maybe -- or perhaps the pills were divided the way he received from his supplier(s), and the batches came at different times, from different sources and had different composition. (I'd have to go back and re-read that part of the files. I don't remember all the details of the pill composition and location, honestly.)

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

disch said:

Because he didn't know what almost killed him on the plane. He knew he took a few different pills and that he lost consciousness. Neither he nor the pills were tested at that time, so he didn't have any of the info that we have now about fentanyl.

I question whether he knew or not.

If you recall, the investigation stated the pills were disbursed in the bottles by what they contained.

The Bayer bottle, which was the same bottle that contained the pill which was given to the doctor in Moline, consisted of Fentanyl and Lidocaine. There were 64 1/4 pills in the Bayer bottle.

The Aleve bottle contained Lidocaine only pills. There were 21 1/2 pills in the Aleve bottle.

I think P knew which bottle contained the stronger substance.

Have been lurking here for a while and having read the investigative reports (didn't listen to audios however), unfortunately, I am leaning more towards the possibility of suicide for the reasons many have presented. I too think Prince knew that the Bayer bottle had stronger stuff and was almost protective of that bottle until he might have gotten a bit spooked about its potency in Molene. By the 20th, I don't think he cared that it was strong enough to kill him. What a hellish week he must have been having--to go from having a degree of self concern to resignation.

Another thought,
narcan blocks nerve censors making opiods ineffective--I believe-- for three days. I also believe his blood test on the 20th had no fentanyl. So it stands to reason, as bad as his addiction was, he was enduring on no drugs for at least a little while and less potent drugs for at least the 18th and 19th... Why fall off the wagon (so to speak) to that extent the night before when help was supposedly on the way the next day--that is, if he knew it was coming. I think he knew his folks were looking to get him help/rehab (may not have known all the details but knew enough to go to Shulbarg's the day before and may have even asked them to help him). He might have went along with it just to get them to leave him alone so he could do what he wanted to do or could think through what he wanted to do in private..

. I also think that possibly there was a pivot in his mind that occurred the moment when he realized that the only way to survive was to re-invent his life and his coping mechanisms and face his vulnerabilites (physically, psychologically, emotionally) head-on...Scary life-changing prospect. Fear might have done him in. The irony is that taking one's life is an act of great fear and great courage. I also think he was exhausted. I don't entirely know Prince's drug history. I suspect it was varied and complicated. I can't imagine Dr. D was telling the truth (only because Prince had too much endurance and longevity). But in 2014, I suspect, he resigned himself to the fact that drugs might probably eventually take his life but he will just play until the end (and live as much as possible in the now). There are some trippy lyrics in Art Official Age and a degree of resignation (even I dare-say peace),,If one can be both depressed about life and at peace spiritually at the same time, that's what songs like Way Back HOme sound like.

.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

disch said:

Because he didn't know what almost killed him on the plane. He knew he took a few different pills and that he lost consciousness. Neither he nor the pills were tested at that time, so he didn't have any of the info that we have now about fentanyl.

I question whether he knew or not.

If you recall, the investigation stated the pills were disbursed in the bottles by what they contained.

The Bayer bottle, which was the same bottle that contained the pill which was given to the doctor in Moline, consisted of Fentanyl and Lidocaine. There were 64 1/4 pills in the Bayer bottle.

The Aleve bottle contained Lidocaine only pills. There were 21 1/2 pills in the Aleve bottle.

I think P knew which bottle contained the stronger substance.

[Edited 6/19/18 23:06pm]

[Edited 6/20/18 0:14am]

Well said.

PeteSilas said:

1Sasha said:

I thought the JWs believe when you die, you do not go to Heaven. You disappear. Then, at a later time, you may be re-conjured in Paradise. Anyone here an expert on JW?

no expert but in my teen years i had a mini-addiction to their doctrines for some strange reason. they believe when you die you are dead, nothing until the ressurection, then for a thousand years people will be allowed to prove themselves and after that only 144,000 will be judged righteous enough to live forever, kinda screwy and I might have a detail or two wrong, it's been over 30 years but that's the gist of it. i'm sure we have some JW or former JW in here somewhere.

Thanks, PeteSilas.

PeteSilas said:

kmama07 said:

PeteSilas said: There was a time I thought it was a possibility, but after reading the interviews, don't you think it (a chronic/terminal illness) would have been brought up to the staff who worked on him in Moline? JMO [Edited 5/15/18 14:53pm]

ya, that's the point that i see that makes that unlikely, i'm not 100 percent there yet though. I'm not 100 percent that he committed suicide or that he accidentally did it either. Only 100 percent that he's dead.

im way behind the dicsussion on this and still playing catch up

but they only released cause of death on autopsy. no details of previous medical history or of any ailments would be mentioned to protect his privacy as they knew these would become public. Those are sealed for another 25 years (?). I believe some further details may have been released to a select few through a court order

If Prince had a termianl illness he would not have shared it with anyone - we knew his traits and this like his pain would have been managed in his own way

Also interesting to note that a lot of the posts on these death hreads are from people joinging after his passing. So is the converstaion being sterring in a certain direction by these people - who knows but I fidnn it interesting

SkipperLove said:

Have been lurking here for a while and having read the investigative reports (didn't listen to audios however), unfortunately, I am leaning more towards the possibility of suicide for the reasons many have presented. I too think Prince knew that the Bayer bottle had stronger stuff and was almost protective of that bottle until he might have gotten a bit spooked about its potency in Molene. By the 20th, I don't think he cared that it was strong enough to kill him. What a hellish week he must have been having--to go from having a degree of self concern to resignation.

Another thought,
narcan blocks nerve censors making opiods ineffective--I believe-- for three days. I also believe his blood test on the 20th had no fentanyl. So it stands to reason, as bad as his addiction was, he was enduring on no drugs for at least a little while and less potent drugs for at least the 18th and 19th... Why fall off the wagon (so to speak) to that extent the night before when help was supposedly on the way the next day--that is, if he knew it was coming. I think he knew his folks were looking to get him help/rehab (may not have known all the details but knew enough to go to Shulbarg's the day before and may have even asked them to help him). He might have went along with it just to get them to leave him alone so he could do what he wanted to do or could think through what he wanted to do in private..

. I also think that possibly there was a pivot in his mind that occurred the moment when he realized that the only way to survive was to re-invent his life and his coping mechanisms and face his vulnerabilites (physically, psychologically, emotionally) head-on...Scary life-changing prospect. Fear might have done him in. The irony is that taking one's life is an act of great fear and great courage. I also think he was exhausted. I don't entirely know Prince's drug history. I suspect it was varied and complicated. I can't imagine Dr. D was telling the truth (only because Prince had too much endurance and longevity). But in 2014, I suspect, he resigned himself to the fact that drugs might probably eventually take his life but he will just play until the end (and live as much as possible in the now). There are some trippy lyrics in Art Official Age and a degree of resignation (even I dare-say peace),,If one can be both depressed about life and at peace spiritually at the same time, that's what songs like Way Back HOme sound like.

.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I question whether he knew or not.

If you recall, the investigation stated the pills were disbursed in the bottles by what they contained.

The Bayer bottle, which was the same bottle that contained the pill which was given to the doctor in Moline, consisted of Fentanyl and Lidocaine. There were 64 1/4 pills in the Bayer bottle.

The Aleve bottle contained Lidocaine only pills. There were 21 1/2 pills in the Aleve bottle.

I think P knew which bottle contained the stronger substance.

[Edited 6/19/18 23:06pm]

[Edited 6/20/18 0:14am]

BRILLIANT! Thank you...

The autopsy summary lists cause of death and contributing/secondary factors. A lot of information about his medical history etc. was included in the invesigation files. (I'm not aware of any court orders specifically around releasing his medical history, but Hipaa laws have particular exceptions relating to criminal investigations, which is why I believe we can see certain medical info/discussions there.) Definitely check out the investigation docs if you haven't yet and are interested.

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As far as what Prince would or wouldn't do based on what we fans "know" about him -- this whole thing has revealed that what we fans think we know about his personality and choices wasn't always correct (we knew him primarily via the public persona that he built) so I personally am hesitant to make many absolute declarations of things he would always or never do.

Madhouse6 said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, that's the point that i see that makes that unlikely, i'm not 100 percent there yet though. I'm not 100 percent that he committed suicide or that he accidentally did it either. Only 100 percent that he's dead.

im way behind the dicsussion on this and still playing catch up

but they only released cause of death on autopsy. no details of previous medical history or of any ailments would be mentioned to protect his privacy as they knew these would become public. Those are sealed for another 25 years (?). I believe some further details may have been released to a select few through a court order

If Prince had a termianl illness he would not have shared it with anyone - we knew his traits and this like his pain would have been managed in his own way

Also interesting to note that a lot of the posts on these death hreads are from people joinging after his passing. So is the converstaion being sterring in a certain direction by these people - who knows but I fidnn it interesting

[Edited 6/20/18 9:29am]

Music's Fentanyl Crisis: Inside the Drug That Killed Prince and Tom Petty

Here is a new article from Rolling Stone about physical pain, the financial need to tour, the physical demands of touring, the slippery slope of pill usage/fentanyl, and the various ways fentanyl can be gotten in the music industry. I don't know if it changes my mind about possible suicide (him not knowing entirely what was in that bottle doesn't mean he didn't want to take it deliberately)..but it does (in my opinion) eliminate the idea that there was foul play involved, that he was alone in his struggle and that people were heartless about his addiction. It seems to be a confusing, complex issue/crisis in the industry with very few solutions. Pain needs relief..and the only solutions seem to be quit working for a little while, admit the addiction and adjust accordingly. Prince's inability to do so was still giving up on his life in favor of his work...a decision that his family and friends had little power to change. Maybe for many musicians, the music is what relieves emotional and psychological pain and giving it up would feel like death. (I imagine that was the case with Prince.) In the investigative reports when it was discussed that Kirk and others had a dinner with Prince to try to convince him to take a rest, I think they were in fact referring to the drug usage (in directly). The drugs were being used to keep working. BTW, I find Tyka's comment in the article to be a bit selfish but emotionally understandable.

Article...

https://www.rollingstone....y-w521674

a poignant quote that in my opinion suggests that many musicians [maybe some in prince's outfit] took/take pills for pain relief. Maybe, it is a constant battle to modify and keep track of the magic amount/potency that will allow for relief but keep you alive, cognizant, functional and healthy as possible. The only way to survive seems to be stop making music for a while.

Artists are touring more than ever before. “The stress of the road is very difficult, but that’s where the money is,” says Harold Owens, senior director of MusiCares, the Grammy-connected assistance program. “So they go on these long tours, and physically it’s horrible. They’re not eating right or taking care of themselves.”

Many of those hard-touring acts – at or near what would be retirement age in other professions – are dealing with the long-term effects of life on the road. “We’re all older, and people are starting to have carpal tunnel and injuries from playing,” says Bonnie Raitt, a recovering addict herself, who was forced to cancel an upcoming tour with James Taylor due to health problems. “It’s very difficult to not take pain meds.”

[Edited 6/20/18 10:34am]

disch said:

The autopsy summary lists cause of death and contributing/secondary factors. A lot of information about his medical history etc. was included in the invesigation files. (I'm not aware of any court orders specifically around releasing his medical history, but Hipaa laws have particular exceptions relating to criminal investigations, which is why I believe we can see certain medical info/discussions there.) Definitely check out the investigation docs if you haven't yet and are interested.

-

As far as what Prince would or wouldn't do based on what we fans "know" about him -- this whole thing has revealed that what we fans think we know about his personality and choices wasn't always correct (we knew him primarily via the public persona that he built) so I personally am hesitant to make many absolute declarations of things he would always or never do.

Madhouse6 said:

im way behind the dicsussion on this and still playing catch up

but they only released cause of death on autopsy. no details of previous medical history or of any ailments would be mentioned to protect his privacy as they knew these would become public. Those are sealed for another 25 years (?). I believe some further details may have been released to a select few through a court order

If Prince had a termianl illness he would not have shared it with anyone - we knew his traits and this like his pain would have been managed in his own way

Also interesting to note that a lot of the posts on these death hreads are from people joinging after his passing. So is the converstaion being sterring in a certain direction by these people - who knows but I fidnn it interesting

[Edited 6/20/18 9:29am]

