Oh, I forgot. Menes is the one writing a book, right? About Prince's death? Sensationalism does sell. I'm sure he'll do well with it.

benni said:

paulludvig said:

Menes said:

Designed? He's an opportunist, not an opiate "designer". What he didn't see coming , and couldnt gauge, was the extent of his intense cravings. He did have the right idea though.It is a perfect match=fentanyl/opiates+ lidocaine. Did you not read , or did you skip over the science ?

What science? You haven't been able to point to any sources to back up your bizarre claims about the properties of lidocain. [Edited 8/5/18 15:45pm]

Waa waa, stop whining, Paulie. Aren't you tired of being handfed? Open up and say " ahhh" and go shove Bod's post down your throat for sustenance.

benni said:

Oh, I forgot. Menes is the one writing a book, right? About Prince's death? Sensationalism does sell. I'm sure he'll do well with it.

Writing a book? Are you off in the head on the Sabbath? Have you no shame?

Menes said:

Menes said:

benni said:

Oh, I forgot. Menes is the one writing a book, right? About Prince's death? Sensationalism does sell. I'm sure he'll do well with it.

Writing a book? Are you off in the head on the Sabbath? Have you no shame?

Whatever cranks your tractor, Menes.

benni said:

PennyPurple said:

Benni, the valium came from Dr. S as part of a withdrawel protocol. Nothing to do with seizures as he wasn't suffering from seizures.

I'm sorry Benni, but you need to read the documents and the findings.

Penny, those were taken from the news reports that came out. I know the news aren't always accurate, but they were merely pointing out that it was also used for seizures. That is what the reporter was surmising, not what the official told them.

You've been cooked to a crisp is what it is. Hopefully, your eyelashes remained in tact . Something awful about a wowan without her lashes.

1. You stated lidocaine can't be made in pill form. Debunked

2. Babbliing about the (3) substances the pills cotained when we have the exact contents in the reports. You're fired.

3. You didn't even know what the needle puncture in his arm was from? You had to guess that when Penny has provided the info ions ago?

4. Lastly , you didnt know that L/R was Little Richard? Cheez. You're out of touch.

[Edited 8/5/18 16:01pm]

PennyPurple said:

benni said:

I also found this:

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.


The autopsy report also shows Prince had diazepam, lidocaine and hydrocodone acids in his body, the official said. Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium. It's a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child. Lidocaine is a local anesthetic.


Now this report may have not known that lidocaine could be added as a cutting agent to illicit pills, but in this report they mentioned "local anesthetic" which indicates a topical agent, not an ingested one.

Benni, the valium came from Dr. S as part of a withdrawel protocol. Nothing to do with seizures as he wasn't suffering from seizures.

I'm sorry Benni, but you need to read the documents and the findings.

Penny, did you figure out if KJ dragged Prince's body out of the elevator before the paramedics arrived? Per the positioning of the body, , I find it hard to believe that he strolled out of the 'vator , laid on his back and passed away. Maybe he did. No one elaborated on that initial contact.

Menes said:

benni said:

Penny, those were taken from the news reports that came out. I know the news aren't always accurate, but they were merely pointing out that it was also used for seizures. That is what the reporter was surmising, not what the official told them.

You've been cooked to a crisp is what it is. Hopefully, your eyelashes remained in tact . Something awful about a wowan without her lashes.

1. You stated lidocaine can't be made in pill form. Debunked

2. Babbliing about the (3) substances the pills cotained when we have the exact contents in the reports. You're fired.

3. You didn't even know what the needle puncture in his arm was from? You had to guess that when Penny has provided the info ions ago?

4. Lastly , you didnt know that L/R was Little Richard? Cheez. You're out of touch.

[Edited 8/5/18 16:01pm]

1. I said that lidocaine made into pill form would have to have an added ingredient.
2. The three substances the pills contained were what was in the news report.
3. I never mentioned a needle puncture in his arm.
4. And no, I didn't know LR was Little Richard, as I hadn't read her say anything about LR, which she was claiming resulted in the posting. Cheez.

5. Still waiting on you to provide the information that Paul has asked for, not just in this thread, but in previous threads when you made your claims.

muchtoofast said:

There were 156 of the white 853’s, in four different containers, and just 4 were tested, 1 from each container, and found to contain both fent and lido. So 152 of those pills are an unknown because they were not tested. There were 21 in another bottle, all were tested and found be just lido. 54 were in another bottle, 3 were tested and 2 were a combo and 1 was just lido. Lido in powder form is used as a cutting agent in illicit drugs. [Edited 8/5/18 16:18pm]

Is this something new to you? That's not the only purpose for using lidocaine 'ya know. There is empirical evidence to support a host of other things lidocaine hcl is used for , regardless of its form.

benni said:

Menes said:

You've been cooked to a crisp is what it is. Hopefully, your eyelashes remained in tact . Something awful about a wowan without her lashes.

1. You stated lidocaine can't be made in pill form. Debunked

2. Babbliing about the (3) substances the pills cotained when we have the exact contents in the reports. You're fired.

3. You didn't even know what the needle puncture in his arm was from? You had to guess that when Penny has provided the info ions ago?

4. Lastly , you didnt know that L/R was Little Richard? Cheez. You're out of touch.

[Edited 8/5/18 16:01pm]

1. I said that lidocaine made into pill form would have to have an added ingredient.
2. The three substances the pills contained were what was in the news report.
3. I never mentioned a needle puncture in his arm.
4. And no, I didn't know LR was Little Richard, as I hadn't read her say anything about LR, which she was claiming resulted in the posting. Cheez.

5. Still waiting on you to provide the information that Paul has asked for, not just in this thread, but in previous threads when you made your claims.

Please don't hold your breath.

Ingestion of lidocaine can cause numbness of the mouth and throat, which can lead to trouble swallowing and even choking. If a substantial amount is ingested, enough can be absorbed into the bloodstream to affect vital organs, primarily the brain and heart. Symptoms can range from mild drowsiness and headache to confusion, seizures, coma, and cardiac arrest.

It is important to note that these effects can result from excessive topical use or misuse of lidocaine as well. For example, covering a large area of the body with lidocaine or leaving it on the skin for a long time can lead to absorption of the drug into the bloodstream. This can also occur when it’s applied to skin that is not intact such as open wounds, blisters, or burns. Wrapping the treated area also increases absorption.

Another serious effect of lidocaine is a condition known as methemoglobinemia. Lidocaine can impair the ability of iron in red blood cells to carry oxygen to the tissues. Methemoglobinemia is the condition of having blood that has this altered kind of iron. Methemoglobinemia can result even from normal use of lidocaine, especially in children. Because the blood is not able to carry enough oxygen to the tissues, people with methemoglobinemia appear very pale or even blue, feel very tired, and have shortness of breath. Methemoglobinemia can be life-threatening.

When the incontrovertable truth of Prince's decline and death comes out, (via publication...not the internet) it will say he was a long-time 'pill man' who (in the sage words of Dr. D) was "majorly addicted" since Purple Rain. Yes, he had periods where he clawed himself up and out of the abyss...but he lived most of his life as an addict and died of an overdose. Period. The music, his gift to us from God, is another thing entirely.

benni said:

Ingestion of lidocaine can cause numbness of the mouth and throat, which can lead to trouble swallowing and even choking. If a substantial amount is ingested, enough can be absorbed into the bloodstream to affect vital organs, primarily the brain and heart. Symptoms can range from mild drowsiness and headache to confusion, seizures, coma, and cardiac arrest.

It is important to note that these effects can result from excessive topical use or misuse of lidocaine as well. For example, covering a large area of the body with lidocaine or leaving it on the skin for a long time can lead to absorption of the drug into the bloodstream. This can also occur when it’s applied to skin that is not intact such as open wounds, blisters, or burns. Wrapping the treated area also increases absorption.

Another serious effect of lidocaine is a condition known as methemoglobinemia. Lidocaine can impair the ability of iron in red blood cells to carry oxygen to the tissues. Methemoglobinemia is the condition of having blood that has this altered kind of iron. Methemoglobinemia can result even from normal use of lidocaine, especially in children. Because the blood is not able to carry enough oxygen to the tissues, people with methemoglobinemia appear very pale or even blue, feel very tired, and have shortness of breath. Methemoglobinemia can be life-threatening.

lol. If a substantial amount of any drug is ingested , it can cause death! Forget about trouble swallowing. Youre' really not saying anyting here that a remedial chemist doing an internship wouldn't know.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

benni said:

Menes said:

You've been cooked to a crisp is what it is. Hopefully, your eyelashes remained in tact . Something awful about a wowan without her lashes.

1. You stated lidocaine can't be made in pill form. Debunked

2. Babbliing about the (3) substances the pills cotained when we have the exact contents in the reports. You're fired.

3. You didn't even know what the needle puncture in his arm was from? You had to guess that when Penny has provided the info ions ago?

4. Lastly , you didnt know that L/R was Little Richard? Cheez. You're out of touch.

[Edited 8/5/18 16:01pm]

1. I said that lidocaine made into pill form would have to have an added ingredient.
2. The three substances the pills contained were what was in the news report.
3. I never mentioned a needle puncture in his arm.
4. And no, I didn't know LR was Little Richard, as I hadn't read her say anything about LR, which she was claiming resulted in the posting. Cheez.

5. Still waiting on you to provide the information that Paul has asked for, not just in this thread, but in previous threads when you made your claims.

Hmm, I thought you stated in post #1291 that there are no pills made strictly with lidocaine. You mean not even the pills found at PP that were tested by DEA scientists and found to contain only lidocaine? I'm confused . I'm confused. Not.

Menes said:

Penny, did you figure out if KJ dragged Prince's body out of the elevator before the paramedics arrived? Per the positioning of the body, , I find it hard to believe that he strolled out of the 'vator , laid on his back and passed away. Maybe he did. No one elaborated on that initial contact.

Well hello, stranger!

From the reports I believe that he projectile vomited on the front of the elevator, and fell backwards head in the back and feet in front where the opening is, but when he fell it was on his left side.

Still can't figure out why the vomit didn't test positive for narcs.

Menes said:

Menes said:

benni said:

Ingestion of lidocaine can cause numbness of the mouth and throat, which can lead to trouble swallowing and even choking. If a substantial amount is ingested, enough can be absorbed into the bloodstream to affect vital organs, primarily the brain and heart. Symptoms can range from mild drowsiness and headache to confusion, seizures, coma, and cardiac arrest.

It is important to note that these effects can result from excessive topical use or misuse of lidocaine as well. For example, covering a large area of the body with lidocaine or leaving it on the skin for a long time can lead to absorption of the drug into the bloodstream. This can also occur when it’s applied to skin that is not intact such as open wounds, blisters, or burns. Wrapping the treated area also increases absorption.

Another serious effect of lidocaine is a condition known as methemoglobinemia. Lidocaine can impair the ability of iron in red blood cells to carry oxygen to the tissues. Methemoglobinemia is the condition of having blood that has this altered kind of iron. Methemoglobinemia can result even from normal use of lidocaine, especially in children. Because the blood is not able to carry enough oxygen to the tissues, people with methemoglobinemia appear very pale or even blue, feel very tired, and have shortness of breath. Methemoglobinemia can be life-threatening.

lol. If a substantial amount of any drug is ingested , it can cause death! Forget about trouble swallowing. Youre' really not saying anyting here that a remedial chemist doing an internship wouldn't know.

Hmm, and what is the substanial amount of Lidocaine? Eh? How much is too much? Afterall, Prince would need to know that if he was designing his own pills, to contain only Lidcoaine. And if he knew that Lidocaine could be fatal if a "substanial amount is ingested", and wanted to use the Lidocaine to effect the Fentanyl as Bodhi described, why would he then have them cut the Fentanyl with Lidocaine? Wouldn't take a lidocaine pill on top of a Fentanyl based pill cut with Lidocaine, run the risk of being "substanial"?

