onlyforaminute said:

Shoot, I had such hope for you. No shit, Sherlock, I'm referring an earlier time in his life...You know, when some want to believe he did not come of age in the 70's when stuff was everywhere.

I'm actually very curious to what extent all these drugs influenced Prince's personality. Crystal said he was very moody and others said he ran hot and cold for decades. I don't know how much of that was the drugs or his natural personality. If you look back over his career there is various times where he seemed more balanced and other times he was very erratic.

onlyforaminute said:

OT means off topic

Krystalkisses said:

So true, Krystal, unfortunately having a discussion about that,AT THIS TIME, could be opening a very large can of very nasty worms!

Camileyun said:

That seems to have been his personality from the beginning.
[Edited 8/6/18 12:17pm]

Camileyun said:

Yeah, it might. I'm definitely not trying to start anything, it is just a major ? I've had since reading the reports and remembering biographies I've read about him in the past.

Krystalkisses said:

No, I know, it'd be an interesting discussion to have and I know YOU are not trying to start anything.

Camileyun said:

onlyforaminute said:

Um, that's what happens when one becomes an addict. Why are you driving back and forth over the exact same issue? Nobody gets anywhere going in circles over the same thing.

Shoot, I had such hope for you. No shit, Sherlock, I'm referring an earlier time in his life...You know, when some want to believe he did not come of age in the 70's when stuff was everywhere.

Cute, but by now you should have picked up I'm not really bothered by that kind of stuff. Sure we all are debating the when the hows and the wheres, there's nothing in the investigation though that gives an exact fact of those things, so everybody is expressing their opinion, yet some more forcefully than others by any means necessary, and that's becoming a big problem. You really can't interject what someone believes until they tell you, that part of what I mean by any means necessary, adding those neat little tidbits to belittle people. Passive aggressive, but aggressive nonetheless.

Krystalkisses said:

I'm actually very curious to what extent all these drugs influenced Prince's personality. Crystal said he was very moody and others said he ran hot and cold for decades. I don't know how much of that was the drugs or his natural personality. If you look back over his career there is various times where he seemed more balanced and other times he was very erratic.

I think we all are.

paulludvig said:

onlyforaminute said:

Just to butt in. Mayte doesn't even know what pills he asked her to flush which she did quite willing. And she's the only person with close association to him who hasn't said a word about him having any pain. I did find that odd.

They could have been her pills for all we know. [Edited 8/6/18 11:02am]

My recollection from reading her book was that they were both banged up and bruised all the time from performing; she even writes about having to use heavy body makeup to cover the bruising and Sheila also mentions performance-related injuries as common in her book.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Performing at this level night after night is hard on the body.

Camileyun said:

Thanks, I wish we could all just have am adult conversation about the many layers of Prince. His career, life story, art, personality and psychology have always fascinated me since I first became a fan. I wish there were others who want to go deep and uncover but it seems the majority of Prince fans only want to protect his falsehood like rabid pit bulls and help him preserve the image only HE wanted to project from beyond the grave. Like they are in the camp of "If you say anything mildly critical you are not a TRUE fan " or the "Prince lawyer " types who obviously pushing an agenda on how they want Prince to be perceived.

PennyPurple said:

onlyforaminute said:

PennyPurple said: It's still ass backwards to get addicted to the most powerful opioid there is, yet able to find the necessary relief as an addict from one of the weakest opioids there is. Where's the literature for that? Personally I think that's why he took his counterfeits and died. If he had been taking mildly laced fentanyl pills for a few weeks, a few months then he was getting amazing pain relief while getting hooked unknowingly to this stronger opioid. The withdrawals would have been the worse he'd ever experienced in his life because NOW he's addicted to the most powerful opioid there is. Of course the stuff KJ got him wouldn't do the trick in taking the edge off. His body wanted fentanyl, he's craving the stuff he's been taking. I think that's a pretty valid speculation when everything is considered. Which is why I think the family wants to sue the hospital because if they'd have actually tested the pill the mystery of why he was going through this kind of withdrawal would have been answered. He'd of been in a shitload of legal trouble but he might be alive.

Then you take Moline in consideration, and the 2 Narcan shots sent him reeling.

As far as the family suing, it's not the hospital's fault. He wouldn't allow them to do anything. He left against their advice.

Here's the thing about the hospital- they did not *test* the pill, other than visual confirmation, THAT'S where they f*cked up. Common sense says that if a patient required 2 narcan shots, there is no way that patient only took *a few* percocets/vicodin. Maybe they didn't have a *chemistry lab* on site, but that pill should've been taken for further research....and for that reason, I'm pretty sure they are going to have their asses handed to them, with no regard to Prince relinquishing responsibility when he signed out AMA-the responsibility of the hospital was to properly identify that pill, and they failed to do so.

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

Then you take Moline in consideration, and the 2 Narcan shots sent him reeling.

As far as the family suing, it's not the hospital's fault. He wouldn't allow them to do anything. He left against their advice.

Here's the thing about the hospital- they did not *test* the pill, other than visual confirmation, THAT'S where they f*cked up. Common sense says that if a patient required 2 narcan shots, there is no way that patient only took *a few* percocets/vicodin. Maybe they didn't have a *chemistry lab* on site, but that pill should've been taken for further research....and for that reason, I'm pretty sure they are going to have their asses handed to them, with no regard to Prince relinquishing responsibility when he signed out AMA-the responsibility of the hospital was to properly identify that pill, and they failed to do so.

i agree with that and think the family has a legit beef with the hospital.

precioux said:

I'm no expert, but 2 things...It probably would have taken a while to get the results back, and by that time he was long gone. But, they could have called him with their findings (and maybe he could have requested that). The bigger problem I see is how would they know that pill contained the same thing that he actually took? He had a couple stories of what he took and addicts do lie, or maybe he had no clue. The only way to know for sure was to draw blood, and he refused. I don't think they have a good case.

Btw, P was aware of the hipaa laws. Refusing blood work, in my mind, indicates to me he knew what was in those pills.

Camileyun said:

precioux said:

Here's the thing about the hospital- they did not *test* the pill, other than visual confirmation, THAT'S where they f*cked up. Common sense says that if a patient required 2 narcan shots, there is no way that patient only took *a few* percocets/vicodin. Maybe they didn't have a *chemistry lab* on site, but that pill should've been taken for further research....and for that reason, I'm pretty sure they are going to have their asses handed to them, with no regard to Prince relinquishing responsibility when he signed out AMA-the responsibility of the hospital was to properly identify that pill, and they failed to do so.

I'm no expert, but 2 things...It probably would have taken a while to get the results back, and by that time he was long gone. But, they could have called him with their findings (and maybe he could have requested that). The bigger problem I see is how would they know that pill contained the same thing that he actually took? He had a couple stories of what he took and addicts do lie, or maybe he had no clue. The only way to know for sure was to draw blood, and he refused. I don't think they have a good case.

I agree: the only PROOF of what he took was in his bodily fluids...NOT a random pill.

Camileyun said:

precioux said:

Here's the thing about the hospital- they did not *test* the pill, other than visual confirmation, THAT'S where they f*cked up. Common sense says that if a patient required 2 narcan shots, there is no way that patient only took *a few* percocets/vicodin. Maybe they didn't have a *chemistry lab* on site, but that pill should've been taken for further research....and for that reason, I'm pretty sure they are going to have their asses handed to them, with no regard to Prince relinquishing responsibility when he signed out AMA-the responsibility of the hospital was to properly identify that pill, and they failed to do so.

I'm no expert, but 2 things...It probably would have taken a while to get the results back, and by that time he was long gone. But, they could have called him with their findings (and maybe he could have requested that). The bigger problem I see is how would they know that pill contained the same thing that he actually took? He had a couple stories of what he took and addicts do lie, or maybe he had no clue. The only way to know for sure was to draw blood, and he refused. I don't think they have a good case.