The contributing/secondary factors were already listed on the summary. It was edited out.
It was N/A or blank out did you see the report? Four items were listed as N/A. Whatever the four N/A listed under N/A likely links to stigma.
And why the police refused to reveal or mentioned how much tablets that Prince could have swallowed or had swallow?
Also, I saw a text screenshot picture of either Prince or Kirk had herpes and was asking for medicine to treat it, and someone who read all the files said that was left out the files official released. I read some of the documents and I think some of the statements are edited out or not released like Tyka's statement. Tyka released a statement. Why was hers not released? And also Kirk released a statement too why wasn't his released? But they had no problem released Omarr's statement, among others. There were also 40 items not released to the public and why the police refused to released the info if the case was closed in Carver County? If they were so graphic as Prince didn't found that way, then they had nothing to lose since Prince's pictures body was released. I bet they might have revealed that Prince was dying and the investigators wanted to release information that focus on Prince's drug addiction to help control the narrative.
Come on people think! Anyone continued to believe solely the official information is all there is to is naive especially as the estate is so desperate to control the narrative for money. That is why I stand firm of refuse to support the estate because I am disgusted how they wanted Prince to portrayed as being a junkie, and likely he was terminally ill that was why I believed Prince was using higher dosage of medicine during the last few years to relieve pain and to treat some undisclosed illiness.
I am sticking with the suicide theory. I was told he was sick and not because of the drugs via orgnotes of my old account under the same name. I read off other forums that people who were no longer on the org got orgnotes too from people who knew Prince that he was dying. And shortly after Prince passed, under TMZ and Yahoo comments section, I saw a couple Prince associates used their real name said Prince was ill and not from the drugs and wanted fans to focus on the music like Prince wanted them to. And plus Prince send Judith Hill and his bodyguard and the chef home and that was unusual they said the same week he passed. I also saw comments from people on social media said they were told by associates that Prince was terminally ill too via messaging. And one of his final pictures he had a teardrop. He wore black a lot during his last days. And I believed P/M tour was his goodbye. His HitNRun was his goodbye albums I believed. And Tyka told in the media she knew for two years and told Andre and his sister the picture that Prince sent. Plus Morris Day, Susannah, Susan Rogers, Shelby J, one of his photographers all hinted Prince knew his time was up without saying it in their interviews.
Also, I always believed with the shadiness employees he had that he was being taken advantage of because he was ill.
The estate and the investigators are doing all this extra censuring and controlling the narratives just for some fucking money is crazy. When the truth comes out (it will since so many people knows it and the persons who orgnote me said some people wanted to come out to tell what actually happened but were told by industry and Prince inner circle to keep quiet about what happened because they worried it could mess up Prince's legacy), it would be some mad folks as they felt they were played for being what publicly told. That would be not telling that Prince was ill from the getgo and that is considering lying and deception to the fans.
This is all I am going to share of this issue. I am not trying to get people to agree but when shady characters are not being upfront to the law enforcement and did some activities that raised eyebrows, the police refused to release those 40 items to the public include Tyka and Kirk's statements too the ones were very closed to him during his final days, believing from the same sources is very short-sighted and foolish.

People are going to think what they are going to think.

[Edited 6/20/18 10:34am]

I surmise (in this dang age), that recreational drug users in the music industry might have a better shot of beating their habits than those who use in order to relieve pain. The sad irony is that when a rock star dies from drugs these days, the public assumes they are self-indulgent, hedonistic "druggies" (and are cruel and unsympathetic) , but its the self-indulgent, hedonistic "druggies" who seem to have a better shot (these days) at surviving their ordeal. They know more what they are doing where drugs are concerned and take breaks. They indulge in life and self-preserve when things get rough for them. They have no shame about their drugs so reach out for help when their addictions get out of hand. I think these are some of the reasons Prince is dead but Keith Richards is still alive. There are some exceptions like whitney and amy winehouse...maybe its different for women due to wearing their hearts on their sleeves a bit more.

"n/a" doesn't mean that is was redacted due to stigma. It means the medical examiner determined there were no relevant contributing or secondary factors ("not applicable"). The autopsy summary is a legal document and she's required by law the make information in the categories it lists publicly available, stigma or not (I actually emailed the ME's office directly about this 2 years ago when the document was released. They sent me back a boilerplate explanation of the document).

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I doubt something like herpes would have been considered a contributing factor to his death.

ladygirl99 said:

disch said:

The autopsy summary lists cause of death and contributing/secondary factors. A lot of information about his medical history etc. was included in the invesigation files. (I'm not aware of any court orders specifically around releasing his medical history, but Hipaa laws have particular exceptions relating to criminal investigations, which is why I believe we can see certain medical info/discussions there.) Definitely check out the investigation docs if you haven't yet and are interested.

-

As far as what Prince would or wouldn't do based on what we fans "know" about him -- this whole thing has revealed that what we fans think we know about his personality and choices wasn't always correct (we knew him primarily via the public persona that he built) so I personally am hesitant to make many absolute declarations of things he would always or never do.

[Edited 6/20/18 9:29am]

The contributing/secondary factors were already listed on the summary. It was edited out.
It was N/A or blank out did you see the report? Four items were listed as N/A. Whatever the four N/A listed under N/A likely links to stigma.
And why the police refused to reveal or mentioned how much tablets that Prince could have swallowed or had swallow?
Also, I saw a text screenshot picture of either Prince or Kirk had herpes and was asking for medicine to treat it, and someone who read all the files said that was left out the files official released. I read some of the documents and I think some of the statements are edited out or not released like Tyka's statement. Tyka released a statement. Why was hers not released? And also Kirk released a statement too why wasn't his released? But they had no problem released Omarr's statement, among others. There were also 40 items not released to the public and why the police refused to released the info if the case was closed in Carver County? If they were so graphic as Prince didn't found that way, then they had nothing to lose since Prince's pictures body was released. I bet they might have revealed that Prince was dying and the investigators wanted to release information that focus on Prince's drug addiction to help control the narrative.
Come on people think! Anyone continued to believe solely the official information is all there is to is naive especially as the estate is so desperate to control the narrative for money. That is why I stand firm of refuse to support the estate because I am disgusted how they wanted Prince to portrayed as being a junkie, and likely he was terminally ill that was why I believed Prince was using higher dosage of medicine during the last few years to relieve pain and to treat some undisclosed illiness.
I am sticking with the suicide theory. I was told he was sick and not because of the drugs via orgnotes of my old account under the same name. I read off other forums that people who were no longer on the org got orgnotes too from people who knew Prince that he was dying. And shortly after Prince passed, under TMZ and Yahoo comments section, I saw a couple Prince associates used their real name said Prince was ill and not from the drugs and wanted fans to focus on the music like Prince wanted them to. And plus Prince send Judith Hill and his bodyguard and the chef home and that was unusual they said the same week he passed. I also saw comments from people on social media said they were told by associates that Prince was terminally ill too via messaging. And one of his final pictures he had a teardrop. He wore black a lot during his last days. And I believed P/M tour was his goodbye. His HitNRun was his goodbye albums I believed. And Tyka told in the media she knew for two years and told Andre and his sister the picture that Prince sent. Plus Morris Day, Susannah, Susan Rogers, Shelby J, one of his photographers all hinted Prince knew his time was up without saying it in their interviews.
Also, I always believed with the shadiness employees he had that he was being taken advantage of because he was ill.
The estate and the investigators are doing all this extra censuring and controlling the narratives just for some fucking money is crazy. When the truth comes out (it will since so many people knows it and the persons who orgnote me said some people wanted to come out to tell what actually happened but were told by industry and Prince inner circle to keep quiet about what happened because they worried it could mess up Prince's legacy), it would be some mad folks as they felt they were played for being what publicly told. That would be not telling that Prince was ill from the getgo and that is considering lying and deception to the fans.
This is all I am going to share of this issue. I am not trying to get people to agree but when shady characters are not being upfront to the law enforcement and did some activities that raised eyebrows, the police refused to release those 40 items to the public include Tyka and Kirk's statements too the ones were very closed to him during his final days, believing from the same sources is very short-sighted and foolish.

