Prince's Death Investigation: Part 12

Reply #511 posted 07/30/18 12:10pm

ThatWhiteDude

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Camileyun said:
ThatWhiteDude said:

So it's possible that JH supplied him with the pills? Also, I think it's kinda stupid from the police to ignore thing with these other artists dying when she was working with them.

Anything's possible, that's the problem. And for all we know, they could be watching her and others. [Edited 7/30/18 12:08pm]

I really hope they do

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Reply #512 posted 07/30/18 12:20pm

ChocolateBox3121 said:

precioux said:

yes, it is a fact that opiates kill libido. In regards to libido enhancing prescriptions, none were found but they did find bottles of testosterone enhancing supplements. This was commented on when the docs/pics first came out

Most men need a testosterone refill when they get older. It's really no big deal for Prince to have that or even out of the ordinary.

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Reply #513 posted 07/30/18 12:27pm

SkipperLove said:

Fine, she didn't say anything publically or to the media. But she wasn't putting on a performance for some random ambulance driver or the stewardess/pilots of the rented plane etc. Her reactions were consistently described as frazzled and upset. NOt all of her actions after P's overdose make sense to us with our limited knowledge of the circumstances and P's weird relationship scenarios, but all the behaviors during the ordeal as described by people who were there do make sense.

precioux said:

...that stayed mum.

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Huh?-No JH did speak to the media and gave interviews. What I'm talking about is during the ambulance ride and triage at moline, everyone interviewed said JH stayed mum- KJ even spoke for her in the ambulancce, IIRC and KJ told them something along the lines of 'she doesn't know anything'.

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Reply #514 posted 07/30/18 12:36pm

Camileyun

precioux said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Camileyun said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: While we're on the subject (and I'm just throwing possibilities out there) how do we know a certain someone wasn't bringing the drugs from LA from Ps former connection, or whomever, just to stay in his good graces, and the freak out in the ambulance was more about possibly getting caught? When KJ asked P.where he got the drugs, he didn't want to rat her out in front of her. Going to the police and acting like a bimbo was just to cover her ass. She would hang out with P in his bedroom. Did she ever go in his bathroom and see his cache of enemas? The subject never came up during their 4am excursions to the store? Why was P keeping her around if he was celibate? For her witty repartee, like in the transcript? Just a thought, now I'll duck.

No need to duck, you're on to something very important, it makes perfect sense....his supplier was 'hiding' in plain sight, flying in every 2 weeks...the 'girlfriend' thing was a cover (she stayed in a hotel, remember? what girlfriend does that? PP wasn't big enough for both of them? there were no guest rooms there?)...no one ever believed he had a thing going on with her, def not his type and there's the celibacy thing and BTW, he was an opioid addict...not great for the libido. And then the icing on the cake: he OD's...and she's outta there...looking out for #1.

re: gf- when JH was asked by detectives 'what side of the bed she slept on'....she couldn't answer that straight. Sorry, that's a question that should be able to be answered immediately.

Great point, and I bet that is why they asked her that question - to find out if what she was saying was true.

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Reply #515 posted 07/30/18 12:37pm

SO, she couldn't be upset because she actually LIKED Prince??? Is that not a possibility? We know Prince was imperfect, compartmentalized, secretive, demanding etc. But he was also charming, immensely talented, warm, and funny. We don't always do right by the folks we like/love. Relationships are complicated. Relationships with ultra complex and secretive musical legends are probably even more complicated. I don't even know Prince and I was devastated by his death. Why wouldn't they be? Judith is not perfect, probably a bit exploitative, but she is also a musician who loves her work and in some ways probably loves Prince through his work. Their relationship doesn't make sense to us, but I reckon a part of that reeason was because Prince himself didn't always make sense. I wouldn't have put it past Prince to make his privacy one of the terms of their relationship. I wouldn't put it past Prince to insist that it be between the two of them and not escalate to sex immediately (stories about preferring to brush women's hair and watch them bath over SEX do exist).

We have no evidence whatsoever that this woman was a drug dealer, so I chose not to speculate that she was one.

Camileyun said:
SkipperLove said:

Fine, she didn't say anything publically or to the media. But she wasn't putting on a performance for some random ambulance driver or the stewardess/pilots of the rented plane etc. Her reactions were consistently described as frazzled and upset. NOt all of her actions after P's overdose make sense to us with our limited knowledge of the circumstances and P's weird relationship scenarios, but all the behaviors during the ordeal as described by people who were there do make sense.

Very true. Surely she was upset about what happened, what a traumatic thing to witness, and made worse if you had something to do with it! Just a possibility.

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Reply #516 posted 07/30/18 12:44pm

I was referring to the fact that she did not talk to the media the days after his overdose in Molene. But even if she didn't talk in Molene or in the ambulance, she was visually upset. Maybe she didn't know much and Kirk was in "protect-Prince's-privacy" mode. Judith was even freaking out that the triage people weren't getting there quick enough and Kirk fearing that they were running out of time (due to the gurney not fitting in the plane) carried him down to the paramedics. No one wanted him dead or didn't give a crap if he lived or died. They could have just taken their time. Because of her, they took that plane down in 15 minutes.

precioux said:

SkipperLove said:

Fine, she didn't say anything publically or to the media. But she wasn't putting on a performance for some random ambulance driver or the stewardess/pilots of the rented plane etc. Her reactions were consistently described as frazzled and upset. NOt all of her actions after P's overdose make sense to us with our limited knowledge of the circumstances and P's weird relationship scenarios, but all the behaviors during the ordeal as described by people who were there do make sense.

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Huh?-No JH did speak to the media and gave interviews. What I'm talking about is during the ambulance ride and triage at moline, everyone interviewed said JH stayed mum- KJ even spoke for her in the ambulancce, IIRC and KJ told them something along the lines of 'she doesn't know anything'.

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Reply #517 posted 07/30/18 12:47pm

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Camileyun said:
ChocolateBox3121 said: Absolutely, it just doesn't fit with the whole celibacy claim, but we don't know how long it was lying around, either.

Testosterone supplements aren't just used for libido. It's a strength & muscle tone enhancer also used by body builders. Which I'm sure helped keep Prince in TIP TOP shape when he was on the W2A tour after being trained by KJ.

well my dear, if that's what he was using it for, I hate to tell ya, but it wasn't working. It's a medical fact that opiates kill the libido, point blank end of story. What was being discussed is the assumption that no Viagra was found at PP and I simply pointed out that Testosterone supplements were found and photographed. You can try to argue the point that testosterone is also used as a muscle enhancer (the love muscle?) but we all know what P's physical shape was at the end of his life, and if you think these were 'leftover' from the W2A tour- God bless you. I'll go with my instinct on this one and you can keep your head where it usually is. lol

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Reply #518 posted 07/30/18 12:49pm

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I've read that Judith was so despondent that she couldn't get out of bed and I believe her parents even flew into where ever Judith lives to be with her.

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Reply #519 posted 07/30/18 12:51pm

SkipperLove	I read that as well. Criticizing a woman because she left him alone is one thing. Jumping into drug dealer speculation is too much for me to swallow. PennyPurple said: I've read that Judith was so despondent that she couldn't get out of bed and I believe her parents even flew into where ever Judith lives to be with her.
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Reply #520 posted 07/30/18 12:52pm

Camileyun

SkipperLove said:

We have no evidence whatsoever that this woman was a drug dealer, so I chose not to speculate that she was one.

Camileyun said:

SkipperLove said:

Fine, she didn't say anything publically or to the media. But she wasn't putting on a performance for some random ambulance driver or the stewardess/pilots of the rented plane etc. Her reactions were consistently described as frazzled and upset. NOt all of her actions after P's overdose make sense to us with our limited knowledge of the circumstances and P's weird relationship scenarios, but all the behaviors during the ordeal as described by people who were there do make sense.

Very true. Surely she was upset about what happened, what a traumatic thing to witness, and made worse if you had something to do with it! Just a possibility.

As I said, I'm sure she was very upset, even traumatized by what happened, and, I believe she did care for P. My point was that her freaking out could have ALSO included a component of guilt. I'm also not inferring she knew what was in those pills. And, while I wouldn't go as far to say she was a drug dealer, there is a possibility she hooked up with one for P. He was very convincing and his hands hurt or whatever else he told her so she could justify doing this for him. You're right, the only evidence we have are her words and actions and we are just speculating. Now, I'll get back in my box. boxed

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Reply #521 posted 07/30/18 12:53pm

The truth is that no one knows prince's sex life but Prince and whomever he was with. Maybe he was getting back on the horse again, maybe he was getting off the horse again. Maybe its left over stuff.

precioux said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Testosterone supplements aren't just used for libido. It's a strength & muscle tone enhancer also used by body builders. Which I'm sure helped keep Prince in TIP TOP shape when he was on the W2A tour after being trained by KJ.

well my dear, if that's what he was using it for, I hate to tell ya, but it wasn't working. It's a medical fact that opiates kill the libido, point blank end of story. What was being discussed is the assumption that no Viagra was found at PP and I simply pointed out that Testosterone supplements were found and photographed. You can try to argue the point that testosterone is also used as a muscle enhancer (the love muscle?) but we all know what P's physical shape was at the end of his life, and if you think these were 'leftover' from the W2A tour- God bless you. I'll go with my instinct on this one and you can keep your head where it usually is.

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Reply #522 posted 07/30/18 12:55pm

PennyPurple said:

I've read that Judith was so despondent that she couldn't get out of bed and I believe her parents even flew into where ever Judith lives to be with her.

Maybe because this was the 3rd entertainer to pass while she was within their inner circle? It's either really fishy, or the girl has really bad luck. It doesn't sway my opinion either way, I've made up my mind a long time ago on what my thought on the whole situation is. It is good to discuss possibilities, though.

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Reply #523 posted 07/30/18 1:05pm

The circumstances of their deaths were quite different really. MJ and Prince resemble each other the most but they are still quite different. I bet there are other musicians who worked with Natalie, Prince and MJ in the last ten years. She wasn't in MJ's inner circle. She barely knew him. Judith has an old school singing style and sound. Workng with old school musicians makes sense.

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

I've read that Judith was so despondent that she couldn't get out of bed and I believe her parents even flew into where ever Judith lives to be with her.

Maybe because this was the 3rd entertainer to pass while she was within their inner circle? It's either really fishy, or the girl has really bad luck. It doesn't sway my opinion either way, I've made up my mind a long time ago on what my thought on the whole situation is. It is good to discuss possibilities, though.

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Reply #524 posted 07/30/18 1:06pm

CatB	PennyPurple said: precioux said: Don't let that fool you- she's a black widow X3. MJ, Prince and I forgot who the other one was. In the Bible Judith (female form of 'Judah'...) was called "the widow". Can I ask when JH first showed up in his life? "Time is space spent with U"
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Reply #525 posted 07/30/18 1:07pm

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precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

I've read that Judith was so despondent that she couldn't get out of bed and I believe her parents even flew into where ever Judith lives to be with her.

Maybe because this was the 3rd entertainer to pass while she was within their inner circle? It's either really fishy, or the girl has really bad luck. It doesn't sway my opinion either way, I've made up my mind a long time ago on what my thought on the whole situation is. It is good to discuss possibilities, though.

If you add Natalie Cole into the mix, maybe it's the 4th. biggrin

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Reply #526 posted 07/30/18 1:11pm

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

Maybe because this was the 3rd entertainer to pass while she was within their inner circle? It's either really fishy, or the girl has really bad luck. It doesn't sway my opinion either way, I've made up my mind a long time ago on what my thought on the whole situation is. It is good to discuss possibilities, though.

If you add Natalie Cole into the mix, maybe it's the 4th.

Penny = stirthepot

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Reply #527 posted 07/30/18 1:11pm

SkipperLove	Two years before his death. Well, stay away from Judith Light (Who's the boss), Judge Judy, Judith Kranz, and the ghosts of Judy COllins and Judy Garland then. CatB said: PennyPurple said: X3. MJ, Prince and I forgot who the other one was. In the Bible Judith (female form of 'Judah'...) was called "the widow". Can I ask when JH first showed up in his life? [Edited 7/30/18 13:12pm]
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Reply #528 posted 07/30/18 1:16pm

CatB	SkipperLove said: Two years before his death. Well, stay away from Judith Light (Who's the boss), Judge Judy, Judith Kranz, and the ghosts of Judy COllins and Judy Garland then. CatB said: In the Bible Judith (female form of 'Judah'...) was called "the widow". Can I ask when JH first showed up in his life? [Edited 7/30/18 13:12pm] "Time is space spent with U"
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Reply #529 posted 07/30/18 1:25pm

