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st centuries.

go and take your willful mis-interpretation and faux outrage elsewhere

kindofblue said:

As nobody has pointed it out before: Tidal features a long, well recherched article about the 1995 - 2010 period, that includes new interviews with Michael B, Chuck Zwicky, Alan Light et al, which contain lots of information and anecdotes, some of which are new to me.

- Michael B says, Michael Jacksons HISTory inspired Prince to release Emancipation as a 3 CD Set.

- Alan Light says, Prince hurt his hip while on the ONA tour.

etc. ect.

Read here:

http://read.tidal.com/article/prince-decade-muse

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I find it very hard to believe that in 1996 it was news to Prince that double albums get double sales figures, especially as he already had double albums in his own catalog.

Kares said:

kindofblue said:

As nobody has pointed it out before: Tidal features a long, well recherched article about the 1995 - 2010 period, that includes new interviews with Michael B, Chuck Zwicky, Alan Light et al, which contain lots of information and anecdotes, some of which are new to me.

- Michael B says, Michael Jacksons HISTory inspired Prince to release Emancipation as a 3 CD Set.

- Alan Light says, Prince hurt his hip while on the ONA tour.

etc. ect.

Read here:

http://read.tidal.com/article/prince-decade-muse

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I find it very hard to believe that in 1996 it was news to Prince that double albums get double sales figures, especially as he already had double albums in his own catalog.

I'm a bit confused as to when this policy started: was it already the case in the LP era or was it established at some point in the late 80's/early 90's? Like, did 1999 LP's count as TWO sales while 1999 cassettes and, later on, CD's counted as ONE? Many a double LP was a single cassette and later became a single CD.

any newer fans getting into the post 90's prince with this????

databank said:

Kares said:

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I find it very hard to believe that in 1996 it was news to Prince that double albums get double sales figures, especially as he already had double albums in his own catalog.

I'm a bit confused as to when this policy started: was it already the case in the LP era or was it established at some point in the late 80's/early 90's? Like, did 1999 LP's count as TWO sales while 1999 cassettes and, later on, CD's counted as ONE? Many a double LP was a single cassette and later became a single CD.

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RIAA was double-counting double albums in the '60s already, so yes, LP sales of '1999' were counted double, while the cassette and CD versions of the same album only count once.

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Shouldn't ANthology have it's own thread?

OperatingThetan said:

Kares said:

databank said:

I'm a bit confused as to when this policy started: was it already the case in the LP era or was it established at some point in the late 80's/early 90's? Like, did 1999 LP's count as TWO sales while 1999 cassettes and, later on, CD's counted as ONE? Many a double LP was a single cassette and later became a single CD.

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RIAA was double-counting double albums in the '60s already, so yes, LP sales of '1999' were counted double, while the cassette and CD versions of the same album only count once.

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Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copies in the US

databank said:

Kares said:

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RIAA was double-counting double albums in the '60s already, so yes, LP sales of '1999' were counted double, while the cassette and CD versions of the same album only count once.

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Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copies in the US

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Yup. The same goes for SOTT, Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds & Pearls, . We simply don't know how many copies they really sold – at least I don't know, but I haven't researched it either as I don't care about stuff like that. Someone might be able to find the actual sales figures though (and not just the certifications).
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Anyway, by 1996 Prince had already released 5 double albums in the US (The Gold Experience was also a double LP but was only released commercially in Europe) so I'm not buying the story of him being surprised in 1996 to learn that double albums count twice the sales.

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Kares said:

databank said:

Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copies in the US

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Yup. The same goes for SOTT, Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds & Pearls, . We simply don't know how many copies they really sold – at least I don't know, but I haven't researched it either as I don't care about stuff like that. Someone might be able to find the actual sales figures though (and not just the certifications).
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Anyway, by 1996 Prince had already released 5 double albums in the US (The Gold Experience was also a double LP but was only released commercially in Europe) so I'm not buying the story of him being surprised in 1996 to learn that double albums count twice the sales.

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Who knows... Prince was sometimes reported as being very down to earth when it comes to business, and other times as being completely disconnected from practical matters. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

rogifan said:

leecaldon said:

Those are all pretty reasonable assertions to make, and fairly mainstream thinking. The comment on Lovesexy would be the only questionable one for me.

Im sorry but IMO these “notes” should be generic and not full of opinion. They shouldn’t include words like unremarkable or bizarre.

I remember Tidal having something similar when Prince launched with them.

rogifan said:

206Michelle said:

dustoff said:

I don’t want to sound like I’m bitching, but why wasn’t the anthology 1994 to 2010? Dark and The Most Beautiful Girl in the World should be on this anthology. I know that TMBGITW was on the 4ever compilation. . For the most part, I think the tracks selected are good. But Colonized Mind needs to be on here because it is a masterful track. Also, where is Future Baby Mama; He won a Grammy for that song. . Also, why does the album stop at 2010?

Yeah I don’t know why it stops at 2010. Also I Like It There should be on here. He played it quite a bit live in the later years.

It stops at 2010 because that's where that time period covers the music that has just been made available on Spotify.

thisisreece said:

206Michelle said:

OperatingThetan said: “If you can see the finish line before you start the race, that’s a true artist,” Bland says of the period, and Prince’s ability to capture our attention, even now, with these records. “His greatest gift was his inspiration and his creativity, because it’s not that he was a great guitar player, for instance, it’s what he was able to say with it.”[/i] OT, I read it the same way as you did. Michael Bland is suggesting that Prince was not a great guitar player, and I think that MB is out of his damn mind for making that suggestion!!! Seriously, has he lost his mind?!?! Prince was an ELITE electric guitar player, one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Come on - that's totally not what he's saying! He's saying the reason that we all are all so invested in Prince isn't that he was an immensely skilled guitar player (not that he wasn't, but Bland seems to commenting on this because it's often the first thing a lot of people talk about when discussing Prince's greatness), rather it was his creativeness and the unusual and interesting things he was able to conceive in his music.

This is clearly what Bland meant. I don't know how anyone could interpret it differently.

sexton said:

thisisreece said:

Come on - that's totally not what he's saying! He's saying the reason that we all are all so invested in Prince isn't that he was an immensely skilled guitar player (not that he wasn't, but Bland seems to commenting on this because it's often the first thing a lot of people talk about when discussing Prince's greatness), rather it was his creativeness and the unusual and interesting things he was able to conceive in his music.

This is clearly what Bland meant. I don't know how anyone could interpret it differently.

Reading comprehension is an issue for many Prince fans.

databank said:

databank said:

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copiés in the US

OMG. You are all terribly wrong. . RIAA made it perfectly clear that every album released from 1982 onwards be counted twice, to the only condition : to have more than 100 minutes lenght. .

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OK, you're right – I forgot about the 100 mins criteria.

so if this garners a bunch of streams..will that mean they will release cds?

luvsexy4all said:

Of course they could make money, just not enough money. The most forgotten 80's pop artists get multiple disc re-releases.

If the Japanese can make money on rereleasing totally obscure albums as LP-replica CDs, recreating the original artwork with painstaking accuracy (incl. any postcards, inner sleeves, posters and anything the original release came with) in limited quantities of often just 1000, then I see absolutely no reason why a full catalog rerelease program for Prince's albums wouldn't be financially viable.

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Even his most obscure albums would easily sell at least 5000 worldwide with zero marketing, especially if they're beautifully made Japanese mini-LPs. Just imagine having his entire catalog as gorgeous, limited edition Japanese mini-LPs in 7" covers, as they did it for some Yes and ELP titles recently. (A 'Bitches Brew' SACD also just came out in 7" mini-LP cover and it's gorgeous, so is the Santana 'Lotus' package from last year.)

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jaawwnn said:

RODSERLING said:

jaawwnn said:

Of course they could make money, just not enough money. The most forgotten 80's pop artists get multiple disc re-releases.

the commercial interest in this deal is already killed. . That s why WB doesn t want to bother investing money in à deluxe reissue, when they already Lost their money on PR deluxe. .

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If WB lost money on PR Deluxe then it's because it was poorly produced. They didn't have access to the Paisley Park vault at that time, so (I don't care what anyone says but I trust my ears so I'm sure) they've resorted to sourcing the outtakes from their aging cassette copies, hence their poor audio quality. The tracklist should've been far more comprehensive. The booklet is a joke (even the layout and typography are horrible). The entire package is just so cheaply made. It's very far from a real box set Purple Rain would've deserved.

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If they'd release a new, truly comprehensive and high quality Purple Rain box set next year (with everything, incl. the original album properly remastered, instead of using Prince's amateurish in-house remaster), they would make a ton of money on it. Highly unlikely though, of course, I'm just daydreaming.

Kares said:

MIRvmn said:

Kares said:

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If WB lost money on PR Deluxe then it's because it was poorly produced. They didn't have access to the Paisley Park vault at that time, so (I don't care what anyone says but I trust my ears so I'm sure) they've resorted to sourcing the outtakes from their aging cassette copies, hence their poor audio quality. The tracklist should've been far more comprehensive. The booklet is a joke (even the layout and typography are horrible). The entire package is just so cheaply made. It's very far from a real box set Purple Rain would've deserved.

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If they'd release a new, truly comprehensive and high quality Purple Rain box set next year (with everything, incl. the original album properly remastered, instead of using Prince's amateurish in-house remaster), they would make a ton of money on it. Highly unlikely though, of course, I'm just daydreaming.

Yes WB obviously wasn't satisfied with PR Deluxe and only released it cuz it was part of the 2014 deal. They were also pissed off cuz Prince refused to release it in 2014 when it was the 30th anniversary. I do believe that at some point WB will release a much better box set with proper promotion cuz thay wanna milk Purple Rain as much as possible. [Edited 8/23/18 8:02am]

and it still wont do large numbers

MIRvmn said:

MIRvmn said:

Kares said:

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If WB lost money on PR Deluxe then it's because it was poorly produced. They didn't have access to the Paisley Park vault at that time, so (I don't care what anyone says but I trust my ears so I'm sure) they've resorted to sourcing the outtakes from their aging cassette copies, hence their poor audio quality. The tracklist should've been far more comprehensive. The booklet is a joke (even the layout and typography are horrible). The entire package is just so cheaply made. It's very far from a real box set Purple Rain would've deserved.

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If they'd release a new, truly comprehensive and high quality Purple Rain box set next year (with everything, incl. the original album properly remastered, instead of using Prince's amateurish in-house remaster), they would make a ton of money on it. Highly unlikely though, of course, I'm just daydreaming.

Yes WB obviously wasn't satisfied with PR Deluxe and only released it cuz it was part of the 2014 deal.

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Do we know that PR Deluxe was part of the '14 deal? I don't think so. As far as I'm aware only the remaster of the original album was part of the deal, that's what Prince gave them, without any bonus material. All the added stuff was just Warner's decision, with no involvement from the estate (apart from getting their approval) and with no access to Paisley's vault.