People are going to think what they are going to think.

[Edited 6/20/18 10:34am]

disch said:

"n/a" doesn't mean that is was redacted due to stigma. It means the medical examiner determined there were no relevant contributing or secondary factors ("not applicable"). The autopsy summary is a legal document and she's required by law the make information in the categories it lists publicly available, stigma or not (I actually emailed the ME's office directly about this 2 years ago when the document was released. They sent me back a boilerplate explanation of the document).

-

I doubt something like herpes would have been considered a contributing factor to his death.

ladygirl99 said:

The contributing/secondary factors were already listed on the summary. It was edited out.
It was N/A or blank out did you see the report? Four items were listed as N/A. Whatever the four N/A listed under N/A likely links to stigma.
And why the police refused to reveal or mentioned how much tablets that Prince could have swallowed or had swallow?
Also, I saw a text screenshot picture of either Prince or Kirk had herpes and was asking for medicine to treat it, and someone who read all the files said that was left out the files official released. I read some of the documents and I think some of the statements are edited out or not released like Tyka's statement. Tyka released a statement. Why was hers not released? And also Kirk released a statement too why wasn't his released? But they had no problem released Omarr's statement, among others. There were also 40 items not released to the public and why the police refused to released the info if the case was closed in Carver County? If they were so graphic as Prince didn't found that way, then they had nothing to lose since Prince's pictures body was released. I bet they might have revealed that Prince was dying and the investigators wanted to release information that focus on Prince's drug addiction to help control the narrative.
Come on people think! Anyone continued to believe solely the official information is all there is to is naive especially as the estate is so desperate to control the narrative for money. That is why I stand firm of refuse to support the estate because I am disgusted how they wanted Prince to portrayed as being a junkie, and likely he was terminally ill that was why I believed Prince was using higher dosage of medicine during the last few years to relieve pain and to treat some undisclosed illiness.
I am sticking with the suicide theory. I was told he was sick and not because of the drugs via orgnotes of my old account under the same name. I read off other forums that people who were no longer on the org got orgnotes too from people who knew Prince that he was dying. And shortly after Prince passed, under TMZ and Yahoo comments section, I saw a couple Prince associates used their real name said Prince was ill and not from the drugs and wanted fans to focus on the music like Prince wanted them to. And plus Prince send Judith Hill and his bodyguard and the chef home and that was unusual they said the same week he passed. I also saw comments from people on social media said they were told by associates that Prince was terminally ill too via messaging. And one of his final pictures he had a teardrop. He wore black a lot during his last days. And I believed P/M tour was his goodbye. His HitNRun was his goodbye albums I believed. And Tyka told in the media she knew for two years and told Andre and his sister the picture that Prince sent. Plus Morris Day, Susannah, Susan Rogers, Shelby J, one of his photographers all hinted Prince knew his time was up without saying it in their interviews.
Also, I always believed with the shadiness employees he had that he was being taken advantage of because he was ill.
The estate and the investigators are doing all this extra censuring and controlling the narratives just for some fucking money is crazy. When the truth comes out (it will since so many people knows it and the persons who orgnote me said some people wanted to come out to tell what actually happened but were told by industry and Prince inner circle to keep quiet about what happened because they worried it could mess up Prince's legacy), it would be some mad folks as they felt they were played for being what publicly told. That would be not telling that Prince was ill from the getgo and that is considering lying and deception to the fans.
This is all I am going to share of this issue. I am not trying to get people to agree but when shady characters are not being upfront to the law enforcement and did some activities that raised eyebrows, the police refused to release those 40 items to the public include Tyka and Kirk's statements too the ones were very closed to him during his final days, believing from the same sources is very short-sighted and foolish.

People are going to think what they are going to think.

[Edited 6/20/18 10:34am]

Unless the NA become available to see and Tyka and Kirk's audio statements released and why the police refused to release information of those 40 items they retrieved, there is more to meet the eye, but oddly had no problem releasing other things, some were bullshit too, imo.

That is why I refused to accept things that are being told publicly and sometimes redacted means hiding something disguised under privacy, no? I can't speak for other fans as everyone have their own acceptance of information.

I am sooo done with conspiracy theories. The rolling Stone article I just read about the complex issue of pain relief and drugs in the industry has put the nail in that coffin for me. The only things I am inclined to believe about P's death is that it was either an accident or his own intentional doing (or something in between that was the result of Prince not caring about what was in those pills). Anything demonizing Prince or the people around him to explain away this tragedy and cast blame, I have little patience for. Okay, so some of his people were a bit shady and self-serving...well, that still doesnt make them murderers or drug providers or insincere in their pain over his death.. Yes, whoever gave him those drugs should go to jail, but I doubt it was anyone close to him or working for him who manufactured, purchased or handed him those pills. . Dealers/doctors are all over the place in the industry. Prince could have run into anyone of them on the road. the man was sneaky, we know that. But, even the dealer probably wasn't trying to kill the man. He was probably just being a typically greedy drug dealer. Its sounds like former employees want to blame latter employees for what happened to him, but to me it sounds like their own guilty consciences and unresolved issues with Prince. The sad tragic reality is that PRince didn't want to get better and lived too much for music. His music was glorious, inspiring, intoxicating. His endurance and energy were infectious. I imagine many employees got caught up in it and at the time thought he was indestructible. In retrospect, they now realize they may have let some behaviors of his (self destructive ones) slide because they were caught up in his fame, his charm, his endurance, his mystery, his force, the money, and cult-like nature of stardom. Once it was too obvious that he was in a bad place, they were powerless to stop it due to his tendency to isolate himself when he was feeling low or vulnerable and push naysayers out of his life. . I don't doubt for one second that most associates were geniunely sad when he died.

Well, cops/government agencies generally only release stuff that is pertinent to the case--supposed to anyhow. If people start talking in tangents, or start getting emotional, or start making references to unrelated subjects or give up personal information [phone numbers etc] of other people or start using portions of the interview to vent about grievances with the deceased or others, the cops aren't supposed to release that stuff. If the folks being interviewed repeat themselves, the cops are probably not obligated to release a person's restatements of the same things over and over again. Have you ever seen an F.B.I file (the ones on Lennon, Sinatra etc)? They black out half of the information and those are released under the Freedom of Information Act. As for the 40 items, maybe the cops thought they pertained to the case when they seized them and found out they were dead-ends and unrelated. Personal stuff that could embarass prince but serve no purpose in determining his cause of death (like pornography or odd music videos or depressing diary entries or even personal letters ). I do know there is no purpose to see an inventory of video tapes and DVD's but there is no harm either so they probably just left it in.

ladygirl99 said:

disch said:

"n/a" doesn't mean that is was redacted due to stigma. It means the medical examiner determined there were no relevant contributing or secondary factors ("not applicable"). The autopsy summary is a legal document and she's required by law the make information in the categories it lists publicly available, stigma or not (I actually emailed the ME's office directly about this 2 years ago when the document was released. They sent me back a boilerplate explanation of the document).

-

I doubt something like herpes would have been considered a contributing factor to his death.

Unless the NA become available to see and Tyka and Kirk's audio statements released and why the police refused to release information of those 40 items they retrieved, there is more to meet the eye, but oddly had no problem releasing other things, some were bullshit too, imo.

That is why I refused to accept things that are being told publicly and sometimes redacted means hiding something disguised under privacy, no? I can't speak for other fans as everyone have their own acceptance of information.

[Edited 6/20/18 11:18am]

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SkipperLove said:

Well, cops/government agencies generally only release stuff that is pertinent to the case--supposed to anyhow. If people start talking in tangents, or start getting emotional, or start making references to unrelated subjects or give up personal information [phone numbers etc] of other people or start using portions of the interview to vent about grievances with the deceased or others, the cops aren't supposed to release that stuff. If the folks being interviewed repeat themselves, the cops are probably not obligated to release a person's restatements of the same things over and over again. Have you ever seen an F.B.I file (the ones on Lennon, Sinatra etc)? They black out half of the information and those are released under the Freedom of Information Act. As for the 40 items, maybe the cops thought they pertained to the case when they seized them and found out they were dead-ends and unrelated. Personal stuff that could embarass prince but serve no purpose in determining his cause of death (like pornography or odd music videos or depressing diary entries or even personal letters ). I do know there is no purpose to see an inventory of video tapes and DVD's but there is no harm either so they probably just left it in.

ladygirl99 said:

Unless the NA become available to see and Tyka and Kirk's audio statements released and why the police refused to release information of those 40 items they retrieved, there is more to meet the eye, but oddly had no problem releasing other things, some were bullshit too, imo.

That is why I refused to accept things that are being told publicly and sometimes redacted means hiding something disguised under privacy, no? I can't speak for other fans as everyone have their own acceptance of information.

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[Edited 6/20/18 11:21am]

Have you read all the files or at least some of it? I heard some audio and read statements from people that I felt weren't related to the case. I even saw pictures of Prince's hair accessories so how is it related to the case? The questioned so why withhold Tyka and Kirk's statements among other people's statements and what were those 40 items it is hard to believe all were embarrassing things?

I am done with this thread too. I really hope that I get some more answers happen to my idol in my lifetime because something ain't right and people are still covering their asses to follow the money well they ain't getting mine.

disch said:

"n/a" doesn't mean that is was redacted due to stigma. It means the medical examiner determined there were no relevant contributing or secondary factors ("not applicable"). The autopsy summary is a legal document and she's required by law the make information in the categories it lists publicly available, stigma or not (I actually emailed the ME's office directly about this 2 years ago when the document was released. They sent me back a boilerplate explanation of the document).

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I doubt something like herpes would have been considered a contributing factor to his death.

ladygirl99 said:

The contributing/secondary factors were already listed on the summary. It was edited out.
It was N/A or blank out did you see the report? Four items were listed as N/A. Whatever the four N/A listed under N/A likely links to stigma.
And why the police refused to reveal or mentioned how much tablets that Prince could have swallowed or had swallow?
Also, I saw a text screenshot picture of either Prince or Kirk had herpes and was asking for medicine to treat it, and someone who read all the files said that was left out the files official released. I read some of the documents and I think some of the statements are edited out or not released like Tyka's statement. Tyka released a statement. Why was hers not released? And also Kirk released a statement too why wasn't his released? But they had no problem released Omarr's statement, among others. There were also 40 items not released to the public and why the police refused to released the info if the case was closed in Carver County? If they were so graphic as Prince didn't found that way, then they had nothing to lose since Prince's pictures body was released. I bet they might have revealed that Prince was dying and the investigators wanted to release information that focus on Prince's drug addiction to help control the narrative.
Come on people think! Anyone continued to believe solely the official information is all there is to is naive especially as the estate is so desperate to control the narrative for money. That is why I stand firm of refuse to support the estate because I am disgusted how they wanted Prince to portrayed as being a junkie, and likely he was terminally ill that was why I believed Prince was using higher dosage of medicine during the last few years to relieve pain and to treat some undisclosed illiness.
I am sticking with the suicide theory. I was told he was sick and not because of the drugs via orgnotes of my old account under the same name. I read off other forums that people who were no longer on the org got orgnotes too from people who knew Prince that he was dying. And shortly after Prince passed, under TMZ and Yahoo comments section, I saw a couple Prince associates used their real name said Prince was ill and not from the drugs and wanted fans to focus on the music like Prince wanted them to. And plus Prince send Judith Hill and his bodyguard and the chef home and that was unusual they said the same week he passed. I also saw comments from people on social media said they were told by associates that Prince was terminally ill too via messaging. And one of his final pictures he had a teardrop. He wore black a lot during his last days. And I believed P/M tour was his goodbye. His HitNRun was his goodbye albums I believed. And Tyka told in the media she knew for two years and told Andre and his sister the picture that Prince sent. Plus Morris Day, Susannah, Susan Rogers, Shelby J, one of his photographers all hinted Prince knew his time was up without saying it in their interviews.
Also, I always believed with the shadiness employees he had that he was being taken advantage of because he was ill.
The estate and the investigators are doing all this extra censuring and controlling the narratives just for some fucking money is crazy. When the truth comes out (it will since so many people knows it and the persons who orgnote me said some people wanted to come out to tell what actually happened but were told by industry and Prince inner circle to keep quiet about what happened because they worried it could mess up Prince's legacy), it would be some mad folks as they felt they were played for being what publicly told. That would be not telling that Prince was ill from the getgo and that is considering lying and deception to the fans.
This is all I am going to share of this issue. I am not trying to get people to agree but when shady characters are not being upfront to the law enforcement and did some activities that raised eyebrows, the police refused to release those 40 items to the public include Tyka and Kirk's statements too the ones were very closed to him during his final days, believing from the same sources is very short-sighted and foolish.