Right, Cami. I don't think they have a case either. The two Narcan shots are not unusual. Narcan has a very short half life compared to many of these opioids. I've reported on the half-life before. It could be that he took more Perc's, or even took one, and then an hour later took another one, forgetting he had taken the first one. With the pills staggered that way, the first Narcan might have been effective with the one pill, but the second pill would still be in his system after the Narcan stopped working, and they would have to do the second one. That could be why the doctor said she didn't believe him, if he was only reporting one pill.

Someone else suggested that they might have a case since he they didn't test the pill and they had to give him the two doses, but again, the half life has to be determine. Also, the news has always reported Prince as being clean living, so they would have no reason to suspect that the pill might contain anything other than the medication he stated it was. His privacy and the persona he always tried to show to the world, played against him in this situation, and they could use that to explain why they would never suspect Prince of taking illicit drugs.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Camileyun said:

precioux said: I'm no expert, but 2 things...It probably would have taken a while to get the results back, and by that time he was long gone. But, they could have called him with their findings (and maybe he could have requested that). The bigger problem I see is how would they know that pill contained the same thing that he actually took? He had a couple stories of what he took and addicts do lie, or maybe he had no clue. The only way to know for sure was to draw blood, and he refused. I don't think they have a good case.

I agree: the only PROOF of what he took was in his bodily fluids...NOT a random pill.

Never thought of it that way Bodhi, but that does make sense.

PennyPurple said:

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said: She wouldn't incriminate herself in her own book, would she. Anyone can speculate. Even so she admit to taking pain pills at the time. There was also the coke rumour discussed on this thread. Anyway. No mention of pain at the time? Maybe not. But so what? This isn't the period in his life where we know for a fact that he was using opiates.

She had a C-section, of course they gave her pain pills. They were her pain pills, which he swiped.

But yet, you are the one who said he was having pain when he was with Mayte. Now when asked for facts you've changed mind?

He was using while with Mayte, and I gave references to where it has been noted.

also he looked under the influence in the James Brown ,Michael Jackson video.,,

precioux said:

*I have said this before here, I will say it again,
the hospitals cannot pill test on every single Narcon shot given: think about it, every day 20 addicts in 1 hospital a day come in revived off a save shot, they are going to go through an overdose/ addicts pockets to see what pills are ‘really’
No. No. No. the patient/ adult says yes/ no. Patient says NO to blood tests, NO to further possible treatment rehab, patient does not ask ‘test my pills, maybe I somehow got a wacky batch’
Do not sue and blame these hopsitals

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Camileyun said:

precioux said: I'm no expert, but 2 things...It probably would have taken a while to get the results back, and by that time he was long gone. But, they could have called him with their findings (and maybe he could have requested that). The bigger problem I see is how would they know that pill contained the same thing that he actually took? He had a couple stories of what he took and addicts do lie, or maybe he had no clue. The only way to know for sure was to draw blood, and he refused. I don't think they have a good case.

I agree: the only PROOF of what he took was in his bodily fluids...NOT a random pill.

*can't. help. myself.*


Hm, how would it appear in his body fluids? Maybe he ingested something that contained those ingredients? Well, I wonder what he had around him that had those ingredients? Hmm...might it have been a random pill he has? Oh I don't know, is such a thing possible? Nah, not possible that's too easy.

If you want an eye opener, check out Tradett.com. They have everything, 99.9 % pure (uh huh), fast, discreet and convenient delivery using DHL, Fed Ex, whatever you prefer. Fentanyl, lidocaine, hydomorphone, etc.etc. I was tempted to inquire about customization, but I'd rather not. This was not on the dark web and took me one Google search to find. Way too easy to get your hands on this crap. I can't believe they did not take Ps computer the first day before people deleted everything! He could have used anyone's credit card. Did LE consider that?
[Edited 8/6/18 17:01pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Camileyun said:

precioux said: I'm no expert, but 2 things...It probably would have taken a while to get the results back, and by that time he was long gone. But, they could have called him with their findings (and maybe he could have requested that). The bigger problem I see is how would they know that pill contained the same thing that he actually took? He had a couple stories of what he took and addicts do lie, or maybe he had no clue. The only way to know for sure was to draw blood, and he refused. I don't think they have a good case.

