Camileyun said:

Sorry this video isn't proof that he wasn't experiencing any hip pain. My mother is a personal trainer but has excruciating knee pain every single day but she is still mobile and is able to dance and do cardio.

Strawberrylova123 said:

Camileyun said:

Too damned cute?...Yes! In pain?...No way!

Sorry this video isn't proof that he wasn't experiencing any hip pain. My mother is a personal trainer but has excruciating knee pain every single day but she is still mobile and is able to dance and do cardio.

Does she self medicate with street drugs?

Here we go again. Some people must come here to hone their argument skills. I'm not sure P is their true concern, at least it doesn't appear that way to me. I understand defending P, or at least YOUR image of him, but dialing it down a bit might just get us somewhere, if that truly is your agenda. Seems like a total waste of time coming here just to bitch.

I totally agree with everything you said Penny. I have seen no evidence in the investigative reports to indicate he was having extreme pain at the time of his overdose. As you say, yes, he DID have hip pain, he had the surgery years ago, and may have been prescribed opiate pain killers at that time. He became addicted. Like so many thousands (or more) have. I'm not sure what the situation is in the US, but where I live, opiate prescriptions are now heavily regulated and scrutinized by emergency room docs, family doctors, pharmacies, and so on - people's records are online for professionals to monitor. I can name more than one person in my own life who have very quickly become addicted to pain meds that were originally prescribed for legitimate reasons, but as their tolerance increases, their ability to source them legitimately becomes difficult, with many pharmacies only prescribing 15 or 30 days worth at a time before requiring a new prescription from a doctor (which leads to doctor shopping also). The pain is long gone, but the addiction remains (and grows stronger over time), so some people begin to look for illegitimate sources. Throw fentanyl into the mix, and it's a recipe for tragedy. And that's what we're discussing here. I have my own thoughts about the involvement of 'associates' - their 'lawyering up' immediately, refusal to speak to police, tampering with evidence, and many other red flags int he reports but I doubt we will ever learn the extent to which associates were involved in supplying and enabling his addiction to continue to the point of overdoses and death. It's a very sad story, but I suspect quite common.

PennyPurple said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

PennyPurple said: Why do you think people get hip surgery for? Because they're in pain! In the documents many people have said he had hip pain and he also had hip surgery. This is documented

Yep you're right. He was in pain and had the surgery done to fix the problem, which probably helped his pain level go way down. Most people at the age of 57 do have aches and pains in their joints. No arguement there. If it gets too bad they go to a Dr............................not self medicate and buy off the streets.

This video that Skipper posted was from 2011, does it look like he had a hip problem?

https://www.youtube.com/w...ifye46mxpw

Strawberrylova123 said:

Can she dance like P?

PennyPurple said:

What does medicating on street drugs or getting prescribed drugs have to do with prince's hip pain?? According to crystal zehetner prince was seeing doctor's

PennyPurple said:

It is in the statements from people close to him. Much more evidence for pain than there is for drug use while married to Mayte.

Camileyun said:

Here we go again. Some people must come here to hone their argument skills. I'm not sure P is their true concern, at least it doesn't appear that way to me. I understand defending P, or at least YOUR image of him, but dialing it down a bit might just get us somewhere, if that truly is your agenda. Seems like a total waste of time coming here just to bitch.

Ha!

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

I take facts and run with it. Uh. Hello.....???

No paul there is evidence that there were drug issues while he was married to Mayte, also. FACT

Show me in the documents where he had pain. FACTS PLEASE.

You are saying he had pain when he died please show me where this FACT is.

It is in the statements from people close to him. Much more evidence for pain than there is for drug use while married to Mayte.

Just to butt in. Mayte doesn't even know what pills he asked her to flush which she did quite willing. And she's the only person with close association to him who hasn't said a word about him having any pain. I did find that odd.

onlyforaminute said:

They could have been her pills for all we know.
[Edited 8/6/18 11:02am]

paulludvig said:

They could have been her pills for all we now.

Do you not know what you are talking about?

And about the pills that she flushed, ask her about it. It's in her book.

Also the pills the Dr gave her after having the baby was coming up missing too.

And let's not forget the 'aspirin' and wine incident either. Didn't he have his stomach pumped that time?

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

I take facts and run with it. Uh. Hello.....???

No paul there is evidence that there were drug issues while he was married to Mayte, also. FACT

Show me in the documents where he had pain. FACTS PLEASE.

You are saying he had pain when he died please show me where this FACT is.

It is in the statements from people close to him. Much more evidence for pain than there is for drug use while married to Mayte.

I have seen no mention of pain when he was with Mayte.

Please show me the FACTS to support this comment.

Strawberrylova123 said:

PennyPurple said:

Does she self medicate with street drugs?

What does medicating on street drugs or getting prescribed drugs have to do with prince's hip pain?? According to crystal zehetner prince was seeing doctor's

According to Crystal, he was seeing Drs for pain pill purposes.

PennyPurple said:

She wouldn't incriminate herself in her own book, would she. Anyone can speculate. Even so she admit to taking pain pills at the time. There was also the coke rumour discussed on this thread.
Anyway.
No mention of pain at the time? Maybe not. But so what? This isn't the period in his life where we know for a fact that he was using opiates.

PennyPurple said:

paulludvig said:

They could have been her pills for all we now.

Do you not know what you are talking about?

And about the pills that she flushed, ask her about it. It's in her book.

Also the pills the Dr gave her after having the baby was coming up missing too.

And let's not forget the 'aspirin' and wine incident either. Didn't he have his stomach pumped that time?

I'd say a huge percentage of us already read her book and are expressing exactly what we saw.
She flushed pills but she doesn't know what they were, what they were for or where they came from, nor did she as his wife question any of it or sneak some out to find out what they were or anything she just happily did as she was told just like so many others.

She even said her state of mind was very bad during that time, she even was contemplating suicide. Do any of us know her well enough to know just how organized she is? How many of the pills came up missing? Did any other person have access to her pills?

And the wine and aspirin incident has been discussed here a zillion times a long long time before Prince's passing. Many people have said it is possible to take too many aspirin to then follow it by wine can cause one to need emergency assistance. Heck Prince even did a video showing himself drunk and out of control that "his bodyguard" had to come get him. So what exactly were the pills that Prince took with the wine, do you know?

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paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

Do you not know what you are talking about?

And about the pills that she flushed, ask her about it. It's in her book.

Also the pills the Dr gave her after having the baby was coming up missing too.

And let's not forget the 'aspirin' and wine incident either. Didn't he have his stomach pumped that time?

She wouldn't incriminate herself in her own book, would she. Anyone can speculate. Even so she admit to taking pain pills at the time. There was also the coke rumour discussed on this thread. Anyway. No mention of pain at the time? Maybe not. But so what? This isn't the period in his life where we know for a fact that he was using opiates.

She had a C-section, of course they gave her pain pills. They were her pain pills, which he swiped.

But yet, you are the one who said he was having pain when he was with Mayte. Now when asked for facts you've changed mind?

He was using while with Mayte, and I gave references to where it has been noted.

Strawberrylova123 said:

Knee pain and hip pain are really two different things. The fact your mom is still mobile is proof of that. I believe if P was going so far as to have hip replacement surgery, he was bone on bone. That is excruciating and debilitating. Hip surgery is very common, I know many people who have had it done and wish they had done it sooner. P went to the Mayo Clinic in Dallas ( I believe) and his surgery was performed by a specialist...You KNOW he'd only go to the best because his career depended on a successful outcome. I'd say it was highly successful surgery based on that video. Unfortunately, I believe, because of the surgery, he was well on his way to addiction, and, as Nola said above, this happens all the time.

PennyPurple said:

She took pain pills for physical pain. Perfectly legit. Just as Prince took pain pills after hip surgery.
I was saying he was having pain. I didn't say when.
You don't know who, if any, swiped Mayte's pills. That's an example of you overstating the facts.

paulludvig said:

Physical pain is probably why P became addicted. I believe mostly emotional pain was why he did any substance while with Mayte. The wine incident was well before they had the baby. It was during a rough patch in his life (WB, Denise marriage...whatever).

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

She had a C-section, of course they gave her pain pills. They were her pain pills, which he swiped.

But yet, you are the one who said he was having pain when he was with Mayte. Now when asked for facts you've changed mind?

He was using while with Mayte, and I gave references to where it has been noted.

She took pain pills for physical pain. Perfectly legit. Just as Prince took pain pills after hip surgery. I was saying he was having pain. I didn't say when. You don't know who, if any, swiped Mayte's pills. That's an example of you overstating the facts.

Look. I'm not overstating facts. It's in her book. READ IT. And stop telling me I'm overstating the facts, when you don't even know what the H you are talking about.

You have a problem with the facts as Mayte stated them. It's not me overstating the facts.

Yes, her pills were legit. Him taking her pills was not legit.

Camileyun said:

Physical pain is probably why P became addicted. I believe mostly emotional pain was why he did any substance while with Mayte. The wine incident was well before they had the baby. It was during a rough patch in his life (WB, Denise marriage...whatever).

I agree Cami, that's why I said he became addicted before and after his surgery in 2010.

Yes, exactly.

PennyPurple said:

Camileyun said:

Physical pain is probably why P became addicted. I believe mostly emotional pain was why he did any substance while with Mayte. The wine incident was well before they had the baby. It was during a rough patch in his life (WB, Denise marriage...whatever).

I agree Cami, that's why I said he became addicted before and after his surgery in 2010.

The point is P did not appear to be adverse to doing drugs for reasons other than pain. If you cannot accept that, it's OK.

Camileyun said:

paulludvig said:

She took pain pills for physical pain. Perfectly legit. Just as Prince took pain pills after hip surgery. I was saying he was having pain. I didn't say when. You don't know who, if any, swiped Mayte's pills. That's an example of you overstating the facts.

Physical pain is probably why P became addicted. I believe mostly emotional pain was why he did any substance while with Mayte. The wine incident was well before they had the baby. It was during a rough patch in his life (WB, Denise marriage...whatever).

I think most here are in agreement with that. Maybe now we can leave the whole "where are the facts he had pain" issue alone.

Camileyun said:

The point is P did not appear to be adverse to doing drugs for reasons other than pain. If you cannot accept that, it's OK.

Um, that's what happens when one becomes an addict. Why are you driving back and forth over the exact same issue? Nobody gets anywhere going in circles over the same thing.

onlyforaminute said:

Ooh, Only, we can agree on something...now that's progress.

PennyPurple said:

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said: She took pain pills for physical pain. Perfectly legit. Just as Prince took pain pills after hip surgery. I was saying he was having pain. I didn't say when. You don't know who, if any, swiped Mayte's pills. That's an example of you overstating the facts.

Look. I'm not overstating facts. It's in her book. READ IT. And stop telling me I'm overstating the facts, when you don't even know what the H you are talking about.

You have a problem with the facts as Mayte stated them. It's not me overstating the facts.

Yes, her pills were legit. Him taking her pills was not legit.

She thinking he was taking her pills isn't a fact though. That's just an opinion of somebody YOU like is all.

Camileyun said:

onlyforaminute said:

I think most here are in agreement with that. Maybe now we can leave the whole "where are the facts he had pain" issue alone.

Ooh, Only, we can agree on something...now that's progress.

I and everyone else came in here agreeing on that exact same issue, yet certain people keep backtracking over it for pages on end. That's not progress.

onlyforaminute said:

Maybe the maid or the butler did it, but she could've fired them for it... apparently she was pretty tough when P wasn't around...anyway OT.

Camileyun said:

onlyforaminute said:

She thinking he was taking her pills isn't a fact though. That's just an opinion of somebody YOU like is all.

Maybe the maid or the butler did it, but she could've fired them for it... apparently she was pretty tough when P wasn't around...anyway OT.

She could have done a whole lot of things in my opinion. You have your impressions of her and I have mine. That really isn't what we are debating here, is it?