onlyforaminute said:

The thing is hydrocodone seems to have been, prior to 2014, considered a lower level legal opiod. I see that people are really working hard to try to insist that Prince was using recreationally. But I don't see how. Mayte was married to Prince in the 90s, he died of addiction in 2016, that's 20 years later still trying to get hydrocodone strength pills. Dr D. stated that Prince was using since the 80s, so now we are at 30 years ago. We all know for a fact that people develope a resistant to drug strengths after long term use. Addicts are not casual users, they tend to use frequently, if not daily. Opiods can cause addiction with as little as 2 weeks use, so it happens in no time at all. How does one remain getting the same high, if one is to assume it was all recreational, 20 to 30 years down the line with frequent use as an addict?

Sounds to me, it is highly possible he injured himself a long time ago, maybe the 90s. Nobody in the medical community was seriously checking for addiction problems with a low level opiod. I'm sure Prince was more trusting and assumed it was okay. That's when the addiction may have started, and along the way has had very long periods of going without the pill. Therefore his body never developed a high tolerance from long-term use. He may have had times of falling off the wagon and then getting back on again, hence a couple of overdoses spread out over these decades. Plus, there is evidence he was cutting pills. Now we don't know if he was taking a half a pill at a time or a pill and a half at a time. I highly double reaching anywhere over 3 at a time since he willing admit to the Dr. he took 2 why not admit to 3 if he were literally popping them by the hand full just to get high.

I think that it was an on and off problem, but after the surgery it became an ongoing problem because it is highly addicting.

I've asked this question before but why mess with the piddly stuff like the hydrocodone or percs? Why not just straight Oxycontin that has no tylenol or aspirin in it?

Don't forget there was also morphone found in his UA. And where did that come from?

I don't think the cutting pills was him taking less, I think it was him taking more. Pop a couple of pills in the morning, a 1/2 at noon and a couple at night.

I also don't think he was using them just to get high. Again it leads back to the addiction from the pills and the body needing more because it becomes tolerant.

It's also been mentioned by other posters that the drug usage thru the years could be the times he was in emotional turmoil, the loss of the baby, the divorce from M1, the death of his parents, the divorce from M2.

Another thing I question is if KJ didn't know, then why did he obtain the scripts from his dentist and from Dr. S for Prince?

Strawberrylova123 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

She also has many pics of prince on FB with someone commenting " sorry for your loss. I know he meant so much 2 u" WTF

Strawberrylova123 said:

Wonder if she knows Mani gave LE her name and if Mani knew the world would find out she did?

PennyPurple said:

DrD mentioned stagefright as the reason for P doing drugs. Have you forgot? Doesn't it fit your narrative?

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

I referenced the 'hip pain' because it seems like that is where everybody focus is on.

The hip scar, ankle scar, and wisdom teeth have all been discussed before. We are on part 12 now, if you hadn't noticed.

I don't think Dr. D is as full of shit as you think he is.

I don't think I mentioned stage fright, but again Mani confirmed he used when she gave them the woman's name...correct?

So what's made up?

DrD mentioned stagefright as the reason for P doing drugs. Have you forgot? Doesn't it fit your narrative?

And M2 said he didn't have stage fright.

PennyPurple said:

Exactly.

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

And M2 said he didn't have stage fright.

Exactly.

So what's your point? He was junky??

Mani came along when he was more established...

I think he took opiates for both physical and emotional reasons.

PennyPurple said:

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said: Exactly.

So what's your point? He was junky??

PP -It's true

So "Rockstar "cliche"his passing.

Camileyun said:

Mani also says Stacy L. "attempted" to attend P 's L.A. memorial. Sounds like Mani may have put the kabash on that.

Rev said:

Tough business.

EDIT--Would Manuela (corrected) have another reason to name Littlejohn as a dealer? Is she petty enough to try to incriminate a mistress? If Mayte knew she was a drug dealer, than I have lost all respect for her.

If Manuela threw this woman under the bus due to jealousy, then I have lost all respect for her. How little we know people!!! We have no idea who the villian is in this scenario?

Camileyun said:

Camileyun said:

Wonder if she knows Mani gave LE her name and if Mani knew the world would find out she did?

Mani also says Stacy L. "attempted" to attend P 's L.A. memorial. Sounds like Mani may have put the kabash on that.

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SkipperLove said:

Mani, not Mayte. I believe Mayte was never interviewed.

I meant Manuela. I just mis-typed it. I will correct it. Proof being that I said "manuela" in the fourth sentence. Prince and his lovers whose names sound alike--ugh.

Camileyun said:

SkipperLove said:

Would Mayte have another reason to name Littlejohn as a dealer? Is she petty enough to try to incriminate a mistress? If Mayte knew she was a drug dealer, than I have lot all respect for her.

If Manuela threw this woman under the bus due to jealousy, then I have lost all respect for her. How little we know people!!!

Mani, not Mayte. I believe Mayte was never interviewed.

