purplerabbithole said:

Kirk moved out of the house. Was this one of P's properties? Kind of a good reason to NOT want the man dead. Having to move out of your house would suck.

PennyPurple said:

Actually....If I remember correctly that herpes medication was medication that was found at Kirks house, and it was his nephews, when you get a cold sore or canker sore, that is called herpes too. When Kirk moved out of the house, the person who bought it was cleaning and going to redo some rooms, there were several bottles of medicine left, the lady called the Police to come and get them because she knew Kirk was affiliated with Prince, and what happened to Prince. The medicine was not in Kirks name it was in his nephews name that lived with Kirk. And it was several years old.

Yes, it was one of P's properties and after he died KJ had to move out.

Is anyone else having trouble getting this thread to load? I can barely get it to load anymore and it takes forever for me to reply.

I've asked a mod to start part 11 and so far that hasn't happened. This thread will be self locking in a couple of weeks, and from what I heard from a Mod, she doesn't want to start another one????

SkipperLove said:

I am sooo done with conspiracy theories. The rolling Stone article I just read about the complex issue of pain relief and drugs in the industry has put the nail in that coffin for me. The only things I am inclined to believe about P's death is that it was either an accident or his own intentional doing (or something in between that was the result of Prince not caring about what was in those pills). Anything demonizing Prince or the people around him to explain away this tragedy and cast blame, I have little patience for. Okay, so some of his people were a bit shady and self-serving...well, that still doesnt make them murderers or drug providers or insincere in their pain over his death.. Yes, whoever gave him those drugs should go to jail, but I doubt it was anyone close to him or working for him who manufactured, purchased or handed him those pills. . Dealers/doctors are all over the place in the industry. Prince could have run into anyone of them on the road. the man was sneaky, we know that. But, even the dealer probably wasn't trying to kill the man. He was probably just being a typically greedy drug dealer. Its sounds like former employees want to blame latter employees for what happened to him, but to me it sounds like their own guilty consciences and unresolved issues with Prince. The sad tragic reality is that PRince didn't want to get better and lived too much for music. His music was glorious, inspiring, intoxicating. His endurance and energy were infectious. I imagine many employees got caught up in it and at the time thought he was indestructible. In retrospect, they now realize they may have let some behaviors of his (self destructive ones) slide because they were caught up in his fame, his charm, his endurance, his mystery, his force, the money, and cult-like nature of stardom. Once it was too obvious that he was in a bad place, they were powerless to stop it due to his tendency to isolate himself when he was feeling low or vulnerable and push naysayers out of his life. . I don't doubt for one second that most associates were geniunely sad when he died.

beautifully said: sad but true...

I realize that nothing will bring him back but damn!! This was from the article: Inside the drug that killed Petty & Prince.

And makes you wonder why she is filing suit against the hospital and the pharmacy.

Prince’s sister Tyka Nelson, says she is not concerned that the state of Minnesota didn't arrest anyone for the fentanyl found in her brother's body: “I thought, ‘Let’s move on,’ ” she says. “You can charge 20,000 people and toss them in jail. Will that bring my brother back? It’s not. It didn’t matter if it was a knife or a gun or fentayl. If it doesn’t bring back my brother, it didn’t matter."

This is from Chirs Cornell's family and the Petty family......from Prince's family, A BIG FAT NOTHING, 0, ZIP, NADA.

Cornell has started the Addiction Resource Center, a website dedicated to her late husband that aims to help substance abusers. The Petty family is working on plans, to be announced soon, to offer guidance to families and addicts. “We don’t want this to happen to anyone else,” says Adria. “We want to reach people struggling with chronic pain, opioid addiction and recovery, and create awareness about the strength of these drugs.”

PennyPurple said:

This is from Chirs Cornell's family and the Petty family......from Prince's family, A BIG FAT NOTHING, 0, ZIP, NADA.

Cornell has started the Addiction Resource Center, a website dedicated to her late husband that aims to help substance abusers. The Petty family is working on plans, to be announced soon, to offer guidance to families and addicts. “We don’t want this to happen to anyone else,” says Adria. “We want to reach people struggling with chronic pain, opioid addiction and recovery, and create awareness about the strength of these drugs.”

