muchtoofast said: What exactly is being “investigated” here? Is it: was it murder, suicide, or accidental overdose? Talking about “I don’t understand this or I don’t understand that” is not an investigation, but I guess it can be a form of therapy if you get enough people to state they also wonder these things. Maybe they would let you have a thread where feelings can be discussed because the official files can’t be disputed or changed. Back so soon? Fast reader... We are discussing the investigation, not doing an investigation. How about you just not worry about why people are on this thread, because it's really none of your business! | |
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And the next person who gets on here and implies Prince was a coke head almost 30 years ago because their 19 year old friend said so is gonna get a serious side eye, especially if they have invested a couple years of teasing about Prince’s sex life. She doesn’t know anything about him but how he was in bed WITH HER. And even that is a big maybe because like I said yesterday, she could be a farmer in Idaho. And bringing in Mayte, and implying she also did coke (and remember CatB was seeing Prince while Mayte was pregnant) is she implying Mayte did coke while she was pregnant? That ain’t gonna fly with me and I’ll always call her out on that. | |
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benni said: Here is someone high on Fentanyl (as given to him in the hospital). And y'all want to say that this is how Prince spent his time. This is sad and yes is true. But there are people out there that can be highly functioning on Fenantyl and add'l pain pills on top of that once their tolerance builds up. Also body chemistry plays a factor, we all can metabolize and process chemicals and substances in different ways. On page 13/post 386 and page 15/posts 427-428, I stated my friends story while he was on the Fenantyl patch (125mcg highest dose) and Dilaudid pain pill(8mg, high dose). He was really high functioning on this pain relief cocktail and was able to work, until they started to not work as well and he needed more and more. It is possible to control the doses of Fentanyl and pain pills for your body chemistry in order to be high functioning, not sleepy and very alert. People can do this for years and years every persons tolerance in my opinion is different. The issues comes in when the patch and pills stop helping and are not working so to speak, so the person abuses and take more pills or looks for stronger stuff. "A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince | |
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I don't think anybody is lying just to lie. I don't think he was on fentanyl and went back down to hydro. I think he was on hydro, then the morphone, then the fentanyl. His UA from the day before showed hydro and morphone in it. But yet there is no record of them finding morphone at PP. If you are referencing what Dr. D said. My thoughts on that is that Prince dabbled on and off for years and he's been on the hydro since his surgery. I personally don't think that Prince had been on drugs straight thru for 30 years. He has had several episodes of having Od's which confirms to me, that he had used in the past. Militant even confirmed that he had an episode in 2010/2011 time frame. (Post 717) I don't recall anybody saying he went from fent. back down to hydro. | |
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muchtoofast said: What exactly is being “investigated” here? Is it: was it murder, suicide, or accidental overdose? Talking about “I don’t understand this or I don’t understand that” is not an investigation, but I guess it can be a form of therapy if you get enough people to state they also wonder these things. Maybe they would let you have a thread where feelings can be discussed because the official files can’t be disputed or changed. Supposedly people with questions are supposed to be bouncing ideas off each other and exchanging information they have. But it always devolves into the "loom at me" brigade. Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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Camileyun said: muchtoofast said: What exactly is being “investigated” here? Is it: was it murder, suicide, or accidental overdose? Talking about “I don’t understand this or I don’t understand that” is not an investigation, but I guess it can be a form of therapy if you get enough people to state they also wonder these things. Maybe they would let you have a thread where feelings can be discussed because the official files can’t be disputed or changed. Back so soon? Fast reader... We are discussing the investigation, not doing an investigation. How about you just not worry about why people are on this thread, because it's really none of your business! You need to stop stalking me. | |
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Who are you accusing of having multiple accounts? You made the accusation now you follow up on it. You are 1 of the ones who continuously come on here to stir the pot. You have nothing to add to the convo, but are on this thread to stir the pot.
