I am sorry to hear about your husband and his misfortune.

PennyPurple said:

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Penny, if you don't mind my asking, did your husband ever find something that could lessen his pain?

No, he did not. He screams in pain, if he goes to sleep he wakes up screaming out in pain, and he takes a prescription sleeping pill(that the drug company has now said they will only pay for 15 a month, when there are at least 30 days in the month) Sometimes I look over at him and tears are streaming down his face.

It's the disease that he has that involves the spinal cord. No cure. He has had numerous surgeries to stop the progression of the disease, but no cure. It destroys the spinal cord.

They will not give him any pain meds what so ever. Nothing has worked, they even went in to try to burn the nerves in his neck that leads to his arms to stop the pain, and it didn't work. And at this point he said he'd never take anything stronger then Motrin again..for pain....although we are hoping that our State will legalize MJ, right now we can't even obtain that with all the testing they do on him.

Camileyun said:

PennyPurple said:

No, he did not. He screams in pain, if he goes to sleep he wakes up screaming out in pain, and he takes a prescription sleeping pill(that the drug company has now said they will only pay for 15 a month, when there are at least 30 days in the month) Sometimes I look over at him and tears are streaming down his face.

It's the disease that he has that involves the spinal cord. No cure. He has had numerous surgeries to stop the progression of the disease, but no cure. It destroys the spinal cord.

They will not give him any pain meds what so ever. Nothing has worked, they even went in to try to burn the nerves in his neck that leads to his arms to stop the pain, and it didn't work. And at this point he said he'd never take anything stronger then Motrin again..for pain....although we are hoping that our State will legalize MJ, right now we can't even obtain that with all the testing they do on him.

Oh my, I'm so sorry...praying for relief! Have you looked into CBD oil, the part of MJ that helps with pain, etc.(no THC)?I believe it's legal in every state. [Edited 7/31/18 18:48pm]

Tried the CBD rub, but it didn't help. And some of the stronger bottles of CBD oil is a bit too expensive, for a tiny bottle.

PennyPurple said:

rednblue said:

With marijuana, do you mean that positive drug tests would create a problem for him? Sorry to be dense.

The situation you and your husband are in is beyond words. Just awful. I am so, so sorry, Penny.

Yes, he is on other medication that helps with nerve pain or supposed to, No Narcs though, I actually think he has built up a tolerance to that as well.

The spinal cord problem is starting to deal fits with his heart now, so we are battling that and really don't need an illegal substance in his blood or we'd really be in more trouble. If it's made legal, he might just have to try it.

His heart taking hits. After already going through so much.

Hope some form of marijuana is soon obtainable and able to help.

Holding your hearts in our hearts.

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SkipperLove said:

I have been skimming the files..just didn't see it.

PennyPurple said:

It's in the phone records, look it up if you want proof.

I don't mind looking things up for people when I have the time, but I'm getting tired of people not looking this stuff up on their own. No offense.

It's in KJ's phone records. We questioned why Sheila was calling KJ at 2 in the morning when the records 1st came out. don't remember if they made contact but she did call him.....

rednblue said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes, he is on other medication that helps with nerve pain or supposed to, No Narcs though, I actually think he has built up a tolerance to that as well.

The spinal cord problem is starting to deal fits with his heart now, so we are battling that and really don't need an illegal substance in his blood or we'd really be in more trouble. If it's made legal, he might just have to try it.

His heart taking hits. After already going through so much.

Hope some form of marijuana is soon obtainable and able to help.

Holding your hearts in our hearts.

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Oh thank you, that's so sweet.

SkipperLove said:

I have been skimming the files..just didn't see it.

PennyPurple said:

It's in the phone records, look it up if you want proof.

I don't mind looking things up for people when I have the time, but I'm getting tired of people not looking this stuff up on their own. No offense.

Zipfile 5 Telephone Records page 8, Sheila TEXTED, sorry not called. KJ at 2;;35am on 4/21.

Prince DEA pdfs:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4623913/Prince-DEA-Files.pdf

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I want to thank Penny Purple for linking the reports. I had them downloaded on my old computer. I was having trouble downloading on my new one. So, I was able to skim them again.

Also, I want to wish her husband and herself the best. God Bless.

Reading through the files again, a couple things occurred to me. Why is it that no earlier personal assistants who arranged for doctors can remember any of the doctors' names?? THey remember a chiropractor but never the doctors. That seemed odd. Even the lady who quit because she didn't want to get Prince Dr. FeelGood appointments couldn't remember the doctor's names. (her name is escaping me right now)

Not necessarily a red flag, but Meron's home was the hotel? Who lives in a hotel full-time? ALso the hotel was where packages sometimes were sent...including "vitamin boxes".