I agree: the only PROOF of what he took was in his bodily fluids...NOT a random pill.

true, but the fact is that the hospital failed to test it. If there is ANY way to prove that pill was from the same batch that killed him, and the hospital did not do their due dilligence, I'm afraid their ass will be handed to them

mnfriend said:

Yes, great post...unfortunately it zoomed over the next poster's head.

mnfriend said:

precioux said:

Here's the thing about the hospital- they did not *test* the pill, other than visual confirmation, THAT'S where they f*cked up. Common sense says that if a patient required 2 narcan shots, there is no way that patient only took *a few* percocets/vicodin. Maybe they didn't have a *chemistry lab* on site, but that pill should've been taken for further research....and for that reason, I'm pretty sure they are going to have their asses handed to them, with no regard to Prince relinquishing responsibility when he signed out AMA-the responsibility of the hospital was to properly identify that pill, and they failed to do so.

*I have said this before here, I will say it again, the hospitals cannot pill test on every single Narcon shot given: think about it, every day 20 addicts in 1 hospital a day come in revived off a save shot, they are going to go through an overdose/ addicts pockets to see what pills are ‘really’ No. No. No. the patient/ adult says yes/ no. Patient says NO to blood tests, NO to further possible treatment rehab, patient does not ask ‘test my pills, maybe I somehow got a wacky batch’ Do not sue and blame these hopsitals

Not all OD patients are worth 300 million either. Nor do they have the backing to go after a hospital. Do I think it's right by suing? No. But we're talking about Prince here who WAS worth 300 million, and a 'visual inspection' of the 'possible pill' he OD'd on was simply not enough due dilligence on their part, as I'm sure whatever attorney brought this suit against the hospital is clearly aware of.

precioux said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I agree: the only PROOF of what he took was in his bodily fluids...NOT a random pill.

true, but the fact is that the hospital failed to test it. If there is ANY way to prove that pill was from the same batch that killed him, and the hospital did not do their due dilligence, I'm afraid their ass will be handed to them

it would be nice to know if it is hospital protocal given that all emergency workers know these counterfeits are out there. It'll be ashame if it's supposed to be but they didn't this time because it was Prince. I guess we'll find out soon. If the Estate wins, it's going to be a change in hospital policies.

precioux said:

Are hospitals required to test a pill someone hands them? If not, I'm afraid the only people profiting from this suit are the lawyers...they'll get paid, win or lose. Scrupulous lawyers would tell their clients if there's a chance in hell of winning the lawsuit. Just don't think that's the case. Guess we shall see.

Moody in what ways? I didn't listen to the interviews except for Debra's. I read the reports though and Crystal, I don't believe, stated anything in the reports about moodiness--only Prince withdrawing from people. I ask because how he is moody matters when discussing drug addict behavior.

Krystalkisses said:

I'm actually very curious to what extent all these drugs influenced Prince's personality. Crystal said he was very moody and others said he ran hot and cold for decades. I don't know how much of that was the drugs or his natural personality. If you look back over his career there is various times where he seemed more balanced and other times he was very erratic.

Camileyun said:

mnfriend said:

*I have said this before here, I will say it again, the hospitals cannot pill test on every single Narcon shot given: think about it, every day 20 addicts in 1 hospital a day come in revived off a save shot, they are going to go through an overdose/ addicts pockets to see what pills are ‘really’ No. No. No. the patient/ adult says yes/ no. Patient says NO to blood tests, NO to further possible treatment rehab, patient does not ask ‘test my pills, maybe I somehow got a wacky batch’ Do not sue and blame these hopsitals

Yes, great post...unfortunately it zoomed over the next poster's head.

You're so cute.