Rev said:

PennyPurple said:

So what's your point? He was junky??

PP -It's true

So "Rockstar "cliche"his passing.

Oh, I don't believe for a minute that he was junky. I believe he was a person who got hooked on pain pills because he was in pain and couldn't get off of them when he wasn't in pain. Just like 100's are battling every day in this world. That's why there is such an opioid crisis in the US.

I don't think people are understanding what I'm trying to say.

People with confirmed pain problems got these prescriptions from their Drs. Big Pharma pushed these pills and people got addicted, Big Pharma knew how addicting it was from their test trials but failed to tell the Drs and the patients. Oxycontin was pushed as a miracle drug, AND it was, UNTIL it didn't work anymore. What happened? Why didn't it work anymore? The patient became tolerant and the Drs would up the dose, over and over again, until the dose was too high and patients with legit scripts were dying of overdoses. Then what happened? It came out that Big Pharma of course knew this all along and the Drs, quit prescribing because the DEA was coming down on them. What next? Oxycontin became high $$ shit on the streets, and more people died. So where did that leave the pain patients?..you know the very people who actually got helped from this nasty drug and who took it exactly as prescribed? They got them off the streets and people started pressing all sorts of crap into them. ... And more people died.

And for the pain patients, it wasn't any fault of their own, but they are the ones who are paying the price.

I still think Prince tried different things and at different times. Was he on drugs for 40 years? Nah I don't believe that. Hell if we are honest with ourselves, some of us have probably tried a thing or two ourselves, especially when we were young. And we weren't even in the rock star industry. I think he experimented with things when he was younger, and medicated thru emotional times. I think he was in pain with his hip OR ankle OR both they gave him pain pills and of course after surgery they gave him more, which equals addiction. You would think with the several times that we know about his Od's that he would've stopped or got help. I think he's been medicating since his surgery in 2010.

PennyPurple said:

Huh? He had physical pain and self medicated.
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SkipperLove said:

EDIT--Would Manuela (corrected) have another reason to name Littlejohn as a dealer? Is she petty enough to try to incriminate a mistress? If Mayte knew she was a drug dealer, than I have lost all respect for her.

If Manuela threw this woman under the bus due to jealousy, then I have lost all respect for her. How little we know people!!! We have no idea who the villian is in this scenario?

Camileyun said:

Camileyun said: Mani also says Stacy L. "attempted" to attend P 's L.A. memorial. Sounds like Mani may have put the kabash on that.

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The circle is getting bigger isn't it? Everyone seems connected.

The documents are out, how could they not know what they said about each other?

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

So what's your point? He was junky??

Huh? He had physical pain and self meficated.

If he had pain, why would he need to self medicate?

PennyPurple said:

?

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

If he had pain, why would he need to self medicate?

?

Yawn, Paul

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

If he had pain, why would he need to self medicate?

?

Paul, I thought the question was pretty clear. If he had pain, why would he need to self medicate?

I'll spell it out. If he had pain why would he need to self medicate with opioids, that he didn't have a script for?

If a person is in such severe pain, what's the 1st thing that person will do?

1. Go to a Dr for help?

2. Buy drugs off the street?

Strawberrylova123 said:

stacy littlejohn ??

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Wow. She's goregous.

I want to clarify a few things, but I will try to keep brief (no monopolizing). Some theories or possibilities

I don't think P was just taking pills for pain. But I do think pain was partly what he was taking them for. I think the DR. D stuff is possible, but once again pain would have been a problem off and on even then. He was an athlete after all. Dancers have pain issues all the time even when they are young. Due to social anxiety, stage fright (quite possible in the early days since he was new to it) and the pain that would pop up, he might have turned to (what he thought) was a well-modulated "medical" program of his own devising back when he was young. It probably seemed relatively harmless to even the folks who helped him obtain the pills because he rarely took to excess or seemed high (like the equivalent of an autistic kid taking prozac or anti-anxiety meds). Plus, what does "high" even look like coming from an eccentric like Prince. Some of the musicians (who Sheila referenced to have put pain med's in their names) may have not known how chronic and continual the usage was. Let's say he asked Miko Weaver or someone like that to put some prescription pills in his name because he was having shoulder pain..Miko was a guitarist too..maybe he would have also been in need of pain remedy..so to him, it might be a harmless pain remedy that both of them were using...(I am not saying MIko ever did that-he is just a what-if example) So Prince over time builds a tolerance (maybe) and then real pain kicks in from aging and wear and tear, so pain pill usage picks up the pace (especially in times when physical and emotional stress increases). He has some incidences. Maybe in 2008, he starts thinking that he needs to go to doctors rather than dealers. Thus, the reason he severs ties with Dr. D. He is asking folks like managers to arrange for doctors. For a while, they think he is doing better but doctors just over-prescribe to a man with a tolerance. Pills don't help the pain from his hip and he had waited too long due to JW beliefs. He finally gets the surgery, lessens the pain pills, goes on tour. Then the 2011 tour starts to take its toll (stress, new aches and pains), he starts up with wanting doctors to see him for pain issues, asking for pills (probably not just motivated by pain issues). Managers etc start to worry they will look bad and contribute to an addiction so they quit. Doctors start giving him less pills due to fears that they will become the next Conrad Murray. The addiction and pain are still there. He is coping the best he can through working overtime (letting music and adrenaline carry him) but he is back to dealers again and manipulating employees to get him stuff in their name. He is taking out petty cash, isolating himself etc. Then one month, he talks to some musician or roadie or whomever and expresses in confidence that he needs some stuff--someone trying to impress Prince tells him he knows some guy who makes pain meds at his own "pill mill". Prince takes out petty cash, puts it in his little black suitcase and pays the dude a lump sum. The pills are then packaged in vitamin boxes and sent to an assistant who doesn't ask questions living in a hotel across from PP. Prince hides the shit in his vault. THUS< THE REASON FOR ALL THE CONFUSION>