Kiran seems odd to me too because she claims that he had his naked incident in 2007 when she was just getting on board (but she didn't become his manager until 2008-2014) and she said that she only ever got him doctors for B12 injections and never noticed drug usage. But then again, she arranged for the investigators to talk to Mariah and the other lady who stated that everyone knew about P's addiction. Okay, wait a minute, Kiran worked out of Europe and TUrks and Caico's so she probably got less on-the-sight Paisley Park contact and she might have just gotten her dates mixed up or spoke out of turn about the year being 2007. Still her statements about Prince never carrying anything on his own make little sense either because he was carrying bags in 2011 in this picture. Sounds like folks trying to state more than they really know and getting their dates and info a bit wrong in order to throw later employees they don't like or trust under the bus.

Also, odd was the lack of follow-through on stuff that seemed to happen between Prince being dropped off and PP and his death..the stuff where Shaun Powell was concerned..along with Sheila texting early on the 21th before P's death was announced. I also believe people on here were discussing odd facebook/twitter posts from Meron the night before Prince's death was announced.. Omarr started the rumor about Shaun so I am not sure how truthful it is. But he did get the name right and it seemed to be obvious that the guy worked there. What if Prince did indeed die on late the 20th and was found? What if Shaun supplied the drugs? What if it was a suicide covered up? What is Sheila was told by someone that something had happened and was texting to see if he was okay? DOes Sheila have some kind of 6th sense or intuition? She texted that night/early morning at 2 am? Strange coincidence. I wonder if she heard something back in L.A. from someone in the know in MN?? Plus is there any reason to protect Shaun? Who is he? Was Omarr just pulling stuff out of his behind?

Another thing I missed the first time reading..PRince texted or discussed a chiropactor the day before his death (late that day/night). He emailed kirk and then changed his mind saying that it felt like his back went back into place. Maybe he was having some pain that night and he just desperately reached for whatever. Or maybe the pain just reminded him that without pills, his life would be consumed with pain. Maybe his chiropactor was his hookup? It might explain why Kirk had thought he had gotten all of P's drugs? Why didn't they follow up on Manuela's statement that Kirk claimed to have gotten rid of all the drugs/alchohol he could find. I agree when someone stated on her that a lot of weird things were not followed through on.

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Thanks. I appreciate your help.

PennyPurple said:

SkipperLove said:

I have been skimming the files..just didn't see it.

Zipfile 5 Telephone Records page 8, Sheila TEXTED, sorry not called. KJ at 2;;35am on 4/21.

PennyPurple said:

According to Crystal Z. Prince had a problem with drugs when she worked for him, and that is why she quit in 2012.

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Maybe it was back in the 80's. Maybe not. But it doesn't necessarily mean he was an addict yet. I find her attitude to be a bit weird in that interview and overall. She left the 2011 tour because he was acting loopy and she thought he was on something. But then states at the end of the interview that she would have tried to help him if she knew it had gotten that bad. Well, she didn't think drug usage over time would escalate? Well, what did she think--"If I leave, he'll eventually just stop?" Also, she talked to Kirk after the moline incident and just got a "he's fine--he's resting"?? (Does this mean Kirk didn't tell her about the drug overdose or he did and the "he's fine--he's resting" was enough to assure her that he was fine? and then she texted the night he died before anyone knew. So obviously she was thinking about him. They seemed to have reconciled in 2014 when she posted on facebook about it and she claims that she talked to him about 9 months before he died. . Maybe she thought at one point that he had gotten ahold of his drug usage and was taking better care of himself but then I would ask "what about the skinniness?" and "how could you not notice he looked like he did in 2015?. " I don't understand Sheila. I sense she was concerned, but wouldn't come around unless he asked. Then she regretted her passiveness about it later. A bit of revisionist history on her part. I sense she is covering up what was told to her after Molene..If not, I wonder why Kirk kept it from her especially since he was seeking out advice from others.

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What do you feel about the “back in the days” comment? I take that to mean the 80’s.

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SkipperLove said:

I am not an attorney, but wasn't there some way these three could have been compelled to testify?

If they took the fifth, in order not to incriminate themselves, what would that tell you?

1Sasha said:

I am not an attorney, but wasn't there some way these three could have been compelled to testify?

If they took the fifth, in order not to incriminate themselves, what would that tell you?

No. One of the Orgers who is an attorney, I believe it was Life is Just a Game, said they could not be compelled to testify

peggyon said:

1Sasha said:

I am not an attorney, but wasn't there some way these three could have been compelled to testify?

If they took the fifth, in order not to incriminate themselves, what would that tell you?

No. One of the Orgers who is an attorney, I believe it was Life is Just a Game, said they could not be compelled to testify

Thank you. Their silence confirms their complicity in my opinion.

1Sasha said:

peggyon said:

No. One of the Orgers who is an attorney, I believe it was Life is Just a Game, said they could not be compelled to testify

Thank you. Their silence confirms their complicity in my opinion.

I wonder if they are just protecting themselves from questions regarding the source of the pills?

1Sasha said:

Camileyun said:

1Sasha said:

I am not an attorney, but wasn't there some way these three could have been compelled to testify?

If they took the fifth, in order not to incriminate themselves, what would that tell you?

Basically, what they did was take the fifth...they left, lawyered up immediately and refused any further attempts to question them or to make statements. This was not helpful to the investigation and apparently that did not matter to them. [Edited 8/1/18 7:58am]

BUT it speaks volumes about what kind of people Prince surrounded himself with in the end. NO ONE FORCED him to go without proper, professional legal/ financial advisors; or property maintanance managers or a medical team that could deal with his pain and addiction. As someone posted previously, he had the resources and could have had them on his payroll to have been available 24/7.

And, sorry to say, but this pattern, these poor choices were characteristic of the way Prince always lived his life. The sadness and waste just became undeniable after Moline.

Didnt anyone notice Sister's post above??

DEA files have been released!!!!

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Everyone who is interested in Prince's dependence should take a few minutes and watch this Ted Talk.

https://www.ted.com/talks..._it#t-2327

Travis Rieder was in a motorcyle accident and almost lost his foot. After 6 months on oxycodone he tried to taper off opioids.

His symptoms are similar to Prince's after Moline.

Travis said he would get goose bumps in the sun, but then would sweat profusely. This is while he was still taking oxy but trying to taper off!

He said at one point he assumed he would die, and said if the symptoms did not stop he would commit suicide.

Travis said doctors are not equiped to help patients to get off opioids that are legally prescribed, and all of his doctors were not clear on whose job it was to help him get off opioids, or how to properly get him off opioids.

This video is gut wrentching and will make you feel more empathetic as to what Prince may have been going through.

Thank you SO much for this.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Camileyun said:

1Sasha said: Basically, what they did was take the fifth...they left, lawyered up immediately and refused any further attempts to question them or to make statements. This was not helpful to the investigation and apparently that did not matter to them. [Edited 8/1/18 7:58am]

BUT it speaks volumes about what kind of people Prince surrounded himself with in the end. NO ONE FORCED him to go without proper, professional legal/ financial advisors; or property maintanance managers or a medical team that could deal with his pain and addiction. As someone posted previously, he had the resources and could have had them on his payroll to have been available 24/7.

And, sorry to say, but this pattern, these poor choices were characteristic of the way Prince always lived his life. The sadness and waste just became undeniable after Moline.

I agree. I have been reading about the catalogues of other well-known musicians, ie., Bob Dylan, David Bowie etc. Most of them have surrounded themselves with professionals who have assisted with proper maintenance of their catalogues and other important creations.

And, there was a price Prince paid for his fighting with the music labels. Warners may not have been keen to assist with the preservation of his catalogue. This is not something I fully understand, but I know there was a price. Of course, Prince also seemed to be somewhat less than interested in properly caring for his prior work. Thank God, his creations are now being properly preserved.

SpinsterSister said:

Prince DEA pdfs:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4623913/Prince-DEA-Files.pdf

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Thank you!

https://assets.documentcl...-Files.pdf

DOB in the DEA files: 6/7/1959

Okay.

PennyPurple said:

SpinsterSister said:

Prince DEA pdfs:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4623913/Prince-DEA-Files.pdf

[Edited 7/31/18 20:17pm]

Thank you!

https://assets.documentcl...-Files.pdf

Basically, it appears that only his medical records from Moline are being released, and they have withheld the rest of the investigative files.

Camileyun said:

1Sasha said:

I am not an attorney, but wasn't there some way these three could have been compelled to testify?

If they took the fifth, in order not to incriminate themselves, what would that tell you?

Basically, what they did was take the fifth...they left, lawyered up immediately and refused any further attempts to question them or to make statements. This was not helpful to the investigation and apparently that did not matter to them. [Edited 8/1/18 7:58am]

It's very possible that some people who had Prince's best interests at heart, people who Prince valued as friends, did illegal things at P's request.

The best things to do for Prince, the best path to take, can be argued...but a person can be wrong about that and still have someone's best interests at heart. It's incredibly easy. For example, I make mistakes as a parent all the time. It's a tough job, LOL.

Don't you think Prince would have wanted such a person, a person whose friendship he valued, to be cautious and promptly get a lawyer?

I ask this of all who are are so upset with associates. Why is there so much energy to follow suspicions vs. so relatively little concern that Prince may well have been pained at the idea of something bad happening to someone he cared for?

There are many, many cases where U.S. drug policy has been anything but rational. Awful, highly disproportionate things have often happened to the "little guy" in the name of the U.S. war on drugs.

PennyPurple said:

No, he did not. He screams in pain, if he goes to sleep he wakes up screaming out in pain, and he takes a prescription sleeping pill(that the drug company has now said they will only pay for 15 a month, when there are at least 30 days in the month) Sometimes I look over at him and tears are streaming down his face.

It's the disease that he has that involves the spinal cord. No cure. He has had numerous surgeries to stop the progression of the disease, but no cure. It destroys the spinal cord.

They will not give him any pain meds what so ever. Nothing has worked, they even went in to try to burn the nerves in his neck that leads to his arms to stop the pain, and it didn't work. And at this point he said he'd never take anything stronger then Motrin again..for pain....although we are hoping that our State will legalize MJ, right now we can't even obtain that with all the testing they do on him.

This sounds awful, Penny. I read it this morning and had to stop and read on later as I could feel his pain and yours. I'm so sorry for what you're going through. I wish there was anything that could be done.


In general I was gonna say (and I know it is slightly OT again but I don't care) that you guys please all look after yourselves and your loved ones.

Last Saturday I met an old friend from school after almost 20 years. We updated each other on the people we are still in touch with and she told me that one of our friends died last year. He fell out the window.

It was such a shock, at first I didn't believe her. He and I shared a birthday, he was an artist, a designer and sooo gifted. I had last met him in 2011 when I had managed to organize a little meet-up after many years along with 2 of our best friends from school (which also happened to be the 2 people I had gone out with the night I first met P)

After I came home Saturday I had to message one of the 2 to ask if the terrible news was true and it was. And the story got worse - he had fallen out the window of the room that he had been preparing for his first child.

I hadn't seen or heard of him after 2011 and didn't even know he was married and/or about to be a dad.

I know it is impossible to always stay in touch with people but it really made me see again how quickly it can be over. This and my mother's death anniversary yesterday... it wasn't an easy week so far.

Please take good care of yourselves.

Ok from the DEA files page 40. It looks like the medications they gave was the sodium chloride which would probably be the IV.

THEN

Does it look like they gave him percocet? For pain, when he didn't complain of any pain? Did they give him a script??

CatB said:

This sounds awful, Penny. I read it this morning and had to stop and read on later as I could feel his pain and yours. I'm so sorry for what you're going through. I wish there was anything that could be done.


In general I was gonna say (and I know it is slightly OT again but I don't care) that you guys please all look after yourselves and your loved ones.

Last Saturday I met an old friend from school after almost 20 years. We updated each other on the people we are still in touch with and she told me that one of our friends died last year. He fell out the window.

It was such a shock, at first I didn't believe her. He and I shared a birthday, he was an artist, a designer and sooo gifted. I had last met him in 2011 when I had managed to organize a little meet-up after many years along with 2 of our best friends from school (which also happened to be the 2 people I had gone out with the night I first met P)

After I came home Saturday I had to message one of the 2 to ask if the terrible news was true and it was. And the story got worse - he had fallen out the window of the room that he had been preparing for his first child.

I hadn't seen or heard of him after 2011 and didn't even know he was married and/or about to be a dad.

I know it is impossible to always stay in touch with people but it really made me see again how quickly it can be over. This and my mother's death anniversary yesterday... it wasn't an easy week so far.

Please take good care of yourselves.

Was thinking of your post about your mother while starting to read your response here, and our thoughts came together at the end. Life can be unbelievably cruel.

I'm often terrible about staying in touch. Too easy to fall into that, especially with the way life can make us feel like we will drown in a sea of mundane, and not so mundane, details.

People doing things like organizing that get together you mentioned...so precious. To me, things like that, things where people reach out and embrace one another, are the flip side to life's cruelties.