Thank you for posting this Penny. For me, the behavior of the family is one of the most disturbing aspects of losing Prince. It's like rubbing salt into a wound.It's a new heartbreak every time I think of them wallowing in the money Prince accumulated with blood, sweat, tears, hard labor, genius...and doing nothing creative, meaningful or transcendant to burnish his memory and make his unnecessary death stand for something bigger than a tourist destination run by the folks who brought you a peek at Elvis's grave...for a price.

PennyPurple said:

I realize that nothing will bring him back but damn!! This was from the article: Inside the drug that killed Petty & Prince.

And makes you wonder why she is filing suit against the hospital and the pharmacy.

Prince’s sister Tyka Nelson, says she is not concerned that the state of Minnesota didn't arrest anyone for the fentanyl found in her brother's body: “I thought, ‘Let’s move on,’ ” she says. “You can charge 20,000 people and toss them in jail. Will that bring my brother back? It’s not. It didn’t matter if it was a knife or a gun or fentayl. If it doesn’t bring back my brother, it didn’t matter."

When I read it I thought that she no doubt has more information about what went on and that was the reason for the answer she gave. It lends more to the theory that more was going on than what most people know.

She isn't suing. SNJ is.

PennyPurple said:

I realize that nothing will bring him back but damn!! This was from the article: Inside the drug that killed Petty & Prince.

And makes you wonder why she is filing suit against the hospital and the pharmacy.

Prince’s sister Tyka Nelson, says she is not concerned that the state of Minnesota didn't arrest anyone for the fentanyl found in her brother's body: “I thought, ‘Let’s move on,’ ” she says. “You can charge 20,000 people and toss them in jail. Will that bring my brother back? It’s not. It didn’t matter if it was a knife or a gun or fentayl. If it doesn’t bring back my brother, it didn’t matter."

to be fair, both Chris Cornell and Tom Petty a) spoke openly about their own struggles with addiction when they were alive and b) had a close-knit family (wives). Neither is true in Prince's case.

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These siblings of Prince's were, by all accounts, very distant from him, and the only reason they are in the picture now is by legal default due to his lack of a will. I personally would not really expect or even want them to start a foundation or something similar in the way cornell and petty's wives did. If someone were to do that, I'd rather it be someone who had more of a relationship with him, as well as some business savvy, though I'm not sure who that would be, sadly.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

This is from Chirs Cornell's family and the Petty family......from Prince's family, A BIG FAT NOTHING, 0, ZIP, NADA.

Cornell has started the Addiction Resource Center, a website dedicated to her late husband that aims to help substance abusers. The Petty family is working on plans, to be announced soon, to offer guidance to families and addicts. “We don’t want this to happen to anyone else,” says Adria. “We want to reach people struggling with chronic pain, opioid addiction and recovery, and create awareness about the strength of these drugs.”

Thank you for posting this Penny. For me, the behavior of the family is one of the most disturbing aspects of losing Prince. It's like rubbing salt into a wound.It's a new heartbreak every time I think of them wallowing in the money Prince accumulated with blood, sweat, tears, hard labor, genius...and doing nothing creative, meaningful or transcendant to burnish his memory and make his unnecessary death stand for something bigger than a tourist destination run by the folks who brought you a peek at Elvis's grave...for a price.

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disch said:

to be fair, both Chris Cornell and Tom Petty a) spoke openly about their own struggles with addiction when they were alive and b) had a close-knit family (wives). Neither is true in Prince's case.

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These siblings of Prince's were, by all accounts, very distant from him, and the only reason they are in the picture now is by legal default due to his lack of a will. I personally would not really expect or even want them to start a foundation or something similar in the way cornell and petty's wives did. If someone were to do that, I'd rather it be someone who had more of a relationship with him, as well as some business savvy, though I'm not sure who that would be, sadly.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Thank you for posting this Penny. For me, the behavior of the family is one of the most disturbing aspects of losing Prince. It's like rubbing salt into a wound.It's a new heartbreak every time I think of them wallowing in the money Prince accumulated with blood, sweat, tears, hard labor, genius...and doing nothing creative, meaningful or transcendant to burnish his memory and make his unnecessary death stand for something bigger than a tourist destination run by the folks who brought you a peek at Elvis's grave...for a price.

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chris cornell didn't have a supportive wife, i got in trouble when i speculated that it was her who drove him to that action, turned out it had some truth to it.

SkipperLove said:

She isn't suing. SNJ is.

PennyPurple said:

I realize that nothing will bring him back but damn!! This was from the article: Inside the drug that killed Petty & Prince.

And makes you wonder why she is filing suit against the hospital and the pharmacy.

Prince’s sister Tyka Nelson, says she is not concerned that the state of Minnesota didn't arrest anyone for the fentanyl found in her brother's body: “I thought, ‘Let’s move on,’ ” she says. “You can charge 20,000 people and toss them in jail. Will that bring my brother back? It’s not. It didn’t matter if it was a knife or a gun or fentayl. If it doesn’t bring back my brother, it didn’t matter."

I thought they were all suing for malpractice??

disch said:

to be fair, both Chris Cornell and Tom Petty a) spoke openly about their own struggles with addiction when they were alive and b) had a close-knit family (wives). Neither is true in Prince's case.

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These siblings of Prince's were, by all accounts, very distant from him, and the only reason they are in the picture now is by legal default due to his lack of a will. I personally would not really expect or even want them to start a foundation or something similar in the way cornell and petty's wives did. If someone were to do that, I'd rather it be someone who had more of a relationship with him, as well as some business savvy, though I'm not sure who that would be, sadly.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Thank you for posting this Penny. For me, the behavior of the family is one of the most disturbing aspects of losing Prince. It's like rubbing salt into a wound.It's a new heartbreak every time I think of them wallowing in the money Prince accumulated with blood, sweat, tears, hard labor, genius...and doing nothing creative, meaningful or transcendant to burnish his memory and make his unnecessary death stand for something bigger than a tourist destination run by the folks who brought you a peek at Elvis's grave...for a price.

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It is becoming increasingly obvious that nobody really gave a shti about Prince. We all knew it, but I always held on to some hope. What a f'ing shame that like Bodhi said 'neglect', played a part in taking this musical genius away from us.

We as fans have done more research on his death then his own family even bothered to do.

All six of Prince’s siblings have joined together to sue personnel at an Illinois hospital that treated the music superstar after he suffered from an opioid overdose a week before his death. The family has also named Walgreens pharmacy in its wrongful death suit.

PennyPurple said:

All six of Prince’s siblings have joined together to sue personnel at an Illinois hospital that treated the music superstar after he suffered from an opioid overdose a week before his death. The family has also named Walgreens pharmacy in its wrongful death suit.

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PennyPurple said:

All six of Prince’s siblings have joined together to sue personnel at an Illinois hospital that treated the music superstar after he suffered from an opioid overdose a week before his death. The family has also named Walgreens pharmacy in its wrongful death suit.

Idiots

what are they trying to hide with all this smoke screening?

I am totally suspicious....Total waste of resource

and energy...

He is gone,

Move on...

I've spent way too much time considering his death but I wouldn't call what i've done "research." I have no additional information or answers about what was going on in his private world.

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I think his private life was complication. The fact is he had no close family. His parents were dead and these sibling were in many cases much older and he never really had a relationship with them even when he wasn't famous. Some of that is just the luck of the draw.

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But the reality is, he also pushed people away. I don't agree that every single person who was ever meaningful in his life is just an inherently shitty person. Some of them moved on with their lives when Prince made it clear that's what he wanted. Fame adds a huge complicating layer to relationships, I imagine.

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PennyPurple said:

disch said:

to be fair, both Chris Cornell and Tom Petty a) spoke openly about their own struggles with addiction when they were alive and b) had a close-knit family (wives). Neither is true in Prince's case.

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These siblings of Prince's were, by all accounts, very distant from him, and the only reason they are in the picture now is by legal default due to his lack of a will. I personally would not really expect or even want them to start a foundation or something similar in the way cornell and petty's wives did. If someone were to do that, I'd rather it be someone who had more of a relationship with him, as well as some business savvy, though I'm not sure who that would be, sadly.

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It is becoming increasingly obvious that nobody really gave a shti about Prince. We all knew it, but I always held on to some hope. What a f'ing shame that like Bodhi said 'neglect', played a part in taking this musical genius away from us.

We as fans have done more research on his death then his own family even bothered to do.

Thank you. You got a point about his family. Some of this loneliness was just bad luck. Parents were dead. Siblings were much older and he didn't grow up with him. I think he should have reached out more to his sister, her family and his half-brother. But sometimes, people don't have a lot in common.

I feel for PennyPurple because she seems heartbroken by Prince's end and his circumstances. But the problem, in my opinion, wasn't that people hated Prince or wished him harm or were indifferent even.. Most people are inherently a little selfish but they are also mostly decent (IMO). They probably lost patience at times with his giving folks the runaround or being cryptic or the unpredictable nature of his interactions, but overall, if he had been upfront and asked for help, I think they would have provided it. The problem stems from Prince's fears and his walls being too high when he was at his most vulnerable. I think more observant people (especially the older associates) were worried about him but didn't know what good it would do to go to him directly or even how to reach him. I don't think Prince disliked people or was an misanthrope or was "cold" but I do believe he was trapped a bit too much in his head, in his music, and in his subterfuges to be changed easily. He didn't have a cell phone, very few people knew his landline phone number (and those who did probably couldn't count on him to answer it partly due to his touring schedule) and his email was under another name and the dozen or so people who knew it probably couldn't rely on him to always respond to it. Well-wishers after the Molene got cryptic "I'm Fine" answers back. Prince reminds me of a turtle in its shell, peaking its head out to engage with others (in his case through musical interactions with whichever band he was primarily working with at the time, through cryptic humorous emails, through musical mentorship, through religious conversations with brethern, and late night phone calls) but pulling its head back in with its uncomfortable. Those turtle shells are impenetrable sometimes. I think it was LIsa who said that Prince didn't do "vulnerable". Prince needed psychological help and drug rehab. I don't think his last staff was uncaring as much as overwhelmed, a bit self-involved, confounded, too protective of his privacy and a bit in awe of his fame. I remember reading that Kirk was often overwhelmed by Prince and was hired, fired, and rehired quite often. Perhaps, Prince understood that he could pull the wool over his eyes better than others. Prince was a puzzle, full of compartments, hard to unlock and unfortunately working alone a lot at the end of his life. I understand why Lisa said that the Piano and MIcrophone tour was him giving up. He was giving up on communal life in the sense that a band provides.

disch said:

I've spent way too much time considering his death but I wouldn't call what i've done "research." I have no additional information or answers about what was going on in his private world.

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I think his private life was complication. The fact is he had no close family. His parents were dead and these sibling were in many cases much older and he never really had a relationship with them even when he wasn't famous. Some of that is just the luck of the draw.

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But the reality is, he also pushed people away. I don't agree that every single person who was ever meaningful in his life is just an inherently shitty person. Some of them moved on with their lives when Prince made it clear that's what he wanted. Fame adds a huge complicating layer to relationships, I imagine.

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PennyPurple said:

It is becoming increasingly obvious that nobody really gave a shti about Prince. We all knew it, but I always held on to some hope. What a f'ing shame that like Bodhi said 'neglect', played a part in taking this musical genius away from us.

We as fans have done more research on his death then his own family even bothered to do.

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[Edited 6/21/18 9:06am]

I honest to God don't think most of his family members cared about him by 2016. He was - if he had any contact with them - a cash register. There was talk after his death that he had relationships with two women - one in Minnesota and another on an island. Judith Hill was not mentioned. The two relationships in question were classified as platonic (island) and romantic (Minnesota). I had never heard of either one.

SkipperLove said:

Thank you. You got a point about his family. Some of this loneliness was just bad luck. Parents were dead. Siblings were much older and he didn't grow up with him. I think he should have reached out more to his sister, her family and his half-brother. But sometimes, people don't have a lot in common.

I feel for PennyPurple because she seems heartbroken by Prince's end and his circumstances. But the problem, in my opinion, wasn't that people hated Prince or wished him harm or were indifferent even.. Most people are inherently a little selfish but they are also mostly decent (IMO). They probably lost patience at times with his giving folks the runaround or being cryptic or the unpredictable nature of his interactions, but overall, if he had been upfront and asked for help, I think they would have provided it. The problem stems from Prince's fears and his walls being too high when he was at his most vulnerable. I think more observant people (especially the older associates) were worried about him but didn't know what good it would do to go to him directly or even how to reach him. I don't think Prince disliked people or was an misanthrope or was "cold" but I do believe he was trapped a bit too much in his head, in his music, and in his subterfuges to be changed easily. He didn't have a cell phone, very few people knew his landline phone number (and those who did probably couldn't count on him to answer it partly due to his touring schedule) and his email was under another name and the dozen or so people who knew it probably couldn't rely on him to always respond to it. Well-wishers after the Molene got cryptic "I'm Fine" answers back. Prince reminds me of a turtle in its shell, peaking its head out to engage with others (in his case through musical interactions with whichever band he was primarily working with at the time, through cryptic humorous emails, through musical mentorship, through religious conversations with brethern, and late night phone calls) but pulling its head back in with its uncomfortable. Those turtle shells are impenetrable sometimes. I think it was LIsa who said that Prince didn't do "vulnerable". Prince needed psychological help and drug rehab. I don't think his last staff was uncaring as much as overwhelmed, a bit self-involved, confounded, too protective of his privacy and a bit in awe of his fame. I remember reading that Kirk was often overwhelmed by Prince and was hired, fired, and rehired quite often. Perhaps, Prince understood that he could pull the wool over his eyes better than others. Prince was a puzzle, full of compartments, hard to unlock and unfortunately working alone a lot at the end of his life. I understand why Lisa said that the Piano and MIcrophone tour was him giving up. He was giving up on communal life in the sense that a band provides.

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[Edited 6/21/18 9:06am]

I feel bad for anybody who has nobody. Even if his parents were alive, I don't think he had much of a connection, other then him providing for them. I think he tried on and off with them but it really didn't work out as a parent/child relationship.

My mom always says that people show their true colors when someone dies, and I believe it. It's sad.

PennyPurple said:

SkipperLove said:

Thank you. You got a point about his family. Some of this loneliness was just bad luck. Parents were dead. Siblings were much older and he didn't grow up with him. I think he should have reached out more to his sister, her family and his half-brother. But sometimes, people don't have a lot in common.

I feel for PennyPurple because she seems heartbroken by Prince's end and his circumstances. But the problem, in my opinion, wasn't that people hated Prince or wished him harm or were indifferent even.. Most people are inherently a little selfish but they are also mostly decent (IMO). They probably lost patience at times with his giving folks the runaround or being cryptic or the unpredictable nature of his interactions, but overall, if he had been upfront and asked for help, I think they would have provided it. The problem stems from Prince's fears and his walls being too high when he was at his most vulnerable. I think more observant people (especially the older associates) were worried about him but didn't know what good it would do to go to him directly or even how to reach him. I don't think Prince disliked people or was an misanthrope or was "cold" but I do believe he was trapped a bit too much in his head, in his music, and in his subterfuges to be changed easily. He didn't have a cell phone, very few people knew his landline phone number (and those who did probably couldn't count on him to answer it partly due to his touring schedule) and his email was under another name and the dozen or so people who knew it probably couldn't rely on him to always respond to it. Well-wishers after the Molene got cryptic "I'm Fine" answers back. Prince reminds me of a turtle in its shell, peaking its head out to engage with others (in his case through musical interactions with whichever band he was primarily working with at the time, through cryptic humorous emails, through musical mentorship, through religious conversations with brethern, and late night phone calls) but pulling its head back in with its uncomfortable. Those turtle shells are impenetrable sometimes. I think it was LIsa who said that Prince didn't do "vulnerable". Prince needed psychological help and drug rehab. I don't think his last staff was uncaring as much as overwhelmed, a bit self-involved, confounded, too protective of his privacy and a bit in awe of his fame. I remember reading that Kirk was often overwhelmed by Prince and was hired, fired, and rehired quite often. Perhaps, Prince understood that he could pull the wool over his eyes better than others. Prince was a puzzle, full of compartments, hard to unlock and unfortunately working alone a lot at the end of his life. I understand why Lisa said that the Piano and MIcrophone tour was him giving up. He was giving up on communal life in the sense that a band provides.

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[Edited 6/21/18 9:06am]

I feel bad for anybody who has nobody. Even if his parents were alive, I don't think he had much of a connection, other then him providing for them. I think he tried on and off with them but it really didn't work out as a parent/child relationship.

My mom always says that people show their true colors when someone dies, and I believe it. It's sad.

I agree with you Penny but would add that anyone on this site who has been successfully married for a long time knows that healthy relationships require work, compromise, flexibility, deep commitment, loyalty, patience...you know the drill. Prince was unable to deliver in several of these categories. His isolation was a Hell of his own making. Granted, what real-life models did he have? And the biz he was in was not known for monogamous/stable pairing...but I don't think he tried very hard. Long known for 'being in touch with his female side' he was surprisingly out-of-sync with what the women beside him in real life wanted, needed and deserved. So they left. JMO.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

I feel bad for anybody who has nobody. Even if his parents were alive, I don't think he had much of a connection, other then him providing for them. I think he tried on and off with them but it really didn't work out as a parent/child relationship.

My mom always says that people show their true colors when someone dies, and I believe it. It's sad.

I agree with you Penny but would add that anyone on this site who has been successfully married for a long time knows that healthy relationships require work, compromise, flexibility, deep commitment, loyalty, patience...you know the drill. Prince was unable to deliver in several of these categories. His isolation was a Hell of his own making. Granted, what real-life models did he have? And the biz he was in was not known for monogamous/stable pairing...but I don't think he tried very hard. Long known for 'being in touch with his female side' he was surprisingly out-of-sync with what the women beside him in real life wanted, needed and deserved. So they left. JMO.

Yes, marriage is a lot of work, I've been married 34 years now and it's still work.

I agree Bodhi it was of his own making. Sadly.

I think he had more of a connection with his parents than his siblings, that's for sure. Granted, they were off-and-on and his childhood had its distance. But I have read many more accounts of seeing P with his dad or mom than with his sister.

PennyPurple said:

SkipperLove said:

Thank you. You got a point about his family. Some of this loneliness was just bad luck. Parents were dead. Siblings were much older and he didn't grow up with him. I think he should have reached out more to his sister, her family and his half-brother. But sometimes, people don't have a lot in common.

I feel for PennyPurple because she seems heartbroken by Prince's end and his circumstances. But the problem, in my opinion, wasn't that people hated Prince or wished him harm or were indifferent even.. Most people are inherently a little selfish but they are also mostly decent (IMO). They probably lost patience at times with his giving folks the runaround or being cryptic or the unpredictable nature of his interactions, but overall, if he had been upfront and asked for help, I think they would have provided it. The problem stems from Prince's fears and his walls being too high when he was at his most vulnerable. I think more observant people (especially the older associates) were worried about him but didn't know what good it would do to go to him directly or even how to reach him. I don't think Prince disliked people or was an misanthrope or was "cold" but I do believe he was trapped a bit too much in his head, in his music, and in his subterfuges to be changed easily. He didn't have a cell phone, very few people knew his landline phone number (and those who did probably couldn't count on him to answer it partly due to his touring schedule) and his email was under another name and the dozen or so people who knew it probably couldn't rely on him to always respond to it. Well-wishers after the Molene got cryptic "I'm Fine" answers back. Prince reminds me of a turtle in its shell, peaking its head out to engage with others (in his case through musical interactions with whichever band he was primarily working with at the time, through cryptic humorous emails, through musical mentorship, through religious conversations with brethern, and late night phone calls) but pulling its head back in with its uncomfortable. Those turtle shells are impenetrable sometimes. I think it was LIsa who said that Prince didn't do "vulnerable". Prince needed psychological help and drug rehab. I don't think his last staff was uncaring as much as overwhelmed, a bit self-involved, confounded, too protective of his privacy and a bit in awe of his fame. I remember reading that Kirk was often overwhelmed by Prince and was hired, fired, and rehired quite often. Perhaps, Prince understood that he could pull the wool over his eyes better than others. Prince was a puzzle, full of compartments, hard to unlock and unfortunately working alone a lot at the end of his life. I understand why Lisa said that the Piano and MIcrophone tour was him giving up. He was giving up on communal life in the sense that a band provides.

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[Edited 6/21/18 9:06am]

I feel bad for anybody who has nobody. Even if his parents were alive, I don't think he had much of a connection, other then him providing for them. I think he tried on and off with them but it really didn't work out as a parent/child relationship.

My mom always says that people show their true colors when someone dies, and I believe it. It's sad.

He didnt' make himself, if that makes sense. I am not sure he knew how to make relationships work in any consistent way that jelled with his work ethic and the temptations of his biz..(like you said.) I don't think he got much guidance in terms of socialization as a kid (even though I think he may have bonded at times with his parents as an adult.). Wasn't there talk on here about possible autism brought on by epilepsy? If that was the case, helping him cope should have been his parents' first priority when he was a kid. It does sound like Andre Anderson (cymone)'s house was a better place for him after all. People will say you can't blame your childhood? But it sounds like it was a combination of childhood influences, emotional abandonment brought on by overworking, inflexible parents, and his own neurological issues combined with the complexities of fame. One thing I think is triumphant about Prince was his ability to bring out the best sides of himself and even others through his songs/music. His lyrics can be very warm, funny, sweet. That imagination doesn't come from a blank slate but from him. I imagine the smallest personal interactions meant a lot to him and went right into his songs.. Also, he was suprisingly generous in his sense of humor. He loved to laugh with people and play.

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I agree with you Penny but would add that anyone on this site who has been successfully married for a long time knows that healthy relationships require work, compromise, flexibility, deep commitment, loyalty, patience...you know the drill. Prince was unable to deliver in several of these categories. His isolation was a Hell of his own making. Granted, what real-life models did he have? And the biz he was in was not known for monogamous/stable pairing...but I don't think he tried very hard. Long known for 'being in touch with his female side' he was surprisingly out-of-sync with what the women beside him in real life wanted, needed and deserved. So they left. JMO.

Yes, marriage is a lot of work, I've been married 34 years now and it's still work.

I agree Bodhi it was of his own making. Sadly.

SkipperLove said:

He didnt' make himself, if that makes sense. I am not sure he knew how to make relationships work in any consistent way that jelled with his work ethic and the temptations of his biz..(like you said.) I don't think he got much guidance in terms of socialization as a kid (even though I think he may have bonded at times with his parents as an adult.). Wasn't there talk on here about possible autism brought on by epilepsy? If that was the case, helping him cope should have been his parents' first priority when he was a kid. It does sound like Andre Anderson (cymone)'s house was a better place for him after all. People will say you can't blame your childhood? But it sounds like it was a combination of childhood influences, emotional abandonment brought on by overworking, inflexible parents, and his own neurological issues combined with the complexities of fame. One thing I think is triumphant about Prince was his ability to bring out the best sides of himself and even others through his songs/music. His lyrics can be very warm, funny, sweet. That imagination doesn't come from a blank slate but from him. I imagine the smallest personal interactions meant a lot to him and went right into his songs.. Also, he was suprisingly generous in his sense of humor. He loved to laugh with people and play.

PennyPurple said:

Yes, marriage is a lot of work, I've been married 34 years now and it's still work.

I agree Bodhi it was of his own making. Sadly.

What a gorgeous observation, SL, I agree...I think he was very sensitive and sweet charming and his songs show he ALWAYS longed for love: the real and forever kind...he just didn't know how to get there.

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I agree with you Penny but would add that anyone on this site who has been successfully married for a long time knows that healthy relationships require work, compromise, flexibility, deep commitment, loyalty, patience...you know the drill. Prince was unable to deliver in several of these categories. His isolation was a Hell of his own making. Granted, what real-life models did he have? And the biz he was in was not known for monogamous/stable pairing...but I don't think he tried very hard. Long known for 'being in touch with his female side' he was surprisingly out-of-sync with what the women beside him in real life wanted, needed and deserved. So they left. JMO.

Yes, marriage is a lot of work, I've been married 34 years now and it's still work.

I agree Bodhi it was of his own making. Sadly.

don't know about that, in my life i haven't seen that many happy, healthy marriages, or even happy healthy individuals, you put people with issues together and so many people have deep seated, issues in this country, so many people abuse drugs and alcohol in this country, and couples fight over money constantly, it's not something that would have helped Prince, especially in his position, it's impossible for most men in that situation not to play around, not to get distracted with their careers and the woman ends up pissed off over it and taking half his shit, then the guy is pissed. Not a lot of fun.

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes, marriage is a lot of work, I've been married 34 years now and it's still work.

I agree Bodhi it was of his own making. Sadly.

don't know about that, in my life i haven't seen that many happy, healthy marriages, or even happy healthy individuals, you put people with issues together and so many people have deep seated, issues in this country, so many people abuse drugs and alcohol in this country, and couples fight over money constantly, it's not something that would have helped Prince, especially in his position, it's impossible for most men in that situation not to play around, not to get distracted with their careers and the woman ends up pissed off over it and taking half his shit, then the guy is pissed. Not a lot of fun.

And now we know why some marriages don't last......it's their shit, not just his.

PennyPurple said:

I realize that nothing will bring him back but damn!! This was from the article: Inside the drug that killed Petty & Prince.

And makes you wonder why she is filing suit against the hospital and the pharmacy.

Prince’s sister Tyka Nelson, says she is not concerned that the state of Minnesota didn't arrest anyone for the fentanyl found in her brother's body: “I thought, ‘Let’s move on,’ ” she says. “You can charge 20,000 people and toss them in jail. Will that bring my brother back? It’s not. It didn’t matter if it was a knife or a gun or fentayl. If it doesn’t bring back my brother, it didn’t matter."

Tell Tyka it DOES matter. It DOES matter Tyka! I want the answers to the questions , why, what, when and who. Because Prince is not just a ( or your) brother.

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

don't know about that, in my life i haven't seen that many happy, healthy marriages, or even happy healthy individuals, you put people with issues together and so many people have deep seated, issues in this country, so many people abuse drugs and alcohol in this country, and couples fight over money constantly, it's not something that would have helped Prince, especially in his position, it's impossible for most men in that situation not to play around, not to get distracted with their careers and the woman ends up pissed off over it and taking half his shit, then the guy is pissed. Not a lot of fun.

And now we know why some marriages don't last......it's their shit, not just his.

when either partner is bringing in the lions share of the money it shouldn't be "their shit" but the laws are structured to keep all of us fighting each other. And it's not just the men who get ripped off, if a woman is the one making the money she does too. I'm convinced it's intentional, just to keep what we called in sociology "all against all" while the one who does all the rulemaking and the deciding laughs their asses off at us. Anyway, my main point is "all against all" it's why i try not to let people too close because it never fails, they turn on me, I really don't think we can help it, we're bred that way, we're stressed the fuck out and then throw in the easy accessiblity of drugs and alcohol and it's the spark for dynamite.

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said:

And they won't stop trying to change the narrative, when they have 618 posts and 616 of them are on this very thread of part 10, you know what they are doing.

Wow. Apologies if any of that is directed towards me as I shared part of my story. I did this to give example of what I learned about functioning addiction/accidental overdose. Wasn't trying to derail or rewrite any narrative. Thought it might be helpful info/insight into what may have happened in his situation because of the high levels found in his body and reported in investigation report/autopsy.

Absolutely not directed towards you. The thread was being derailed and polluted with so many "side bars"/audibles . I don't have a problem with a person who wants to write about a personal experience( from their own use) or perhaps, a family member who may have similar issues. There is obviously a heart felt connection with regards to how Prince died and I truly can respect that. I think people who posts such personal facts, are doing far more good than the family members who can't seem to acknowledge the very addiction the man had.

However, what tends to happen after that is that certain posters will piggy back off of the statements and derail the thread with things like "Elvis' plane, what color Prince's nails were , Mani's weave, etc. etc. etc... for days on end. These are usually the emptiest vessels that make the loudest noise. It is apparent the they do not have any information to add/don't research anything (yet beg for it) , thereby substituting their lack of information with something they deem more important. In doing so , the narrative of the investigation becomes watered down into some sub-chapter of the thread itself and subsequent to such irrelevance, consumes and distracts fellow participants in the thread. This serves to indicate one purpose , as in: There is nothing more to add. I have been tempted to put a more concise sequence of events together with proper dates/time/statements/notes(personal) and so forth, but it is exhausting.

There is a ton more information in those files, and I would venture to say that we have barely scratched the surface in some regards. A full and complete analysis would yield a hell of a lot more information. When you invest that much time ( as some of us have) ,the last thing you want to see is it all go to waste because a few posters intended on ending this chapter/saga instead of starting their own thread with its' relevant content.

Again, the previous post certainly was not directed towards you. I know your posting history. I probably should not have painted with such a broad brush.

At the least, we are back on track for however long that may last.