ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

yes ma'am. Need to look for the other one. She was a well know Jazz musician, it was brought out on one of JH youtube videos. Whoever posted it had ALOT of knowledge being ALL who died within her grips

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You told me who it was, now I can't remember I've even tried searching for it.

According to posts in Lipstick Alley and in the comments section of a YouTube video, Natalie Cole and a gospel singer (first name, Andre) are names of entertainers who died that are associated with JH.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Are you sure its her and not some phony account? If you are sure, does she diss P? Does she seem unstable? I just clicked on a few of her clips on youtube. The comment sections literally have people accusing her of murder. Not just enabling, but first degree murder/assasination of both Prince and MJ. Maybe, this stuff is getting to her head. As for the transcripts, to me, they just read like someone freaking out, rattled, and trying to get her thoughts in order. Hard to read yes. But I noticed something--all the accounts by others of her behavior on the plane, on the tarmac, in the ambulance and at the hospital are consistently indicative of a worried, devastated and/or upset woman.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Camileyun said:

But I'm still not sure if all the bulbs are screwed in tight in her chandelier.

Judith is not naive.

I have read DM's she sent to another P fan and lets just say she likes to use to word f*ck and she said the thing she regreted most about meeting P was his fans who started to follow her.


I have read numerous transcripts in my career and Judith's is by far the oddest I have ever read. You can barely follow her conversation. I need a translator for her transcript.

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Or maybe someone having an emotional/mental meltdown. She just saw someone almost die earlier, seem to get better and then later die all on her ill-conceived long distance watch. I don't think she is naive necessarily but she might just be a bit of a mess.

I do think there's a possibly that they (her, Sheila, and maybe the others) are covering up a suicide..Its a possibility. Laura whatshername constantly posts angry comments on Sheila E's facebook. And someone (I believe from Minneapolis) finally responded back with a statement about how Sheila is covering up something that would devastate P's fans even more than they are already are. Not sure if there is any merit in that response but it kind of made sense to me.

sonshine said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Judith is not naive.

I have read DM's she sent to another P fan and lets just say she likes to use to word f*ck and she said the thing she regreted most about meeting P was his fans who started to follow her.


I have read numerous transcripts in my career and Judith's is by far the oddest I have ever read. You can barely follow her conversation. I need a translator for her transcript.

I agree. Very hard to follow her train of thought If not naive, then what? Just an airhead??

THere are a lot of photographs of P throughout the last 10 years or so and he has pinned pupils. Did these photographers know as well. And if they did notice, why aren't they saying anything right now about it. Not all of them were working for Prince or the estate. they have no reason to keep it to themselves now.

Camileyun said:

She seems to be the only one around P. that supposedly didn't know what was going on and she spent quite a bit of time with him. That's pretty naive. Pinned pupils are pretty obvious, for starters. She was in her thirties and in a business rife with drugs, and she couldn't tell?

che777x said:

PennyPurple said:

You told me who it was, now I can't remember I've even tried searching for it.

According to posts in Lipstick Alley and in the comments section of a YouTube video, Natalie Cole and a gospel singer (first name, Andre) are names of entertainers who died that are associated with JH.

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SkipperLove said:

Valid point.

Something else occurred to me...the absense of his associates saying that he didn't know what what drugs he was taking. They either say they never saw him take drugs, or they say they heard rumors that he had a general problem with pain pills or they imply that there was some iffy behavior where drugs were concerned in the past or they put all the emphasis on his physical pain. But very few of them say it was an accident involving P being ignorant about what he was taking (Parke and a couple nineties folks, but they weren't around and Elisa implied at one point that maybe his medication wasn't being watched and that someone should be held responsible--but since Sheila and Mayte visited her about a month ago, she's been quiet--and she didn't attend any of the celebrations earlier to hear directly what folks were saying in MN..) Very few of them who had actually been around in the last five years have even hinted that he didn't know what he was taking..they either say he didn't seem like a drug addict, put the emphasis on the pain, or they say nothing at all. I find that odd. Its like they are not buying the argument that Prince was completely oblivious to the bottles having fentanyl.

Camileyun said:

SkipperLove said:

THere are a lot of photographs of P throughout the last 10 years or so and he has pinned pupils. Did these photographers know as well. And if they did notice, why aren't they saying anything right now about it. Not all of them were working for Prince or the estate. they have no reason to keep it to themselves now.

Probably wouldn't be good for business.

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SkipperLove said:

As far as "inner circle" people knowing: of course they knew. They needed to keep the cash register ringing so they did nothing. But others (outsiders) knew, too: I think I posted this here once before, but I'll repeat it. I once asked - on Facebook - an anchor for a TV entertainment show if he ever withheld information on a celebrity to keep in the celeb's good graces, and he said he did - but he added that he once thought he had a scoop, said it on air, and it turned out to be false, so he later withheld information just to be on the safe side. Fans may not have known, but within the entertainment industry: they knew.

che777x said:

PennyPurple said:

You told me who it was, now I can't remember I've even tried searching for it.

According to posts in Lipstick Alley and in the comments section of a YouTube video, Natalie Cole and a gospel singer (first name, Andre) are names of entertainers who died that are associated with JH.

That's it, Andrae Crouch, Michael Jackson, Prince.

1Sasha said:

As far as "inner circle" people knowing: of course they knew. They needed to keep the cash register ringing so they did nothing. But others (outsiders) knew, too: I think I posted this here once before, but I'll repeat it. I once asked - on Facebook - an anchor for a TV entertainment show if he ever withheld information on a celebrity to keep in the celeb's good graces, and he said he did - but he added that he once thought he had a scoop, said it on air, and it turned out to be false, so he later withheld information just to be on the safe side. Fans may not have known, but within the entertainment industry: they knew.

Yes I agree Sasha, they all knew but the fans not so much.

Camileyun said:

She seems to be the only one around P. that supposedly didn't know what was going on and she spent quite a bit of time with him. That's pretty naive. Pinned pupils are pretty obvious, for starters. She was in her thirties and in a business rife with drugs, and she couldn't tell?

HA HA BINGO!

SkipperLove said:

Valid point.

Something else occurred to me...the absense of his associates saying that he didn't know what what drugs he was taking. They either say they never saw him take drugs, or they say they heard rumors that he had a general problem with pain pills or they imply that there was some iffy behavior where drugs were concerned in the past or they put all the emphasis on his physical pain. But very few of them say it was an accident involving P being ignorant about what he was taking (Parke and a couple nineties folks, but they weren't around and Elisa implied at one point that maybe his medication wasn't being watched and that someone should be held responsible--but since Sheila and Mayte visited her about a month ago, she's been quiet--and she didn't attend any of the celebrations earlier to hear directly what folks were saying in MN..) Very few of them who had actually been around in the last five years have even hinted that he didn't know what he was taking..they either say he didn't seem like a drug addict, put the emphasis on the pain, or they say nothing at all. I find that odd. Its like they are not buying the argument that Prince was completely oblivious to the bottles having fentanyl.

Camileyun said:

SkipperLove said: Probably wouldn't be good for business.

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SL: GREAT observation...they knew it was dilaudid and fent. just like Dr. D said he was into years ago...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I am not necessarily saying that. I am saying that after his death, maybe none of them thought P didn't know what he was doing when it came to what he was taking.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

SkipperLove said:

Valid point.

Something else occurred to me...the absense of his associates saying that he didn't know what what drugs he was taking. They either say they never saw him take drugs, or they say they heard rumors that he had a general problem with pain pills or they imply that there was some iffy behavior where drugs were concerned in the past or they put all the emphasis on his physical pain. But very few of them say it was an accident involving P being ignorant about what he was taking (Parke and a couple nineties folks, but they weren't around and Elisa implied at one point that maybe his medication wasn't being watched and that someone should be held responsible--but since Sheila and Mayte visited her about a month ago, she's been quiet--and she didn't attend any of the celebrations earlier to hear directly what folks were saying in MN..) Very few of them who had actually been around in the last five years have even hinted that he didn't know what he was taking..they either say he didn't seem like a drug addict, put the emphasis on the pain, or they say nothing at all. I find that odd. Its like they are not buying the argument that Prince was completely oblivious to the bottles having fentanyl.

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SL: GREAT observation...they knew it was dilaudid and fent. just like Dr. D said he was into years ago...

Camileyun said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

HA HA BINGO!

While we're on the subject (and I'm just throwing possibilities out there) how do we know a certain someone wasn't bringing the drugs from LA from Ps former connection, or whomever, just to stay in his good graces, and the freak out in the ambulance was more about possibly getting caught? When KJ asked P.where he got the drugs, he didn't want to rat her out in front of her. Going to the police and acting like a bimbo was just to cover her ass. She would hang out with P in his bedroom. Did she ever go in his bathroom and see his cache of enemas? The subject never came up during their 4am excursions to the store? Why was P keeping her around if he was celibate? For her witty repartee, like in the transcript? Just a thought, now I'll duck.

No need to duck, you're on to something very important, it makes perfect sense....his supplier was 'hiding' in plain sight, flying in every 2 weeks...the 'girlfriend' thing was a cover (she stayed in a hotel, remember? what girlfriend does that? PP wasn't big enough for both of them? there were no guest rooms there?)...no one ever believed he had a thing going on with her, def not his type and there's the celibacy thing and BTW, he was an opioid addict...not great for the libido. And then the icing on the cake: he OD's...and she's outta there...looking out for #1.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

muchtoofast said:

PennyPurple said:

che777x said:

According to posts in Lipstick Alley and in the comments section of a YouTube video, Natalie Cole and a gospel singer (first name, Andre) are names of entertainers who died that are associated with JH.

That's it, Andrae Crouch, Michael Jackson, Prince.

you didn't catch CB before he pulled the ???

This is info. is from an article in the LA Times dated April 16, 2016, entitled “Deaths from Powerful Opiate Fentanyl Rise in Los Angeles County”:

“In February, agents at the U.S.-Mexico border” Otay Mesa Port of Entry caught a man attempting to smuggle in about 1,200 tablets of fentanyl labeled as oxycodone.”

“The arrests were the first time authorities found fentanyl masked as oxycodone at the passing through the Mexico border, authorities said.”

Camileyun said:

che777x said:

PennyPurple said:

You told me who it was, now I can't remember I've even tried searching for it.

According to posts in Lipstick Alley and in the comments section of a YouTube video, Natalie Cole and a gospel singer (first name, Andre) are names of entertainers who died that are associated with JH.

Thanks for doing the footwork,che777x! Yes, the comments section on YT is where I found it as well, a long time ago

Camileyun said:

SkipperLove said:

THere are a lot of photographs of P throughout the last 10 years or so and he has pinned pupils. Did these photographers know as well. And if they did notice, why aren't they saying anything right now about it. Not all of them were working for Prince or the estate. they have no reason to keep it to themselves now.

Probably wouldn't be good for business.

Jennifer Matesa brought up the pinned pupils, and the blowback was that he was being photographed and the bright lights affected his pupils. She was an addict - I trust what she thinks more than others.

SkipperLove said:

Are you sure its her and not some phony account? If you are sure, does she diss P? Does she seem unstable? I just clicked on a few of her clips on youtube. The comment sections literally have people accusing her of murder. Not just enabling, but first degree murder/assasination of both Prince and MJ. Maybe, this stuff is getting to her head. As for the transcripts, to me, they just read like someone freaking out, rattled, and trying to get her thoughts in order. Hard to read yes. But I noticed something--all the accounts by others of her behavior on the plane, on the tarmac, in the ambulance and at the hospital are consistently indicative of a worried, devastated and/or upset woman.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Judith is not naive.

I have read DM's she sent to another P fan and lets just say she likes to use to word f*ck and she said the thing she regreted most about meeting P was his fans who started to follow her.


I have read numerous transcripts in my career and Judith's is by far the oddest I have ever read. You can barely follow her conversation. I need a translator for her transcript.

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...that stayed mum.

muchtoofast said: