muchtoofast said:

CatB said:

Like I've said, I am not an expert. I have never done any drugs myself and I wouldn't even know all the kinds of different substances out there. When we first met him and my friend said Mayte was on she said it because she had been experimenting herself and her circle of friends outside school was alternative musicians. They were all very experimental, not only with their music. So she knew the signs while I didn't. As I got older I did some modeling and there substances seemed to be such a normal thing as if it was candy. It wasn't only the photographers or other models/dancers using it (it helps you stay toned and suppresses appetite) but one photographer who was fed up with just shooting the regular commercial stuff wanted to shoot me in "a pile of cocaine". Not just something that looked like it but the real stuff. And when he was on he'd switch from the gentleman who always protected me from other men's "offers" and assaults to one of them. Coke and sex seems to always come in pairs in that scene and it scared me. I never worked with him again. So I learned to read the signs a bit too, it definitely boosts the ego and makes people arrogant and less empathic.

With Prince, he had always had several different masks and some weren't always nice, so it's hard to say. He was tender and in need of love like a baby but he also needed his space and could be a real bitch. There was a girl who had nightmares for months after he told her to go away in a very colorful language. One associate from his early years said to me he seemed to have changed a lot in the early 90's (which was the time I first met him) and that this was probably caused by drugs. He could be hot and cold and he had an ego (which he knew) and as I've said, although I never witnessed him taking anything I wouldn't dismiss it. I never saw the photographers/models/dancers do the stuff either but that doesn't mean they didn't do it. It was always present, they talked about it and acted the way they did. So not seeing someone do it doesn't mean they aren't doing it. Just as with meds - most people won't take theirs when others are around. Women taking the pill for instance - it's a regular thing and their friends usually know they take it but they won't see them take it.

You’ve said twice now that your friend thought Mayte was using cocaine back when you first met her and Prince in the early 90’s. You also seem to be implying that since there are no videos of or police or medical records that the wine and pill incident mentioned in Mayte’s book didn’t really happen. I’m going to call you on your hypocrisy as you have no proof either of them were doing cocaine but you have no hesitation going on and on about this on the biggest Prince fan site there is. For the benefit of the uninitiated I think it’s fair to state you had a brief affair with him while he was married to Mayte. You won’t deny that at this stage of the game. No amount of Mayte bashing by you will ever make that betrayal of another woman acceptable to lots of other women. This isn’t the Mayte death thread after all, and if you discuss her on this thread I might discuss how a happier wife and marriage might have kept him free from substance abuse. Happy as in free from side chicks.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

OperatingThetan said:

Agreed. It's bugging me also as I was sure there were other sources for the '96 incident and remember it being reported at the time, but can't find or recall what or where. I've been participanting on this site for 20 years and often recall stories and events from that period that are subsequently difficult to verify. Whatever, I appreciate your contribution and unique perspective. Many here had either forgotten or weren't aware of who Alex Hahn was, his (biased) background and agenda and motive in writing his original book. After the publication of that book he vanished here only to resurface just after Prince died, self-publishing a new edition. * [Edited 8/2/18 6:21am] [Edited 8/2/18 6:23am]

Didn't his bodyguard take him to the hospital to get his stomach pumped, then called Mayte and told her where he was at? This was the 'aspirin' and wine incident.

Yep. See my reply #92 in this thread. We discussed it from page 4 through the following pages.

OperatingThetan said:

PennyPurple said:

Didn't his bodyguard take him to the hospital to get his stomach pumped, then called Mayte and told her where he was at? This was the 'aspirin' and wine incident.

I'm aware of the incident but was seeking verification beyond Alex Hahn's tabloid trash, which is biased and unreliable. What credible, substantiated evidence is there that Prince was suffering from drug problems before his relationship with Mayte? I see plenty of conjecture and speculation here, but little in the way of hard facts or reliable sources. * [Edited 8/2/18 9:43am]

Yes, that was what I was asking about as well. The only sources I ever heard it from was Alex Hahn's book, Ronin Ro's book, the nannies' interview and Mayte's book in which she herself keeps it very vague.

Funny is also how one of the associates who is even credited and discussed in AH's book had never even heard of the pill and wine incident when it came up in a convo. It almost looks like people who are topic in the book don't even know or haven't even read it themselves.

CatB said:

OperatingThetan said:

PennyPurple said: I'm aware of the incident but was seeking verification beyond Alex Hahn's tabloid trash, which is biased and unreliable. What credible, substantiated evidence is there that Prince was suffering from drug problems before his relationship with Mayte? I see plenty of conjecture and speculation here, but little in the way of hard facts or reliable sources. * [Edited 8/2/18 9:43am]

Yes, that was what I was asking about as well. The only sources I ever heard it from was Alex Hahn's book, Ronin Ro's book, the nannies' interview and Mayte's book in which she herself keeps it very vague.

Funny is also how one of the associates who is even credited and discussed in AH's book had never even heard of the pill and wine incident when it came up in a convo. It almost looks like people who are topic in the book don't even know or haven't even read it themselves.

Just because they didn't hear of it doesn't mean it didn't happen. And I might point it out tho, the only thing you can give us is a comment one of your friends made. You know, that thing about cocaine. Sorry but you want a real evidence for that wine and pill incident, how about we get a real evidence for the cocaine claims? Can you provide us more evidence than just the comment from your friend?

Because if what people wrote in books or said in interviews isn't enough evidence for you than the comment your friend made isn't enough evidence for me.

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ThatWhiteDude said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

CatB said:

Yes, that was what I was asking about as well. The only sources I ever heard it from was Alex Hahn's book, Ronin Ro's book, the nannies' interview and Mayte's book in which she herself keeps it very vague.

Funny is also how one of the associates who is even credited and discussed in AH's book had never even heard of the pill and wine incident when it came up in a convo. It almost looks like people who are topic in the book don't even know or haven't even read it themselves.

Just because they didn't hear of it doesn't mean it didn't happen. And I might point it out tho, the only thing you can give us is a comment one of your friends made. You know, that thing about cocaine. Sorry but you want a real evidence for that wine and pill incident, how about we get a real evidence for the cocaine claims? Can you provide us more evidence than just the comment from your friend?

Because if what people wrote in books or said in interviews isn't enough evidence for you than the comment your friend made isn't enough evidence for me.

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Yes, that's why I said let the experts do the talk.

Ask the people who made the cocaine claims for evidence, not me. I said I don't know. I just wouldn't dismiss it.

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muchtoofast said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Just because they didn't hear of it doesn't mean it didn't happen. And I might point it out tho, the only thing you can give us is a comment one of your friends made. You know, that thing about cocaine. Sorry but you want a real evidence for that wine and pill incident, how about we get a real evidence for the cocaine claims? Can you provide us more evidence than just the comment from your friend?

Because if what people wrote in books or said in interviews isn't enough evidence for you than the comment your friend made isn't enough evidence for me.

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And Mayte certainly didn’t need to make up stuff to sell her book so we have to ask ourselves what the agenda here is, trying to make Mayte out a liar. What is the grudge here, after all Mayte didn’t mention side chicks by name. [Edited 8/2/18 10:10am]

But it's not only about Mayte, Cat is also talking about other people, nannies, Alex and another person who said the same thing. So I don't see a real agenda against Mayte here, but I find it funny that Cat wants a real evidence for the incident when she only has the comments from a friend for the cocaine stuff.

I don't know but didn't someone here speculate that Prince was on and off with pills for decades?Why would it be unusual for him to OD, or why is it being questioned when various people mention an incident from 1996?

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CatB said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Just because they didn't hear of it doesn't mean it didn't happen. And I might point it out tho, the only thing you can give us is a comment one of your friends made. You know, that thing about cocaine. Sorry but you want a real evidence for that wine and pill incident, how about we get a real evidence for the cocaine claims? Can you provide us more evidence than just the comment from your friend?

Because if what people wrote in books or said in interviews isn't enough evidence for you than the comment your friend made isn't enough evidence for me.

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Yes, that's why I said let the experts do the talk.

Ask the people who made the cocaine claims for evidence, not me. I said I don't know. I just wouldn't dismiss it.

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Then why do you point it out here? This is a "could've been" situation and I don't see how this brings this thread any further, especially if we never get the final evidence that this happened and also, cocaine ain't the drug that killed him in the end. Or is here an expert that can tell us for sure that Prince, or the people around him did cocaine?