People are going to think what they are going to think.

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It actually could have been shingles. Which is something a person can develop when older that's similar to Herpes and treated with the same kind of medication.

ladygirl99 said:

It was N/A or blank out did you see the report? Four items were listed as N/A. Whatever the four N/A listed under N/A likely links to stigma.
And why the police refused to reveal or mentioned how much tablets that Prince could have swallowed or had swallow?
Also, I saw a text screenshot picture of either Prince or Kirk had herpes and was asking for medicine to treat it, and someone who read all the files said that was left out the files official released. I read some of the documents and I think some of the statements are edited out or not released like Tyka's statement. Tyka released a statement. Why was hers not released? And also Kirk released a statement too why wasn't his released? But they had no problem released Omarr's statement, among others. There were also 40 items not released to the public and why the police refused to released the info if the case was closed in Carver County? If they were so graphic as Prince didn't found that way, then they had nothing to lose since Prince's pictures body was released. I bet they might have revealed that Prince was dying and the investigators wanted to release information that focus on Prince's drug addiction to help control the narrative.
Come on people think! Anyone continued to believe solely the official information is all there is to is naive especially as the estate is so desperate to control the narrative for money. That is why I stand firm of refuse to support the estate because I am disgusted how they wanted Prince to portrayed as being a junkie, and likely he was terminally ill that was why I believed Prince was using higher dosage of medicine during the last few years to relieve pain and to treat some undisclosed illiness.
I am sticking with the suicide theory. I was told he was sick and not because of the drugs via orgnotes of my old account under the same name. I read off other forums that people who were no longer on the org got orgnotes too from people who knew Prince that he was dying. And shortly after Prince passed, under TMZ and Yahoo comments section, I saw a couple Prince associates used their real name said Prince was ill and not from the drugs and wanted fans to focus on the music like Prince wanted them to. And plus Prince send Judith Hill and his bodyguard and the chef home and that was unusual they said the same week he passed. I also saw comments from people on social media said they were told by associates that Prince was terminally ill too via messaging. And one of his final pictures he had a teardrop. He wore black a lot during his last days. And I believed P/M tour was his goodbye. His HitNRun was his goodbye albums I believed. And Tyka told in the media she knew for two years and told Andre and his sister the picture that Prince sent. Plus Morris Day, Susannah, Susan Rogers, Shelby J, one of his photographers all hinted Prince knew his time was up without saying it in their interviews.
Also, I always believed with the shadiness employees he had that he was being taken advantage of because he was ill.
The estate and the investigators are doing all this extra censuring and controlling the narratives just for some fucking money is crazy. When the truth comes out (it will since so many people knows it and the persons who orgnote me said some people wanted to come out to tell what actually happened but were told by industry and Prince inner circle to keep quiet about what happened because they worried it could mess up Prince's legacy), it would be some mad folks as they felt they were played for being what publicly told. That would be not telling that Prince was ill from the getgo and that is considering lying and deception to the fans.
This is all I am going to share of this issue. I am not trying to get people to agree but when shady characters are not being upfront to the law enforcement and did some activities that raised eyebrows, the police refused to release those 40 items to the public include Tyka and Kirk's statements too the ones were very closed to him during his final days, believing from the same sources is very short-sighted and foolish.

People are going to think what they are going to think.

[Edited 6/20/18 10:34am]

Actually....If I remember correctly that herpes medication was medication that was found at Kirks house, and it was his nephews, when you get a cold sore or canker sore, that is called herpes too. When Kirk moved out of the house, the person who bought it was cleaning and going to redo some rooms, there were several bottles of medicine left, the lady called the Police to come and get them because she knew Kirk was affiliated with Prince, and what happened to Prince. The medicine was not in Kirks name it was in his nephews name that lived with Kirk. And it was several years old.

PennyPurple said:

ladygirl99 said:

It was N/A or blank out did you see the report? Four items were listed as N/A. Whatever the four N/A listed under N/A likely links to stigma.
And why the police refused to reveal or mentioned how much tablets that Prince could have swallowed or had swallow?
Also, I saw a text screenshot picture of either Prince or Kirk had herpes and was asking for medicine to treat it, and someone who read all the files said that was left out the files official released. I read some of the documents and I think some of the statements are edited out or not released like Tyka's statement. Tyka released a statement. Why was hers not released? And also Kirk released a statement too why wasn't his released? But they had no problem released Omarr's statement, among others. There were also 40 items not released to the public and why the police refused to released the info if the case was closed in Carver County? If they were so graphic as Prince didn't found that way, then they had nothing to lose since Prince's pictures body was released. I bet they might have revealed that Prince was dying and the investigators wanted to release information that focus on Prince's drug addiction to help control the narrative.
Come on people think! Anyone continued to believe solely the official information is all there is to is naive especially as the estate is so desperate to control the narrative for money. That is why I stand firm of refuse to support the estate because I am disgusted how they wanted Prince to portrayed as being a junkie, and likely he was terminally ill that was why I believed Prince was using higher dosage of medicine during the last few years to relieve pain and to treat some undisclosed illiness.
I am sticking with the suicide theory. I was told he was sick and not because of the drugs via orgnotes of my old account under the same name. I read off other forums that people who were no longer on the org got orgnotes too from people who knew Prince that he was dying. And shortly after Prince passed, under TMZ and Yahoo comments section, I saw a couple Prince associates used their real name said Prince was ill and not from the drugs and wanted fans to focus on the music like Prince wanted them to. And plus Prince send Judith Hill and his bodyguard and the chef home and that was unusual they said the same week he passed. I also saw comments from people on social media said they were told by associates that Prince was terminally ill too via messaging. And one of his final pictures he had a teardrop. He wore black a lot during his last days. And I believed P/M tour was his goodbye. His HitNRun was his goodbye albums I believed. And Tyka told in the media she knew for two years and told Andre and his sister the picture that Prince sent. Plus Morris Day, Susannah, Susan Rogers, Shelby J, one of his photographers all hinted Prince knew his time was up without saying it in their interviews.
Also, I always believed with the shadiness employees he had that he was being taken advantage of because he was ill.
The estate and the investigators are doing all this extra censuring and controlling the narratives just for some fucking money is crazy. When the truth comes out (it will since so many people knows it and the persons who orgnote me said some people wanted to come out to tell what actually happened but were told by industry and Prince inner circle to keep quiet about what happened because they worried it could mess up Prince's legacy), it would be some mad folks as they felt they were played for being what publicly told. That would be not telling that Prince was ill from the getgo and that is considering lying and deception to the fans.
This is all I am going to share of this issue. I am not trying to get people to agree but when shady characters are not being upfront to the law enforcement and did some activities that raised eyebrows, the police refused to release those 40 items to the public include Tyka and Kirk's statements too the ones were very closed to him during his final days, believing from the same sources is very short-sighted and foolish.

People are going to think what they are going to think.

[Edited 6/20/18 10:34am]

Actually....If I remember correctly that herpes medication was medication that was found at Kirks house, and it was his nephews, when you get a cold sore or canker sore, that is called herpes too. When Kirk moved out of the house, the person who bought it was cleaning and going to redo some rooms, there were several bottles of medicine left, the lady called the Police to come and get them because she knew Kirk was affiliated with Prince, and what happened to Prince. The medicine was not in Kirks name it was in his nephews name that lived with Kirk. And it was several years old.

Okay thanks for clarify. Yeah, I thought it was weird when I saw that screenshot.

ladygirl99 said:

PennyPurple said:

Actually....If I remember correctly that herpes medication was medication that was found at Kirks house, and it was his nephews, when you get a cold sore or canker sore, that is called herpes too. When Kirk moved out of the house, the person who bought it was cleaning and going to redo some rooms, there were several bottles of medicine left, the lady called the Police to come and get them because she knew Kirk was affiliated with Prince, and what happened to Prince. The medicine was not in Kirks name it was in his nephews name that lived with Kirk. And it was several years old.

Okay thanks for clarify. Yeah, I thought it was weird when I saw that screenshot.

I'm glad the lady contacted the Police, she did good.

ladygirl99 said:

Again, "na" does not mean there's something that the ME put in that line but she's but she's essentiually "crossing it out" or hiding it on the version that's released publicly, and there's some other secret version of the form that contains something else on those lines. There's only one version of the autopsy summary doc, and that's the one that's public. She is legally required to share her information about all the fields on that form.

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The ME is not "refusing to release" information about contributing or secondary causes. She determined that there were none. That doesn't mean he didn't have other medical issues, whether it be arthritis or tooth decay or an STD or whatever. It's that she did not judge them to be a contributing factor to his death.

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What the investigators in general release is governed by law, not their idea of what's embarrassing or not. You can dig through the statutes and get the details.

ladygirl99 said:

disch said:

"n/a" doesn't mean that is was redacted due to stigma. It means the medical examiner determined there were no relevant contributing or secondary factors ("not applicable"). The autopsy summary is a legal document and she's required by law the make information in the categories it lists publicly available, stigma or not (I actually emailed the ME's office directly about this 2 years ago when the document was released. They sent me back a boilerplate explanation of the document).

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I doubt something like herpes would have been considered a contributing factor to his death.

Unless the NA become available to see and Tyka and Kirk's audio statements released and why the police refused to release information of those 40 items they retrieved, there is more to meet the eye, but oddly had no problem releasing other things, some were bullshit too, imo.

That is why I refused to accept things that are being told publicly and sometimes redacted means hiding something disguised under privacy, no? I can't speak for other fans as everyone have their own acceptance of information.

disch said:

Again, "na" does not mean there's something that the ME put in that line but she's but she's essentiually "crossing it out" or hiding it on the version that's released publicly, and there's some other secret version of the form that contains something else on those lines. There's only one version of the autopsy summary doc, and that's the one that's public. She is legally required to share her information about all the fields on that form.

-

The ME is not "refusing to release" information about contributing or secondary causes. She determined that there were none. That doesn't mean he didn't have other medical issues, whether it be arthritis or tooth decay or an STD or whatever. It's that she did not judge them to be a contributing factor to his death.

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What the investigators in general release is governed by law, not their idea of what's embarrassing or not. You can dig through the statutes and get the details.

ladygirl99 said:

Unless the NA become available to see and Tyka and Kirk's audio statements released and why the police refused to release information of those 40 items they retrieved, there is more to meet the eye, but oddly had no problem releasing other things, some were bullshit too, imo.

That is why I refused to accept things that are being told publicly and sometimes redacted means hiding something disguised under privacy, no? I can't speak for other fans as everyone have their own acceptance of information.

I get what you are saying but for the last two years is that some people simply think Prince is just another drug junkie and believed he would had lived had he got some help? But for how long? Because maybe NA would give a clue that he might have some form of terminal illness. And there were four N/A too.

Until the police released Tyka and Kirk's statements and released the full autopsy report or at least revealed what were the four N/As , I refused to conclude he didn't have other medical issues with some that could cause his death later on, had it not been the overdose. That's just me.

Krystalkisses said:

ladygirl99 said:

Have you read all the files or at least some of it? I heard some audio and read statements from people that I felt weren't related to the case. I even saw pictures of Prince's hair accessories so how is it related to the case? The questioned so why withhold Tyka and Kirk's statements among other people's statements and what were those 40 items it is hard to believe all were embarrassing things?

I am done with this thread too. I really hope that I get some more answers happen to my idol in my lifetime because something ain't right and people are still covering their asses to follow the money well they ain't getting mine.

No ladygirl!!! You are my org soulmate!!! Finally I found someone who loves that man and his work but doesn't act like he was Jesus Christ himself. I apprechiate your insight and trust you know what you are talking about! I'm sure lots of other people who aren't saying anything apprechiate you too in trying to stop all this b.s.. Just wanted to offer you support and let you know you are contributing a lot. Xoxo

Yeah LOL well thanks. I really don't have anything else to add, other than just now going to respond to those who respond me back on here, because I had been repeating this suicide theory for the last two years. For the last two years, I have expressed my suicide theory and girl it is rough when thinking freethought and not buying the typical drug overdose conclusion, and people on here were attacking me and dismissed me but to this day I stand by my theory and the good news was some people who attacked me are now seeing what I have been seeing (not talking about you of course).

I believed Prince's camp and his estate are very blind with greed and trust me, I believe the works of the universe, and it is going to backfire their asses.

PennyPurple said:

kmama07 said:

Wow. Apologies if any of that is directed towards me as I shared part of my story. I did this to give example of what I learned about functioning addiction/accidental overdose. Wasn't trying to derail or rewrite any narrative. Thought it might be helpful info/insight into what may have happened in his situation because of the high levels found in his body and reported in investigation report/autopsy.

No, No, No. I don't think it was about you. I shared part of my story too. It was aimed at something else.

PennyPurple said:

ladygirl99 said:

Kirk moved out of the house. Was this one of P's properties? Kind of a good reason to NOT want the man dead. Having to move out of your house would suck.

