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PrintablePennyPurple said:
Amen Bodhi Amen! It appears he was not interested in speaking to anyone In his past that last week. | |
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re the 'inner circle' "the devil doesn't come dressed in a red cape and pointy horns. He comes as everything you've ever wished for"? | |
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I found this interesting. These are excerpts from a Star Tribune article dated Dec. 15, 2009 regarding the hiring of Dr. Strobl, the ME who performed P.’s autopsy:
“And the new Anoka County medical examiner is ... Dr. Quinn. But Dr. A. Quinn Strobl is more likely to remind families of her predecessor and role model, Dr. Janis Amatuzio, the "compassionate coroner," than the 1990s TV character.”
"I worked for her [Amatuzio] for so long, for so many years that you couldn't help but learn her philosophy," Strobl, 36, said Tuesday after the county board voted unanimously to hire her to replace the retiring Amatuzio.”
"I interact directly with the family, I deliver the diagnosis and I answer a wide spectrum of questions," she said. "I don't deliver the bad news. Hopefully, I deliver answers."
"The mother of two young daughters, Strobl knows that emotions weigh as heavily as science in her field.”
“This isn't TV drama, but we are the ones who read the suicide notes," when there is one, she said. "There are various reasons for suicide, but you can't logic your way to an explanation. There is nothing rational about suicide. Some of the answers we seek are beyond science or rationale.”
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So, this begs the question, did Dr. Stobl's compassion allow her to honor the family's possible request to conclude this was an accident, and not suicide, to preserve Ps legacy?? | |
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Camileyun said: I found this interesting. These are excerpts from a Star Tribune article dated Dec. 15, 2009 regarding the hiring of Dr. Strobl, the ME who performed P.’s autopsy:
“And the new Anoka County medical examiner is ... Dr. Quinn. But Dr. A. Quinn Strobl is more likely to remind families of her predecessor and role model, Dr. Janis Amatuzio, the "compassionate coroner," than the 1990s TV character.”
"I worked for her [Amatuzio] for so long, for so many years that you couldn't help but learn her philosophy," Strobl, 36, said Tuesday after the county board voted unanimously to hire her to replace the retiring Amatuzio.”
"I interact directly with the family, I deliver the diagnosis and I answer a wide spectrum of questions," she said. "I don't deliver the bad news. Hopefully, I deliver answers."
"The mother of two young daughters, Strobl knows that emotions weigh as heavily as science in her field.”
“This isn't TV drama, but we are the ones who read the suicide notes," when there is one, she said. "There are various reasons for suicide, but you can't logic your way to an explanation. There is nothing rational about suicide. Some of the answers we seek are beyond science or rationale.”
Great find! | |
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Bodhitheblackdog said:
he had lost the narrative thread of his life after Moline, he had lost control of his story and control was everything to him...he had no one to share his fears and confusion with, his ability to physically perform was seriously degraded, his other-worldly beauty was fading, his home was deteriorating (though I have no idea if he even noticed),he never considered himself like other celebrities, he knew he couldn't kick his habit on his own, he was lonely, he was in pain...he wasn't thinking rationally because he was an addict, his brain may have been damaged by his OD's and on-going drug use, he rationalized the wall he was fast approaching by declaring victory over spooky electric and proclaiming he had accomplished everything he had set out to do. He was done. He was checked out. It was over for him.There was no joy left...no one loved him for him. Wow Bodhi, you go DEEP. I appreciate that. If his image truly meant EVERYTHING to him he might have been feeling extremely desperate. I remember reading here someone saying how furious he looked when he had to address the crowd at that last PP party. | |
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Bodhitheblackdog said: re the 'inner circle' "the devil doesn't come dressed in a red cape and pointy horns. He comes as everything you've ever wished for"?Oh, that's for DAMN sure! | |
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YES! | |
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Everyone who is interested in Prince's dependence should take a few minutes and watch this Ted Talk.
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: Everyone who is interested in Prince's dependence should take a few minutes and watch this Ted Talk.
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Very moving. | |
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peggyon said:
Very moving. Yes it was when he talked about week 1 made me think of his first cancellation of P&M show. Feeling poorly. And then feeling like he can’t kick it. | |
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It's a living hell. Drs know how to prescribe it, but don't know how to fix the problem once they get the patients hooked. | |
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Did someone say satanists? Seriously? Intelligent and educated people do nog2 speak like that. It is very plausible that he died just as we were told. Opiates are no joke. A dr could give them to someone for a month after an operation and its a wrap..lifelong addiction and the more u take, the more u need. I just think its a bit cowardly that no one tried to get him on suboxone earlier, one day eaelier. [Edited 7/28/18 23:43pm] Tilikum1983 | |
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CatB said:
No I noticed this tpo I forget how it is worded but it was April 21st 1996 Tilikum1983 | |
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peggyon said:
I think he and Kirk went to get meds after Dr. S. someone dropped him off at PP around 8pm Apologies if this has been discussed and I’ve missed it or if this is incorrect, but I believe I read somewhere on the one part of this thread that when Prince was found, he was in the same clothes he wore at the doctor’s office. Was he wearing them backwards then? It would seem someone would have mentioned it. If they were on correctly then, how did they end up on backwards when he was found? If i’ve missed something along the way, please don’t bash me. While I try to keep up on this and the investigative documents, I just have to stop at times when it feels like I’m losing him all over again and another piece of my soul too . . . | |
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This sounds logical to me. | |
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After listening to this video and his mention of the CDC guidelines, it made to curious to see what the CDC recommends for withdrawal. Below is the link to the CDC guidelines.
https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/pdf/clinical_pocket_guide_tapering-a.pdf
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Thanks Lee. With my husband, the pain Dr. tapered 10% every 6 months. And basically did everything it says to do in that brochure. In Prince's case nobody knew exactly what he was on, and he wasn't telling them either. | |
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Regarding your husband, it sounds as if he was able to get the proper guidance needed to accomplish the withdrawal process.
As it has been stated before with Prince, the help was too little too late. It appears P. wasn't open to the help but I also feel that his associates didn't try very hard either..... | |
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Yes, to get sober you have to want to...that's why denial kills...I don't think he had fully accepted how much trouble he was in. | |
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I don't think he knew either Bodhi. I think those narcan shots sent him into a tailspin. I'm wondering since Moline how long did it take him to dose again? | |
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His denial was so strong, even as to how the Narcan would affect him which I'm sure the doc in Moline explained in detail. HOW could Judith, who was there and likely heard the same warnings, merrily go on her way back to CA? Some 'girlfriend.' | |
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I can personally attest to the facts that opiods are a hell of a drug. My best friend was addicted to dilaudid pain pills due to a bad back. This damn doctor had him on vicodin then percocet then dilaudid which is the top of the tops in pain pills. Not to mention early on was on a fentanyl pain patch. All for lower back pain-perforated discs. This was around 2011-13 before more of the smack downs on prescriptions. But this doc did not warn or think of the ramifications of these pain meds on my friend. He had to kick fentanyl addiction which taking anything less is not enough cuz tolerance is built up so he was taking more dilaudid pills to make up for it. My friend had to go to rehab and not work for 5 months to kick this shit. And trust he tried and tried on his own. It was hell. This shit is poison and it does have a place for surgeries and for terminal illnesses. But it was and at times still is given out without a plan to ween the patient off of it. My step dad had hip surgery and now is hooked on percocet and they keep giving it to him. All of us his fam and friends are trying to get him off of it and switch to marijuana but he does not want to listen, thinks he is fine and has no problem and has admited he likes that the pills make him feel good with his emotions. These pills are making his pain worse that is what they do and he is not facing his problems my mom died 3 yrs back now he is spiraling. He is stubborn just like I am sure Prince was and the more we try to intervene the more he pulls away from us. A person wont stop no matter what friends and fam try to do because the drugs can take over the mind. Its hard to watch and deal with. These pills are like a double edged sword. "A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince | |
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I am going to say something which might not sit well with some people, but I think Demi Lovato is alive today because of Prince and the opioid epidemic. Either she or her friends had NARCAN on hand just in case she overdosed - she was in so deep. I had never heard of it before Prince's death, and then, with more people dying, NARCAN basically became a household word. IMO he was in the abyss, and I don't think he knew which end was up those last days. He was brilliant and in trouble and he didn't see any way out. JMO | |
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Bodhitheblackdog said:
His denial was so strong, even as to how the Narcan would affect him which I'm sure the doc in Moline explained in detail. HOW could Judith, who was there and likely heard the same warnings, merrily go on her way back to CA? Some 'girlfriend.' I get the impression that Judith was just along for the ride...a bit naive, and loving the attention from P. (who wouldn't?) Don't rock the boat. P. probably convinced her he was fine and she was ill equipped to stand up to him. | |
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Yes, they said her crew had narcan on hand. From what I hear she is still in the hospital, again that's the difference between having people around you care, and family compared to Prince's situation. | |
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