Bodhitheblackdog said:

peggyon said:

Let's stop blaming others. I acutally feel sorry for Kirk as he had been through this before and he tried to find help. Judith had known him for a short time. She was not his caretaker, he was a grown man who likely had a long-term problem with opiates. He needed a team of professionals. She was way in over her head, as ANY of us would be. Meron was 23...I had very little judgement at that age.

Prince put all of them in that untenable position. He needed a professional intervention.

co-sign...I am considerably older than most of the people who surrounded Prince, with a LOT of diverse life experiences, and when confronted with someone who needed this type of medical/psychological support and treatment I was totally out of my league. Didn't really know where to start, how to 'honor' my friends' privacy or boundaries while protecting my own emotional health, and how to deal rationally and productively with someone who clearly was not thinking, reasoning or behaving in a normal/healthy way. I have compassion for the enablers but I regret and have distain for the time they all wasted, all the times they averted their eyes, their 'willful ignorance' about what was going on with him...their willingness to kick the can down the road and let someone else, anyone else, deal with him....they used him, until they used him all up.

I think Phaedra could have intervened sooner. Meron was too young, Kirk was trying but somewhat "limited." Maybe they had tried to "reach" Prince before and failed. I bet there were stories about Prince's unwillingness to respond to inquires about his drug use. They likely learned to tread carefully and gingerly. unforntunately, Prince was not a guy who likely understood or believed in consequences. His life was built on "outside the box"/magical thinking. "If you believe it, it is true".

This kind of thinking is amazing when you are building your empire and need to be very single-minded. It becomes a problem when you continue to think you are "above" or "beyond" natural consequences. As a result, he was in a rapid downward spiral that no one could have stopped.

peggyon said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

co-sign...I am considerably older than most of the people who surrounded Prince, with a LOT of diverse life experiences, and when confronted with someone who needed this type of medical/psychological support and treatment I was totally out of my league. Didn't really know where to start, how to 'honor' my friends' privacy or boundaries while protecting my own emotional health, and how to deal rationally and productively with someone who clearly was not thinking, reasoning or behaving in a normal/healthy way. I have compassion for the enablers but I regret and have distain for the time they all wasted, all the times they averted their eyes, their 'willful ignorance' about what was going on with him...their willingness to kick the can down the road and let someone else, anyone else, deal with him....they used him, until they used him all up.

I think Phaedra could have intervened sooner. Meron was too young, Kirk was trying but somewhat "limited." Maybe they had tried to "reach" Prince before and failed. I bet there were stories about Prince's unwillingness to respond to inquires about his drug use. They likely learned to tread carefully and gingerly. unforntunately, Prince was not a guy who likely understood or believed in consequences. His life was built on "outside the box"/magical thinking. "If you believe it, it is true".

This kind of thinking is amazing when you are building your empire and need to be very single-minded. It becomes a problem when you continue to think you are "above" or "beyond" natural consequences. As a result, he was in a rapid downward spiral that no one could have stopped.

outstanding summation...his Achillis Heel was that laser-focused determination to chart his own course and grade his own paper....unfortunately, the laser had a verry narrow range...like tunnel vision.

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I seriously doubt Prince was on pain killers continously. That's the scenerio that most here want to paint him. He was a VERY healthy man that took excellent care of himself which I have modeled myself after. He was NOT a pill popping freak.Like most are portraying him here.

As far as how he looked during the W2A tour? I was in COMPLETE awe! I attended several shows. He had guns and a six pack! KJ worked that body well! Which baffled me barely a year later. Prince had no bone density or muscle tone anymore. Couldn't understand how, why, or what happened so quickly. .

[Edited 7/31/18 12:13pm]

You closed your eyes to it, didn't you?

His drug problems date back to at least 2010. And really before that if one believes the rumor that is one of the reasons M2 got a divorce.

The 'scenerio that most here want to paint him'?? Nah, it's all in the files, we are just starting to put it all together.

co-sign....it's really all starting to come into focus, Penny...deep thanks for leading the charge and taking the flack.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

peggyon said:

I think Phaedra could have intervened sooner. Meron was too young, Kirk was trying but somewhat "limited." Maybe they had tried to "reach" Prince before and failed. I bet there were stories about Prince's unwillingness to respond to inquires about his drug use. They likely learned to tread carefully and gingerly. unforntunately, Prince was not a guy who likely understood or believed in consequences. His life was built on "outside the box"/magical thinking. "If you believe it, it is true".

This kind of thinking is amazing when you are building your empire and need to be very single-minded. It becomes a problem when you continue to think you are "above" or "beyond" natural consequences. As a result, he was in a rapid downward spiral that no one could have stopped.

outstanding summation...his Achillis Heel was that laser-focused determination to chart his own course and grade his own paper....unfortunately, the laser had a verry narrow range...like tunnel vision.

I still loved him, though. He created so much, wow, what a ride!

Thank you, Penny for posting those interviews and refreshing my memory about what Sheila discussed with KJ. Who else would tell her about P passing in his bedroom if not Meron. This was the day he died, she was going to go to the people who were there...she covered for Meron in her interview because she was being protective. In that case, it could very well be true!
[Edited 7/31/18 17:01pm]

Cut him a break. Its hard to have anything other than tunnel vision when one is addicted. Plus, I don't assume that he didn't understand the consequences. I think he couldn't face life after drug rehab and made excuses to keep doing what he was doing. HE was living in a bit of a bubble but he was still a grown man who knew that drugs killed rock stars all the time. Remember when he said he couldn't talk about MJ's drug-related death because it was too close to home. I am impressed with how hard he continued to work even with that problem. He was still striving to go out on top in my opinon (until maybe the last week.)

By the way, I don't believe MEron was too young to quit a job. Young folks don't have families to take care of (like Kirk and Phaedra did). I am not sure why I have less sympathy for her than the rest of them--maybe, because nothing in the files indicates that she tried to help him in any way and because I suspect she was more privy to the embarassing facts like enemas, petty cash etc.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

peggyon said:

I think Phaedra could have intervened sooner. Meron was too young, Kirk was trying but somewhat "limited." Maybe they had tried to "reach" Prince before and failed. I bet there were stories about Prince's unwillingness to respond to inquires about his drug use. They likely learned to tread carefully and gingerly. unforntunately, Prince was not a guy who likely understood or believed in consequences. His life was built on "outside the box"/magical thinking. "If you believe it, it is true".

This kind of thinking is amazing when you are building your empire and need to be very single-minded. It becomes a problem when you continue to think you are "above" or "beyond" natural consequences. As a result, he was in a rapid downward spiral that no one could have stopped.

outstanding summation...his Achillis Heel was that laser-focused determination to chart his own course and grade his own paper....unfortunately, the laser had a verry narrow range...like tunnel vision.

[Edited 7/31/18 17:17pm]

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Krystalkisses said:

ChocolateBox3121 said: Was KJ Prince's trainer? I have to say Prince looked amazing during W2A. It was kinda confusing because how does one workout while abusing painkillers?

I seriously doubt Prince was on pain killers continously. That's the scenerio that most here want to paint him. He was a VERY healthy man that took excellent care of himself which I have modeled myself after. He was NOT a pill popping freak.Like most are portraying him here.

As far as how he looked during the W2A tour? I was in COMPLETE awe! I attended several shows. He had guns and a six pack! KJ worked that body well! Which baffled me barely a year later. Prince had no bone density or muscle tone anymore. Couldn't understand how, why, or what happened so quickly. .

[Edited 7/31/18 12:13pm]

Much appreciate you sharing observations here!

In case it helps, I don't imagine Prince as a pill popping freak. Not at all. He struggled with a medical condition, and it sure does appear (as is the case with some others who struggle with addiction) that he wasn't always in crisis mode. Far from it. It appears that there were large periods of time when he was doing a whole lot better.

It seems like there are others here who also do not see Prince that way.

