Menes said:

benni said:

Okay, let's break your statement down and think about this logically and realistically. So, I have some questions: 1. Prince, the man everyone is claiming is so shy, had stage fright, would be able to communicate with a manufacturer of illicit drugs (keeping in mind that these people tend to be like, you know, actual criminals)? The same man, who Chris Rock once shared a story that Prince went into the home of someone that he didn't know, where people were partying, and sat there, refusing to touch anything and looking like he wanted to get the hell out of dodge as soon as possible, because he was not comfortable in that element? 2. Where would Prince meet these said criminals and makers of illicit drugs to know how to order them? 3. Usually, even dealers don't get them from the manufacturers of illicit drugs, but through another person, as they are very protective of themselves and they have several layers between them and the dealiers, that's why drug busts take so long to get the people high up and DEA works undercover trying to find a way to get to the head honchos, but our Prince was able to do that? How?

OCCAM'S RAZOR, people.

I was summoned. Laws of "parsimony" will never hold a candle to those who understand complexities.

Whether Prince communicated with said "manufacturer" , a simple chemist down the street, or an illicit "fixer" ,all things being equal, there is indisputable evidence and support for using lidocaine to neutralize opioid pain that stems from long term opioid addiction.

Just because one is a not aware of any studies to support that, does not make it non-existent.

As to any discussions concerning whether lidocaine can be taken in pill form... Of course it can. It's just not made in pill form by manufacturers so you will never find anything legitimate on line concerning "lidocaine/oral/ pills" . Now ask yourself, do you think you could buy Lidocaine in powder form on line? This shouldn't surpirse you. It's sold in bulk all the time. So, If you can buy it, do you think a chemist/dealer could press it into a pill equal to the half life of a liquid injection of lidocaine that lasts "x" amount of hours? LOL.

How do you think the lidocaine PILLS got into PILL form at PP? IF it is in pill form, do you think that the chemical compound in the pill would have any effect on the body in any way if taken orally ?Google it and see if you can do such a thing with LIDOCAINE. I'll let you figuer that out.

This is but a small study conducted by your "gubment".

Lidocaine Infusion for Ch...tients ...




So, still think you can't make a pill out lidocaine because it is an liquid infused injection made by manufacturers? Dealers/rogue chemist do every day what the government decide to set trials for. Think again.

Masking the Bitter Taste ...on for ...


Moving on to Prince... As to the argument that is merely a cutting agent to "bulk " up product... what is the point of providing said addict with a batch of lidocaine pills separately? What is he bulking up exactly? Was this a cocaine batch we are speakin of? The reason why the chemcial analysis and make up of the pills were never found in the DEA data base( exhaustive) is because lidocaine was notprimary soruce of use as a cutting agent with fentanyl . It is more a coke based cutting agent for those "sniffers" who wouldnt be able to tell if the lidocaine or the cocaine was numbing them up.

Let's say that Prince had no idea what were in the pills, what is the purpose for separating anything if it is all the same? This seems to be counterproductive to addictive behavior.

Secondly ,if the idea is that the "dealer" is bulking up the fentanyl pills with lidocaine, what did he/she ( the dealer) accomplish by doing that? Not one single "mad rush" was reported for fentanyl pills laced with lidocaine in it. A dealer could press up pure fentanyl pills of the same size and not one of us( to include Prince) would be able to analyize it and say there is lidocaine in it because of the way it looks or taste. OTO, if you are told the difference, you would understand why the pills should be separated.

Which leads us back to Bod's points. Why would lidocaine ( separate or as part of a mixture) even be a part of this equation? Is there a synergy between fentanyl and lidocaine as it relates to your receptors? I could go on and on and post a million peered reviewed links concerning the matter. I thnk she (Bod)stated it quite eloquently. With fentanyl and lidocaine , you have the best of both worlds.

HI Menes, welcome back!!!

Menes said:

Menes said:

paulludvig said:

Menes said:

I was summoned. Laws of "parsimony" will never hold a candle to those who understand complexities.

Whether Prince communicated with said "manufacturer" , a simple chemist down the street, or an illicit "fixer" ,all things being equal, there is indisputable evidence and support for using lidocaine to neutralize opioid pain that stems from long term opioid addiction.

Just because one is a not aware of any studies to support that, does not make it non-existent.

As to any discussions concerning whether lidocaine can be taken in pill form... Of course it can. It's just not made in pill form by manufacturers so you will never find anything legitimate on line concerning "lidocaine/oral/ pills" . Now ask yourself, do you think you could buy Lidocaine in powder form on line? This shouldn't surpirse you. It's sold in bulk all the time. So, If you can buy it, do you think a chemist/dealer could press it into a pill equal to the half life of a liquid injection of lidocaine that lasts "x" amount of hours? LOL.

How do you think the lidocaine PILLS got into PILL form at PP? IF it is in pill form, do you think that the chemical compound in the pill would have any effect on the body in any way if taken orally ?Google it and see if you can do such a thing with LIDOCAINE. I'll let you figuer that out.

This is but a small study conducted by your "gubment".

Lidocaine Infusion for Ch...tients ...




So, still think you can't make a pill out lidocaine because it is an liquid infused injection made by manufacturers? Dealers/rogue chemist do every day what the government decide to set trials for. Think again.

Masking the Bitter Taste ...on for ...


Moving on to Prince... As to the argument that is merely a cutting agent to "bulk " up product... what is the point of providing said addict with a batch of lidocaine pills separately? What is he bulking up exactly? Was this a cocaine batch we are speakin of? The reason why the chemcial analysis and make up of the pills were never found in the DEA data base( exhaustive) is because lidocaine was notprimary soruce of use as a cutting agent with fentanyl . It is more a coke based cutting agent for those "sniffers" who wouldnt be able to tell if the lidocaine or the cocaine was numbing them up.

Let's say that Prince had no idea what were in the pills, what is the purpose for separating anything if it is all the same? This seems to be counterproductive to addictive behavior.

Secondly ,if the idea is that the "dealer" is bulking up the fentanyl pills with lidocaine, what did he/she ( the dealer) accomplish by doing that? Not one single "mad rush" was reported for fentanyl pills laced with lidocaine in it. A dealer could press up pure fentanyl pills of the same size and not one of us( to include Prince) would be able to analyize it and say there is lidocaine in it because of the way it looks or taste. OTO, if you are told the difference, you would understand why the pills should be separated.

Which leads us back to Bod's points. Why would lidocaine ( separate or as part of a mixture) even be a part of this equation? Is there a synergy between fentanyl and lidocaine as it relates to your receptors? I could go on and on and post a million peered reviewed links concerning the matter. I thnk she (Bod)stated it quite eloquently. With fentanyl and lidocaine , you have the best of both worlds.

This has been discussed before. Lidocain taken orally has no effect. You couldn't back up your claims with sources last time the topic was up.

Menes said:

benni said:

Okay, let's break your statement down and think about this logically and realistically. So, I have some questions: 1. Prince, the man everyone is claiming is so shy, had stage fright, would be able to communicate with a manufacturer of illicit drugs (keeping in mind that these people tend to be like, you know, actual criminals)? The same man, who Chris Rock once shared a story that Prince went into the home of someone that he didn't know, where people were partying, and sat there, refusing to touch anything and looking like he wanted to get the hell out of dodge as soon as possible, because he was not comfortable in that element? 2. Where would Prince meet these said criminals and makers of illicit drugs to know how to order them? 3. Usually, even dealers don't get them from the manufacturers of illicit drugs, but through another person, as they are very protective of themselves and they have several layers between them and the dealiers, that's why drug busts take so long to get the people high up and DEA works undercover trying to find a way to get to the head honchos, but our Prince was able to do that? How?

OCCAM'S RAZOR, people.

I was summoned. Laws of "parsimony" will never hold a candle to those who understand complexities.

Whether Prince communicated with said "manufacturer" , a simple chemist down the street, or an illicit "fixer" ,all things being equal, there is indisputable evidence and support for using lidocaine to neutralize opioid pain that stems from long term opioid addiction.

Just because one is a not aware of any studies to support that, does not make it non-existent.

As to any discussions concerning whether lidocaine can be taken in pill form... Of course it can. It's just not made in pill form by manufacturers so you will never find anything legitimate on line concerning "lidocaine/oral/ pills" . Now ask yourself, do you think you could buy Lidocaine in powder form on line? This shouldn't surpirse you. It's sold in bulk all the time. So, If you can buy it, do you think a chemist/dealer could press it into a pill equal to the half life of a liquid injection of lidocaine that lasts "x" amount of hours? LOL.

How do you think the lidocaine PILLS got into PILL form at PP? IF it is in pill form, do you think that the chemical compound in the pill would have any effect on the body in any way if taken orally ?Google it and see if you can do such a thing with LIDOCAINE. I'll let you figuer that out.

This is but a small study conducted by your "gubment".

Lidocaine Infusion for Ch...tients ...




So, still think you can't make a pill out lidocaine because it is an liquid infused injection made by manufacturers? Dealers/rogue chemist do every day what the government decide to set trials for. Think again.

Masking the Bitter Taste ...on for ...


Moving on to Prince... As to the argument that is merely a cutting agent to "bulk " up product... what is the point of providing said addict with a batch of lidocaine pills separately? What is he bulking up exactly? Was this a cocaine batch we are speakin of? The reason why the chemcial analysis and make up of the pills were never found in the DEA data base( exhaustive) is because lidocaine was notprimary soruce of use as a cutting agent with fentanyl . It is more a coke based cutting agent for those "sniffers" who wouldnt be able to tell if the lidocaine or the cocaine was numbing them up.

Let's say that Prince had no idea what were in the pills, what is the purpose for separating anything if it is all the same? This seems to be counterproductive to addictive behavior.

Secondly ,if the idea is that the "dealer" is bulking up the fentanyl pills with lidocaine, what did he/she ( the dealer) accomplish by doing that? Not one single "mad rush" was reported for fentanyl pills laced with lidocaine in it. A dealer could press up pure fentanyl pills of the same size and not one of us( to include Prince) would be able to analyize it and say there is lidocaine in it because of the way it looks or taste. OTO, if you are told the difference, you would understand why the pills should be separated.

Which leads us back to Bod's points. Why would lidocaine ( separate or as part of a mixture) even be a part of this equation? Is there a synergy between fentanyl and lidocaine as it relates to your receptors? I could go on and on and post a million peered reviewed links concerning the matter. I thnk she (Bod)stated it quite eloquently. With fentanyl and lidocaine , you have the best of both worlds.

What would be the purpose of making a lidocaine pill look like hydrocodone pill? They use lidocaine patches to alleviate pain for people that want to avoid addictive drugs.


https://www.clinicaladvis...le/574713/

If Prince were going to design his own drugs, he could have asked for them to put the symbol on one, to differentiate it from another, a peace sign on one, a heart on another. In this way, he would not have had to have multiple bottles with different pills in them, to keep them separated in various containers.

By having each pill designed to look like a hydrocodone pill, he risked the chance of taking the wrong pill when he was high out of his mind, since he was such a druggie, and wasn't taking the pills for pain.

It is just as likely that Prince bought different batches of what he thought was hydrocodone off the black market, and they each were mixed differently. One batch had the pills that were mainly (or all) lidocaine, and weren't as effective, so he put them in one bottle so he'd know, "Alleve - these don't really help". The other pills contained the hydrocodone and were more effective, so these go in the whichever bottle. Now these really are effective, fentanyl, lidocaine (to cut the pills), and whatever else was in them, so these went in the Bayer bottle, so he'd have them close at hand an when he had an ache or pain, he'd grab the Bayer bottle and those around him thought he was just taking an aspirin.

To imagine that Prince would have custom made pills, having a manufacturer create different pills with different drugs in them, is absolutely laughable. That would have left some kind of trail that the DEA would have followed up on, because he would have had to be in close contact with said manufacturer, and it would have shown up in emails, or phone calls, or what have you.

Even the infamous Dr. D stated that he got the pills for Prince - not that Prince had ordered specific drugs to be made but that Dr. D supplied them. I would think if Prince were manufacturing drugs, Dr. D would have been the first one to state, "Prince would design the drugs, tell how much of whatever substance to put into the drug, and then I would pick them up and deliver them to Prince."

Camileyun said:

OMG, it's because I mentioned LR, isn't it? There's been some cosmic shift in the universe that I wasn't aware of, and the results have converged on this thread all weekend.

LOL - What the hell is LR?

benni said:

Camileyun said:

Yes, I too think that illicit drug manufacturers should all have special pill presses with stars and hearts, and maybe even Ps glyph, so when his drugs get mixed up with someone else's, he'll be able to sort them out. He certainly couldn't handle telling the difference between 2 bottles! I'm sorry, I've resorted to sarcasm...time to go.

They actually do, dear.







And if they can make one for the Olympics, I'm sure they could've made a symbol.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

I was summoned. Laws of "parsimony" will never hold a candle to those who understand complexities.

Whether Prince communicated with said "manufacturer" , a simple chemist down the street, or an illicit "fixer" ,all things being equal, there is indisputable evidence and support for using lidocaine to neutralize opioid pain that stems from long term opioid addiction.

Just because one is a not aware of any studies to support that, does not make it non-existent.

As to any discussions concerning whether lidocaine can be taken in pill form... Of course it can. It's just not made in pill form by manufacturers so you will never find anything legitimate on line concerning "lidocaine/oral/ pills" . Now ask yourself, do you think you could buy Lidocaine in powder form on line? This shouldn't surpirse you. It's sold in bulk all the time. So, If you can buy it, do you think a chemist/dealer could press it into a pill equal to the half life of a liquid injection of lidocaine that lasts "x" amount of hours? LOL.

How do you think the lidocaine PILLS got into PILL form at PP? IF it is in pill form, do you think that the chemical compound in the pill would have any effect on the body in any way if taken orally ?Google it and see if you can do such a thing with LIDOCAINE. I'll let you figuer that out.

This is but a small study conducted by your "gubment".

Lidocaine Infusion for Ch...tients ...




So, still think you can't make a pill out lidocaine because it is an liquid infused injection made by manufacturers? Dealers/rogue chemist do every day what the government decide to set trials for. Think again.

Masking the Bitter Taste ...on for ...


Moving on to Prince... As to the argument that is merely a cutting agent to "bulk " up product... what is the point of providing said addict with a batch of lidocaine pills separately? What is he bulking up exactly? Was this a cocaine batch we are speakin of? The reason why the chemcial analysis and make up of the pills were never found in the DEA data base( exhaustive) is because lidocaine was notprimary soruce of use as a cutting agent with fentanyl . It is more a coke based cutting agent for those "sniffers" who wouldnt be able to tell if the lidocaine or the cocaine was numbing them up.

Let's say that Prince had no idea what were in the pills, what is the purpose for separating anything if it is all the same? This seems to be counterproductive to addictive behavior.

Secondly ,if the idea is that the "dealer" is bulking up the fentanyl pills with lidocaine, what did he/she ( the dealer) accomplish by doing that? Not one single "mad rush" was reported for fentanyl pills laced with lidocaine in it. A dealer could press up pure fentanyl pills of the same size and not one of us( to include Prince) would be able to analyize it and say there is lidocaine in it because of the way it looks or taste. OTO, if you are told the difference, you would understand why the pills should be separated.

Which leads us back to Bod's points. Why would lidocaine ( separate or as part of a mixture) even be a part of this equation? Is there a synergy between fentanyl and lidocaine as it relates to your receptors? I could go on and on and post a million peered reviewed links concerning the matter. I thnk she (Bod)stated it quite eloquently. With fentanyl and lidocaine , you have the best of both worlds.

HI Menes, welcome back!!!

Heyyy you.... still raising hell I see. I think the "simple" answer for some , is not so simple. Science rules all.

For instance, a thing so simple is playing the guitar( in his case)... Could he still play it? Sure. Without pain? No.

So why is that such a big deal? Well, when you're a long term opioid user, its a very big deal. As you mentioned, that MU opioid receptor has been rendered ineffective. Opiates like fentanyl wrecks havoc on that receptor. So ,those neurons are now fired up .Although playing the guitar can provoke what is interpreted as a normal pain response when you pluck/play steel strings, things are a bit different for the opiate addict, ya know? This pain is intensifed in the opiate addict's nerve cells. Unless you feed at an increasingly higher tolerance level, this is not a very good feeling . But you cant keep feeding at that level and playing. One would have to not play at all, or, stop feeding all together. The latter is really not an option at that stage. Him playing high is inconsequential to the debate. Lots of peolpe do that. This is about pain, opiate withdrawal pain. This is just one example.

Here is one with flowers on them! And some with smiley faces and crowns! These are Ecstasy pills, btw, which are made by illicut drug manufacturers.

[Edited 8/5/18 15:24pm]

Menes said:

benni said:

Camileyun said:

benni said: Please read pg. 151 of the Investigative Report, Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension drug analysis. You will find your statement is incorrect. [Edited 8/5/18 13:51pm]

Might want to recommend that to Bodhi, then, too.

And please supply a link, because I don't have them downloaded, nor do I have a link to where they are located.

[Edited 8/5/18 13:55pm]

Here you go Benni. As much as it has been discussed I'm surprised you don't have a link or have them downloaded.

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benni said:

Menes said:

I was summoned. Laws of "parsimony" will never hold a candle to those who understand complexities.

Whether Prince communicated with said "manufacturer" , a simple chemist down the street, or an illicit "fixer" ,all things being equal, there is indisputable evidence and support for using lidocaine to neutralize opioid pain that stems from long term opioid addiction.

Just because one is a not aware of any studies to support that, does not make it non-existent.

As to any discussions concerning whether lidocaine can be taken in pill form... Of course it can. It's just not made in pill form by manufacturers so you will never find anything legitimate on line concerning "lidocaine/oral/ pills" . Now ask yourself, do you think you could buy Lidocaine in powder form on line? This shouldn't surpirse you. It's sold in bulk all the time. So, If you can buy it, do you think a chemist/dealer could press it into a pill equal to the half life of a liquid injection of lidocaine that lasts "x" amount of hours? LOL.

How do you think the lidocaine PILLS got into PILL form at PP? IF it is in pill form, do you think that the chemical compound in the pill would have any effect on the body in any way if taken orally ?Google it and see if you can do such a thing with LIDOCAINE. I'll let you figuer that out.

This is but a small study conducted by your "gubment".

Lidocaine Infusion for Ch...tients ...




So, still think you can't make a pill out lidocaine because it is an liquid infused injection made by manufacturers? Dealers/rogue chemist do every day what the government decide to set trials for. Think again.

Masking the Bitter Taste ...on for ...


Moving on to Prince... As to the argument that is merely a cutting agent to "bulk " up product... what is the point of providing said addict with a batch of lidocaine pills separately? What is he bulking up exactly? Was this a cocaine batch we are speakin of? The reason why the chemcial analysis and make up of the pills were never found in the DEA data base( exhaustive) is because lidocaine was notprimary soruce of use as a cutting agent with fentanyl . It is more a coke based cutting agent for those "sniffers" who wouldnt be able to tell if the lidocaine or the cocaine was numbing them up.

Let's say that Prince had no idea what were in the pills, what is the purpose for separating anything if it is all the same? This seems to be counterproductive to addictive behavior.

Secondly ,if the idea is that the "dealer" is bulking up the fentanyl pills with lidocaine, what did he/she ( the dealer) accomplish by doing that? Not one single "mad rush" was reported for fentanyl pills laced with lidocaine in it. A dealer could press up pure fentanyl pills of the same size and not one of us( to include Prince) would be able to analyize it and say there is lidocaine in it because of the way it looks or taste. OTO, if you are told the difference, you would understand why the pills should be separated.

Which leads us back to Bod's points. Why would lidocaine ( separate or as part of a mixture) even be a part of this equation? Is there a synergy between fentanyl and lidocaine as it relates to your receptors? I could go on and on and post a million peered reviewed links concerning the matter. I thnk she (Bod)stated it quite eloquently. With fentanyl and lidocaine , you have the best of both worlds.

What would be the purpose of making a lidocaine pill look like hydrocodone pill? They use lidocaine patches to alleviate pain for people that want to avoid addictive drugs.


https://www.clinicaladvis...le/574713/

If Prince were going to design his own drugs, he could have asked for them to put the symbol on one, to differentiate it from another, a peace sign on one, a heart on another. In this way, he would not have had to have multiple bottles with different pills in them, to keep them separated in various containers.

By having each pill designed to look like a hydrocodone pill, he risked the chance of taking the wrong pill when he was high out of his mind, since he was such a druggie, and wasn't taking the pills for pain.

It is just as likely that Prince bought different batches of what he thought was hydrocodone off the black market, and they each were mixed differently. One batch had the pills that were mainly (or all) lidocaine, and weren't as effective, so he put them in one bottle so he'd know, "Alleve - these don't really help". The other pills contained the hydrocodone and were more effective, so these go in the whichever bottle. Now these really are effective, fentanyl, lidocaine (to cut the pills), and whatever else was in them, so these went in the Bayer bottle, so he'd have them close at hand an when he had an ache or pain, he'd grab the Bayer bottle and those around him thought he was just taking an aspirin.

To imagine that Prince would have custom made pills, having a manufacturer create different pills with different drugs in them, is absolutely laughable. That would have left some kind of trail that the DEA would have followed up on, because he would have had to be in close contact with said manufacturer, and it would have shown up in emails, or phone calls, or what have you.

Even the infamous Dr. D stated that he got the pills for Prince - not that Prince had ordered specific drugs to be made but that Dr. D supplied them. I would think if Prince were manufacturing drugs, Dr. D would have been the first one to state, "Prince would design the drugs, tell how much of whatever substance to put into the drug, and then I would pick them up and deliver them to Prince."

What's laughable is for someone who sees things so simple to not realize how simple it is to get a rogue chemist/ dealer to make whatever you want based upon your needs. It's done every single day. Prince never manufactured or designed anything . Nor was he a chemist. What he was, was an opportunist. A long term user with such resources could easily find the right people to get exactly what he wanted based upon his needs. You could get someone to press up pills for you right now if you had the right connections and wanted them for the right price. .

paulludvig said:

benni said:

Camileyun said:

benni said:

Okay, let's break your statement down and think about this logically and realistically. So, I have some questions: 1. Prince, the man everyone is claiming is so shy, had stage fright, would be able to communicate with a manufacturer of illicit drugs (keeping in mind that these people tend to be like, you know, actual criminals)? The same man, who Chris Rock once shared a story that Prince went into the home of someone that he didn't know, where people were partying, and sat there, refusing to touch anything and looking like he wanted to get the hell out of dodge as soon as possible, because he was not comfortable in that element? 2. Where would Prince meet these said criminals and makers of illicit drugs to know how to order them? 3. Usually, even dealers don't get them from the manufacturers of illicit drugs, but through another person, as they are very protective of themselves and they have several layers between them and the dealiers, that's why drug busts take so long to get the people high up and DEA works undercover trying to find a way to get to the head honchos, but our Prince was able to do that? How?

OCCAM'S RAZOR, people.

Your second sentence just answered your first question. To your next question, you do know what industry P was in, do you not? And thirdly, our P was a very intelligent individual that could get what he wanted, when he wanted. Who was going to deny him? And, unfortunately, no one did!

No, the second question doesn't, because it shows that kind of element terrified Prince. He would not have communicated with known criminals, especially drug manufacturers who are known to be VERY violent when needed to protect their business. And even musicians, actors, et al, do not have access to the manufacturers of these drugs. They mainly deal with trusted dealers, not the actual manufacturers. Yes, P, was very intelligent, but he was not someone who was going to design a drug for his own use. He was not a chemist.

Apparently Prince was at the forefront of medical science discovering hitherto unknown properties and potential applications of lidocain

paulludvig said:

Menes said:

Heyyy you.... still raising hell I see. I think the "simple" answer for some , is not so simple. Science rules all.

For instance, a thing so simple is playing the guitar( in his case)... Could he still play it? Sure. Without pain? No.

So why is that such a big deal? Well, when you're a long term opioid user, its a very big deal. As you mentioned, that MU opioid receptor has been rendered ineffective. Opiates like fentanyl wrecks havoc on that receptor. So ,those neurons are now fired up .Although playing the guitar can provoke what is interpreted as a normal pain response when you pluck/play steel strings, things are a bit different for the opiate addict, ya know? This pain is intensifed in the opiate addict's nerve cells. Unless you feed at an increasingly higher tolerance level, this is not a very good feeling . But you cant keep feeding at that level and playing. One would have to not play at all, or, stop feeding all together. The latter is really not an option at that stage. Him playing high is inconsequential to the debate. Lots of peolpe do that. This is about pain, opiate withdrawal pain. This is just one example.

Why do you use the term "feed" about ingesting pills?

Why do you never contribute anything of substance? You're an empty vessel clanging around the purple ship.

benni said:

But what I did find, that was talking about the kinds of pills found at Prince's home, was this comment:

Another aspirin bottle had more than 60 counterfeit tablets in it.

Some pills that were analysed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 - a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.

This indicates that the pills contained all 3 substances, not that there were 3 different kinds of pills analyzed, but rather that the pills analyzed had these 3 things in that pill that was analyzed.

No Benni. There were just pills with only Lidocaine. Anything in powder form can be pressed.

PennyPurple said:

benni said:

Might want to recommend that to Bodhi, then, too.

And please supply a link, because I don't have them downloaded, nor do I have a link to where they are located.

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Here you go Benni. As much as it has been discussed I'm surprised you don't have a link or have them downloaded.

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Thank you, Penny. Like I said, I had stopped reading them, because it was just too painful. I deleted the book mark for the Carver county ones and deleted them off my computer. It just seemed too invasive. I was always that girl at Prince concerts that if he said, "Don't bring in your phone, don't take pictures." I didn't do it.

I'll read these. (You really are a sweetheart, even if we don't agree on Prince taking the fentanyl on purpose.)

Menes said:

benni said:

What would be the purpose of making a lidocaine pill look like hydrocodone pill? They use lidocaine patches to alleviate pain for people that want to avoid addictive drugs.


https://www.clinicaladvis...le/574713/

If Prince were going to design his own drugs, he could have asked for them to put the symbol on one, to differentiate it from another, a peace sign on one, a heart on another. In this way, he would not have had to have multiple bottles with different pills in them, to keep them separated in various containers.

By having each pill designed to look like a hydrocodone pill, he risked the chance of taking the wrong pill when he was high out of his mind, since he was such a druggie, and wasn't taking the pills for pain.

It is just as likely that Prince bought different batches of what he thought was hydrocodone off the black market, and they each were mixed differently. One batch had the pills that were mainly (or all) lidocaine, and weren't as effective, so he put them in one bottle so he'd know, "Alleve - these don't really help". The other pills contained the hydrocodone and were more effective, so these go in the whichever bottle. Now these really are effective, fentanyl, lidocaine (to cut the pills), and whatever else was in them, so these went in the Bayer bottle, so he'd have them close at hand an when he had an ache or pain, he'd grab the Bayer bottle and those around him thought he was just taking an aspirin.

To imagine that Prince would have custom made pills, having a manufacturer create different pills with different drugs in them, is absolutely laughable. That would have left some kind of trail that the DEA would have followed up on, because he would have had to be in close contact with said manufacturer, and it would have shown up in emails, or phone calls, or what have you.

Even the infamous Dr. D stated that he got the pills for Prince - not that Prince had ordered specific drugs to be made but that Dr. D supplied them. I would think if Prince were manufacturing drugs, Dr. D would have been the first one to state, "Prince would design the drugs, tell how much of whatever substance to put into the drug, and then I would pick them up and deliver them to Prince."

What's laughable is for someone who sees things so simple to not realize how simple it is to get a rogue chemist/ dealer to make whatever you want based upon your needs. It's done every single day. Prince never manufactured or designed anything . Nor was he a chemist. What he was, was an opportunist. A long term user with such resources could easily find the right people to get exactly what he wanted based upon his needs. You could get someone to press up pills for you right now if you had the right connections and wanted them for the right price. .

Again, if he were going to do that, he would not have designed them all to look like hydrocodone. The risk of taking the wrong pill at the wrong time would have been too great. Prince, being the one who designed his own clothes, wanted things to look a certain way, would have had no qualms with asking them to make his pills look a certain way so that he could tell the difference between them, since he was so controlling. That is not a detail that Prince would have left to chance.

PennyPurple said:

benni said:

But what I did find, that was talking about the kinds of pills found at Prince's home, was this comment:

Another aspirin bottle had more than 60 counterfeit tablets in it.

Some pills that were analysed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 - a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.

This indicates that the pills contained all 3 substances, not that there were 3 different kinds of pills analyzed, but rather that the pills analyzed had these 3 things in that pill that was analyzed.

No Benni. There were just pills with only Lidocaine. Anything in powder form can be pressed.

Oh don't give out all the secrets now , Penny. Let her go hunt for it, since her path is finding the simplest solution to a complex problem.

Menes said:

benni said:

Menes said:

What's laughable is for someone who sees things so simple to not realize how simple it is to get a rogue chemist/ dealer to make whatever you want based upon your needs. It's done every single day. Prince never manufactured or designed anything . Nor was he a chemist. What he was, was an opportunist. A long term user with such resources could easily find the right people to get exactly what he wanted based upon his needs. You could get someone to press up pills for you right now if you had the right connections and wanted them for the right price. .

Again, if he were going to do that, he would not have designed them all to look like hydrocodone. The risk of taking the wrong pill at the wrong time would have been too great. Prince, being the one who designed his own clothes, wanted things to look a certain way, would have had no qualms with asking them to make his pills look a certain way so that he could tell the difference between them, since he was so controlling. That is not a detail that Prince would have left to chance.

Designed? He's an opportunist, not an opiate "designer". What he didn't see coming , and couldnt gauge, was the extent of his intense cravings. He did have the right idea though.It is a perfect match=fentanyl/opiates+ lidocaine. Did you not read , or did you skip over the science ?

benni said:

I also found this:

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.


The autopsy report also shows Prince had diazepam, lidocaine and hydrocodone acids in his body, the official said. Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium. It's a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child. Lidocaine is a local anesthetic.


Now this report may have not known that lidocaine could be added as a cutting agent to illicit pills, but in this report they mentioned "local anesthetic" which indicates a topical agent, not an ingested one.

Benni, the valium came from Dr. S as part of a withdrawel protocol. Nothing to do with seizures as he wasn't suffering from seizures.

I'm sorry Benni, but you need to read the documents and the findings.

paulludvig said:

Menes said:

Why do you never contribute anything of substance? You're an empty vessel clanging around the purple ship.

At least I am not making up stuff.

Take a walk upside down and reclaim your distinguished listenting post on the sidelines , Paulie boy.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

No Benni. There were just pills with only Lidocaine. Anything in powder form can be pressed.

Oh don't give out all the secrets now , Penny. Let her go hunt for it, since her path is finding the simplest solution to a complex problem.

And the simplest solution is that he bought different batches, each had different substances in them, and after trying them, he put them in different bottles based on their effectiveness.

The fact that one of the bottles, #114, were all marked the same but had different ingredients (two were only lidocaine, one contained hydrocodone only) shows that it would have been easy to mix the pills up since they all looked the same, essentially, were marked the same, and would have been a risk that Prince would not have taken if he had designed them himself.

Menes said:

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

benni said:

I also found this:

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.


The autopsy report also shows Prince had diazepam, lidocaine and hydrocodone acids in his body, the official said. Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium. It's a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child. Lidocaine is a local anesthetic.


Now this report may have not known that lidocaine could be added as a cutting agent to illicit pills, but in this report they mentioned "local anesthetic" which indicates a topical agent, not an ingested one.

Benni, the valium came from Dr. S as part of a withdrawel protocol. Nothing to do with seizures as he wasn't suffering from seizures.

I'm sorry Benni, but you need to read the documents and the findings.

Penny, those were taken from the news reports that came out. I know the news aren't always accurate, but they were merely pointing out that it was also used for seizures. That is what the reporter was surmising, not what the official told them.