nelcp777 said:

CatB said:

First log: http://www.co.carver.mn.u...nt?id=7375

According to this log report, PP had some form of security monitoring in 2015, as references were made to an alarm company.

Great point Nelcp!

luvparade said:

As a hardcore fan, I tried the only way I knew and it didn't work. I asked those closet to him, that I was at least asquaited with, if they'd please ask P if he'd let me assist him. Lots of no replys/answers and the worse was the looking and walking away. At parties, when they'd tell us to leave Paisley Park, we left. I tried going s l o o o w l y out the door hoping I'd see him or find a way....but it didn't happen. There was no getting close to the Man. Even on a tour, we entered a room he was in, just sitting there. After everyone was seated, Prince jumps up and says something like: 'if anyone throws themselves at me, we will NEVER date.' Then he walked out of the room. I wish I would have known then, what I know now, If I did, maybe I would have thought I really could climb that fence and asked him to come out of Paisley Park that nite afterall

Could you tell he was on drugs? Is that why you wanted to reach out to him?

His independence does seem to contradict the idea. But he had a support system --sadly, it just didn't happen to be his parents. (aunts, uncles, friend's parents, church, cousins/bandmates, early managers,). But like I said, autistic savantism is different for everyone. The only things that seem to be consistent are awkwardness in certain social settings(which of course could just be shyness), ability to focus on repetitive tasks beyond what "normal" folks can comfortably do and misunderstandings of social cues (I dont know how bad this might have been for Prince, but the controlled settings/creating his own universe with his own rules might have made reading the cues easier for him). Its all "What-if" theory that's all..

But really I want to get away from the labels and go back to what I said later in my post.

This all being said, he still had habits and routines, conditions and controlls that dominated his life. Addiction would have been hard to fight without deconstructing his life as PRince--the myserious, albeit charming, tough albeit warm, distant albeit romantic rock star and musical genius. And then on top of reconstructing his entire life rendering him quite vulnerble, he would have physical pain issues to contend with.

onlyforaminute said:

SkipperLove said:

I have read some of Andre's interviews. I dont remember him discussing this. When you said "in at least one interview" does that mean in another interview he is neutral or unsure on the subject.

Once again let me reiterate. I think its a possibility that prince has it. I also think his conditions, musical obsessions, demand for privacy/control, and social awkwardness unless in controlled settings could be from a myriad of other reasons--abandonment issues, trust issues, insecurity, a bit of OCD...but autistic savantism encapsulated a bit more of his characteristics because of the "savant" side of it. A person's psyche is complex..I am not trying to minimalize the man. This all being said, he still had habits and routines, conditions and controlls that dominated his life. Addiction would have been hard to fight without deconstructing his life as PRince--the myserious, albeit charming, tough albeit warm, distant albeit romantic rock star and musical genius. And then on top of reconstructing his entire life rendering him quite vulnerble, he would have physical pain issues to contend with.

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He directly addressed it. And he knew Prince as a teenager. The odds for someone with that type of issue to be that big of a self starter, self motivated, without any type of formal diagnosis, and strong support group, from the hood must be astronomical. And you are literally presenting an argument about a maybe without vetting the source. I get it, you respect the source, but that still doesn't make what they said fact. That's why I'm asking. Like OCD has come into pop culture without people understanding what it really means, and think it just something people do when they are really hyper-organized, so now everybody and their auntie has OCD because it's the "it" thing to have that means you are detailed in what you do, which is not true.

I think you present yourself well, obviously you've read a lot regarding Prince, and have kept abreast of what is being said. And like so many of us, searching for answers. I have no intention of getting in your way and doing battle with you incase it looks like I am from the other side.

SkipperLove said:

Darryl Hannah, the actress, has been diagnosed as autistic. Dan Akroyd has as well. I am not sure about Prince. But there are performers who have been diagnosed as such. Autism has a massive, somewhat blurry spectrum. Maybe its over diagnosed sometimes. But its not impossible to be on that spectrum and be an entertainer who adjusts and cultivates better interpersonal relations as they get older.

onlyforaminute said:

Yet Andre Cymone who also knew Prince intimately, rejects it, at least in one interview. So, what gives those 2 more authority towards being right? A degree in psychological disorders, or personal opinion? I mean, sure there could be some clinical name for the various ways Prince behaved or not, I'm sure there is a long list of various psychological curiousities known to man, why specifically borderline autism, especially for someone in the entertainment industry of all things? And you are repeating it without question, that's what the issue is, it's being repeated as if it could possibly be fact without any other possible explanation. Sounds like a broken record technique, you repeat it enough, it becomes real.

And yes, I've read up on Autism borderline and otherwise, so it's also why I'm asking why people are insistant on grabbing ahold to that one thing. Autistic people can train themselves to do a bunch of things, be teachers, comedians, actors, etc. but they in today's society are very very rare, and going back to the 70s even rarer.

