The arguments seem to stem from the fact that some fans do not want to accept that Prince was a functioning, brilliant, eccentric and - yes - hotter-than-hell drug addict. How better to cover up using than to be anti-drug to the max? Accept that. Move on. He still made extraordinary music, and he was flawed, just like we all are. Maybe I am being too simplistic, but that is how I see this.

Lovejunky said:

1Sasha said:

The arguments seem to stem from the fact that some fans do not want to accept that Prince was a functioning, brilliant, eccentric and - yes - hotter-than-hell drug addict. How better to cover up using than to be anti-drug to the max? Accept that. Move on. He still made extraordinary music, and he was flawed, just like we all are. Maybe I am being too simplistic, but that is how I see this.

I agree and I do not think the most vociferous ones have read the investigative files. It may be too painful for them.

The arguments seem to stem from the fact that some fans do not want to accept that Prince was a functioning, brilliant, eccentric and - yes - hotter-than-hell drug addict. How better to cover up using than to be anti-drug to the max? Accept that. Move on. He still made extraordinary music, and he was flawed, just like we all are. Maybe I am being too simplistic, but that is how I see this.

onlyforaminute said:

1Sasha said:

The arguments seem to stem from the fact that some fans do not want to accept that Prince was a functioning, brilliant, eccentric and - yes - hotter-than-hell drug addict. How better to cover up using than to be anti-drug to the max? Accept that. Move on. He still made extraordinary music, and he was flawed, just like we all are. Maybe I am being too simplistic, but that is how I see this.

[/quote The post right before yours proves your first sentence wrong. Maybe you don't read anyone else's post but certain ones. Who should move on exactly if you yourself haven't moved on? What a very odd statement.

But in a way, aren't we all a litle hypocritical in a general sense? People are against the lottery, but grab a ticket when the jackpot is high, church goers claim to be living by the book, yet have affairs or steal, people are against homosexuality yet have three somes. Just a few for illustration.

Regardless if Prince was a long time addict, it does not diminish or erase that he is the most prolific artist of all time.

All it this does for me is see Prince in a different light, he was human and regardless of the image he displayed, he had faults, just like us, the fans.

nelcp777 said:

peggyon said:

OperatingThetan said:

peggyon said:

I agree and I do not think the most vociferous ones have read the investigative files. It may be too painful for them.

I've read all the investigative files and the recent DEA files, but have not arrived at some of the speculation being popularly espoused on this thread because the evidence is simply not present. The investigative file is too limited in terms of scope and time period to make any definite and sweeping categorisations. That Prince had a problem with opioids later in life and died as a result of a tainted drug sourced from the street is not in dispute. But suggestions that he was a life-long recreational user or functional drug addict, who was medicating not for pain but for pleasure, is entirely different and is not substantiated by the evidence currently available. Then there is the reliance on tabloid stories with a drug dealer to attempt to fill in the gaps. But the proposition Dr D puts forward regarding 'stage fright' is simply not a tenable one as I've suggested above.

What about what the associates have said to the Police in thier reports? What about what has been said in Maytes book? What about the OD Militant talked about in his post as being confirmed?

Are they all lying?

onlyforaminute said:

1Sasha said:

The arguments seem to stem from the fact that some fans do not want to accept that Prince was a functioning, brilliant, eccentric and - yes - hotter-than-hell drug addict. How better to cover up using than to be anti-drug to the max? Accept that. Move on. He still made extraordinary music, and he was flawed, just like we all are. Maybe I am being too simplistic, but that is how I see this.

[/quote The post right before yours proves your first sentence wrong. Maybe you don't read anyone else's post but certain ones. Who should move on exactly if you yourself haven't moved on? What a very odd statement.

I do read other posts. I don't see how what I said is compromised by the previous post.

OperatingThetan said:

incredibly sad to be reading about Demi Lovato & the fact that the medics had narcan on standby & likewise the word 'enablers' hanging around her....all to familiar a story now for us. Glad she has opened up & seemingly is getting the help she needs....if only P did the same too.

I want to clear up some misconceptions about some posts that were posted yesterday.

They did not brush Prince's clothes for DNA. Swabs were taken of his hands and neck. And we have not seen the results of those yet.

Who ever posted the article that had the numbers of the Watson's wrong, that has been debunked for at least year. Why it was even posted is beyond me, when the Investigative Documents are readily available. The facts are in the documents.

As far as the needle puncture that someone brought up. Do you not read the documents? He had a blood draw the evening before at the Drs. office.

And for Heaven's sake people you now all have Kirk carrying a dead Prince out of bed, dressing him and throwing him into the elevator.

It is becoming very clear that most of you have not read the documents. So how in the heck can you come to any conclusion?

Somebody also posted the pills that were tested. You left out the 15 from the jewelry box and your numbers are off on how many were tested.

Is it so hard for any of you to do any research?

Odd how many new posters are on this thread, only to start an uproar.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

incredibly sad to be reading about Demi Lovato & the fact that the medics had narcan on standby & likewise the word 'enablers' hanging around her....all to familiar a story now for us. Glad she has opened up & seemingly is getting the help she needs....if only P did the same too.

Yes, and she has her own thread. And I agree if only P had anybody who cared. But as you can see she her fans and associates are behind her 100% which P's fans would've supported him also.

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1Sasha said:

paulludvig said:

peggyon said:

Paul-read the files. You're a bright person, it won't take long. You will hear from a number of folks who stated Prince had issues with opiates.

I just finished complimenting you on your wit.

We are not making this up. Truth is stanger than fiction here. And, I bet we don't know the half of it.

He obviously had issues with opiates. The question is why and for how long.

Read the reports, listen to the interviews. Listen to what is being said here from the people who have read the reports and listened to the interviews and have given timelines again, and again, and again. Instead you come here just to argue and start trouble.

PennyPurple said:

Camileyun said:

PennyPurple said:

I want to clear up some misconceptions about some posts that were posted yesterday.

They did not brush Prince's clothes for DNA. Swabs were taken of his hands and neck. And we have not seen the results of those yet.

Who ever posted the article that had the numbers of the Watson's wrong, that has been debunked for at least year. Why it was even posted is beyond me, when the Investigative Documents are readily available. The facts are in the documents.

As far as the needle puncture that someone brought up. Do you not read the documents? He had a blood draw the evening before at the Drs. office.

And for Heaven's sake people you now all have Kirk carrying a dead Prince out of bed, dressing him and throwing him into the elevator.

It is becoming very clear that most of you have not read the documents. So how in the heck can you come to any conclusion?

Somebody also posted the pills that were tested. You left out the 15 from the jewelry box and your numbers are off on how many were tested.

Is it so hard for any of you to do any research?

Odd how many new posters are on this thread, only to start an uproar.

Thank you Penny, we don't have all the facts, but the ones we have are in the documents. Relying on old news stories with obsolete information is a waste of time. There's a lot of info to digest in the documents, but at least you'll know what you're talking about and can have a real debate based on facts if you disagree with something.

They act like they know what they are talking about, but then 1/2 of them haven't even read the documents.

And I'm not talking about Benni, she knows what is going on.

I was so disgusted at what went on with this thread yesterday, I didn't even want to post. What is wrong with people?

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PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

paulludvig said:

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

Read the reports, listen to the interviews. Listen to what is being said here from the people who have read the reports and listened to the interviews and have given timelines again, and again, and again. Instead you come here just to argue and start trouble.

No, I am pointing out some cases were you take the facts and run with it. There isn't evidence in the files to support the idea of 30 years of recreational drug use. There IS evidence that opiates was an issue from the time he was married to Testolini. To what extent is not clear. What is clear however is that the drug use was connected to pain issues.

I take facts and run with it. Uh. Hello.....???

No paul there is evidence that there were drug issues while he was married to Mayte, also. FACT

Show me in the documents where he had pain. FACTS PLEASE.

You are saying he had pain when he died please show me where this FACT is.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

PennyPurple said:

I take facts and run with it. Uh. Hello.....???

No paul there is evidence that there were drug issues while he was married to Mayte, also. FACT

Show me in the documents where he had pain. FACTS PLEASE.

You are saying he had pain when he died please show me where this FACT is.

Why do you think people get hip surgery for? Because they're in pain! In the documents many people have said he had hip pain and he also had hip surgery. This is documented

Yep you're right. He was in pain and had the surgery done to fix the problem, which probably helped his pain level go way down. Most people at the age of 57 do have aches and pains in their joints. No arguement there. If it gets too bad they go to a Dr............................not self medicate and buy off the streets.

This video that Skipper posted was from 2011, does it look like he had a hip problem?

https://www.youtube.com/w...ifye46mxpw

PennyPurple said:

I want to clear up some misconceptions about some posts that were posted yesterday.

They did not brush Prince's clothes for DNA. Swabs were taken of his hands and neck. And we have not seen the results of those yet.

Who ever posted the article that had the numbers of the Watson's wrong, that has been debunked for at least year. Why it was even posted is beyond me, when the Investigative Documents are readily available. The facts are in the documents.

As far as the needle puncture that someone brought up. Do you not read the documents? He had a blood draw the evening before at the Drs. office.

And for Heaven's sake people you now all have Kirk carrying a dead Prince out of bed, dressing him and throwing him into the elevator.

It is becoming very clear that most of you have not read the documents. So how in the heck can you come to any conclusion?

Somebody also posted the pills that were tested. You left out the 15 from the jewelry box and your numbers are off on how many were tested.

Is it so hard for any of you to do any research?

Odd how many new posters are on this thread, only to start an uproar.

Well to answer my part in this. The article I've already address the problem with it, but the only sources that list what may have been in those counterfeit pills come from those sources. Heck even the hospital got Prince's birthdate wrong, making number errors is common it seems.

From my understand not all the investigation files have been released. So how can anyone say for a fact what was or wasn't done. We all know a little something about DNA evidence and we know that people drop it all over the place. My response was in response to the people who were implying that KJ could have carried Prince's body anywhere.

And I know I have 2 separate investigation files saved on several of my personal devices. I do not have a photographic memory or even a great one for that matter, so anyone who has that kind of memory will definitely have a big advantage on me, but I still have access to the sources if I need to verify. I also know that all those phone calls and voicemail message are publicly available on YT, and no I haven't listened to every single one of them. I'm not interested in hours of even more random peoples speculations left on voicemails. But am willing to give a listen to small segments that someone convinces me are worth the time.

And a new name doesn't mean the person behind it is new here, the mods know who is who and that's all that's important.

My issue in this place is people suddenly only want the facts when something doesn't fit their own particular theory, then conveniently fudge their facts as they will and then get mad and huffy when everyone else doesn't fall in line with what a small subset wants.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

PennyPurple said: Why do you think people get hip surgery for? Because they're in pain! In the documents many people have said he had hip pain and he also had hip surgery. This is documented

Yep you're right. He was in pain and had the surgery done to fix the problem, which probably helped his pain level go way down. Most people at the age of 57 do have aches and pains in their joints. No arguement there. If it gets too bad they go to a Dr............................not self medicate and buy off the streets.

This video that Skipper posted was from 2011, does it look like he had a hip problem?

https://www.youtube.com/w...ifye46mxpw

Then how come you keep coming at people to show facts that he had pain issues? That don't make a lick of sense right there. You flip flop so badly when you get confronted with things. I guess now is the time somebody runs in and says how badly they feel to distract from this kind of stuff.