Another thing from the outside looking in is it seemed like Prince had some very healthy habits. Most of us aren't all one way or the other when it comes to health.

[Edited 7/31/18 17:27pm]

Camileyun said:

Thank you, Penny for posting those interviews and refreshing my memory about what Sheila discussed with KJ. Who else would tell her about P passing in his bedroom if not Meron. This was the day he died, she was going to go to the people who were there...she covered for Meron in her interview because she was being protective. In that case, it could very well be true! [Edited 7/31/18 17:01pm]

I just can't believe the KJ only provided 1 interview and it kept getting interrupted by his phone, said he'd come back and never did. Meron and Phaedra, never did.

They waited to call Sheila until January of 2017.

Everybody who was interviewed told them they need to contact Kirk, Phaedra, Meron. LE was told many times by different people.

Why didn't they check out the rumors that KJ cleaned and dressed P and moved him to the elevator. (Which I do NOT believe), or the rumor that 8 bags of shredded documents were being carried out?

BUT, those files that are sealed, why are they sealed? Maybe those people said that he had a drug problem and if that was confirmed, then yeah it would be an accidental overdose.

So it is looking like he had a drug problem over the years, I think he had episodes and then he wouldn't take them, but it seems to me since that hip surgery in 2010 that he didn't have an episode of drugs; it was continuous.

And what about the rumors over the years from his sister and I believe Duane, that he used coke? And then things that the drug dealer Dr. D said has basically been right.

Camileyun said:

Thank you, Penny for posting those interviews and refreshing my memory about what Sheila discussed with KJ. Who else would tell her about P passing in his bedroom if not Meron. This was the day he died, she was going to go to the people who were there...she covered for Meron in her interview because she was being protective. In that case, it could very well be true! [Edited 7/31/18 17:01pm]

Sheila talked to KJ several times, on 4/21 around 2 am she was calling KJ and this was before they even knew P had passed.

Omarr even stated that it was Sheila and KJ who planned the service.

I agree more than you know. I see this way. The seeds were planted for his destruction, but he still functioned quite admirably through much of his later years. His work ethic was always off the charts. His sense of humor never faltered. He was curious and creative. Even though he was a bit paranoid and over-religious and didn't use cell phones, he still socialized (on his own terms) ...I don't like the Howard Hughes like reputation some folks are giving him however. It is too simplistic. Yes, he only gave 15% of himself to any one person, but he still gave that 15% to a lot of people. He still enriched people's lives. I do think he was loved even though he exhausted, exasperated and confused folks. MOst of the time he was professional (except when he wasn't professional, but it wasn't all the time so therefore more noticable.)

rednblue said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I seriously doubt Prince was on pain killers continously. That's the scenerio that most here want to paint him. He was a VERY healthy man that took excellent care of himself which I have modeled myself after. He was NOT a pill popping freak.Like most are portraying him here.

As far as how he looked during the W2A tour? I was in COMPLETE awe! I attended several shows. He had guns and a six pack! KJ worked that body well! Which baffled me barely a year later. Prince had no bone density or muscle tone anymore. Couldn't understand how, why, or what happened so quickly. .

[Edited 7/31/18 12:13pm]

Much appreciate you sharing observations here!

In case it helps, I don't imagine Prince as a pill popping freak. Not at all. He struggled with a medical condition, and it sure does appear (as is the case with some others who struggle with addiction) that he wasn't always in crisis mode. Far from it. It appears that there were large periods of time when he was doing a whole lot better.

It seems like there are others here who also do not see Prince that way.

I don't remember any proof that SHeila called before Prince's death.

PennyPurple said:

Camileyun said:

Thank you, Penny for posting those interviews and refreshing my memory about what Sheila discussed with KJ. Who else would tell her about P passing in his bedroom if not Meron. This was the day he died, she was going to go to the people who were there...she covered for Meron in her interview because she was being protective. In that case, it could very well be true! [Edited 7/31/18 17:01pm]

Sheila talked to KJ several times, on 4/21 around 2 am she was calling KJ and this was before they even knew P had passed.

Omarr even stated that it was Sheila and KJ who planned the service.

SkipperLove said:

Cut him a break. Its hard to have anything other than tunnel vision when one is addicted. Plus, I don't assume that he didn't understand the consequences. I think he couldn't face life after drug rehab and made excuses to keep doing what he was doing. HE was living in a bit of a bubble but he was still a grown man who knew that drugs killed rock stars all the time. Remember when he said he couldn't talk about MJ's drug-related death because it was too close to home. I am impressed with how hard he continued to work even with that problem. He was still striving to go out on top in my opinon (until maybe the last week.)

By the way, I don't believe MEron was too young to quit a job. Young folks don't have families to take care of (like Kirk and Phaedra did). I am not sure why I have less sympathy for her than the rest of them--maybe, because nothing in the files indicates that she tried to help him in any way and because I suspect she was more privy to the embarassing facts like enemas, petty cash etc.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

outstanding summation...his Achillis Heel was that laser-focused determination to chart his own course and grade his own paper....unfortunately, the laser had a verry narrow range...like tunnel vision.

[Edited 7/31/18 17:17pm]

I have a daughter who is 24 and very mature. This fact is what informs me.I cannot imagine her coping with someone like Prince, who was an Icon, well-travelled, cultured. It would have been a dream job for her. She would not have had the life skills to know what to do with him. And she certainly would not have been equipped to deal with the enemas, drug addiction realities. I feel it is shameful of Prince to have hired such a young person for that job.

Yes, He was probably trying to go out on top, but he was in terrific denial.

[Edited 7/31/18 17:36pm]

PennyPurple said:

So, do you think Meron was lying to Sheila, or was Sheila lying to LE?

And let's be honest. 2 percocets, or 2 Tylenol #3, or 2 Vicoden, you aren't going to OD on. I would imagine you would have to probably take 8+ pills of any of those 3 to fatally OD, and probably even an entire bottle.

Now the Morphone that was in his system to me is a lot more dangerous then the 3 drugs above. Why wasn't his drug of choice the oxycontin, but I believe Fentanyl is more powerful then the oxy.? But I don't know that for sure.

My hubby couldn't take the fentanyl (thank goodness) it made him high as heck. They put him on oxycontin, he would build up a tolerance and the Dr would just up his dose. We tried pain Drs, time and time again, went thru injections, botox, blocks, nothing helped. Finally found a pain Dr. who explained to us, that his body had become tolerant and his dose was so high right now, that it couldn't be upped, and that actually with the body being tolerant the oxy was just like candy and not doing anything at all to help the pain. So after a very long process, he was weaned off. It wasn't helping hubby's pain, but his body had to have it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, these pain people become addicted to the stuff and can't get off and it's caused a crisis and now comes the street drugs. I only wish that P would've opened up to a Dr and told him...hey this is what happened, I had hip surgery and now I can't get off the pills. And any Dr would've helped him, and not a single soul outside of him and the Dr. would've known. He could've even had a Dr set up in PP like MJ did 24/7 to wean P off of this stuff.

His death didn't have to happen.

SkipperLove said:

I don't remember any proof that SHeila called before Prince's death.

PennyPurple said:

Sheila talked to KJ several times, on 4/21 around 2 am she was calling KJ and this was before they even knew P had passed.

Omarr even stated that it was Sheila and KJ who planned the service.

It's in the phone records, look it up if you want proof.

I don't mind looking things up for people when I have the time, but I'm getting tired of people not looking this stuff up on their own. No offense.

Camileyun said:

PennyPurple said:

I just can't believe the KJ only provided 1 interview and it kept getting interrupted by his phone, said he'd come back and never did. Meron and Phaedra, never did.

They waited to call Sheila until January of 2017.

Everybody who was interviewed told them they need to contact Kirk, Phaedra, Meron. LE was told many times by different people.

Why didn't they check out the rumors that KJ cleaned and dressed P and moved him to the elevator. (Which I do NOT believe), or the rumor that 8 bags of shredded documents were being carried out?

BUT, those files that are sealed, why are they sealed? Maybe those people said that he had a drug problem and if that was confirmed, then yeah it would be an accidental overdose.

So it is looking like he had a drug problem over the years, I think he had episodes and then he wouldn't take them, but it seems to me since that hip surgery in 2010 that he didn't have an episode of drugs; it was continuous.

And what about the rumors over the years from his sister and I believe Duane, that he used coke? And then things that the drug dealer Dr. D said has basically been right.

So, do you think Meron was lying to Sheila, or was Sheila lying to LE?

I don't know if Meron talked to Sheila, but KJ did.

PennyPurple said:

And let's be honest. 2 percocets, or 2 Tylenol #3, or 2 Vicoden, you aren't going to OD on. I would imagine you would have to probably take 8+ pills of any of those 3 to fatally OD, and probably even an entire bottle.

Now the Morphone that was in his system to me is a lot more dangerous then the 3 drugs above. Why wasn't his drug of choice the oxycontin, but I believe Fentanyl is more powerful then the oxy.? But I don't know that for sure.

My hubby couldn't take the fentanyl (thank goodness) it made him high as heck. They put him on oxycontin, he would build up a tolerance and the Dr would just up his dose. We tried pain Drs, time and time again, went thru injections, botox, blocks, nothing helped. Finally found a pain Dr. who explained to us, that his body had become tolerant and his dose was so high right now, that it couldn't be upped, and that actually with the body being tolerant the oxy was just like candy and not doing anything at all to help the pain. So after a very long process, he was weaned off. It wasn't helping hubby's pain, but his body had to have it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, these pain people become addicted to the stuff and can't get off and it's caused a crisis and now comes the street drugs. I only wish that P would've opened up to a Dr and told him...hey this is what happened, I had hip surgery and now I can't get off the pills. And any Dr would've helped him, and not a single soul outside of him and the Dr. would've known. He could've even had a Dr set up in PP like MJ did 24/7 to wean P off of this stuff.

His death didn't have to happen.

Penny, if you don't mind my asking, did your husband ever find something that could lessen his pain?

[Edited 7/31/18 18:01pm]

[Edited 7/31/18 18:06pm]

rednblue said:

PennyPurple said:

And let's be honest. 2 percocets, or 2 Tylenol #3, or 2 Vicoden, you aren't going to OD on. I would imagine you would have to probably take 8+ pills of any of those 3 to fatally OD, and probably even an entire bottle.

Now the Morphone that was in his system to me is a lot more dangerous then the 3 drugs above. Why wasn't his drug of choice the oxycontin, but I believe Fentanyl is more powerful then the oxy.? But I don't know that for sure.

My hubby couldn't take the fentanyl (thank goodness) it made him high as heck. They put him on oxycontin, he would build up a tolerance and the Dr would just up his dose. We tried pain Drs, time and time again, went thru injections, botox, blocks, nothing helped. Finally found a pain Dr. who explained to us, that his body had become tolerant and his dose was so high right now, that it couldn't be upped, and that actually with the body being tolerant the oxy was just like candy and not doing anything at all to help the pain. So after a very long process, he was weaned off. It wasn't helping hubby's pain, but his body had to have it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, these pain people become addicted to the stuff and can't get off and it's caused a crisis and now comes the street drugs. I only wish that P would've opened up to a Dr and told him...hey this is what happened, I had hip surgery and now I can't get off the pills. And any Dr would've helped him, and not a single soul outside of him and the Dr. would've known. He could've even had a Dr set up in PP like MJ did 24/7 to wean P off of this stuff.

His death didn't have to happen.

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Penny, if you don't mind my asking, did your husband ever find something that could lessen his pain?

No, he did not. He screams in pain, if he goes to sleep he wakes up screaming out in pain, and he takes a prescription sleeping pill(that the drug company has now said they will only pay for 15 a month, when there are at least 30 days in the month) Sometimes I look over at him and tears are streaming down his face.

It's the disease that he has that involves the spinal cord. No cure. He has had numerous surgeries to stop the progression of the disease, but no cure. It destroys the spinal cord.

They will not give him any pain meds what so ever. Nothing has worked, they even went in to try to burn the nerves in his neck that leads to his arms to stop the pain, and it didn't work. And at this point he said he'd never take anything stronger then Motrin again..for pain....although we are hoping that our State will legalize MJ, right now we can't even obtain that with all the testing they do on him.

PennyPurple said:

rednblue said:

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Penny, if you don't mind my asking, did your husband ever find something that could lessen his pain?

No, he did not. He screams in pain, if he goes to sleep he wakes up screaming out in pain, and he takes a prescription sleeping pill(that the drug company has now said they will only pay for 15 a month, when there are at least 30 days in the month) Sometimes I look over at him and tears are streaming down his face.

It's the disease that he has that involves the spinal cord. No cure. He has had numerous surgeries to stop the progression of the disease, but no cure. It destroys the spinal cord.

They will not give him any pain meds what so ever. Nothing has worked, they even went in to try to burn the nerves in his neck that leads to his arms to stop the pain, and it didn't work. And at this point he said he'd never take anything stronger then Motrin again..for pain....although we are hoping that our State will legalize MJ, right now we can't even obtain that with all the testing they do on him.

I'm really sorry, Penny. Both of you are going through so much. Give our love to your husband.

PennyPurple said:

rednblue said:

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Penny, if you don't mind my asking, did your husband ever find something that could lessen his pain?

No, he did not. He screams in pain, if he goes to sleep he wakes up screaming out in pain, and he takes a prescription sleeping pill(that the drug company has now said they will only pay for 15 a month, when there are at least 30 days in the month) Sometimes I look over at him and tears are streaming down his face.

It's the disease that he has that involves the spinal cord. No cure. He has had numerous surgeries to stop the progression of the disease, but no cure. It destroys the spinal cord.

They will not give him any pain meds what so ever. Nothing has worked, they even went in to try to burn the nerves in his neck that leads to his arms to stop the pain, and it didn't work. And at this point he said he'd never take anything stronger then Motrin again..for pain....although we are hoping that our State will legalize MJ, right now we can't even obtain that with all the testing they do on him.

With marijuana, do you mean that positive drug tests would create a problem for him? Sorry to be dense.

The situation you and your husband are in is beyond words. Just awful. I am so, so sorry, Penny.

peggyon said:

PennyPurple said:

No, he did not. He screams in pain, if he goes to sleep he wakes up screaming out in pain, and he takes a prescription sleeping pill(that the drug company has now said they will only pay for 15 a month, when there are at least 30 days in the month) Sometimes I look over at him and tears are streaming down his face.

It's the disease that he has that involves the spinal cord. No cure. He has had numerous surgeries to stop the progression of the disease, but no cure. It destroys the spinal cord.

They will not give him any pain meds what so ever. Nothing has worked, they even went in to try to burn the nerves in his neck that leads to his arms to stop the pain, and it didn't work. And at this point he said he'd never take anything stronger then Motrin again..for pain....although we are hoping that our State will legalize MJ, right now we can't even obtain that with all the testing they do on him.

I'm really sorry, Penny. Both of you are going through so much. Give our love to your husband.

Thanks Peggy. We've battled this for a loong time.

There was no way Kirk or anyone else knew his pills were full of POISON. I would like to hear your scenario of what Kirk should have done to save Prince from the POISON.

What could any of them have done after he said “you’re fired, get out of my house”?
[Edited 7/31/18 18:41pm]

This is a link to new documents from the DEA:

https://kstp.com/news/new...465/?cat=1

rednblue said:

PennyPurple said:

No, he did not. He screams in pain, if he goes to sleep he wakes up screaming out in pain, and he takes a prescription sleeping pill(that the drug company has now said they will only pay for 15 a month, when there are at least 30 days in the month) Sometimes I look over at him and tears are streaming down his face.

It's the disease that he has that involves the spinal cord. No cure. He has had numerous surgeries to stop the progression of the disease, but no cure. It destroys the spinal cord.

They will not give him any pain meds what so ever. Nothing has worked, they even went in to try to burn the nerves in his neck that leads to his arms to stop the pain, and it didn't work. And at this point he said he'd never take anything stronger then Motrin again..for pain....although we are hoping that our State will legalize MJ, right now we can't even obtain that with all the testing they do on him.

With marijuana, do you mean that positive drug tests would create a problem for him? Sorry to be dense.

The situation you and your husband are in is beyond words. Just awful. I am so, so sorry, Penny.

Yes, he is on other medication that helps with nerve pain or supposed to, No Narcs though, I actually think he has built up a tolerance to that as well.

The spinal cord problem is starting to deal fits with his heart now, so we are battling that and really don't need an illegal substance in his blood or we'd really be in more trouble. If it's made legal, he might just have to try it.

muchtoofast said:

There was no way Kirk or anyone else knew his pills were full of POISON. I would like to hear your scenario of what Kirk should have done to save Prince from the POISON. What could any of them have done after he said “you’re fired, get out of my house”? [Edited 7/31/18 18:41pm]

I don't know if KJ knew or not, but IMO Prince knew about the fentanyl. The pills I still don't understand is the lidocaine.

PennyPurple said:

Oh my, I'm so sorry...praying for relief! Have you looked into CBD oil, the part of MJ that helps with pain, etc.(no THC)?I believe it's legal in every state.

[Edited 7/31/18 18:48pm]

2004Fan said:

This is a link to new documents from the DEA:

https://kstp.com/news/new...465/?cat=1

Thanks for the link, but this is really not anything new. It's all in the documents.

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

I'm really sorry, Penny. Both of you are going through so much. Give our love to your husband.

Thanks Peggy. We've battled this for a loong time.

With so much going on, you are very generous with the Org

Shameful? Okay? Young people have options, choices that the rest of us don't. They don't have to schedule in time for their kids, husbands or family. I know I am being hard. As for Prince being in denial..he knew drugs could kill people; I just don't know if he wanted to stop so he made excuses (narcon, cannola oil).

peggyon said:

SkipperLove said:

Cut him a break. Its hard to have anything other than tunnel vision when one is addicted. Plus, I don't assume that he didn't understand the consequences. I think he couldn't face life after drug rehab and made excuses to keep doing what he was doing. HE was living in a bit of a bubble but he was still a grown man who knew that drugs killed rock stars all the time. Remember when he said he couldn't talk about MJ's drug-related death because it was too close to home. I am impressed with how hard he continued to work even with that problem. He was still striving to go out on top in my opinon (until maybe the last week.)

By the way, I don't believe MEron was too young to quit a job. Young folks don't have families to take care of (like Kirk and Phaedra did). I am not sure why I have less sympathy for her than the rest of them--maybe, because nothing in the files indicates that she tried to help him in any way and because I suspect she was more privy to the embarassing facts like enemas, petty cash etc.

[Edited 7/31/18 17:17pm]

I have a daughter who is 24 and very mature. This fact is what informs me.I cannot imagine her coping with someone like Prince, who was an Icon, well-travelled, cultured. It would have been a dream job for her. She would not have had the life skills to know what to do with him. And she certainly would not have been equipped to deal with the enemas, drug addiction realities. I feel it is shameful of Prince to have hired such a young person for that job.

Yes, He was probably trying to go out on top, but he was in terrific denial.

[Edited 7/31/18 17:36pm]

I have been skimming the files..just didn't see it.

PennyPurple said:

SkipperLove said:

I don't remember any proof that SHeila called before Prince's death.

It's in the phone records, look it up if you want proof.

I don't mind looking things up for people when I have the time, but I'm getting tired of people not looking this stuff up on their own. No offense.