precioux said:

SkipperLove said:

Wasn't actually KJ who gave the Dr the pill? So P gave them nothing.

mnfriend said:

Camileyun said:

mnfriend said:

Do you think anyone who gets revived off a save shot is going to say anything but ‘it was my Dr prescription’ otherwise they are admitting to buying/ getting illegal drugs PLUS he said NO asked twice NO and signed NO don’t check my blood don’t check my blood says it’s all on me My business Sorry True [Edited 8/6/18 17:27pm]

Yep, and that's probably why he said no. He let Dr. S do a blood test because he hadn't taken the fentanyl prior to the appointment.

Which again leads me to believe he knew which ones had fentanyl and which ones didn't.

Camileyun said:

If he truly thought those pills were just hydrocodone, why would he have cared about a bloodtest in the hospital, but it was ok for Dr S to do one? Hipaa laws applied in both cases. He knew what was in those pills...He ordered them.jmo

He may not wanted the bloodwork because he knew it would be positive for narcotics in general.

Likely afraid it would be leaked to the Press as the general public perceived him to be "clean living"

Did she sound at all sympathetic? Or did she sound resentful? One of the reasons I didn't listen to her was because Debra's interview seemed so cavalier and callous. she almost seemed like she enjoyed the attention.

Krystalkisses said:

SkipperLove said:

Moody in what ways? I didn't listen to the interviews except for Debra's. I read the reports though and Crystal, I don't believe, stated anything in the reports about moodiness--only Prince withdrawing from people. I ask because how he is moody matters when discussing drug addict behavior.

It was in Crystal' s telephone interview with the police. I can't speak to how she meant it but from her bringing it up it seemed to be kinda a problem and/or frequent for her to take notice of it . I just got the feeling his moods were somewhat unpredictable like one day he is fine and the next he is very difficult to deal with. But I'm not sure.

peggyon said:

peggyon said:

Maybe, they finally convinced him to talk to a doctor and give up information by the time Shulbarg was checking him out.. . But I don't think that was it. I think you might be right. He didn't want folks to know what he was taking. Why would he care about hydrocodone being found in his system when he admitted to percocet. He had to have known about HIPAA laws. I am sure they told him. He got a surgery in 2011. they would have to know about his drug history to even give him the operation. He would have probably needed to be convinced in 2011 to be forthcoming about his drugs. He would have probably heard about HIPAA laws at least by that point. He must have known this was confidential. He didn't want Kirk and Judith to know how strong the crap was he was taking that night in Molene..he didn't want them to know how dire it was. IMO.

peggyon said:

Camileyun said:

If he truly thought those pills were just hydrocodone, why would he have cared about a bloodtest in the hospital, but it was ok for Dr S to do one? Hipaa laws applied in both cases. He knew what was in those pills...He ordered them.jmo

He may not wanted the bloodwork because he knew it would be positive for narcotics in general.

Likely afraid it would be leaked to the Press as the general public perceived him to be "clean living"

Camileyun said:

Camileyun said:

peggyon said:

He may not wanted the bloodwork because he knew it would be positive for narcotics in general.

Likely afraid it would be leaked to the Press as the general public perceived him to be "clean living"

Why did he trust Dr S not to go to the press?

Several days had passed and he may have come up with a different strategy. Had time to think.

-Dr. S was kind of vetted by KJ.

-He had promised Judith he would follow up.

-Or, he may have been placating KJ and others to "get them off is back", with the intention of

taking his life.

Not sure

paulludvig said:

He admitted to percocet. He was revived with Narcon. Anyone, if they wanted to break HIPAA laws, could have leaked already that Prince was being treated for a drug overdose. What more exposure could a blood test do after all that other craziness that night(in terms of exposure to the public.)? Unless he knew that he was taking some strong stuff with little concern for his life?

paulludvig said:

peggyon said:

He may not wanted the bloodwork because he knew it would be positive for narcotics in general.

Likely afraid it would be leaked to the Press as the general public perceived him to be "clean living"

That's more likely.

paulludvig said:

When he tested prince, Prince didn't have fentanyl in his system. That's the only difference. When he had fentanyl in his system, he wanted no test. When he had milder opiods in his system, he agreed to a blood test. ALso, it might be because of the fact that one doctor is easier to keep track of. But the fentanyl is the variable.

Camileyun said:

paulludvig said:

That's more likely.

Same question, why did he trust Dr.S, a man willing to illegally write a Rx in someone else's name, not to go to the press?

SkipperLove said:

Camileyun said:

I'll rock the boat even further...He knew what was in those pills, he probably took more than one...the LE and ME reports do not show the number of pills they believe he took or the amount of fent. found in the pills. They kept that information from the public because the compassionate ME wanted to honor the wishes of the family to cover up the suicide of an international icon. Just call it an accident, what's the harm? jmo [Edited 8/6/18 18:07pm]

paulludvig said:

The situation could have been disorientating. sure. I will give you that one. But also going in that direction, he was going through at least some withdrawal symptoms when he went to see Dr. Shulbarg. He had taken some opiods but they weren't enough to calm him (thus the reason for the anti-withdrawal med.s) But then he refuses to take the anti-withdrawal meds (the same ones Kirk kept because he didn't want Prince taking them alone) because one pill in the car didn't work and just gives up on them. . If he didn't think the stuff in the Bayer bottles was strong and it was percocet's fault for his overdose, why didn't he take at least some of Bayer bottles pills on the 17th, 18th, 19th and accidentally OD three days before? He seemingly avoided them for a while but for some reason in the last day of his life after he tested only for milder opiods in his blood test, he went back to the stuff he supposedly thougth was the milder hydrocodone (whilst going through withdrawal symptoms strong enough to supposedly render anti-withdrawal drugs mute.) At the very least, you have to admit that he knew that stuff in the Bayer bottles was stronger. I contend that even if he were disoriented in the hospital, he might have wanted to protect his drug of choice from being taken from him.

paulludvig said:

SkipperLove said:

When he tested prince, Prince didn't have fentanyl in his system. That's the only difference. When he had fentanyl in his system, he wanted no test. When he had milder opiods in his system, he agreed to a blood test. ALso, it might be because of the fact that one doctor is easier to keep track of. But the fentanyl is the variable.

The situation is the variable. In the first case he woke up from almost dying, probably disoriented, surrounded by people he didn't know. The second case was after having had time to think. With a doctor he kinda knew (through KJ)

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Camileyun said:

If you want an eye opener, check out Tradett.com. They have everything, 99.9 % pure (uh huh), fast, discreet and convenient delivery using DHL, Fed Ex, whatever you prefer. Fentanyl, lidocaine, hydomorphone, etc.etc. I was tempted to inquire about customization, but I'd rather not. This was not on the dark web and took me one Google search to find. Way too easy to get your hands on this crap. I can't believe they did not take Ps computer the first day before people deleted everything! He could have used anyone's credit card. Did LE consider that?
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Camileyun said:

Camileyun said:

Camileyun said:

Camileyun said:

If you want an eye opener, check out Tradett.com. They have everything, 99.9 % pure (uh huh), fast, discreet and convenient delivery using DHL, Fed Ex, whatever you prefer. Fentanyl, lidocaine, hydomorphone, etc.etc. I was tempted to inquire about customization, but I'd rather not. This was not on the dark web and took me one Google search to find. Way too easy to get your hands on this crap. I can't believe they did not take Ps computer the first day before people deleted everything! He could have used anyone's credit card. Did LE consider that?
[Edited 8/6/18 17:01pm]

Also, consider the evolution of the internet. Back in 1984 through 2008, he MAY have been getting drugs from Dr. D, the people around him, etc. When did he really start using the internet himself? When did it become so easy to buy this stuff off the internet from the comfort of your own home? That computer was key.
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So many of the clues and conjectures are converging on the same conclusion (sorry, I'm having an alliteration 'moment'): he knew exactly what was in each bottle. And why should this surprise anyone??? From the very beginning Prince was known to be smart, focused, detail-oriented to the point of mania, controlling,willful......the real shocker would be if he bought drugs behind a gas station from a stranger and hadn't a clue what was in them. Didn't happen that way. Rest assured, our guy knew what he was taking, knew what he was doing and knew how it would end...and where. Let's give him that: he was in control until the end and, LIKE ALWAYS, did exactly what he wanted to do. He was his own man, his own force-field, he was PRINCE....and PRINCE wasn't goin' to no damn rehab.

paulludvig said:

paulludvig said: