look here you menses, you are not a mod, if you want to go be a mod, go ask, chill out. I'll get to the files, I have a new 500 page bruce lee book that's got me right now though. it's good too but even that is full of accidental innaccuracy's. Nothing's perfect and I don't think the investigation was either, I've plowed through half the written files, and nearly all the recordings, enough so i know the gist and you guys are right, he was in denial, he had a problem, but for some reason, i just think there might be more to it. Call it intuition, call it wishful thinking but I hope to god I live long enough to see the autopsy, and even then It might not solve anything. This new Bruce book is saying that Bruce might have died of heatstroke, we're all humans and none of us, not police, not doctores, not you not me know everything, that's how god made things.

Menes said:

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said: Wow. Apologies if any of that is directed towards me as I shared part of my story. I did this to give example of what I learned about functioning addiction/accidental overdose. Wasn't trying to derail or rewrite any narrative. Thought it might be helpful info/insight into what may have happened in his situation because of the high levels found in his body and reported in investigation report/autopsy.

Absolutely not directed towards you. The thread was being derailed and polluted with so many "side bars"/audibles . I don't have a problem with a person who wants to write about a personal experience( from their own use) or perhaps, a family member who may have similar issues. There is obviously a heart felt connection with regards to how Prince died and I truly can respect that. I think people who posts such personal facts, are doing far more good than the family members who can't seem to acknowledge the very addiction the man had.

However, what tends to happen after that is that certain posters will piggy back off of the statements and derail the thread with things like "Elvis' plane, what color Prince's nails were , Mani's weave, etc. etc. etc... for days on end. These are usually the emptiest vessels that make the loudest noise. It is apparent the they do not have any information to add/don't research anything (yet beg for it) , thereby substituting their lack of information with something they deem more important. In doing so , the narrative of the investigation becomes watered down into some sub-chapter of the thread itself and subsequent to such irrelevance, consumes and distracts fellow participants in the thread. This serves to indicate one purpose , as in: There is nothing more to add. I have been tempted to put a more concise sequence of events together with proper dates/time/statements/notes(personal) and so forth, but it is exhausting.

There is a ton more information in those files, and I would venture to say that we have barely scratched the surface in some regards. A full and complete analysis would yield a hell of a lot more information. When you invest that much time ( as some of us have) ,the last thing you want to see is it all go to waste because a few posters intended on ending this chapter/saga instead of starting their own thread with its' relevant content.

Again, the previous post certainly was not directed towards you. I know your posting history. I probably should not have painted with such a broad brush.

At the least, we are back on track for however long that may last.

Bassette said:

PennyPurple said:

I realize that nothing will bring him back but damn!! This was from the article: Inside the drug that killed Petty & Prince.

And makes you wonder why she is filing suit against the hospital and the pharmacy.

Prince’s sister Tyka Nelson, says she is not concerned that the state of Minnesota didn't arrest anyone for the fentanyl found in her brother's body: “I thought, ‘Let’s move on,’ ” she says. “You can charge 20,000 people and toss them in jail. Will that bring my brother back? It’s not. It didn’t matter if it was a knife or a gun or fentayl. If it doesn’t bring back my brother, it didn’t matter."

Tell Tyka it DOES matter. It DOES matter Tyka! I want the answers to the questions , why, what, when and who. Because Prince is not just a ( or your) brother.

she's right and she's wrong. Bruce Lee's wife said after he passed the same thing and wanted people to remember the art, but there was controversy in that case, and it's never been setlled because people want to lie about shit.

Menes said:

Absolutely not directed towards you. The thread was being derailed and polluted with so many "side bars"/audibles . I don't have a problem with a person who wants to write about a personal experience( from their own use) or perhaps, a family member who may have similar issues. There is obviously a heart felt connection with regards to how Prince died and I truly can respect that. I think people who posts such personal facts, are doing far more good than the family members who can't seem to acknowledge the very addiction the man had.

However, what tends to happen after that is that certain posters will piggy back off of the statements and derail the thread with things like "Elvis' plane, what color Prince's nails were , Mani's weave, etc. etc. etc... for days on end. These are usually the emptiest vessels that make the loudest noise. It is apparent the they do not have any information to add/don't research anything (yet beg for it) , thereby substituting their lack of information with something they deem more important. In doing so , the narrative of the investigation becomes watered down into some sub-chapter of the thread itself and subsequent to such irrelevance, consumes and distracts fellow participants in the thread. This serves to indicate one purpose , as in: There is nothing more to add. I have been tempted to put a more concise sequence of events together with proper dates/time/statements/notes(personal) and so forth, but it is exhausting.

There is a ton more information in those files, and I would venture to say that we have barely scratched the surface in some regards. A full and complete analysis would yield a hell of a lot more information. When you invest that much time ( as some of us have) ,the last thing you want to see is it all go to waste because a few posters intended on ending this chapter/saga instead of starting their own thread with its' relevant content.

Again, the previous post certainly was not directed towards you. I know your posting history. I probably should not have painted with such a broad brush.

At the least, we are back on track for however long that may last.

Well we better hurry up and get things posted because it is my understanding that once this thread closes there will be no other. I think there is actually only 1 mod on the forum who actually moderates, anymore. And somehow this decision has been made but when asked if Ben knew about it, there was no answer, when I asked another mod about it, they knew nothing about it?

It's to the point where this post has taken me about 8 minutes to reply because it sits and spins because the thread is so over loaded.

PeteSilas said:

look here you menses, you are not a mod, if you want to go be a mod, go ask, chill out. I'll get to the files, I have a new 500 page bruce lee book that's got me right now though. it's good too but even that is full of accidental innaccuracy's. Nothing's perfect and I don't think the investigation was either, I've plowed through half the written files, and nearly all the recordings, enough so i know the gist and you guys are right, he was in denial, he had a problem, but for some reason, i just think there might be more to it. Call it intuition, call it wishful thinking but I hope to god I live long enough to see the autopsy, and even then It might not solve anything. This new Bruce book is saying that Bruce might have died of heatstroke, we're all humans and none of us, not police, not doctores, not you not me know everything, that's how god made things.

Menes said:

Absolutely not directed towards you. The thread was being derailed and polluted with so many "side bars"/audibles . I don't have a problem with a person who wants to write about a personal experience( from their own use) or perhaps, a family member who may have similar issues. There is obviously a heart felt connection with regards to how Prince died and I truly can respect that. I think people who posts such personal facts, are doing far more good than the family members who can't seem to acknowledge the very addiction the man had.

However, what tends to happen after that is that certain posters will piggy back off of the statements and derail the thread with things like "Elvis' plane, what color Prince's nails were , Mani's weave, etc. etc. etc... for days on end. These are usually the emptiest vessels that make the loudest noise. It is apparent the they do not have any information to add/don't research anything (yet beg for it) , thereby substituting their lack of information with something they deem more important. In doing so , the narrative of the investigation becomes watered down into some sub-chapter of the thread itself and subsequent to such irrelevance, consumes and distracts fellow participants in the thread. This serves to indicate one purpose , as in: There is nothing more to add. I have been tempted to put a more concise sequence of events together with proper dates/time/statements/notes(personal) and so forth, but it is exhausting.

There is a ton more information in those files, and I would venture to say that we have barely scratched the surface in some regards. A full and complete analysis would yield a hell of a lot more information. When you invest that much time ( as some of us have) ,the last thing you want to see is it all go to waste because a few posters intended on ending this chapter/saga instead of starting their own thread with its' relevant content.

Again, the previous post certainly was not directed towards you. I know your posting history. I probably should not have painted with such a broad brush.

At the least, we are back on track for however long that may last.

Case in point. Thank you, kindly.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Absolutely not directed towards you. The thread was being derailed and polluted with so many "side bars"/audibles . I don't have a problem with a person who wants to write about a personal experience( from their own use) or perhaps, a family member who may have similar issues. There is obviously a heart felt connection with regards to how Prince died and I truly can respect that. I think people who posts such personal facts, are doing far more good than the family members who can't seem to acknowledge the very addiction the man had.

However, what tends to happen after that is that certain posters will piggy back off of the statements and derail the thread with things like "Elvis' plane, what color Prince's nails were , Mani's weave, etc. etc. etc... for days on end. These are usually the emptiest vessels that make the loudest noise. It is apparent the they do not have any information to add/don't research anything (yet beg for it) , thereby substituting their lack of information with something they deem more important. In doing so , the narrative of the investigation becomes watered down into some sub-chapter of the thread itself and subsequent to such irrelevance, consumes and distracts fellow participants in the thread. This serves to indicate one purpose , as in: There is nothing more to add. I have been tempted to put a more concise sequence of events together with proper dates/time/statements/notes(personal) and so forth, but it is exhausting.

There is a ton more information in those files, and I would venture to say that we have barely scratched the surface in some regards. A full and complete analysis would yield a hell of a lot more information. When you invest that much time ( as some of us have) ,the last thing you want to see is it all go to waste because a few posters intended on ending this chapter/saga instead of starting their own thread with its' relevant content.

Again, the previous post certainly was not directed towards you. I know your posting history. I probably should not have painted with such a broad brush.

At the least, we are back on track for however long that may last.

Well we better hurry up and get things posted because it is my understanding that once this thread closes there will be no other. I think there is actually only 1 mod on the forum who actually moderates, anymore. And somehow this decision has been made but when asked if Ben knew about it, there was no answer, when I asked another mod about it, they knew nothing about it?

It's to the point where this post has taken me about 8 minutes to reply because it sits and spins because the thread is so over loaded.

I remember asking if Ben "knew" about something as well... crickets.

When you say "no other", is that as in we can't make another death investigation per the new docs that just came out? If so, that could only mean one thing.

Did the moderator say that after this one auto-shuts, if someone tried to start a new one it would be locked?

-

(I have mixed feelings about this. I've been participating in this convo for 2 years now. At this point we're obviously all just sort of rehashing the same stuff with new words, because we have no additional facts to talk about. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I think these kind of dicussions can start drifting to that, because without any new facts t's tempting to start imaging various scenarios and scandals, to keep a sense of urgency and purpose around a conversation that might not have one anymore.

-

We're not going to "crack the case" of who Prince had supply him with opioids, if that's something that people feel is critical to know.

-

Anyway, everyone can tell me that I'm free to leave this thread at any time etc etc)

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Absolutely not directed towards you. The thread was being derailed and polluted with so many "side bars"/audibles . I don't have a problem with a person who wants to write about a personal experience( from their own use) or perhaps, a family member who may have similar issues. There is obviously a heart felt connection with regards to how Prince died and I truly can respect that. I think people who posts such personal facts, are doing far more good than the family members who can't seem to acknowledge the very addiction the man had.

However, what tends to happen after that is that certain posters will piggy back off of the statements and derail the thread with things like "Elvis' plane, what color Prince's nails were , Mani's weave, etc. etc. etc... for days on end. These are usually the emptiest vessels that make the loudest noise. It is apparent the they do not have any information to add/don't research anything (yet beg for it) , thereby substituting their lack of information with something they deem more important. In doing so , the narrative of the investigation becomes watered down into some sub-chapter of the thread itself and subsequent to such irrelevance, consumes and distracts fellow participants in the thread. This serves to indicate one purpose , as in: There is nothing more to add. I have been tempted to put a more concise sequence of events together with proper dates/time/statements/notes(personal) and so forth, but it is exhausting.

There is a ton more information in those files, and I would venture to say that we have barely scratched the surface in some regards. A full and complete analysis would yield a hell of a lot more information. When you invest that much time ( as some of us have) ,the last thing you want to see is it all go to waste because a few posters intended on ending this chapter/saga instead of starting their own thread with its' relevant content.

Again, the previous post certainly was not directed towards you. I know your posting history. I probably should not have painted with such a broad brush.

At the least, we are back on track for however long that may last.

Well we better hurry up and get things posted because it is my understanding that once this thread closes there will be no other. I think there is actually only 1 mod on the forum who actually moderates, anymore. And somehow this decision has been made but when asked if Ben knew about it, there was no answer, when I asked another mod about it, they knew nothing about it?

It's to the point where this post has taken me about 8 minutes to reply because it sits and spins because the thread is so over loaded.

Menes said:

PeteSilas said:

look here you menses, you are not a mod, if you want to go be a mod, go ask, chill out. I'll get to the files, I have a new 500 page bruce lee book that's got me right now though. it's good too but even that is full of accidental innaccuracy's. Nothing's perfect and I don't think the investigation was either, I've plowed through half the written files, and nearly all the recordings, enough so i know the gist and you guys are right, he was in denial, he had a problem, but for some reason, i just think there might be more to it. Call it intuition, call it wishful thinking but I hope to god I live long enough to see the autopsy, and even then It might not solve anything. This new Bruce book is saying that Bruce might have died of heatstroke, we're all humans and none of us, not police, not doctores, not you not me know everything, that's how god made things.

Case in point. Thank you, kindly.

you're welcome menses. shutting it down is good, with the info out there, there's not much to do, most of the people's here have their minds made up so ya, shut it down. I've learned a lot from many of the folk here so thank you all. I don't need this thread to keep thinking.

PeteSilas said:

Menes said:

Case in point. Thank you, kindly.

you're welcome menses. shutting it down is good, with the info out there, there's not much to do, most of the people's here have their minds made up so ya, shut it down. I've learned a lot from many of the folk here so thank you all. I don't need this thread to keep thinking.

I love the new name.

the case might be headed towards oswaldland, one in which one of the worlds best foresic experts said "we don't know what happened" because any evidence is tainted and most of the witnesses are dead

disch said:

Did the moderator say that after this one auto-shuts, if someone tried to start a new one it would be locked?

-

(I have mixed feelings about this. I've been participating in this convo for 2 years now. At this point we're obviously all just sort of rehashing the same stuff with new words, because we have no additional facts to talk about. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I think these kind of dicussions can start drifting to that, because without any new facts t's tempting to start imaging various scenarios and scandals, to keep a sense of urgency and purpose around a conversation that might not have one anymore.

-

We're not going to "crack the case" of who Prince had supply him with opioids, if that's something that people feel is critical to know.

-

Anyway, everyone can tell me that I'm free to leave this thread at any time etc etc)

PennyPurple said:

Well we better hurry up and get things posted because it is my understanding that once this thread closes there will be no other. I think there is actually only 1 mod on the forum who actually moderates, anymore. And somehow this decision has been made but when asked if Ben knew about it, there was no answer, when I asked another mod about it, they knew nothing about it?

It's to the point where this post has taken me about 8 minutes to reply because it sits and spins because the thread is so over loaded.

Menes said:

PeteSilas said:

you're welcome menses. shutting it down is good, with the info out there, there's not much to do, most of the people's here have their minds made up so ya, shut it down. I've learned a lot from many of the folk here so thank you all. I don't need this thread to keep thinking.

I love the new name.

stop flirting girl.

Menes and Disch, check your org notes.

PennyPurple said:

Menes and Disch, check your org notes.

what about me? i'm kicked out of the club? I'm hurt, so hurt. Again, if this closes, thanks everyone, even the folk i didn't agree with or vice versa. Prince, you are my leader, i won't give up the case no time soon, probably be dead before the autopsy comes out. Wish you were still here to hear me say I love youy! Thank you!

PennyPurple said:

Menes and Disch, check your org notes.

Thanks.

PeteSilas said:

Menes said:

Case in point. Thank you, kindly.

you're welcome menses. shutting it down is good, with the info out there, there's not much to do, most of the people's here have their minds made up so ya, shut it down. I've learned a lot from many of the folk here so thank you all. I don't need this thread to keep thinking.

No it's not good. There are many threads on the Estate, there are 17 or 18 picture threads. But yet those of us interested in putting our heads together and discussing the case won't be able to do so on an all Prince discussion forum. Why? I would like to hear from Ben on this, he probably doesn't know anything about it.

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

you're welcome menses. shutting it down is good, with the info out there, there's not much to do, most of the people's here have their minds made up so ya, shut it down. I've learned a lot from many of the folk here so thank you all. I don't need this thread to keep thinking.

No it's not good. There are many threads on the Estate, there are 17 or 18 picture threads. But yet those of us interested in putting our heads together and discussing the case won't be able to do so on an all Prince discussion forum. Why? I would like to hear from Ben on this, he probably doesn't know anything about it.

It's time. I'd also heard it would be done and I am fine with it. With the exception of a very few posters, this thread only serves as pirahna bait. You know what I mean

PeteSilas said:

stop flirting girl.

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

No it's not good. There are many threads on the Estate, there are 17 or 18 picture threads. But yet those of us interested in putting our heads together and discussing the case won't be able to do so on an all Prince discussion forum. Why? I would like to hear from Ben on this, he probably doesn't know anything about it.

It's time. I'd also heard it would be done and I am fine with it. With the exception of a very few posters, this thread only serves as pirahna bait. You know what I mean

The Org is dying a slow death anyways. Most of the Mods have gone MIA.

Might as well shut the org down. Everything is on repeat anyway, that's the excuse being used not to keep this thread going, when the fact is everything here is on repeat. The same ole stories, the same ole songs, the same ole women, same ole pics.

PennyPurple said:

Mumio said:

It's time. I'd also heard it would be done and I am fine with it. With the exception of a very few posters, this thread only serves as pirahna bait. You know what I mean

The Org is dying a slow death anyways. Most of the Mods have gone MIA.

Might as well shut the org down. Everything is on repeat anyway, that's the excuse being used not to keep this thread going, when the fact is everything here is on repeat. The same ole stories, the same ole songs, the same ole women, same ole pics.

The mods aren't paid to moderate this forum, so I think there is a limit to what can be expected from them. I wouldn't want to deal with all of this, giving up my free time.

The org will still be here because there is no greater source of information about Prince. Unknown if the forums themselves will last though, but if it's just to bash Prince and all things related to him, then it may go too. Who knows.

Several posters suck the air out of the discussion on this thread with their autocratic belief systems and aggressive stances.There is very little "safe" and thoughtful discussion on this thread unless you are in complete agreement with them. I've noticed a recent exodus of folks, myself included.

It's time. Shut it down; it's not a true "discussion" thread; more of a bully pulpit.

However, I am going to miss Pete! I laugh everyday. You have way with words.

Please do not comment.

Pete, the "please do not comment" was not meant for you.

peggyon said:

Pete, the "please do not comment" was not meant for you.

Please do not comment? You're on a discussion forum.

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

The Org is dying a slow death anyways. Most of the Mods have gone MIA.

Might as well shut the org down. Everything is on repeat anyway, that's the excuse being used not to keep this thread going, when the fact is everything here is on repeat. The same ole stories, the same ole songs, the same ole women, same ole pics.

The mods aren't paid to moderate this forum, so I think there is a limit to what can be expected from them. I wouldn't want to deal with all of this, giving up my free time.

The org will still be here because there is no greater source of information about Prince. Unknown if the forums themselves will last though, but if it's just to bash Prince and all things related to him, then it may go too. Who knows.

They need to give it up then. Bring new mods on board who will pay more attention to the place.

I've even suggested to have a go fund me account, so we could help Ben update the forum.

Just read the last few pages - interesting comments all.

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

Pete, the "please do not comment" was not meant for you.

Please do not comment? You're on a discussion forum.

shhh

peggyon said:

Pete, the "please do not comment" was not meant for you.

thanks peggy, i appreciat the laughter comments but I think i should quote my favorite Ali quote "I don't tell jokes, I tell the truth, that's the funniest joke in the world".

Menes said:

seriously time to lock this nonsense up. Same bat-shit theories over & over across 10 parts.

Just enjoy the incredible memories he left you with.

peggyon said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

BillieBalloon said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

seriously time to lock this nonsense up. Same bat-shit theories over & over across 10 parts.

Just enjoy the incredible memories he left you with.

I say this thread needs medication.. its lost its marbles.

tell me about it, we will never know. It's really simple. He was a long term drug user, suffered hugely in pain & took stronger & stronger pills to cope. Did he use other drugs?, we kind of know he used ecstacy, rumours of coke for years etc...either he did or he didn't - no point in speculating beyond. In terms of other severe medical conditions [terminal or otherwise] again either he did or he didn't - WHY do we need to know?

He was a workaholic, lived in extreme privacy [noone truly knew him], shared very little of his troubles, like MJ he lived in a fantasy bubble & in total denial until it was too late. He made the chocie not to seek professional help. The character of Christopher Tracey seems very true to the real Prince.....