Bodhitheblackdog said:

paulludvig said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Camileyun said:

paulludvig said:

That doesn't exactly strenghten his credibility.

That's for sure and I discounted what he said at first, until the results of P 's toxicology test came back. And lo and behold, he had both fentanyl and Dilauded in his system. Sometimes, I don't need a club to the head to put two and two together.

paulludvig said:

Camileyun said:

That's for sure and I discounted what he said at first, until the results of P 's toxicology test came back. And lo and behold, he had both fentanyl and Dilauded in his system. Sometimes, I don't need a club to the head to put two and two together.

But that is the only thing he got right.

Camileyun said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

CatB said:

Yes, that was what I was asking about as well. The only sources I ever heard it from was Alex Hahn's book, Ronin Ro's book, the nannies' interview and Mayte's book in which she herself keeps it very vague.

Funny is also how one of the associates who is even credited and discussed in AH's book had never even heard of the pill and wine incident when it came up in a convo. It almost looks like people who are topic in the book don't even know or haven't even read it themselves.

Just because they didn't hear of it doesn't mean it didn't happen. And I might point it out tho, the only thing you can give us is a comment one of your friends made. You know, that thing about cocaine. Sorry but you want a real evidence for that wine and pill incident, how about we get a real evidence for the cocaine claims? Can you provide us more evidence than just the comment from your friend?

Because if what people wrote in books or said in interviews isn't enough evidence for you than the comment your friend made isn't enough evidence for me.

[Edited 8/2/18 10:00am]

agree, the white dude^^^ and i think this is the hypocrisy the poster toomuch is speaking of.

one second Hahn is tabloid then the next its "don't dismiss it"

purplefam99 said:

Deat CatB, on another thread you mentioned that P had contact with women up till 99 while

married to Mayte. And you said an associate told you he had changed due to drugs. and that

during the DnP tour he was using. Did you ever ask him about it? try to warn him against it, even

just in case. If you had this knowledge/warning and proceeding forward in a liason with him, perhaps

you can help us understand why some of others proceeded too and didn't notice, didn't speak, didnt help, didnt tell, didn't

leave (at first sign of use). or even couldn't if that is the case. or did help. And why it is that we might look upon JH and others with more compassion and their

part in this sad ending. Can you lend your voice in that kind regard?

[Edited 8/2/18 14:16pm]

muchtoofast said:

purplefam99 said:

agree, the white dude^^^ and i think this is the hypocrisy the poster toomuch is speaking of.

one second Hahn is tabloid then the next its "don't dismiss it"

Yes that’s exactly it. But she could be writing her own book and is using knowledgeable posters here to do her fact checking. It could all be a pack of lies too, I sure as hell would not say I was having an affair with a pregnant woman’s husband unless I knew in my heart I was just telling stories. Pure awful. Sullies Prince too you know. Reeks of lies or a sick level of passive aggression.

The whole Mayte era was NOT Prince's finest hour and for someone to carry a torch for more than 20 years bc they claimed (...BTW...where's the PROOF?) to have banged a pregnant womans' husband seems a bit icky for me. Also, she may have to take a number in the 'fond recollection' line..so where's the PROOF that what she experienced was so special????? I appreciate her candor but she's too selective when it comes to demanding proof from others and that shines a very bright light on her big claim to fame, IMO.

onlyforaminute said:

PennyPurple said:

Nobody is saying that he was doing coke recently before he passed.

But folks are sure putting in a lot of overtime tryjng to imply or stir up rumors that he was. My attitude is if one can't stand up proudly and firmly to a good vetting, then they need to sit their butt in a corner somewhere and keep their trap shut. No excuses and no passes for anyone. Everybody is suspect at this point.

They are? I don't see it. The coke rumors have been around for ages. Nobody said he was recently doing coke.

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't see where she's ever knocked Mayte. Mayte is being discussed because of the wine and 'aspirin' incident. We will discuss any associate and their role, if any into this thread. You are a little too new here to be asserting yourself in a forcible manner as above. It's not up to you to dictate who and who can not be mentioned.

Quite frankly, he had drug problems way before, during and after Mayte. Things are starting to come out and and the pieces are being put together.

About your last paragraph: You can't state that as a fact. [Edited 8/2/18 10:48am]

Can you prove otherwise?

paulludvig said:

Camileyun said:

There are very few things in this world we truly know for a "fact", you cannot even trust what you see with your own eyes sometimes! But I think we can say, at this point, that P. was not adverse to doing drugs. He may have dropped acid, snorted coke or crystal, or whatever else was readily available back in the day for all we know. Of course I could never state this as fact, and 2 years ago I would have thought that was crazy talk. But knowing about the cocktail of drugs in his system when he died, and reading his associates interviews, Dr. D (if you believe him), I think it is safe to say that P., like many in his generation, grew up around drugs and was familiar with them. He may not have been addicted back then, but it would be naive to think he just decided to go for the gusto one day and try fentanyl. No one can tell anyone else what to believe. It's quite obvious to Penny, and many others...lighten up...life is short.

The police concluded that he didn't know he was taking Fentanyl, so that wasn't something "he just decided to do." [Edited 8/2/18 12:22pm]

And they know this because they asked him? I still think he knew. He had the pills seperated.