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paulludvig said: Camileyun said: I'm sure some of you are exhausted spending so much time posting from multiple accounts, practically having a conversation with yourself in order to validate your theory that Prince was a long time drug addict who had no legitimate reasons for medicating.[/quote Do you have someone in mind when you talk about the multiple accounts? Who ever said P did not have a legitimate reason (at least in his own mind) for medicating?. But let's put this in perspective...again. You don't know anymore than the rest of us, so can we just accept that everyone has the right to their own opinions and may voice that opinion without fear of being called a liar, annoying or anything else for that matter? (This last part is not being directed at you, Paul). A legitimate reason would be physical pain. Some of you seem to think that pain was not an issue in this case. Good point about opinions. Can we please put this thing to bed. No one denies P had pain throughout his life. He was one of the most active entertainers on the planet. He had to be in terrible pain to acquiesce to surgery on his hip. I'm sure he must've had hand pain, knee pain, whatever, and may have eventually had surgery on his other hip. Where some of us may differ is if the pain he was experiencing, post hip surgery, was enough to warrant taking such heavy narcotics. And it is OK not to agree on this point, because none of us were in his body to know for sure. All we can do is go by our own experiences in life to speculate on what may have been going on. | |
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That makes 2 of us Cami. | |
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That makes 3. | |
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muchtoofast said: Camileyun said: Back so soon? Fast reader... We are discussing the investigation, not doing an investigation. How about you just not worry about why people are on this thread, because it's really none of your business! You need to stop stalking me. Ha, that's rich...okey doke, you got it!! | |
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PennyPurple said:
I don't think anybody is lying just to lie. I don't think he was on fentanyl and went back down to hydro. I think he was on hydro, then the morphone, then the fentanyl. His UA from the day before showed hydro and morphone in it. But yet there is no record of them finding morphone at PP. If you are referencing what Dr. D said. My thoughts on that is that Prince dabbled on and off for years and he's been on the hydro since his surgery. I personally don't think that Prince had been on drugs straight thru for 30 years. He has had several episodes of having Od's which confirms to me, that he had used in the past. Militant even confirmed that he had an episode in 2010/2011 time frame. (Post 717) I don't recall anybody saying he went from fent. back down to hydro. But I do. And it used to be standard in these parts to call someone to carpet for spouting anything and everything. Folks got tore a new one when they couldn't provide back-up to what they said. Now it's nobody has to take responsibility for they say, its just pet me because I feel bad and sad. I never said anything about 30 years straight I asked several times how anyone reasons how an addict goes from something extremely strong to something so much more weaker. That makes absolutely no sense. Addicts tend to need to increase potency to keep getting the same effects. Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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PennyPurple said:
That makes 2 of us Cami. Or 1 [Edited 8/5/18 10:18am] The wooh is on the one! | |
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Umm...you might want to check your facts again. They weren't having an affair while Mayte was pregnant. Whomever you have been listening to, evidently doesn't know the facts. She never said Mayte did coke while she was pregnant either. And I'm reporting you. | |
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onlyforaminute said: muchtoofast said: What exactly is being “investigated” here? Is it: was it murder, suicide, or accidental overdose? Talking about “I don’t understand this or I don’t understand that” is not an investigation, but I guess it can be a form of therapy if you get enough people to state they also wonder these things. Maybe they would let you have a thread where feelings can be discussed because the official files can’t be disputed or changed. Supposedly people with questions are supposed to be bouncing ideas off each other and exchanging information they have. But it always devolves into the "loom at me" brigade. Yes thank you, I guess some folks are having trouble believing his death was really an accident. I just wish the discussion didn’t include snark and arrogance. People can scroll past a post that makes them feel like they are doing all the work, they don’t have to be a martyr. | |
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That makes 3. The "ayes" have it! | |
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PennyPurple said:
No, the problem arises when old posters get pissed because new posters post what they don't like. If you don't like what a poster writes, you look at their join date and then 1. Accuse them of not being a hardcore fan. 2. Accuse them of having double accounts.
The problem arises when people new to the site become fixated on a certain narrative for Prince's death and open multiple accounts in an attempt to falsely popularise their view. It is a little odd don't you think, to newly join this site and be obviously unfamilar with Prince's life, but to become morbidly obsessed with his demise and presenting the narrative in a certain manner? You and those that agree with you repeatedly mentioned the tabloid 'Dr D' and 'stage fright' not me. If you mention it as a theory, expect it to be addressed. I already know Benni under another name as a long-time user of this site, hence why I didn't draw attention to her joining date. I'm certainly glad I enjoyed and appreciated Prince's music and career and went along for the ride during his lifetime. | |
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Soshine, I am so sorry for your loss. Something must be done...we are losing too many wonderful people to this stuff. Please accept my condolences. | |
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muchtoofast said: onlyforaminute said: Supposedly people with questions are supposed to be bouncing ideas off each other and exchanging information they have. But it always devolves into the "loom at me" brigade. Yes thank you, I guess some folks are having trouble believing his death was really an accident. I just wish the discussion didn’t include snark and arrogance. People can scroll past a post that makes them feel like they are doing all the work, they don’t have to be a martyr. Well that works in all ways but conversation doesn't work without a certain type of exchange it just ends up in name calling . Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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PennyPurple said:
Umm...you might want to check your facts again. They weren't having an affair while Mayte was pregnant. Whomever you have been listening to, evidently doesn't know the facts. She never said Mayte did coke while she was pregnant either. And I'm reporting you. If she wants to discuss Prince’s alleged coke use 30 years ago it MIGHT be relevant to this discussion, Mayte’s is not. | |
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Says the person who called Cat an asshat. | |
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If you think someone has multiple accounts then report them to the mod. and let the mod handle it. I don't know who you are referencing but do know the mods can find out pretty fast. And if it's me you are referencing I honestly don't know how I could keep up with 2 accounts on here for as much as I post. | |
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OperatingThetan said: PennyPurple said:
No, the problem arises when old posters get pissed because new posters post what they don't like. If you don't like what a poster writes, you look at their join date and then 1. Accuse them of not being a hardcore fan. 2. Accuse them of having double accounts.
The problem arises when people new to the site become fixated on a certain narrative for Prince's death and open multiple accounts in an attempt to falsely popularise their view. It is a little odd don't you think, to newly join this site and be obviously unfamilar with Prince's life, but to become morbidly obsessed with his demise and presenting the narrative in a certain manner? You and those that agree with you repeatedly mentioned the tabloid 'Dr D' and 'stage fright' not me. If you mention it as a theory, expect it to be addressed. I already know Benni under another name as a long-time user of this site, hence why I didn't draw attention to her joining date. I'm certainly glad I enjoyed and appreciated Prince's music and career and went along for the ride during his lifetime. And I'm glad I wasn't on this site when he was alive and reading all the disrespectful, mean, nasty things said about him and his music and career! I'd hate to think I, in any small way, ever contributed to distressing him. But that's just me. | |
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With all due respect, the conclusions we have come to are speculation but also the result of reading all the files and discussing, debating and disagreeing with one another over a long period of time on this thread. We have not always agreed but over time, certain likely "truths" have resulted. Also,I do not think any of us are certain about whether he died accidentally or not. I feel we have been very fair and this is why I ask everyone to read the previous threads and the investigative files so you can see our process. It is transparent. No one has an agenda but it take time and work.
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Amen Cami. They even found records on his computer showing he was on the org frequently. | |
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Camileyun said: OperatingThetan said: Agreed. The problem arises because, with all due respect, many of these posters only joined prince.org after Prince's death and were only very casual fans prior to that, if at all. They simply lack awareness of his character and history. For example, nobody who actually saw Prince live at a venue (not recordings or TV appearances on YouTube) and then performing non-obligatory extended aftershows would give any credence to the allegation that Prince suffered from 'stage fright'. Someone simply doesn't play unnecessarily for hours at 2am to small crowds in nightclubs (and often with a very reasonable cover price) if they're anxious about performing. It's not as if cash was a major influence either - in London in 2014 he played several small clubs for just £10. I was fortunate enough to have been at two of those (including the Shepherd's Bush show) and it's likely he barely broke even in terms of costs. And that's not even considering the number of times he opened his home for shows at short notice, when he had nothing to promote whatsoever. Really, that's where the problem arises? I must have missed the memo that said if you are a fan of P, you must join prince.org, or you're just a casual fan at best. Prince fan-snobbery...I love it. If you believe the whole of P fans are on this site, then you believe his fan base is quite small. To your second point, he was able to do all that because he was probably on drugs!!! Yuu joined in May 2018 and have made 369 posts out of 369 posts about Prince's death. Argument over. If you want me to post all the suspect accounts here with a recent join date that post exclusively on Prince death investigation threads, please continue. I think people would find it a real eye-opener. I'm not certain exactly what the agenda is, but these death investigation threads are little more than a macabre sham and are very suspect, to say the least. * [Edited 8/5/18 10:38am] | |
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ThatWhiteDude said:
Says the person who called Cat an asshat. Then Cat is faking who she says she is because what I said is that anyone faking their relationship with Prince to tell lies to fans is an assho**. If anyone can think I called Cat an assho** knows she really has been lying about who she is and in that case I don't care how anybody feels about it. I'm stanning for Prince not them. She only got called to carpet and decided to run instead that says all I really need to know. Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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I hope the finger doesn't bother you. But then again, I don't care how you feel about it. | |
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ThatWhiteDude said:
I hope the finger doesn't bother you. But then again, I don't care how you feel about it. Not in the slightest. If that's all you got to say to address the issue on the table then so be it. I'm still here to stand for Prince on a Prince fansite. I dont understand how that's so hard to grasp. Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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