Camileyun	CatB said: SkipperLove said: Two years before his death. Well, stay away from Judith Light (Who's the boss), Judge Judy, Judith Kranz, and the ghosts of Judy COllins and Judy Garland then. CatB said: In the Bible Judith (female form of 'Judah'...) was called "the widow". Can I ask when JH first showed up in his life? [Edited 7/30/18 13:12pm]
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Reply #530 posted 07/30/18 1:31pm

precioux	CatB said: PennyPurple said: X3. MJ, Prince and I forgot who the other one was. In the Bible Judith (female form of 'Judah'...) was called "the widow". Can I ask when JH first showed up in his life? MAYBE that's who Appolonia was referencing as the 'Jublitant Judah/as' [Edited 7/30/18 13:32pm]
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Reply #531 posted 07/30/18 1:40pm

Camileyun	precioux said: CatB said: PennyPurple said: X3. MJ, Prince and I forgot who the other one was. In the Bible Judith (female form of 'Judah'...) was called "the widow". Can I ask when JH first showed up in his life? MAYBE that's who Appolonia was referencing as the 'Jublitant Judah/as' [Edited 7/30/18 13:32pm]
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Reply #532 posted 07/30/18 2:55pm

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precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

I've read that Judith was so despondent that she couldn't get out of bed and I believe her parents even flew into where ever Judith lives to be with her.

Maybe because this was the 3rd entertainer to pass while she was within their inner circle? It's either really fishy, or the girl has really bad luck. It doesn't sway my opinion either way, I've made up my mind a long time ago on what my thought on the whole situation is. It is good to discuss possibilities, though.

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Reply #533 posted 07/30/18 3:09pm

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SkipperLove said:

I read that as well. Criticizing a woman because she left him alone is one thing. Jumping into drug dealer speculation is too much for me to swallow.

PennyPurple said:

I've read that Judith was so despondent that she couldn't get out of bed and I believe her parents even flew into where ever Judith lives to be with her.

Agree that going to far into dealer territory is iffy for me. I will say JH gave him a heck of home going at the tribute show in Oct 2016. Judith and Mayte

brought him into the room.

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Reply #534 posted 07/30/18 4:44pm

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Is Cat B Mel B from the Spice Girls...just wondering after seeing her posts

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Reply #535 posted 07/30/18 5:37pm

Camileyun	PennyPurple said: I've read that Judith was so despondent that she couldn't get out of bed and I believe her parents even flew into where ever Judith lives to be with her. How would people know about this, someone had to tell them? [Edited 7/30/18 17:55pm]
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Reply #536 posted 07/30/18 5:39pm

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Zip 5 Computer data page 26

Why was Shaun Powell emailing Prince in May of 2016?

Nas Music

Nas Music Pages

Mixed sessions invitation to collaborate

Team Weight Loss

Isn't Shaun Powell KJ's nephew, and wasn't he part time security/landscaper at PP?

Was Nas' people trying to get ahold of Prince's music? ?

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Reply #537 posted 07/30/18 5:48pm

nelcp777

PennyPurple said:

Zip 5 Computer data page 26

Why was Shaun Powell emailing Prince in May of 2016?

Nas Music

Nas Music Pages

Mixed sessions invitation to collaborate

Team Weight Loss

Isn't Shaun Powell KJ's nephew, and wasn't he part time security/landscaper at PP?

Was Nas' people trying to get ahold of Prince's music? ?

Isn’t Shaun the same person rumored to find Prince?
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Reply #538 posted 07/30/18 5:58pm

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nelcp777 said:
PennyPurple said:

Zip 5 Computer data page 26

Why was Shaun Powell emailing Prince in May of 2016?

Nas Music

Nas Music Pages

Mixed sessions invitation to collaborate

Team Weight Loss

Isn't Shaun Powell KJ's nephew, and wasn't he part time security/landscaper at PP?

Was Nas' people trying to get ahold of Prince's music? ?

Isn’t Shaun the same person rumored to find Prince? [Edited 7/30/18 17:49pm] [Edited 7/30/18 17:50pm]

Yes I think that is the rumor.

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Reply #539 posted 07/30/18 6:23pm

nelcp777

PennyPurple said:

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple said:

Zip 5 Computer data page 26

Why was Shaun Powell emailing Prince in May of 2016?

Nas Music

Nas Music Pages

Mixed sessions invitation to collaborate

Team Weight Loss

Isn't Shaun Powell KJ's nephew, and wasn't he part time security/landscaper at PP?

Was Nas' people trying to get ahold of Prince's music? ?

Isn’t Shaun the same person rumored to find Prince? [Edited 7/30/18 17:49pm] [Edited 7/30/18 17:50pm]

Yes I think that is the rumor.

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