I realize this is all fan fiction almost and based on circumstantial evidence or rumor, but I do think this problem was probably as complicated as this story. I think a venn diagram is needed to assess his problem.

peggyon said:

Mani came along when he was more established...

I think he took opiates for both physical and emotional reasons.

I totally agree.

SkipperLove said:

EDIT--Would Manuela (corrected) have another reason to name Littlejohn as a dealer? Is she petty enough to try to incriminate a mistress? If Mayte knew she was a drug dealer, than I have lost all respect for her.

If Manuela threw this woman under the bus due to jealousy, then I have lost all respect for her. How little we know people!!! We have no idea who the villian is in this scenario?

Camileyun said:

Camileyun said: Mani also says Stacy L. "attempted" to attend P 's L.A. memorial. Sounds like Mani may have put the kabash on that.

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[Edited 8/3/18 21:52pm]

Right, Soap Opera. But couldn't this woman have been his drug connection AND his mistress. That wouldn't make Manuela a liar. But maybe she had ulterior motives in naming her if true. So many twists and turns. But ultimatly Prince made his own choices for his own reasons I guess, and that includes having lots of women.

PennyPurple said:

If he hadn't built up a tolerance for the weaker hydro why would it make sense for him to purposely jump to something stronger? Who knows his tolerance level. We are talking about a very petite man. I'm sure stronger stuff would have made him very sick without having built up resistance to the weaker stuff first. That was my original point. It doesn't work like that, of constant use human beings build resistance, no way he had constant use for 2 let alone 3 decades and the weak stuff was still working for him. We've had Chaka come forward who even though she was heavy set is still a relatively tiny woman purposely using fentanyl obviously after years of use needed the stronger stuff to get whereever it was she was trying to go. There are a few steps in between hydro and fentanyl. As far as we know Prince hadn't made it to step 2.

We know stress affects the body. But what I found interesting is Tykas interviews from 2009 promoting her book mention she has suffered from some kind of undiagnosed bone pain that limited her mobility her entire life. She's his only full-blooded sibling, who can say if whatever was affecting her played a role in affecting him. And not only did he perform hard he played hard his entire life. Aches and pains don't wait until one is 50 to flair up. Sure if he was already dealing with addiction issues whatever impacted his mentality affected his physical.


I don't know why KJ would lie, self preservation, being ride or die. He sure the heck wasn't the first to do that type of stuff he sure won't be the last.


Good gawd VICE just came on and they are talking about prisons in the US using fentanyl as a means of execution.
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Well, i feel bad for suggesting ing that she was a mistress (no proof--not even circumstantial--and assumptions are generally unfair). But I do find it odd that she is pretty and a facebook friend with one ex-wife, and being called a drug dealer (with no evidence) by another ex-wife. Who knows? Maybe it was a big understanding that's been rectified since then.

Krystalkisses said:

SkipperLove said:

EDIT--Would Manuela (corrected) have another reason to name Littlejohn as a dealer? Is she petty enough to try to incriminate a mistress? If Mayte knew she was a drug dealer, than I have lost all respect for her.

If Manuela threw this woman under the bus due to jealousy, then I have lost all respect for her. How little we know people!!! We have no idea who the villian is in this scenario?

[Edited 8/3/18 21:46pm]

[Edited 8/3/18 21:52pm]

Right, Soap Opera. But couldn't this woman have been his drug connection AND his mistress. That wouldn't make Manuela a liar. But maybe she had ulterior motives in naming her if true. So many twists and turns. But ultimatly Prince made his own choices for his own reasons I guess, and that includes having lots of women.

Camileyun said:

Mayte is fb friends with stacy but i don't know if she knows about she might've been prince's dealer

Manuela said that littlejohn tried to get into PRince's memorial and was banned. Manuela and Mayte organized the service.

Strawberrylova123 said:

Camileyun said:

Mani, not Mayte. I believe Mayte was never interviewed.

Mayte is fb friends with stacy but i don't know if she knows about she might've been prince's dealer