PennyPurple said:

paulludvig said:

Camileyun said: The police concluded that he didn't know he was taking Fentanyl, so that wasn't something "he just decided to do." [Edited 8/2/18 12:22pm]

And they know this because they asked him? I still think he knew. He had the pills seperated.

I am a little rusty but don't we suspect he took Fentanyl on the plane?

PennyPurple said:

onlyforaminute said:

PennyPurple said: But folks are sure putting in a lot of overtime tryjng to imply or stir up rumors that he was. My attitude is if one can't stand up proudly and firmly to a good vetting, then they need to sit their butt in a corner somewhere and keep their trap shut. No excuses and no passes for anyone. Everybody is suspect at this point.

They are? I don't see it. The coke rumors have been around for ages. Nobody said he was recently doing coke.

People need to take responsibility for what they say, every person should be held accountable and should welcome it. It doesn't matter when, be bold, stand proud and be vetted or move along.

muchtoofast said:

Yes that’s exactly it. But she could be writing her own book and is using knowledgeable posters here to do her fact checking. It could all be a pack of lies too, I sure as hell would not say I was having an affair with a pregnant woman’s husband unless I knew in my heart I was just telling stories. Pure awful. Sullies Prince too you know. [Edited 8/2/18 14:08pm]

So now you think she is writing her own book? You think she is using knowledgeable posters here to fact check it? She's not Alex Hahn.

You must be a retread here on the forum, maybe someone who has been banned and now has come back?

You all have to remember, it takes 2 to tango. You are blaming the woman, but what part did the man play? Prince wasn't faithful to any woman in his life.

peggyon said:

PennyPurple said:

And they know this because they asked him? I still think he knew. He had the pills seperated.

I am a little rusty but don't we suspect he took Fentanyl on the plane?

Yes.

Camileyun said:

paulludvig said:

https://kstp.com/news/dea-search-warrant-looked-into-packages-sent-to-chanhassen-hotel-for-prince-paisley-park-entities-associates-death-investigation/5013468/?cat=1 [Edited 8/2/18 12:39pm]

Good luck to the family and their wrongful death suit. The hospital has a signed Refusal of Treatment form and paperwork showing they not only counseled P, but told him several times that they needed to draw blood to find out what was going on with him and he repeatedly refused. More lawyer's fees out the window! Thanks for the link! [Edited 8/2/18 12:46pm]

The lawsuit makes the family look bad, in my opinion. The hospital saved his life that night. Prince refused further treatment. Why they would sue the hospital, I can't imagine. It makes them look greedy. If anything they should sue the Sheriff's office who made available to the public such intimate, private photos of Prince's home and of him, dead on the floor. Sue them!

PennyPurple said:

Francis77 said:

Camileyun said:

OperatingThetan said:

There is a difference between taking recreational drugs and medicating for pain (whether that pain medication was sourced illegally or not). I won't 'lighten up' on requiring facts, evidence and a credible level of discourse before arriving at a conclusion. Some of the jumps in logic displayed on this thread are frankly laughable and an insult to anyone of average intelligence. Major claims require major proof. Otherwise make the statements as speculation or conjecture but don't try to pass them as 'truth' or as having any factual basis.

The investigative files show that he didn't have major pain complaints. It's never been proven that he had any pain. Again, if 1 has sooo much pain, they seek help from a Dr., not a drug dealer.

PennyPurple said:

CatB said:

muchtoofast said:

PennyPurple said:

So now you think she is writing her own book? You think she is using knowledgeable posters here to fact check it? She's not Alex Hahn.

You must be a retread here on the forum, maybe someone who has been banned and now has come back?

You all have to remember, it takes 2 to tango. You are blaming the woman, but what part did the man play? Prince wasn't faithful to any woman in his life.

If I were you I wouldn’t worry about me. This is a Prince fan site, it’s not about me or even you. But think about her agenda, her reason for being here.

I don't think she has an agenda.

How does it look for Prince to be running around on his pregnant wife?

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

The investigative files show that he didn't have major pain complaints. It's never been proven that he had any pain. Again, if 1 has sooo much pain, they seek help from a Dr., not a drug dealer.

Prince suffering physical pain is something the files actually show evidence for in the form of numerous testimonies from people who knew Prince.

Really? And people who also knew Prince have said that he did have a drug problem. It's in those same files that you are referencing too.

PennyPurple said:

OperatingThetan said:

PennyPurple said:

The investigative files show that he didn't have major pain complaints. It's never been proven that he had any pain. Again, if 1 has sooo much pain, they seek help from a Dr., not a drug dealer.

The investigative files do not include Prince's lifetime medical records. Do you know for a fact he never visited a doctor for pain? What is factual is that Prince was seeing a local hospital consultant during the final weeks of his life. We have CCTV evidence of Prince visiting that consultant the day before his death. Does that consultant not qualify under your criteria as a doctor? And since he consulted on medications for pain and prescribed them, would he not then constitute a doctor in an official capacity advising Prince regarding pain management? Do you think Prince underwent surgery in 2010 without cause or existing pain or discomfort and arranged the surgery without reference to a doctor?

He seen Dr. S twice. Dr. S illegally prescribed that pain medication to Kirk. If he was seeing a Dr. for pain, he would not have needed to obtain the drugs off of the street. Prince seeing the Dr the day before his death, had nothing to do with pain issues.