Those 2 are the only 2 out everyone in the entertainment industry who have been, officially. Again, the spectrum isn't the only thing in the world to be, it's just the new pop culture thing for right now, so just like OCD was, everyone who is intelligent but very guarded will get thrown into that pot by anyone and everyone. Plus it starts to sound like a separator, making him so much more different than the "others", which I find very leery personally. So again, unless the sources have some really specific knowledge then their opinion is like everybody elses, something everyone has and isn't more noteworthy than anybody elses.

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Strawberrylova123 said:

Lets not get this thread locked.Autism has nothing to do with the police or DEA files

Don't worry, I won't be spending any further time on the subject, beyond noting that it's a personal opinion and not a fact.

I wasn't trying to change the subject. It was just one comment in an analysis of mine with the intention of describing why helping his man with addiction would have been tricky and maybe impossible if he wasn't willing to help himself.

Strawberrylova123 said:

Lets not get this thread locked.Autism has nothing to do with the police or DEA files

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

nelcp777 said:

CatB said: According to this log report, PP had some form of security monitoring in 2015, as references were made to an alarm company.

Great point Nelcp!

I remember these logs. The insurance on running PP must have a lot, people passing out, loons doing all kinds of thing.

Looking at this link, I do recall reading this but i never took it seriously because it seemed like fan fantasy, in other words, a fan called the police. The police talked him/her down and nothing else happened. For all we know, this fan read the stuff about Duane and Loreen's lawsuit and made a call. The cocaine stuff just seems like a leap that had less evidence than the aspirin/wine story. BUt it was the same year as some pain pill issues on tour in 2011, so maybe the caller mistook Prince's pain pill issue for cocaine.

CatB said:

SkipperLove said:

Who said he had a cocaine habit in 2010/2011? Are we talking about that greedy lawyer who worked for a drug-addled, messed up Duane and a greedy half sister. Poor Duane. But I don't buy the cocaine rumors. Partly because there was no cocaine found at paisley and partly because no one other than those two seemed to have witnessed it.

First log: http://www.co.carver.mn.u...nt?id=7375

I think I know where you are going with this. But an alarm system is not the same thing as having survellience cameras everywhere especially to the extent Prince had them in the 1990's.

nelcp777 said:

CatB said:

First log: http://www.co.carver.mn.u...nt?id=7375

According to this log report, PP had some form of security monitoring in 2015, as references were made to an alarm company.

SkipperLove said:

CatB said:

PennyPurple said:

Great point Nelcp!

My point in posting the file was the first log though. In reply to the question of his "cocaine habit" on the mentioned tour in 2010.

In your opinion, did he really have a cocaine habit? I mean it has been rumored.

I dont know. I just assumed when I read the file. She dropped the issue rather quickly if she was touring with him. I am weary because I assume that anyone could make a call like that. But if it was someone touring with him, could she have actually caught him doing lines of coke in front of everyone? Or was he just acting odd (as a result of pain pills) and he/she heard coke rumors and called the police. YOu met Prince. Did you ever see him do drugs so openly in front of everyone or admitting something like that so openly to his employees. PLus, why have a cocaine habit and express your concern for overcoming it at the same time you are going to doctors to get pain pills that you are also addicted to. That seems like a lot at the same time.

CatB said:

How do you know it was a fan? She said she had been touring with him. SkipperLove said:

Looking at this link, I do recall reading this but i never took it seriously because it seemed like fan fantasy, in other words, a fan called the police. The police talked him/her down and nothing else happened. For all we know, this fan read the stuff about Duane and Loreen's lawsuit and made a call. The cocaine stuff just seems like a leap that had less evidence than the aspirin/wine story. BUt it was the same year as some pain pill issues on tour in 2011, so maybe the caller mistook Prince's pain pill issue for cocaine.

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PennyPurple said:

CatB said:

PennyPurple said:

In your opinion, did he really have a cocaine habit? I mean it has been rumored.

I know and not only rumored. One associate mentioned it to me and according to Alex Hahn's book an NPG member said Prince did cocaine on the D&P Tour. At the time I first met him my friend who knew the signs said Mayte was on and it was a time when P was acting weird in his whole persona, so I don't know. It often comes with the territory. I wouldn't dismiss it.

Thank you for your honest answer.

SkipperLove said:

So you heard rumors, read Hahn's book and saw behaviors out of Mayte (and possibly Prince) that according to your friend were symptomatic of cocaine usage. I don't know. Maybe. But I still take that phone call with a large grain of salt.

CatB said:

PennyPurple said:

In your opinion, did he really have a cocaine habit? I mean it has been rumored.

I know and not only rumored. One associate mentioned it to me and according to Alex Hahn's book an NPG member said Prince did cocaine on the D&P Tour. At the time I first met him my friend who knew the signs said Mayte was on and it was a time when P was acting weird in his whole persona, so I don't know. It often comes with the territory. I wouldn't dismiss it.

Maybe. But, there were some crazy fans who sent pubic hair to PRince (Jill JOnes's story) and have tried to scale his fence. Some will definitely jump through some hoops. Another possibility is that the person was legit, was telling the truth but got the drug of choice wrong. I just can't see PRicne being on the pain pills his assistant talked about at the same time as having a full scale cocaine problem. I just can't see how he could have functioned at all with those two concurrent problems. And his home didn't have cocaine in it as far as I remember.

I hope people were trying to make calls. But without evidence, cops can't do anything. But thank you for your point about it being hard to get stuff through PRince's head.

CatB said:

Sure but one could also ask why someone would go to such length and make such a call? To what purpose? You know many say now why has nobody done anything, why did they all look the other way? While that woman might have been one to try to do something? What if there was no other way for her? You couldn't tell P to his face if he had a problem or was doing something stupid. You just couldn't. He was always right. And you don't need to watch someone doing lines to tell. There are signs in behavior that can show you. Especially when you are using too or when you work in the industry. It is a common thing there, I've been offered it too, like it was nothing. It scared me. SkipperLove said:

I dont know. I just assumed when I read the file. She dropped the issue rather quickly if she was touring with him. I am weary because I assume that anyone could make a call like that. But if it was someone touring with him, could she have actually caught him doing lines of coke in front of everyone? Or was he just acting odd (as a result of pain pills) and he/she heard coke rumors and called the police. YOu met Prince. Did you ever see him do drugs so openly in front of everyone or admitting something like that so openly to his employees. PLus, why have a cocaine habit and express your concern for overcoming it at the same time you are going to doctors to get pain pills that you are also addicted to. That seems like a lot at the same time.

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Don't forget archery girl. That's my favorite of all time.

PennyPurple said:

CatB said:

PennyPurple said: I know and not only rumored. One associate mentioned it to me and according to Alex Hahn's book an NPG member said Prince did cocaine on the D&P Tour. At the time I first met him my friend who knew the signs said Mayte was on and it was a time when P was acting weird in his whole persona, so I don't know. It often comes with the territory. I wouldn't dismiss it.

Thank you for your honest answer.

YES, co-sign...thanks for being so open...

Question: The hip surgery that Prince had, do we know if the surgery was to put in some kind of metal implant? Reason I'm asking is that I'm watching a documentary on Netflix, "The Bleeding Edge", and the second device they talk of the documentary is dealing with hip replacement surgeries, but they discussed that it could be any kind of implant that uses cobalt steel. These implants can cause neurological disturbances which are misdiagnosed and are totally reversible. It's been eye opening for me because I work with elderly and disabled individuals, and I'll be having some of my clients that have had steel hip replacements and later went on to be diagnosed with dementia or Parkinson's to be tested for too much cobalt in their system.

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Certainly a reasonable possibility. I don't think he was showing signs of dementia or parkinson disease, but those 'disturbances" aren't too far-fetched. But maybe the disturbances could have led to further drug use (in an attempt to silence or stop them.)

benni said:

Question: The hip surgery that Prince had, do we know if the surgery was to put in some kind of metal implant? Reason I'm asking is that I'm watching a documentary on Netflix, "The Bleeding Edge", and the second device they talk of the documentary is dealing with hip replacement surgeries, but they discussed that it could be any kind of implant that uses cobalt steel. These implants can cause neurological disturbances which are misdiagnosed and are totally reversible. It's been eye opening for me because I work with elderly and disabled individuals, and I'll be having some of my clients that have had steel hip replacements and later went on to be diagnosed with dementia or Parkinson's to be tested for too much cobalt in their system.

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luvparade said:

DELETE PLEASE

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Skipper-I wonder if you can allow for other voices? I am feeling overwhelmed by the frequency and intensity of your posts. Can you sit back a bit? You seem rather new to the forum but I feel you have taken over and it is making me want to avoid this thread.

Use the arrow down button. Don't read them. Start your own posts. Whatever. I am done.

peggyon said:

Skipper-I wonder if you can allow for other voices? I am feeling overwhelmed by the frequency and intensity of your posts. Can you sit back a bit? You seem rather new to the forum but I feel you have taken over and it is making me want to avoid this thread.

SkipperLove said:

Use the arrow down button. Don't read them. Start your own posts. Whatever. I am done.

peggyon said:

Skipper-I wonder if you can allow for other voices? I am feeling overwhelmed by the frequency and intensity of your posts. Can you sit back a bit? You seem rather new to the forum but I feel you have taken over and it is making me want to avoid this thread.

thank you