Menes would you like to state what your credentials are? If you are writing a book and want it to be taken as fact, I assume the you have the credentials to back it up?

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Penny, did you figure out if KJ dragged Prince's body out of the elevator before the paramedics arrived? Per the positioning of the body, , I find it hard to believe that he strolled out of the 'vator , laid on his back and passed away. Maybe he did. No one elaborated on that initial contact.

Well hello, stranger!

From the reports I believe that he projectile vomited on the front of the elevator, and fell backwards head in the back and feet in front where the opening is, but when he fell it was on his left side.

Still can't figure out why the vomit didn't test positive for narcs.

Sorry hun< apologize for not saying hello .

Weird that he fell that way. What I'm trying to figure out is if he was found inside the elevator (door closed) or just outside of it. Combed reports, nothing. Pictures of him are outside of the elevator, so how did he get there?

benni said:

Menes would you like to state what your credentials are? If you are writing a book and want it to be taken as fact, I assume the you have the credentials to back it up?

Consultant for the L/R investigative foundation of higher learning. And you?

His gift came from HIM..not God, not the drugs. HIM. Believe it or not, I am not yelling at you. I just have a pet peeve about anyone giving God too much credit. Other people have said this about Prince (even Prince himself) but I just don't believe it. God, if you believe, might have given him the inclination, the inspiration and some of the neurological impulses that lead to musical ability, but he cultivated it, he crafted it, and it came from his imagination and emotional data bank. As for drugs, watching a Rolling Stones documentary recently I discovered that the Stones crafted some of their best music after getting a bit high. I am not saying the drugs gave them the talent, but apparently it gave them the stamina and energy..until it took over and people like Keith (after being arrested and his freedom and ability to work was threatened) went into the rehab. The talent would have still been there but maybe not to such a prolific degree.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

When the incontrovertable truth of Prince's decline and death comes out, (via publication...not the internet) it will say he was a long-time 'pill man' who (in the sage words of Dr. D) was "majorly addicted" since Purple Rain. Yes, he had periods where he clawed himself up and out of the abyss...but he lived most of his life as an addict and died of an overdose. Period. The music, his gift to us from God, is another thing entirely.

Menes said:

benni said:

Menes would you like to state what your credentials are? If you are writing a book and want it to be taken as fact, I assume the you have the credentials to back it up?

Consultant for the L/R investigative foundation of higher learning. And you?

I am an LMSW, (licensed Master level Social Worker). So L/R, would that happen to be Little/Richard?

benni said:

Menes said:

Consultant for the L/R investigative foundation of higher learning. And you?

I am an LMSW, (licensed Master level Social Worker). So L/R, would that happen to be Little/Richard?

Wow! sounds fancy. Yes, Little Richard. Finally! You've got it figured out!

Menes said:

benni said:

Menes would you like to state what your credentials are? If you are writing a book and want it to be taken as fact, I assume the you have the credentials to back it up?

Consultant for the L/R investigative foundation of higher learning. And you?

So, as a professional, do you often resort to name calling and condescension when trying to make the point of what your research shows?

benni said:

Menes said:

Consultant for the L/R investigative foundation of higher learning. And you?

So, as a professional, do you often resort to name calling and condescension when trying to make the point of what your research shows?

Hes taking the Piss benni,

LR is reference to Laura Richardson former org member

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Well hello, stranger!

From the reports I believe that he projectile vomited on the front of the elevator, and fell backwards head in the back and feet in front where the opening is, but when he fell it was on his left side.

Still can't figure out why the vomit didn't test positive for narcs.

Sorry hun< apologize for not saying hello .

Weird that he fell that way. What I'm trying to figure out is if he was found inside the elevator (door closed) or just outside of it. Combed reports, nothing. Pictures of him are outside of the elevator, so how did he get there?

Awe yes, I still haven't figured out that riddle..yet.