ChocolateBox3121 said:

muchtoofast said:

onlyforaminute said:

Maybe, I'm just laying my view on the table. It could have been any number of things. I'm interested in what going to come out. But I'm scared for the hospital if they lose.

Me too, I don’t think it would be fair if they lose.

They should have malpractice insurance.

peggyon said:

muchtoofast said:

onlyforaminute said: Me too, I don’t think it would be fair if they lose.

They should have malpractice insurance.

Which means their premiums go up. God knows how strapped they are financially, especially as a small town hospital. Hospitals are closing around the country because they simply can't afford to keep their doors opened, which is putting a stress on the other hospitals. It's a vicious circle.

muchtoofast said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

LIES!

“Sage words of Dr D”, I think I’m going to vomit. You think this guy is real and if so, he has probably assisted in deaths by overdose of real people. This fucking pill pusher needs his balls torn off then he needs to be in prison. If he’s real he also contributed to Prince’s addiction as the ultimate enabler. Stop genuflecting to a murderer. [Edited 8/7/18 15:45pm]

Amazing the lengths folks will go through to smear the character of someone they "love and respect". They'll bend over backwards to take the word of a drug dealer over legal authorities, close associates and pure logic. I honestly don't understand why.

muchtoofast said:

“Sage words of Dr D”, I think I’m going to vomit. You think this guy is real and if so, he has probably assisted in deaths by overdose of real people. This fucking pill pusher needs his balls torn off then he needs to be in prison. If he’s real he also contributed to Prince’s addiction as the ultimate enabler. Stop genuflecting to a murderer. [Edited 8/7/18 15:45pm]

.....Laura?........

PennyPurple said:

muchtoofast said:

“Sage words of Dr D”, I think I’m going to vomit. You think this guy is real and if so, he has probably assisted in deaths by overdose of real people. This fucking pill pusher needs his balls torn off then he needs to be in prison. If he’s real he also contributed to Prince’s addiction as the ultimate enabler. Stop genuflecting to a murderer. [Edited 8/7/18 15:45pm]

.....Laura?........

Penny, now you know better than that...ain't no way in hell Laura can correctly spell 'genuflecting'

Those who deny or minimize the depth of Prince's long struggle with addiction are looking away from how he transcended his demons and fought hard every day for his art and to share his many gifts with the world. Despite his addiction, his work ethic and artistic creations were monumental. When you deny his addiction you take away some of his hard-earned glory.

PennyPurple said:

onlyforaminute said:

peggyon said:

They should have malpractice insurance.

Which means their premiums go up. God knows how strapped they are financially, especially as a small town hospital. Hospitals are closing around the country because they simply can't afford to keep their doors opened, which is putting a stress on the other hospitals. It's a vicious circle.

I think they are suing Walgreens as well. W's has deeper pockets than the hospital.

It's a money grab.

peggyon said:

onlyforaminute said:

Which means their premiums go up. God knows how strapped they are financially, especially as a small town hospital. Hospitals are closing around the country because they simply can't afford to keep their doors opened, which is putting a stress on the other hospitals. It's a vicious circle.

I think they are suing Walgreens as well. W's has deeper pockets than the hospital.

It's a money grab.

We shall see.

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

.....Laura?........

Penny, now you know better than that...ain't no way in hell Laura can correctly spell 'genuflecting'

Hey who else is going to rip somebodies balls off?

onlyforaminute said:

Camileyun said:

PennyPurple said:

Zipfile 5 under telephone records, it has it's own folder.

Ah, that explains it...I never downloaded that file because of the pictures. Thanks.(still won't) [Edited 8/7/18 16:24pm]

?Huh? Most everything we've been talking about is in Zipfile 5. It's not that zipfile that has the pics. 5 has all the documents.........

muchtoofast said:

onlyforaminute said:

Which means their premiums go up. God knows how strapped they are financially, especially as a small town hospital. Hospitals are closing around the country because they simply can't afford to keep their doors opened, which is putting a stress on the other hospitals. It's a vicious circle.

Yes and who ultimately pays a hospital’s bills? Patients, sick people, some of whom get ruined financially by medical bills. Take a MF blood test and keep yourself alive.

Wow...

[Edited 8/7/18 17:11pm]

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

Hey who else is going to rip somebodies balls off?

Yours truly

muchtoofast said:

onlyforaminute said:

Which means their premiums go up. God knows how strapped they are financially, especially as a small town hospital. Hospitals are closing around the country because they simply can't afford to keep their doors opened, which is putting a stress on the other hospitals. It's a vicious circle.

Yes and who ultimately pays a hospital’s bills? Patients, sick people, some of whom get ruined financially by medical bills. Take a MF blood test and keep yourself alive.

True. But then I feel it's a catch 22, if there are policies in place to try and catch these counterfeits that's killing all kinds of people from various walks of life yet the hospital makes arbitrary decisions on not checking then where does that leave patients. I don't know. It's either or either or.

onlyforaminute said:

muchtoofast said:

onlyforaminute said: Yes and who ultimately pays a hospital’s bills? Patients, sick people, some of whom get ruined financially by medical bills. Take a MF blood test and keep yourself alive.

True. But then I feel it's a catch 22, if there are policies in place to try and catch these counterfeits that's killing all kinds of people from various walks of life yet the hospital makes arbitrary decisions on not checking then where does that leave patients. I don't know. It's either or either or.

Talk to Prince's family then. It's a lawsuit without merit. It seems some of Prince's family knew about his opiate addiction. Why not help chase the counterfeit drug-makers while he was alive?

[Edited 8/7/18 18:13pm]

onlyforaminute said:

muchtoofast said:

Her mistake was not believing him when he said he only took one or two. I don’t think she even saw the pills until Kirk came out in the hall and said to her “could these be the problem?” It’s not her job to demand the pills and dramatically flush them down the toilet. Doctors aren’t above the law and they have all kinds of patient rights they have to abide by.

Prince was awake and he was oriented and HE did not cooperate with the doctor or hospital. Kirk gave them the pill. Why do not you hold Prince accountable. He was an adult and exercising his rights. He could have sued them as well.

[Edited 8/7/18 18:18pm]

muchtoofast said:

She asked him like four times to take a blood test, she was worried about the patient not the pills

Later.

peggyon said:

peggyon said:

PennyPurple said:

muchtoofast said:

onlyforaminute said:

True. But then I feel it's a catch 22, if there are policies in place to try and catch these counterfeits that's killing all kinds of people from various walks of life yet the hospital makes arbitrary decisions on not checking then where does that leave patients. I don't know. It's either or either or.

I don’t see where it was arbitrary, she said she did what they usually do, have the pill identified by its markings.

I'm not the one filing the suit. I'm just trying to see all angles. A suit has been filed so, you know. Many many laws get changed because of suits.

muchtoofast said:

She asked him like four times to take a blood test, she was worried about the patient not the pills.

Exactly. Not only that, but if he was alert and oriented, no signs of dementia, no signs that he was a threat to himself (thinking of suicide) or others, then he had the right to self-determination. He had the right, as we all do, to accept or decline medical treatment. We cannot force treatment on someone who does not want treatment if he is able to make his own decisions. They are not jury or judge, they are not investigators. In an emergency setting, in which someone is OD'ing, their goal is to treat the patient's symptoms, not the drug. Their responsibility is not to assess the drug or what kind of drug the patient took, their responsibility is to stabilize that patient and save their life. Unfortunately, in situations like that, the doctors know the patient will probably go right back to the drug, and they may end up treating that patient again for another overdose, when they do, they'll once again treat the symptoms, not the drug. Adult Protective Services will not even get involved in such cases, even if you could argue that the drug use is a threat to the patient, because they view drug use and alcoholism as a lifestyle choice. And everyone has the right to determine how they want to live.

[Edited 8/7/18 19:24pm]

benni said:

muchtoofast said:

She asked him like four times to take a blood test, she was worried about the patient not the pills.

Exactly. Not only that, but if he was alert and oriented, no signs of dementia, no signs that he was a threat to himself (thinking of suicide) or others, then he had the right to self-determination. He had the right, as we all do, to accept or decline medical treatment. We cannot force treatment on someone who does not want treatment if he is able to make his own decisions. They are not jury or judge, they are not investigators. In an emergency setting, in which someone is OD'ing, their goal is to treat the patient's symptoms, not the drug. Their responsibility is not to assess the drug or what kind of drug the patient took, their responsibility is to stabilize that patient and save their life. Unfortunately, in situations like that, the doctors know the patient will probably go right back to the drug, and they may end up treating that patient again for another overdose, when they do, they'll once again treat the symptoms, not the drug. Adult Protective Services will not even get involved in such cases, even if you could argue that the drug use is a threat to the patient, because they view drug use and alcoholism as a lifestyle choice. And everyone has the right to determine how they want to live.

[Edited 8/7/18 19:24pm]

He also promised that he would get tests when he returned home, and followed through.

To the people thinking that he didnt want to take the drug test in Moline becasue he knew he had fentanyl in his system,

I would echo a comment made earlier by Paul,

"why would he be afraid of revealing Fentanyl versus other opiates?"