sonshine said:

Will pray for the repose of her soul. Sorry for your loss.

Here's the deal. I don't know what I think about Dr. D. But his statements about diluadid, fentanyl, large stacks of petty cash, social anxiety and Coachella are hard for me to ignore. Keep in mind that he mentioned Fentanyl and dilaudid 5 days after Prince's death, more than 2 months before his toxicity report was released. Now, there is a possibility that this dude knew someone who knew P's problems and then he threw himself into the narrative. Or its possible that Dr. D only dealt to Prince or his people at Coachella in 2008. But there is also a possibility that he is telling the truth. However, if he is telling the truth, I do believe that Prince was a high functioning user. I don't think he used it for recreational purposes, but to work..which is exactly what the dude said. Dr. D. does not describe Prince as a self-indulgent man but only one who was trying to deal with some hangups that kept him from working to his fullest capacity. The drugs don't define Prince's talent, personality or explain away all his eccentricitles. They may explain some behavior that even he wasn't able to make excuses for..maybe.they may have exasperated some tendencies like paranoia.. Also, I do think prince had a great deal of physical pain that some people are playing down on this board. And that physical pain may have been difficult to combat because of previous usage and a degree of tolerence. His small size would probably indicate that less pills would do the trick. But women are addicted to some pills too..I think the addiction probably got worse as the pain got worse and decreased when he was feeling better..,but I think he remained a high functioning addict (with a degree of self controll facilitated by his real addiction which was music) until up to nearly the end. I think fentanyl was a mistake at least at first in Molene--either he didn't know he had bought counterfit fentanyl or he didn't know how much was in the pill. However, I am inclined to think he knew it was counterfit and that it was stronger than the percocet. It wouldn't make sense to hide hydrocodone and buy it illegally if you are getting the stronger percocet from a doctor. I think the last couple years of his life the addiction got more powerful. I think the last 6 months it was almost consuming him..It was like memoir wriitng, piano and pills were mostly on his mind. I do think he was sober basically during his concerts--if he took anything it wasn't much. I don't know if it was suicide on the 21st...sometimes I am inclined to think it was.

onlyforaminute said:

SkipperLove said:

We (for once...LOL) are in agreement here. I think it was both planned and the result of nervousness. I am starting to think more and more that P's public eccentricity was really just nervousness in disguise. Dez and Andre said it was planned. But others who knew Prince said that Prince told them it was nervousness. Ruth Arzate and Morris Hayes both said they discovered over time that some of Prince's OCD-like behavior and brooding distance before performances was really just nervousness before going out on stage. Stage fright comes and goes for people. I imagine some performances were nerve-free and other ones were completely nerve racking. After shows are casual, unfilmed and not obligatory--so therfore probably less stressful.

But I am sure things like the superbowl or natural broadcasts were a bit more stressful.

In the early days, Prince made the decision to be shocking on stage, this would take courage so I am sure he (like most human beings doing something outrageous and shocking in public) got nervous.

We can't ignore the fact that some of his early managers and contributors described a really skittish young man in the mid 1970's. I remember his music teacher stating that he was shocked that the flamboyant, sexually provokative extrovert he saw on stage was the same introverted kid he knew in high school. I reckon that his nerves decreased eventually but never entirely went away.

I kind of had hopes for you but naw nevermind. If getting nervous is your evidence that Dr. D is some legit source then your hopeless. A 130 pound Prince couldn't have been self dosing on fentanyl back in the 80s due to stage fright. But keeps overdosing on weaker hydro in the 90s. I really can't wait to see how this gets twisted around to insist that Dr D is a legit source. Especially given the countless interviews from all kinds of celebrities who say they get nervous. They all must be popping fentanyl to fix it. It's hilarious. [Edited 8/4/18 13:59pm]

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peggyon said:

He needed 4 mg of narcan because of the insane amount of fentanyl he ingested. His tolerance level was irrelevant. Left untreated no one would have survived the level he ingested and I think that because of what we do know about those pills.
From his toxicology report:
The report says the concentration of fentanyl in Prince’s blood was 67.8 micrograms per liter. The report explains that fatalities have been documented in people with blood levels ranging from three to 58 micrograms per liter.

The report also says the level of fentanyl in Prince’s liver was 450 micrograms per kilogram, and notes that liver concentrations greater than 69 micrograms per kilogram “seem to represent overdose or fatal toxicity cases.”

I don’t know if a blood test after the plane incident would show a fentanyl level? But I think we know each pill had enough fentanyl to kill 4 elephants so a tolerance level is irrelevant IN HIS CASE.
[Edited 8/4/18 19:42pm]
[Edited 8/4/18 19:48pm]

peggyon said:

onlyforaminute said:

Camileyun said: Then stop watching it. Pretty simple solution. It's not like it the life of the Kardashians.

Hi Only-I really want to reassure you that the great majoity of folks on this thread have good intentions. There is a need, I feel (myself included) to just get to know the real Prince; peek behind the curtain. There is no harm.

We may be the "psychologists"...only attempting to understand, not "Kardashianize" him.

If you want to get to know the real Prince, then you listen to his music, watch his videos, watch his interviews. His death is not going to give you a real peek into Prince. It will give you conjecture. Was Prince a long term user? It depends upon who you ask. Was Prince addicted? It depends upon who you ask. Ever see Prince onstage stoned out of his mind? Nope, I haven't, anyone else? The idea that you can get to know Prince by reading an investigation done by investigators, and reading the investigative interviews of people that may or may not be hiding something, may or may not have something they want to protect and keep secret, who may or may not be telling the truth, will not let you know who Prince is. If you are reading the investigation files, you may think it gives you a peek into his world, but it doesn't, not really. It gives you a peek into the investigative process, the kinds of questions the interviewer asked of people that Prince may or may not have shared certain things with them. The investigation is only about what Prince left behind and the manner of his death. It does NOT tell you about Prince's life, except for the tidbits that individuals shared which were based on their perception of those events. So you get to know them, but not Prince.

benni said:

peggyon said:

Hi Only-I really want to reassure you that the great majoity of folks on this thread have good intentions. There is a need, I feel (myself included) to just get to know the real Prince; peek behind the curtain. There is no harm.

We may be the "psychologists"...only attempting to understand, not "Kardashianize" him.

If you want to get to know the real Prince, then you listen to his music, watch his videos, watch his interviews. His death is not going to give you a real peek into Prince. It will give you conjecture. Was Prince a long term user? It depends upon who you ask. Was Prince addicted? It depends upon who you ask. Ever see Prince onstage stoned out of his mind? Nope, I haven't, anyone else? The idea that you can get to know Prince by reading an investigation done by investigators, and reading the investigative interviews of people that may or may not be hiding something, may or may not have something they want to protect and keep secret, who may or may not be telling the truth, will not let you know who Prince is. If you are reading the investigation files, you may think it gives you a peek into his world, but it doesn't, not really. It gives you a peek into the investigative process, the kinds of questions the interviewer asked of people that Prince may or may not have shared certain things with them. The investigation is only about what Prince left behind and the manner of his death. It does NOT tell you about Prince's life, except for the tidbits that individuals shared which were based on their perception of those events. So you get to know them, but not Prince.

Thanks for your perspective, it just isn't mine. I do look at the videos, listen to his music and interviews as I am certain most of the folks on this thread do. This is one additional thing I do as well.

I find it somewhat annoying that you would need to say this to me as I have not critiqued your experience of Prince. I know this thread triggers some folks but I will say once again, that we all love him and are trying our best to fill in some gaps. I am naturally a talker and sharer and this is how I heal. Please honor that. Thank you.

[Edited 8/4/18 20:00pm]

Unfortunately because the reports focus on only dragging out details that may lead investigators into understanding how he got his drugs, we are getting a side of prince's life but not the entirety of it. This report, like I said, does not encapsulate his life. Its a side. It is maybe one of his personalities (and not even completely that.) The files should be read alongside Prince's words, other people's accounts, Prince's music etc...but all of that should be read or examined with a grain of salt--since people essentially are a bit self serving when they talk about another's life. The reports are a confusing piece of a big puzzle. Prince had many pieces that we can only partially reconcile and understand. But like you said, the music is what he dreamed, imagined, felt, wanted to feel, what he was and what he wanted to be. We can't forget the music, the work, the nighttime conversations with friends, the humorous antecdoes, the words of the man himself. They are part of the puzzle as well.

benni said:

peggyon said:

Hi Only-I really want to reassure you that the great majoity of folks on this thread have good intentions. There is a need, I feel (myself included) to just get to know the real Prince; peek behind the curtain. There is no harm.

We may be the "psychologists"...only attempting to understand, not "Kardashianize" him.

If you want to get to know the real Prince, then you listen to his music, watch his videos, watch his interviews. His death is not going to give you a real peek into Prince. It will give you conjecture. Was Prince a long term user? It depends upon who you ask. Was Prince addicted? It depends upon who you ask. Ever see Prince onstage stoned out of his mind? Nope, I haven't, anyone else? The idea that you can get to know Prince by reading an investigation done by investigators, and reading the investigative interviews of people that may or may not be hiding something, may or may not have something they want to protect and keep secret, who may or may not be telling the truth, will not let you know who Prince is. If you are reading the investigation files, you may think it gives you a peek into his world, but it doesn't, not really. It gives you a peek into the investigative process, the kinds of questions the interviewer asked of people that Prince may or may not have shared certain things with them. The investigation is only about what Prince left behind and the manner of his death. It does NOT tell you about Prince's life, except for the tidbits that individuals shared which were based on their perception of those events. So you get to know them, but not Prince.

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peggyon said:

muchtoofast said:

paintedlady said: he died because he ingested a poison level of fentanyl, not because he had built up a tolerance level. His tolerance level is irrelevant. The poison level could have been in one pill.

When he landed in Moline it took 4 mg of IV Narcan to bring him back, That is twice the dose a hard-core opiate addict requires. His tolerance was off- the -chart in Moline. Tolerance is everything

Please read the investigative files. I'm going off duty

Opioid Overdose-Known or Suspected: An initial dose of 0.4 mg to 2 mg of NARCAN (naloxone) may be administered intravenously. If the desired degree of counteraction and improvement in respiratory functions are not obtained, it may be repeated at two- to three-minute intervals. If no response is observed after 10 mg of NARCAN (naloxone) have been administered, the diagnosis of opioid-induced or partial opioid-induced toxicity should be questioned. Intramuscular or subcutaneous administration may be necessary if the intravenous route is not available.

Comments:
-IV route is recommended in emergency situations since it has the most rapid onset of action.
-The duration of action of some opioids exceed that of this drug, therefore, repeat doses may be needed; the need for repeat doses will depend on the amount, type, and route of administration of the opioid being antagonized.
-Patients should remain under continued surveillance; if a patients responds and relapses back into respiratory depression, additional doses should be given.
-Additional supportive and/or resuscitative measures may be helpful while awaiting emergency medical assistance.

Use: For the emergency treatment of known or suspected opioid overdose as manifested by respiratory and/or central nervous system depression.

sonshine said:

A bit off- topic so forgive me, but just received heartbreaking news that my cousin died of an overdose yesterday. She got hooked on pain pills years ago and had turned to street drugs somewhere along the way. Rehab more than once. The sweetest, kindest, "good" girl you could imagine. Please pray for my aunt and the rest of her family if you are the praying type. Thank you. I guess this is why i have never judged Prince, or questioned whether he was a fraud. The struggle is real. I have only compassion for anyone dealing with addiction. And i must add i'm grateful for the fact my cousin was not famous and relieved her death won't be speculated about and discussed for years on a public forum. I can't even imagine how painful that would be for her loved ones. [Edited 8/4/18 15:25pm]

I am so sorry for your loss, sonshine. That's never easy to go through. My prayers are with you, her mom, and your family. Please let us know if your aunt needs anything.

You wouldn’t say, after a fatal car accident that someone died because he drove a car. It’s the accident that killed someone, not the driving.

Prince didn’t die because he was a drug addict, he died because of the “accident” someone had when they mixed these pills wrong.

And he didn’t have these pills mixed to his own specifications because if he had, why would he need a hundred of them? Each one could kill 4 elephants. This was not suicide, and don’t forget he was just hours away from getting help. So don’t give up on him, don’t be mad at him, this was an accident.

muchtoofast said:

You wouldn’t say, after a fatal car accident that someone died because he drove a car. It’s the accident that killed someone, not the driving. Prince didn’t die because he was a drug addict, he died because of the “accident” someone had when they mixed these pills wrong. And he didn’t have these pills mixed to his own specifications because if he had, why would he need a hundred of them? Each one could kill 4 elephants. This was not suicide, and don’t forget he was just hours away from getting help. So don’t give up on him, don’t be mad at him, this was an accident.

Why were the pills seperated?

benni said:

But I think we know each pill had enough fentanyl to kill 4 elephants so a tolerance level is irrelevant IN HIS CASE.
[Edited 8/4/18 19:42pm]

SkipperLove said:

Since Prince's passing, Chaka and her sister went into rehab due to fentanyl addiction, Tom Petty died of fentanyl overdose. Over the past few years there have been reports of these new fentanyl laced pills hitting the streets killing folks left and right. I dont think it's takes much to figure a dope dealer could just make a good guess given the environment. The tip off is WHEN Prince was supposedly purposely taking fentanyl. Understanding the potency of fentanyl there is no way he'd of survived 30 years self medicating on that stuff. I mean if Prince did a album every 15 years and did a handful of touring in that time, maybe and that's a big maybe, self medicating might have been able to be stretched out that long, but not on HIS schedule.

peggyon said:

benni said:

If you want to get to know the real Prince, then you listen to his music, watch his videos, watch his interviews. His death is not going to give you a real peek into Prince. It will give you conjecture. Was Prince a long term user? It depends upon who you ask. Was Prince addicted? It depends upon who you ask. Ever see Prince onstage stoned out of his mind? Nope, I haven't, anyone else? The idea that you can get to know Prince by reading an investigation done by investigators, and reading the investigative interviews of people that may or may not be hiding something, may or may not have something they want to protect and keep secret, who may or may not be telling the truth, will not let you know who Prince is. If you are reading the investigation files, you may think it gives you a peek into his world, but it doesn't, not really. It gives you a peek into the investigative process, the kinds of questions the interviewer asked of people that Prince may or may not have shared certain things with them. The investigation is only about what Prince left behind and the manner of his death. It does NOT tell you about Prince's life, except for the tidbits that individuals shared which were based on their perception of those events. So you get to know them, but not Prince.

Thanks for your perspective, it just isn't mine. I do look at the videos, listen to his music and interviews as I am certain most of the folks on this thread do. This is one additional thing I do as well.

I find it somewhat annoying that you would need to say this to me as I have not critiqued your experience of Prince. I know this thread triggers some folks but I will say once again, that we all love him and are trying our best to fill in some gaps. I am naturally a talker and sharer and this is how I heal. Please honor that. Thank you.

[Edited 8/4/18 20:00pm]

I am not critiquing your experience of Prince at all. I was commenting on your statement that "There is a need, I feel (myself included) to just get to know the real Prince; peek behind the curtain." The real Prince isn't in his death, the real Prince was in his life. If you want to read the investigations, that's fine. I'm just saying that the investigation is not where you'll find the real Prince. You may find out some tidbits about him. You may discover he had problems with his health, with pain, with shyness, with whatever....but the real Prince is in his music. Everything about the investigation is dependent upon the information that is provided to them from others, what they "surmise" from the information they gathered. It's not based upon who Prince was every day, how he felt when he held a guitar in his hands, what he thought when he heard the fans screaming his name, it doesn't tell you anything about WHO Prince was really. It just gives you bits and pieces. That is all I am saying. I never once criticized your experience of Prince, because this isn't experiencing Prince, this is looking at his manner of death and debating what you think vs what others think.

PennyPurple said:

Separated.

muchtoofast said:

benni said:

Opioid Overdose-Known or Suspected: An initial dose of 0.4 mg to 2 mg of NARCAN (naloxone) may be administered intravenously. If the desired degree of counteraction and improvement in respiratory functions are not obtained, it may be repeated at two- to three-minute intervals. If no response is observed after 10 mg of NARCAN (naloxone) have been administered, the diagnosis of opioid-induced or partial opioid-induced toxicity should be questioned. Intramuscular or subcutaneous administration may be necessary if the intravenous route is not available.

Comments:
-IV route is recommended in emergency situations since it has the most rapid onset of action.
-The duration of action of some opioids exceed that of this drug, therefore, repeat doses may be needed; the need for repeat doses will depend on the amount, type, and route of administration of the opioid being antagonized.
-Patients should remain under continued surveillance; if a patients responds and relapses back into respiratory depression, additional doses should be given.
-Additional supportive and/or resuscitative measures may be helpful while awaiting emergency medical assistance.

Use: For the emergency treatment of known or suspected opioid overdose as manifested by respiratory and/or central nervous system depression.

For known or suspected opiate agonist overdose (full reversal).

Intermittent Intravenous, Intramuscular, Subcutaneous, or Intraosseous† dosage (standard syringe)

Adults

0.4 to 2 mg IV, IM, or subcutaneously, up to a total dose of 10 mg; doses may be repeated every 2 to 3 minutes, as needed. In emergency settings, clinical practice guidelines recommend 0.4 to 2 mg IV; alternatively, 0.4 to 0.8 mg may be given by IM or subcutaneous injection if systemic perfusion is adequate. Repeat doses as needed to attain desired response. Some opiate overdoses may require titration to a total naloxone dose of 6 to 10 mg over a short period; for patients with chronic opioid addiction, use smaller doses and titrate slowly to minimize cardiovascular adverse effects and withdrawal symptoms. There is no good evidence to suggest that naloxone improves outcome in patients with opioid-induced cardiac arrest. Thus, once arrest has occurred, airway control is a priority before administration of naloxone. If there is no significant clinical response after administering a total dosage of 10 mg, the diagnosis of narcotic-induced depression should be questioned.

But I think we know each pill had enough fentanyl to kill 4 elephants so a tolerance level is irrelevant IN HIS CASE. [Edited 8/4/18 19:42pm]

Right. And there is nothing in there about tolerance at all. What was interesting to me was that it stated, "The duration of action of some opioids exceed that of this drug, therefore, repeat doses may be needed; the need for repeat doses will depend on the amount, type, and route of administration of the opioid being antagonized." So essentially, the type of drug can impact the need for repeated doses. Not an individuals tolerance to that drug, but how much they took and whether the drug's duraction of action exceeded the Narcan's ability to be effective.

muchtoofast said:

But I think we know each pill had enough fentanyl to kill 4 elephants so a tolerance level is irrelevant IN HIS CASE.

Its not irrelevant.

His autopsy showed Oxy (Perc's) and Hydro (Vicodin) in his urine. Which means P took these pills and they were not doing the job for him = Tolerance level.

So then Prince went to the Bayer bottle which contained the stronger Fentanyl to take because he knew they were stronger than the Oxy and Hydro.

Or... Prince took the pills from the Bayer bottle because he knew it would end his life.

[Edited 8/4/18 20:40pm]

muchtoofast said:

PennyPurple said:

Why were the pills seperated?

Separated.

No answer?

muchtoofast said:

Well I think if Prince wasn't having a drug abuse problem he'd have had no problem seeing a physician, getting a prescription and going to any number of certified pharmacies spread out all over the world. We got pictures of him at Walgreens I think we can assume he knew where one was. Those pills were stamped as Vicodin the most commonly prescribed opioid in America. Not that hard to access especially for a pretty freakin rich superstar. If you drive your car full speed down the opposite direction on the freeway your chances of having an accident increase many many times. One may not know they're driving on the wrong side but it doesn't change the stats of total destruction. I think that's what his core fans are grappling with. I am. WTF.

benni said:

peggyon said:

Thanks for your perspective, it just isn't mine. I do look at the videos, listen to his music and interviews as I am certain most of the folks on this thread do. This is one additional thing I do as well.

I find it somewhat annoying that you would need to say this to me as I have not critiqued your experience of Prince. I know this thread triggers some folks but I will say once again, that we all love him and are trying our best to fill in some gaps. I am naturally a talker and sharer and this is how I heal. Please honor that. Thank you.

[Edited 8/4/18 20:00pm]

I am not critiquing your experience of Prince at all. I was commenting on your statement that "There is a need, I feel (myself included) to just get to know the real Prince; peek behind the curtain." The real Prince isn't in his death, the real Prince was in his life. If you want to read the investigations, that's fine. I'm just saying that the investigation is not where you'll find the real Prince. You may find out some tidbits about him. You may discover he had problems with his health, with pain, with shyness, with whatever....but the real Prince is in his music. Everything about the investigation is dependent upon the information that is provided to them from others, what they "surmise" from the information they gathered. It's not based upon who Prince was every day, how he felt when he held a guitar in his hands, what he thought when he heard the fans screaming his name, it doesn't tell you anything about WHO Prince was really. It just gives you bits and pieces. That is all I am saying. I never once criticized your experience of Prince, because this isn't experiencing Prince, this is looking at his manner of death and debating what you think vs what others think.

Yes, it can be a very circuitous path to take. We have disagreements, debates etc., but I feel I have learned quite a bit and have changed my opinion on a few matters. There is movement.

I am an investigative person at heart. Bits and pieces start to make larger pieces.

I say let's live and let live.

onlyforaminute said:

muchtoofast said:

You wouldn’t say, after a fatal car accident that someone died because he drove a car. It’s the accident that killed someone, not the driving. Prince didn’t die because he was a drug addict, he died because of the “accident” someone had when they mixed these pills wrong. And he didn’t have these pills mixed to his own specifications because if he had, why would he need a hundred of them? Each one could kill 4 elephants. This was not suicide, and don’t forget he was just hours away from getting help. So don’t give up on him, don’t be mad at him, this was an accident.

Well I think if Prince wasn't having a drug abuse problem he'd have had no problem seeing a physician, getting a prescription and going to any number of certified pharmacies spread out all over the world. We got pictures of him at Walgreens I think we can assume he knew where one was. Those pills were stamped as Vicodin the most commonly prescribed opioid in America. Not that hard to access especially for a pretty freakin rich superstar. If you drive your car full speed down the opposite direction on the freeway your chances of having an accident increase many many times. One may not know they're driving on the wrong side but it doesn't change the stats of total destruction. I think that's what his core fans are grappling with. I am. WTF.

Amen!

onlyforaminute said:

Since Prince's passing, Chaka and her sister went into rehab due to fentanyl addiction, Tom Petty died of fentanyl overdose. Over the past few years there have been reports of these new fentanyl laced pills hitting the streets killing folks left and right. I dont think it's takes much to figure a dope dealer could just make a good guess given the environment. The tip off is WHEN Prince was supposedly purposely taking fentanyl. Understanding the potency of fentanyl there is no way he'd of survived 30 years self medicating on that stuff. I mean if Prince did a album every 15 years and did a handful of touring in that time, maybe and that's a big maybe, self medicating might have been able to be stretched out that long, but not on HIS schedule.

Who has said he was doing it for 30 years straight?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

muchtoofast said:

But I think we know each pill had enough fentanyl to kill 4 elephants so a tolerance level is irrelevant IN HIS CASE.

Its not irrelevant.

His autopsy showed Oxy (Perc's) and Hydro (Vicodin) in his urine. Which means P took these pills and they were not doing the job for him = Tolerance level.

So then Prince went to the Bayer bottle which contained the stronger Fentanyl to take because he knew they were stronger than the Oxy and Hydro.

Or... Prince took the pills from the Bayer bottle because he knew it would end his life.

[Edited 8/4/18 20:40pm]

Or the pills in the Bayer contained either Oxy or Hydro (can't remember which it was mixed with), and that is what he thought he was taking, when the other didn't help his pain. It could be that he put what he thought were the stronger pills into the Bayer bottle, so he'd know it contained the stronger pills.

The one thing that everyone keeps forgetting is that Minne had a really bad influx of counterfeit opioids in 2016. Even a lot of the people that were selling the drugs didn't know they had fentanyl in them.


http://www.fox9.com/news/...ion-crisis

PennyPurple said:

Smart move but if he's taking it because of stage fright given his work schedule being on stage so much, and a drug dealer claiming he knows he died of fentanyl overdose because he had been supplying him for years starting back in the 80s. Reading the literature knowing one becomes addicted in just a couple of weeks on opioids. Knowing he was having issues with just taking anything with a far lesser strength in later years. Knowing that the pills found in his possession were marked as Vicodin, Knowing addicts don't increase their addiction going towards weaker drugs. Knowing that fentanyl is the very top of the opioid chain. Then the idea that Prince got addicted to fentanyl in his 20s yet switched to illegal Hydro later, taking everything into consideration, is just plan dumb.

I like how the game is to pick my brain on how much I know on this case but in order to know if what I know is correct then one would have to know this information themselves. I love it. Keep it coming.

PennyPurple said:

onlyforaminute said:

Since Prince's passing, Chaka and her sister went into rehab due to fentanyl addiction, Tom Petty died of fentanyl overdose. Over the past few years there have been reports of these new fentanyl laced pills hitting the streets killing folks left and right. I dont think it's takes much to figure a dope dealer could just make a good guess given the environment. The tip off is WHEN Prince was supposedly purposely taking fentanyl. Understanding the potency of fentanyl there is no way he'd of survived 30 years self medicating on that stuff. I mean if Prince did a album every 15 years and did a handful of touring in that time, maybe and that's a big maybe, self medicating might have been able to be stretched out that long, but not on HIS schedule.

Who has said he was doing it for 30 years straight?

I agree. I think he weaned off/down intermittently. Also rumors of doing coke and Percocets

[Edited 8/4/18 21:15pm]

In March 2017, investigators sent 64.5 counterfeit Vicodin pills Prince stored in a Bayer aspirin bottle to the DEA's Chicago lab for testing. The DEA wanted to see if the illicit pills matched samples seized elsewhere around the country.

Kenneth Solek, assistant special agent in charge of the DEA's Twin Cities division, said Friday that the DEA looked for clues like binding and coloring agents or unique marks left behind by pill presses. DEA scientists also tried to find chemical impurities to see if they matched the "signature" of other seized pills, Solek said.

According to Carver County investigative records, a DEA investigator reported that Prince's death was the only one traced by the agency to a fentanyl pill in Minnesota in 2016. That year, fentanyl-related deaths in the state exceeded 100 for the first time, but investigators found most cases involved powdered fentanyl laced into other drugs like heroin or cocaine.

By July 2017, the DEA reported that it could not turn up any pills tested in its database with a similar composition to the ones found at Paisley Park. Authorities weren't surprised because "they are seeing these types of pills being mixed with whatever is around or whatever is easily available," a Carver County detective wrote.

www.startribune.com/those...480428763/

PennyPurple said:

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said: ?

Paul, I thought the question was pretty clear. If he had pain, why would he need to self medicate?

I'll spell it out. If he had pain why would he need to self medicate with opioids, that he didn't have a script for?

If a person is in such severe pain, what's the 1st thing that person will do?

1. Go to a Dr for help?

2. Buy drugs off the street?

I think that you can't use the phrase "self medicate" and not be a junky. Especially, it kills you.

It has been so awesome that people have shared their experiences. Mine includes loosing multiple family members to this issue.

I am not trying to instigatge. This feeling is very sad.

PennyPurple said:

In March 2017, investigators sent 64.5 counterfeit Vicodin pills Prince stored in a Bayer aspirin bottle to the DEA's Chicago lab for testing. The DEA wanted to see if the illicit pills matched samples seized elsewhere around the country.

Kenneth Solek, assistant special agent in charge of the DEA's Twin Cities division, said Friday that the DEA looked for clues like binding and coloring agents or unique marks left behind by pill presses. DEA scientists also tried to find chemical impurities to see if they matched the "signature" of other seized pills, Solek said.

According to Carver County investigative records, a DEA investigator reported that Prince's death was the only one traced by the agency to a fentanyl pill in Minnesota in 2016. That year, fentanyl-related deaths in the state exceeded 100 for the first time, but investigators found most cases involved powdered fentanyl laced into other drugs like heroin or cocaine.

By July 2017, the DEA reported that it could not turn up any pills tested in its database with a similar composition to the ones found at Paisley Park. Authorities weren't surprised because "they are seeing these types of pills being mixed with whatever is around or whatever is easily available," a Carver County detective wrote.

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And to add to this:


Long before Prince died of a fentanyl overdose, the Drug Enforcement Administration was preparing a document to share with law enforcement around the country. It was a warning. Weeks after Prince died, the document was published, and titled "Counterfeit Prescription Pills Containing Fentanyls: A Global Threat."

PennyPurple said:

I wonder why the authorities weren't surprised? Is it common for them to come across counterfeit pills that don't match what's in the database? Seems to me they would be surprised if it was rare for pills found don't match others in their database. Loads of questions.

onlyforaminute said:

PennyPurple said:

Who has said he was doing it for 30 years straight?

Smart move but if he's taking it because of stage fright given his work schedule being on stage so much, and a drug dealer claiming he knows he died of fentanyl overdose because he had been supplying him for years starting back in the 80s. Reading the literature knowing one becomes addicted in just a couple of weeks on opioids. Knowing he was having issues with just taking anything with a far lesser strength in later years. Knowing that the pills found in his possession were marked as Vicodin, Knowing addicts don't increase their addiction going towards weaker drugs. Knowing that fentanyl is the very top of the opioid chain. Then the idea that Prince got addicted to fentanyl in his 20s yet switched to illegal Hydro later, taking everything into consideration, is just plan dumb.

See I don't think he was addicted for 30 years. I think he used on and off for years. I think he has used since his hip surgery. One does become tolerant to the drugs, no matter what your size or weight is. After 6 years of being on the codone I feel he moved up to the morphone and onto the fentanyl.

Where are you getting that he switched to a weaker drug? The results show if anything he switched to a stronger drug. I didn't see anything in the paperwork if they found any of the pills had the morphone in them, but his UA from Dr. S office the day before had codene and morphone in it.