PennyPurple said:

muchtoofast said:

You’ve said twice now that your friend thought Mayte was using cocaine back when you first met her and Prince in the early 90’s. You also seem to be implying that since there are no videos of or police or medical records that the wine and pill incident mentioned in Mayte’s book didn’t really happen. I’m going to call you on your hypocrisy as you have no proof either of them were doing cocaine but you have no hesitation going on and on about this on the biggest Prince fan site there is. For the benefit of the uninitiated I think it’s fair to state you had a brief affair with him while he was married to Mayte. You won’t deny that at this stage of the game. No amount of Mayte bashing by you will ever make that betrayal of another woman acceptable to lots of other women. This isn’t the Mayte death thread after all, and if you discuss her on this thread I might discuss how a happier wife and marriage might have kept him free from substance abuse. Happy as in free from side chicks.

I don't see where she's ever knocked Mayte. Mayte is being discussed because of the wine and 'aspirin' incident. We will discuss any associate and their role, if any into this thread. You are a little too new here to be asserting yourself in a forcible manner as above. It's not up to you to dictate who and who can not be mentioned.

Quite frankly, he had drug problems way before, during and after Mayte. Things are starting to come out and and the pieces are being put together.

Exactly.

And back to the DEA files - the missing pages - has this been discussed yet? And why is his DOB wrong? First it says 1959 and then in the very last part it says 1954 and even his name is misspelled.

ThatWhiteDude said:

CatB said:

Yes, that's why I said let the experts do the talk.

Ask the people who made the cocaine claims for evidence, not me. I said I don't know. I just wouldn't dismiss it.

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Then why do you point it out here? This is a "could've been" situation and I don't see how this brings this thread any further, especially if we never get the final evidence that this happened and also, cocaine ain't the drug that killed him in the end. Or is here an expert that can tell us for sure that Prince, or the people around him did cocaine?

Because I was asked about it.

CatB said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Then why do you point it out here? This is a "could've been" situation and I don't see how this brings this thread any further, especially if we never get the final evidence that this happened and also, cocaine ain't the drug that killed him in the end. Or is here an expert that can tell us for sure that Prince, or the people around him did cocaine?

Because I was asked about it.

Okay. Look, it's not that I find it impossible that he or people around him did cocaine. I mean, his Bodyguard Chick was known to do cocaine and wasn't he one of the people who claimed that Prince does cocaine? The thing is, he said those things while being on coke, so we can't know for sure.

My only problem was that you said you need stuff like that from the DEA to have proof for the claimed incident in 1996, while you posted more than once only the comment from your friend. I think this is what muchtoosoon meant with hypocrisy. Maybe it wasn't your intention to come off like a hypocrite but I can see how others can take it like that.

I can see both sides, the one that what your friend said might be true and the other one, that it was probably nothing.

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PennyPurple said:

muchtoofast said:

PennyPurple said:

muchtoofast said:

onlyforaminute said:

muchtoofast said:

CatB the poster could be a farmer in Idaho for all we know, but I DO get to point out blatant hypocrisy.

Then they're an assh**e that deserves no respect.

But you don't know that only, why are you being so aggressive?

paulludvig said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

onlyforaminute said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

But you don't know that only, why are you being so aggressive?

Because I don't owe anyone anything they don't owe me. This is not a CatB or Skipper or White Dude or any number of peoples fansite. This is supposed to be a site where the fans of Prince can congregate. Not spend loads of time booty kissing people one doesn't know from a hole in the wall over salacious unvetted malicious stories about Prince.

But Cat didn't insult anyone here so why do you need to insult her? It's not about ass kissing, it's about being respectful, and you are not.

ThatWhiteDude said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

onlyforaminute said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

But Cat didn't insult anyone here so why do you need to insult her? It's not about ass kissing, it's about being respectful, and you are not.

Spreading unvetted stories to Prince fans to get attention is highly insulting and disrespectful. I give nobody a free pass just because they breathe oxygen.

The only disrespectful thing I've seen on this thread was your assh*t comment towards Cat.

muchtoofast said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

But you don't know that only, why are you being so aggressive?

If you pretend to be someone you’re not, someone who has had sex with Prince, and say things like Prince needed to be loved like a baby, like wtf? No one wants their chain yanked so you can while away the hours on a legit fan site. It pisses people off. Jmho of course.

Still no reason to call her insutling names.

OperatingThetan said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Camileyun said:

PennyPurple said: