PennyPurple said:

kmama07 said:

Krystalkisses said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

precioux said:

No can do.

It's still an open investigation with the DEA.

At least it's still an open investigation with someone. Is the DEA required to notify the press/public if/when they do close it?

peggyon said:

Nola said:

precioux said: Maybe he dissolved the fentanyl in the energy drinks and that’s why there was no pill residue in his stomach despite the high levels? I guess we could speculate about any number of things, but I just remembered something - I have a friend who cannot swallow even the smallest of pills. Maybe P was the same. There were an awful lot of those 5 hour energy drink bottle around PP. Maybe he thought it would get into his system faster than waiting for a pill to dissolve, and with nothing else in his stomach....?? Probably grasping at straws. I’m sure they tested whatever was left in the water/energy drink/juice bottles.

I was thinkning he could have crushed the pills and drank the resulting liquid. This would have given him a really immediate effect and explain why there were no pills in his stomach

highly unlikely. A tablet takes around 45 minutes to circulate...if it's been crushed up, and with that high of a fentanyl content, I don't think he would've had much time after stepping away from the counter- maybe would've even still had the concoction in his hand...definately not enough time to get to the elevator. I just can't see that as a possibility, reason being the high content of the fentanyl. Going from memory, it was stated a cancer patient would normally have around 3-4 mcg, what was found in his system was upwards of 67 mcg..if not more. I'm thinking he would've immediately hit the floor in the scenario you provided. Furthermore, I can't see it have been administered as an enema either- come to think of it, because those membranes absorb at an even higher rate than through the stomach lining...(Bodhi?)

precioux said:

peggyon said:

I was thinkning he could have crushed the pills and drank the resulting liquid. This would have given him a really immediate effect and explain why there were no pills in his stomach

highly unlikely. A tablet takes around 45 minutes to circulate...if it's been crushed up, and with that high of a fentanyl content, I don't think he would've had much time after stepping away from the counter- maybe would've even still had the concoction in his hand...definately not enough time to get to the elevator. I just can't see that as a possibility, reason being the high content of the fentanyl. Going from memory, it was stated a cancer patient would normally have around 3-4 mcg, what was found in his system was upwards of 67 mcg..if not more. I'm thinking he would've immediately hit the floor in the scenario you provided. Furthermore, I can't see it have been administered as an enema either- come to think of it, because those membranes absorb at an even higher rate than through the stomach lining...(Bodhi?)

pill(s) in hand, decision to 'go home' made, stage set chosen(the elevator), costume chosen (backwards clothes), insert pills IN ELEVATOR..OR

bc he already had such a high tolerance for fent. he had time to stagger to the elevator..(leaving stain on carpet) .but he still chose the elevator as a final place ...if he had been panicked and looking for help, he just had to pick up his phone and dial 911...I don't think he was planning to exit PP and drive away...

[Edited 7/28/18 10:37am]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

What would have set him off to take his own life though? He had plenty of future plans made.

If it was the image thing with drugs, well look at all the celebrities who have and are going thru that. What would've been a big deal about people knowing you went to rehab?

Plus, he worked to hard that last week to make the public think everything was ok, riding his bike, throwing a party. Who is to say that anybody would've even found out about him going to rehab?

we sure have come a LONG way on the Org. from the time shortly after his death where the majority seemed to be insisting that there was NO WAY Prince ever took drugs bc he said he was against drugs...now we fully accept that he was an addict.

now we seem to be moving past that part of denial where some folks declare he would NEVER take his own life because he was such a devout Christian (though quite selective in the moral prohibitions he chose to follow) ...

maybe some day we will come to understand that denying addiction, denying the logic and good common sense of estate planning, never working on romantic relationships to make them lasting and authentic, not choosing worthy people as friends and busines associates, etc, etc, etc are NOT the hallmarks of a life well-lived.

this has nothing to do with the fact that he was the most prolific musical genius of our lives...this goes to the quality of the life he lived....and, in the end, was apparently not reluctant to leave.

Camileyun said:

As hard as it is to say, I think we should consider the fact that P. suffered from hypoxia on the plane. Judith said numerous times, she thought he was dead and that KJ had to keep checking for a pulse (you'd think CPR may have been appropriate at this point, but none was performed). She said it took what seemed like forever to land the plane, then the logistics of getting him off the plane. With shallow breathing for so long, his brain was lacking enough oxygen for quite some time. As I stated earlier, this can have "long term impacts on the brain and can trigger psychological and neurological problems." "Permanent damage is a very real possibility as well." (americanaddictioncenters.org) And when you consider this was probably not Ps first od based on KJ s statement to him in the hospital, it would be naive to think he was not suffering from some sort of neurological damage. This means he probably was not in his right mind that night and not thinking straight. We never saw him play anything again after the plane incident, did we?

you hit the nail on the head...how many times can an addict lose consciousness without the cumulative effects of lack of sufficient oxygen in the brain take a toll neorologically and on the personality and decision-making overall. I think we saw these defects on display during the last week of his life...nothing was logical, rational or authentically life-enhancing. He was going through the motions, he was checked out. He was done.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

What would have set him off to take his own life though? He had plenty of future plans made.

If it was the image thing with drugs, well look at all the celebrities who have and are going thru that. What would've been a big deal about people knowing you went to rehab?

Plus, he worked to hard that last week to make the public think everything was ok, riding his bike, throwing a party. Who is to say that anybody would've even found out about him going to rehab?

he had lost the narrative thread of his life after Moline, he had lost control of his story and control was everything to him...he had no one to share his fears and confusion with, his ability to physically perform was seriously degraded, his other-worldly beauty was fading, his home was deteriorating (though I have no idea if he even noticed),he never considered himself like other celebrities, he knew he couldn't kick his habit on his own, he was lonely, he was in pain...he wasn't thinking rationally because he was an addict, his brain may have been damaged by his OD's and on-going drug use, he rationalized the wall he was fast approaching by declaring victory over spooky electric and proclaiming he had accomplished everything he had set out to do. He was done. He was checked out. It was over for him.There was no joy left...no one loved him for him.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

What would have set him off to take his own life though? He had plenty of future plans made.

If it was the image thing with drugs, well look at all the celebrities who have and are going thru that. What would've been a big deal about people knowing you went to rehab?

Plus, he worked to hard that last week to make the public think everything was ok, riding his bike, throwing a party. Who is to say that anybody would've even found out about him going to rehab?

he had lost the narrative thread of his life after Moline, he had lost control of his story and control was everything to him...he had no one to share his fears and confusion with, his ability to physically perform was seriously degraded, his other-worldly beauty was fading, his home was deteriorating (though I have no idea if he even noticed),he never considered himself like other celebrities, he knew he couldn't kick his habit on his own, he was lonely, he was in pain...he wasn't thinking rationally because he was an addict, his brain may have been damaged by his OD's and on-going drug use, he rationalized the wall he was fast approaching by declaring victory over spooky electric and proclaiming he had accomplished everything he had set out to do. He was done. He was checked out. It was over for him.There was no joy left...no one loved him for him.

[Edited 7/28/18 14:11pm]

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

What would have set him off to take his own life though? He had plenty of future plans made.

If it was the image thing with drugs, well look at all the celebrities who have and are going thru that. What would've been a big deal about people knowing you went to rehab?

Plus, he worked to hard that last week to make the public think everything was ok, riding his bike, throwing a party. Who is to say that anybody would've even found out about him going to rehab?

he had lost the narrative thread of his life after Moline, he had lost control of his story and control was everything to him...he had no one to share his fears and confusion with, his ability to physically perform was seriously degraded, his other-worldly beauty was fading, his home was deteriorating (though I have no idea if he even noticed),he never considered himself like other celebrities, he knew he couldn't kick his habit on his own, he was lonely, he was in pain...he wasn't thinking rationally because he was an addict, his brain may have been damaged by his OD's and on-going drug use, he rationalized the wall he was fast approaching by declaring victory over spooky electric and proclaiming he had accomplished everything he had set out to do. He was done. He was checked out. It was over for him.There was no joy left...no one loved him for him.

It is just so frickin sad that he didn't have a family that gave a shti. It would've made a big difference.

to the bold- no he was no planning to drive away, as the elevator had stopped/or he got in on the main floor (I personally don't think he got into the elevator on the main floor). The ME/paramedics in the docs reported that in order to get his body out, they had to press 'B' to get down to the basement for transport. If he was planning on leaving, he would've been found on the basement level.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

precioux said:

highly unlikely. A tablet takes around 45 minutes to circulate...if it's been crushed up, and with that high of a fentanyl content, I don't think he would've had much time after stepping away from the counter- maybe would've even still had the concoction in his hand...definately not enough time to get to the elevator. I just can't see that as a possibility, reason being the high content of the fentanyl. Going from memory, it was stated a cancer patient would normally have around 3-4 mcg, what was found in his system was upwards of 67 mcg..if not more. I'm thinking he would've immediately hit the floor in the scenario you provided. Furthermore, I can't see it have been administered as an enema either- come to think of it, because those membranes absorb at an even higher rate than through the stomach lining...(Bodhi?)

pill(s) in hand, decision to 'go home' made, stage set chosen(the elevator), costume chosen (backwards clothes), insert pills IN ELEVATOR..OR

bc he already had such a high tolerance for fent. he had time to stagger to the elevator..(leaving stain on carpet) .but he still chose the elevator as a final place ...if he had been panicked and looking for help, he just had to pick up his phone and dial 911...I don't think he was planning to exit PP and drive away...

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

he had lost the narrative thread of his life after Moline, he had lost control of his story and control was everything to him...he had no one to share his fears and confusion with, his ability to physically perform was seriously degraded, his other-worldly beauty was fading, his home was deteriorating (though I have no idea if he even noticed),he never considered himself like other celebrities, he knew he couldn't kick his habit on his own, he was lonely, he was in pain...he wasn't thinking rationally because he was an addict, his brain may have been damaged by his OD's and on-going drug use, he rationalized the wall he was fast approaching by declaring victory over spooky electric and proclaiming he had accomplished everything he had set out to do. He was done. He was checked out. It was over for him.There was no joy left...no one loved him for him.

It is just so frickin sad that he didn't have a family that gave a shti. It would've made a big difference.

I agree- but in all fairness, I think he pushed them away because he basically thought they were 'beneath' him. JS- President (his nephew) said he hadn't seen/spoken with Prince since his last wedding and that Tyka had to 'call to get permission to speak with Prince'. Pepe's interview on one of those docs made me cry- he was bawling and said Prince wouldn't even acknowledge him at a concert he attended. When Prince died, Pepe was like 'we are the ones who have been there since the beginning- WE are the ones that love you for who you are .'

Camileyun said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

ALL LIES!!!

Can you elaborate?

I love Chocolatebox's protective stance, but no- there is never an 'elaboration', although CB claims to have been somewhere in the vicinity of the inner circle.

Camileyun said:

As hard as it is to say, I think we should consider the fact that P. suffered from hypoxia on the plane. Judith said numerous times, she thought he was dead and that KJ had to keep checking for a pulse (you'd think CPR may have been appropriate at this point, but none was performed). She said it took what seemed like forever to land the plane, then the logistics of getting him off the plane. With shallow breathing for so long, his brain was lacking enough oxygen for quite some time. As I stated earlier, this can have "long term impacts on the brain and can trigger psychological and neurological problems." "Permanent damage is a very real possibility as well." (americanaddictioncenters.org)

And when you consider this was probably not Ps first od based on KJ s statement to him in the hospital, it would be naive to think he was not suffering from some sort of neurological damage. This means he probably was not in his right mind that night and not thinking straight.

We never saw him play anything again after the plane incident, did we?

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

It is just so frickin sad that he didn't have a family that gave a shti. It would've made a big difference.

I agree- but in all fairness, I think he pushed them away because he basically thought they were 'beneath' him. JS- President (his nephew) said he hadn't seen/spoken with Prince since his last wedding and that Tyka had to 'call to get permission to speak with Prince'. Pepe's interview on one of those docs made me cry- he was bawling and said Prince wouldn't even acknowledge him at a concert he attended. When Prince died, Pepe was like 'we are the ones who have been there since the beginning- WE are the ones that love you for who you are .'

That's so sad.

It's just like the interview on Larry King where Prince claimed to not remember who his 1st manager was. (Owen Husney)

Prince was hurt by a lot of people, and hurt a lot people.

precioux said:

Camileyun said:

ChocolateBox3121 said: Can you elaborate?

I love Chocolatebox's protective stance, but no- there is never an 'elaboration', although CB claims to have been somewhere in the vicinity of the inner circle.

Of course. Silence kills. Just ask Prince.

precioux said:

nelcp777 said:

peggyon said:

If he vomited on the way up and then took "something" to feel better:; this was at 8pm or so.

He likely died around 3-4 am., so he would have had to take alot more later??

Yeah, maybe he vomited on the way up after being with Kirk, took something to take the edge off and then took alot later. This would explain the lack of Fentanyl in the vomit.

But at 5ish, he had dialed in his system at dr. S

I think he and Kirk went to get meds after Dr. S. someone dropped him off at PP around 8pm

Camileyun said:

Camileyun said:

As hard as it is to say, I think we should consider the fact that P. suffered from hypoxia on the plane. Judith said numerous times, she thought he was dead and that KJ had to keep checking for a pulse (you'd think CPR may have been appropriate at this point, but none was performed). She said it took what seemed like forever to land the plane, then the logistics of getting him off the plane. With shallow breathing for so long, his brain was lacking enough oxygen for quite some time. As I stated earlier, this can have "long term impacts on the brain and can trigger psychological and neurological problems." "Permanent damage is a very real possibility as well." (americanaddictioncenters.org) And when you consider this was probably not Ps first od based on KJ s statement to him in the hospital, it would be naive to think he was not suffering from some sort of neurological damage. This means he probably was not in his right mind that night and not thinking straight. We never saw him play anything again after the plane incident, did we?

Just want to correct myself. The flight attendant did say (pg. 165) they administered oxygen from an oxygen canister during the flight's descent, however, one paramedic noted he wasn't breathing upon landing and another paramedic said his shallow breathing was approx. 4 breaths/min.

looking for a doctor or nurse on this board to explain if 4 breaths per minute can cause brain damage after what period of time...thanks in advance.

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

I love Chocolatebox's protective stance, but no- there is never an 'elaboration', although CB claims to have been somewhere in the vicinity of the inner circle.

Of course. Silence kills. Just ask Prince.

anyone who was in even distant proximity to the ' inner circle' and thinks everything was A-OK is in denial and is, in part, culpable for his death...you can lash out until the end of time against reality but if you were there you were watching him die and were likely more interested in basking in the purple glow that once was than in helping save his life...you should be feeling SHAME and not anger at others who are not in denial. Your Tra-La-La attitude that he was doing great was like a blunt weapon that took him to his knees.

Hell, any of us can claim we were in the inner circle. Being in the inner circle sure doesn't say much about those people and their inaction on several fronts. The reports show them in a really bad light.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

Of course. Silence kills. Just ask Prince.

anyone who was in even distant proximity to the ' inner circle' and thinks everything was A-OK is in denial and is, in part, culpable for his death...you can lash out until the end of time against reality but if you were there you were watching him die and were likely more interested in basking in the purple glow that once was than in helping save his life...you should be feeling SHAME and not anger at others who are not in denial. Your Tra-La-La attitude that he was doing great was like a blunt weapon that took him to his knees.

Amen Bodhi Amen!