PennyPurple said:

ladygirl99 said:

It was N/A or blank out did you see the report? Four items were listed as N/A. Whatever the four N/A listed under N/A likely links to stigma.
And why the police refused to reveal or mentioned how much tablets that Prince could have swallowed or had swallow?
Also, I saw a text screenshot picture of either Prince or Kirk had herpes and was asking for medicine to treat it, and someone who read all the files said that was left out the files official released. I read some of the documents and I think some of the statements are edited out or not released like Tyka's statement. Tyka released a statement. Why was hers not released? And also Kirk released a statement too why wasn't his released? But they had no problem released Omarr's statement, among others. There were also 40 items not released to the public and why the police refused to released the info if the case was closed in Carver County? If they were so graphic as Prince didn't found that way, then they had nothing to lose since Prince's pictures body was released. I bet they might have revealed that Prince was dying and the investigators wanted to release information that focus on Prince's drug addiction to help control the narrative.
Come on people think! Anyone continued to believe solely the official information is all there is to is naive especially as the estate is so desperate to control the narrative for money. That is why I stand firm of refuse to support the estate because I am disgusted how they wanted Prince to portrayed as being a junkie, and likely he was terminally ill that was why I believed Prince was using higher dosage of medicine during the last few years to relieve pain and to treat some undisclosed illiness.
I am sticking with the suicide theory. I was told he was sick and not because of the drugs via orgnotes of my old account under the same name. I read off other forums that people who were no longer on the org got orgnotes too from people who knew Prince that he was dying. And shortly after Prince passed, under TMZ and Yahoo comments section, I saw a couple Prince associates used their real name said Prince was ill and not from the drugs and wanted fans to focus on the music like Prince wanted them to. And plus Prince send Judith Hill and his bodyguard and the chef home and that was unusual they said the same week he passed. I also saw comments from people on social media said they were told by associates that Prince was terminally ill too via messaging. And one of his final pictures he had a teardrop. He wore black a lot during his last days. And I believed P/M tour was his goodbye. His HitNRun was his goodbye albums I believed. And Tyka told in the media she knew for two years and told Andre and his sister the picture that Prince sent. Plus Morris Day, Susannah, Susan Rogers, Shelby J, one of his photographers all hinted Prince knew his time was up without saying it in their interviews.
Also, I always believed with the shadiness employees he had that he was being taken advantage of because he was ill.
The estate and the investigators are doing all this extra censuring and controlling the narratives just for some fucking money is crazy. When the truth comes out (it will since so many people knows it and the persons who orgnote me said some people wanted to come out to tell what actually happened but were told by industry and Prince inner circle to keep quiet about what happened because they worried it could mess up Prince's legacy), it would be some mad folks as they felt they were played for being what publicly told. That would be not telling that Prince was ill from the getgo and that is considering lying and deception to the fans.
This is all I am going to share of this issue. I am not trying to get people to agree but when shady characters are not being upfront to the law enforcement and did some activities that raised eyebrows, the police refused to release those 40 items to the public include Tyka and Kirk's statements too the ones were very closed to him during his final days, believing from the same sources is very short-sighted and foolish.

People are going to think what they are going to think.

[Edited 6/20/18 10:34am]

Actually....If I remember correctly that herpes medication was medication that was found at Kirks house, and it was his nephews, when you get a cold sore or canker sore, that is called herpes too. When Kirk moved out of the house, the person who bought it was cleaning and going to redo some rooms, there were several bottles of medicine left, the lady called the Police to come and get them because she knew Kirk was affiliated with Prince, and what happened to Prince. The medicine was not in Kirks name it was in his nephews name that lived with Kirk. And it was several years old.

Agree with a lot of what you saying. I would only add that P claimed not to believe in time. This lack of urgency over looking back or forward might be coping mechanism as well, and justified doing whatever he had to do to keep making music and living in the moment (as much as possible). I almost think he convinced himself that he could transcend the physical through the mind (that 2015 interview). This is sort of psychodelic thinking. BUt in January 2016, he was isolated and looking back all the time (P and M tour, memoirs, and quiet, symbolic reconcilliations but little contact with others). He was probably even more resigned about his mortality those last months of his life. , Anyhow, I am going to sign off because the negativity on the board is starting to bother me, but I enjoyed your post.

SkipperLove said:

Have been lurking here for a while and having read the investigative reports (didn't listen to audios however), unfortunately, I am leaning more towards the possibility of suicide for the reasons many have presented. I too think Prince knew that the Bayer bottle had stronger stuff and was almost protective of that bottle until he might have gotten a bit spooked about its potency in Molene. By the 20th, I don't think he cared that it was strong enough to kill him. What a hellish week he must have been having--to go from having a degree of self concern to resignation.

Another thought,
narcan blocks nerve censors making opiods ineffective--I believe-- for three days. I also believe his blood test on the 20th had no fentanyl. So it stands to reason, as bad as his addiction was, he was enduring on no drugs for at least a little while and less potent drugs for at least the 18th and 19th... Why fall off the wagon (so to speak) to that extent the night before when help was supposedly on the way the next day--that is, if he knew it was coming. I think he knew his folks were looking to get him help/rehab (may not have known all the details but knew enough to go to Shulbarg's the day before and may have even asked them to help him). He might have went along with it just to get them to leave him alone so he could do what he wanted to do or could think through what he wanted to do in private..

. I also think that possibly there was a pivot in his mind that occurred the moment when he realized that the only way to survive was to re-invent his life and his coping mechanisms and face his vulnerabilites (physically, psychologically, emotionally) head-on...Scary life-changing prospect. Fear might have done him in. The irony is that taking one's life is an act of great fear and great courage. I also think he was exhausted. I don't entirely know Prince's drug history. I suspect it was varied and complicated. I can't imagine Dr. D was telling the truth (only because Prince had too much endurance and longevity). But in 2014, I suspect, he resigned himself to the fact that drugs might probably eventually take his life but he will just play until the end (and live as much as possible in the now). There are some trippy lyrics in Art Official Age and a degree of resignation (even I dare-say peace),,If one can be both depressed about life and at peace spiritually at the same time, that's what songs like Way Back HOme sound like.

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I question whether he knew or not.

If you recall, the investigation stated the pills were disbursed in the bottles by what they contained.

The Bayer bottle, which was the same bottle that contained the pill which was given to the doctor in Moline, consisted of Fentanyl and Lidocaine. There were 64 1/4 pills in the Bayer bottle.

The Aleve bottle contained Lidocaine only pills. There were 21 1/2 pills in the Aleve bottle.

I think P knew which bottle contained the stronger substance.

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