purplerabbithole said:

You ever notice that wendy and lisa's interactions with Prince on stage were often pretty subtle. He interacted more with Sheila, his later band mates like Shelby J, Mayte, Jerome, and even Cat. I don't doubt they had a bond but it wasn't exactly super noticable on stage. It was probably more apparent in rehearsals or recording sessions. Maybe, I haven't seen enough of these ladies but both always seemed kind of mysterious on stage and not all that demonstrativ when with Prince. "America" and Kiss video are most charismatic I have seen Wendy. "Head" and the 1999 video are the most charismatic I have seen Lisa. i haven't seen the revolution reunion tours. I imagine they are a bit more demonstrative due to their ages and years of experience.

As for the musicology tour story that violetcrush described, what are you talking about? Do you mean the first avenue performance between she and P.

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said: Yes Violetcrush. It was one of the most fun days of my life! I will never forget it. Waiting for the First Ave tickets during the day for 8 hours in the humid , sweltering heat was hard but oh so worth it!!! The First Ave show was probably the best concert I've ever been to in my life.!! Oh and when My friend and I were walking to find the end of the line to wait for tickets Pepe Willie walks by me stops and says "Sheila E!" And we laughed about that. He was such a friendly guy! Downtown just had this incredible energy that day. You could just feel the excitement in the air knowing Prince was going to take the stage. Nothing like a Prince concert!!! As for Wendy and Prince onstage and the vibe that night I didn't particularly remember them interacting together that much but ofcourse the crowd loved her there especially onstage with him again at First Ave. I didn't notice any tension between them. And yes thanks for the story about the Musicology concert. I've heard a few people say he was a pretty unstable man and quiet exhausting to deal with sometimes. Mind games...but he could also be wonderful too. [Edited 6/16/18 17:19pm]

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Take a look at the PR concert footage. Wendy was always interacting with Prince. They would do guitar riffs together, walk around the stage and up the stairs, dance moves, etc. Same with Parade tour. They would often share a mic, he would go up behind her grab her shoulders and rock back and forth. Heck, Christopher's Parade was originally titled Little Girl Wendy's Parade, and he kept that line in the song Kiss ("think I wanna dance....little girl Wendy's parade...") Wendy's vibe with Prince was completely different than Sheila, Cat, and especially Mayte. She was the "masculine" energy - more his counterpart, and not "eye candy" (although she was attractive but not in a sexpot way). She was strictly a player, not a dancer or the "sexy" female on stage with him.

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There was another show in 2004 (I will have to go back to see if I can find the interview) where Wendy, Lisa and Susannah were going as guests in LA - may have been House Of Blues or a venue like that - not a large arena show. Wendy was not scheduled to play on stage. Might have even been his residence at the time. But, Prince was calling up just about everyone there except for Wendy and Lisa - and I guess Bobby too. Or, he may have even called up Bobby and ignored them.

violetcrush said:

ladygirl99 said:

People who worked for Prince stated he was discussing of being JW and its teachings with Larry Graham and George Benson and even Mark Brown (Brownmark) who also remains JW but he remained indecisive in the late 90s. So I am going to stick by official reports he was converted in 2001 and was willing to take JW more seriously and he even announced this.

And also I guess I am going to take your word about Wendy being misquoting as there are a lot of articles about some of those Girl Bros interviews no longer exist on the web. So far I never came across an interview where she backtracked that original article.

Prince was baptized in 2000 or 2001; however, he was "studying" (as he used to say), and began publicly speaking about the JW faith and his beliefs as early as 1997-1998. I believe the issue with Wendy and Lisa being gay came in the early 2000's when there was talk of a 20 yr reunion. I believe I read that Bobby Z went to PP to speak with Prince, and he was told to pass that message to Wendy and Lisa. Wendy stated when she heard that she knew it was bad and she had to kind of "mourn" him, because there would be nothing to say at that point. Of course, we know that didn't last long, because Prince asked her to play with him on Tavis Smiley. So again, Prince was all over the place with his feelings, and brought people in and out of his life depending on his mindset.

supposedly, he told them they would "rot in hell" during the latter part of the 80's tenure together, when it got bad. Part of the reason he may have singled them out so harshly was because they actually got close to him, people who get close to you can hurt you a helluva lot more than the ones you keep at arms length, so whatever it was, it seemed pretty personal, more than it would seem between the rest of the bandmates.

PeteSilas said:

peggyon said:

But didn't he do drugs with Vanity? (not to the extent she did). I don't sense Susan Rogers knew about drugs as she seemed really

nerdy to me, not certain if she knew what drugs were and their manifestation. The Leeds bros??? I think Prince was around drugs alot more than we think.

did vanity say that? there were rumors, there are still rumors, one said he od'd on coke during the 1999 era, some people here remember the day at school and kids wearing prince shirts to memorialize him, i never heard nothing about that at the time is all i can say. Susan rogers may have been around that guy more than anyone in those years so I think she'd know a little something even if it was just looking back at it, she had to do all the staying up with him you know. Susan also clearly knew when Prince was on something during the infamous lovesexy period when he called her to paisley after she left and asked her to come back. She wasn't no dummy, i think she said she's some sort of doctor now. Too many people have said he was clean in those years and the dr. d story is simply not a reliable one from a reliable source(tabloid, no name).

I guarantee Prince did not do drugs with Vanity. If anything, her drug habit no doubt pushed him away from her. Alan Leeds stated in an interview that when he came on board as tour Manager (toward the end of the 1999 tour) , and got to know the dynamics of the group he knew the relationship was over between Prince and Vanity. Also, I don't think Alan Leeds would have messed around with drugs or provided drugs to the group, as he had a fairly important job to do. Susan Rogers did not come on board until the Summer of '83 -after the 1999 tour and during the recording of Purple Rain. She was/is a smart woman. She also spent 24/7 with Prince for the better part of 3-4 years. She would have known if he was regularly using drugs. She stated when he called her to PP in 1987 during the infamous 'X' trip she knew immediately that he was on something. She said his pupils were completely dialated, and his behavior/demeanor was the opposit of normal.

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PeteSilas said:

violetcrush said:

Prince was baptized in 2000 or 2001; however, he was "studying" (as he used to say), and began publicly speaking about the JW faith and his beliefs as early as 1997-1998. I believe the issue with Wendy and Lisa being gay came in the early 2000's when there was talk of a 20 yr reunion. I believe I read that Bobby Z went to PP to speak with Prince, and he was told to pass that message to Wendy and Lisa. Wendy stated when she heard that she knew it was bad and she had to kind of "mourn" him, because there would be nothing to say at that point. Of course, we know that didn't last long, because Prince asked her to play with him on Tavis Smiley. So again, Prince was all over the place with his feelings, and brought people in and out of his life depending on his mindset.

supposedly, he told them they would "rot in hell" during the latter part of the 80's tenure together, when it got bad. Part of the reason he may have singled them out so harshly was because they actually got close to him, people who get close to you can hurt you a helluva lot more than the ones you keep at arms length, so whatever it was, it seemed pretty personal, more than it would seem between the rest of the bandmates.

Yes - I think that Prince loved them, but struggled with those feelings because of his faith and what he had been taught as a child. People think he was so open to homosexuality early on because of the way he dressed, but that was done for shock value and mystery only. In Controversy, he sings about different ethnicities, NOT sexual preference. In the song Bambi, the lyrics talk about his frustration with, and him not understanding why the girl would want to be with another woman instead of a man. I don't think he was ever okay with homosexuality, but he did use the "mystery" of it with W&L during PR, which he knew would work.

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I read about that huge fight in the 80's too. He told Wendy she was a dyke and she was going to rot in hell. She told Prince he was nothing but a womanizing pig. Yikes! That may have been the big fight after the Sheridan WY concert when he docked her $500 because she was drinking a beer.

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

supposedly, he told them they would "rot in hell" during the latter part of the 80's tenure together, when it got bad. Part of the reason he may have singled them out so harshly was because they actually got close to him, people who get close to you can hurt you a helluva lot more than the ones you keep at arms length, so whatever it was, it seemed pretty personal, more than it would seem between the rest of the bandmates.

Yes - I think that Prince loved them, but struggled with those feelings because of his faith and what he had been taught as a child. People think he was so open to homosexuality early on because of the way he dressed, but that was done for shock value and mystery only. In Controversy, he sings about different ethnicities, NOT sexual preference. In the song Bambi, the lyrics talk about his frustration with, and him not understanding why the girl would want to be with another woman instead of a man. I don't think he was ever okay with homosexuality, but he did use the "mystery" of it with W&L during PR, which he knew would work.

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I read about that huge fight in the 80's too. He told Wendy she was a dyke and she was going to rot in hell. She told Prince he was nothing but a womanizing pig. Yikes! That may have been the big fight after the Sheridan WY concert when he docked her $500 because she was drinking a beer.

.....and then he wrote "In This Bed I Scream" in 1995 Poor Prince, he really could not maintain those relationships, but clearly needed them in his life.

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

peggyon said:

But didn't he do drugs with Vanity? (not to the extent she did). I don't sense Susan Rogers knew about drugs as she seemed really

nerdy to me, not certain if she knew what drugs were and their manifestation. The Leeds bros??? I think Prince was around drugs alot more than we think.

did vanity say that? there were rumors, there are still rumors, one said he od'd on coke during the 1999 era, some people here remember the day at school and kids wearing prince shirts to memorialize him, i never heard nothing about that at the time is all i can say. Susan rogers may have been around that guy more than anyone in those years so I think she'd know a little something even if it was just looking back at it, she had to do all the staying up with him you know. Susan also clearly knew when Prince was on something during the infamous lovesexy period when he called her to paisley after she left and asked her to come back. She wasn't no dummy, i think she said she's some sort of doctor now. Too many people have said he was clean in those years and the dr. d story is simply not a reliable one from a reliable source(tabloid, no name).

She received her PhD from McGill. I've watched her interviews and she has struck me as socially dense. Devil's Advocate; someone with the street smarts of Prince could hide coke use. I've done it and it is subtle.

PeteSilas said:

religion is a drug too, as marx said "the opiate of the masses", it's just another drug. telling them not to talk about it isn't going to do any good, they won't listen. One good thing about Judaism is that they are taught not to proselytize, the christians and muslims are encouraged to recruit new fish and it's a real pain in the ass. I believe that if you're really a good, spiritual person, you don't have to tell anyone, they can see it for themselves, i also believe when you have to make a big show of how righteous you are, there is usually something you are hiding or covering up. Your example should be the only thing that people might want to allow to steer them along your way. This society of ours though is fucked, it's all built on manipulation and exploitation and that's not something done without some kind of force.

And H G Wells said "Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo." As an atheist he had to mean religion, right? Personally, I'm glad Super Furry Animals converted me to atheism. There's no way a band who are religious can have that much fun. I know it's generalizing, but all religious people seem like lost sheep "If I don't follow Rule X, I will guilt trip and risk the wrath of God's eternal judgement." No thanks...

I think P's personality flaw was guilt tripping over stuff he had done wrong. As he said to Susan Rogers mid 80s, "There's only enough room for one asshole around here". But he couldn't carry on that way forever. At the same time he seemed a lot more religious than the average 20s rock star. Maybe it was the hard upbringing, or the Dr D version of events coming later on. But I believe there was some 'sin atonement' stuff going on in his head, hence the frequent mention of God in his lyrics. 'Temptation' hinted sex, not drugs, but the contrition is there in the lyrics. I think he would still be with us if he'd sought out a really good therapist - maybe with a philisophical bent, as P was a bigger picture kinda guy - instead of going down the path of organised religion.

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said:

Yes - I think that Prince loved them, but struggled with those feelings because of his faith and what he had been taught as a child. People think he was so open to homosexuality early on because of the way he dressed, but that was done for shock value and mystery only. In Controversy, he sings about different ethnicities, NOT sexual preference. In the song Bambi, the lyrics talk about his frustration with, and him not understanding why the girl would want to be with another woman instead of a man. I don't think he was ever okay with homosexuality, but he did use the "mystery" of it with W&L during PR, which he knew would work.

Oh he was totally down with lesbianism. Have you read Toure 's book on Prince Violetcrush? He loved that shit!

Oh, no doubt he enjoyed watching two women (or more) together for his own sexual pleasure, but I don't think he approved of it as a lifestyle. There are straight women who will be intimate with another woman for a man's pleasure, but are themselves, not gay. Whole different deal

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Yes, I read Toure's book - no offense to Toure, but I think he was off the mark on many of his theories about Prince. He's a fan, but didn't really know his music that well when he wrote the book, and didn't do his research. When discussing the song "Around The World In A Day" he thought the lyric "no chivalry" was "no shouting". For "Extralovable" he misinterpreted the meaning of the lyric "baby you can turn my Mama on, she's just as straight, just as straight as straight can be". And he theorized that the lyric "I got a Lion in my pocket, and baby he's ready to roar" from 1999 was a biblical reference, when it most likely was Prince referring to his "tootsie roll" (as he liked to call it), because the song is about partying as hard as possible before the apocalypse. I think he's great with the information on Prince's relationships - I really liked his interview with Susannah, BUT the whole time I was like, wait! ask her about this, and what about that...!!! I know he had limited time though.

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

supposedly, he told them they would "rot in hell" during the latter part of the 80's tenure together, when it got bad. Part of the reason he may have singled them out so harshly was because they actually got close to him, people who get close to you can hurt you a helluva lot more than the ones you keep at arms length, so whatever it was, it seemed pretty personal, more than it would seem between the rest of the bandmates.

Yes - I think that Prince loved them, but struggled with those feelings because of his faith and what he had been taught as a child. People think he was so open to homosexuality early on because of the way he dressed, but that was done for shock value and mystery only. In Controversy, he sings about different ethnicities, NOT sexual preference. In the song Bambi, the lyrics talk about his frustration with, and him not understanding why the girl would want to be with another woman instead of a man. I don't think he was ever okay with homosexuality, but he did use the "mystery" of it with W&L during PR, which he knew would work.

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I read about that huge fight in the 80's too. He told Wendy she was a dyke and she was going to rot in hell. She told Prince he was nothing but a womanizing pig. Yikes! That may have been the big fight after the Sheridan WY concert when he docked her $500 because she was drinking a beer.

"Bambi" was about a VERY popular,gifted, prodigy singer that Prince had a BIG crush on at the time.

peggyon said:

PeteSilas said:

did vanity say that? there were rumors, there are still rumors, one said he od'd on coke during the 1999 era, some people here remember the day at school and kids wearing prince shirts to memorialize him, i never heard nothing about that at the time is all i can say. Susan rogers may have been around that guy more than anyone in those years so I think she'd know a little something even if it was just looking back at it, she had to do all the staying up with him you know. Susan also clearly knew when Prince was on something during the infamous lovesexy period when he called her to paisley after she left and asked her to come back. She wasn't no dummy, i think she said she's some sort of doctor now. Too many people have said he was clean in those years and the dr. d story is simply not a reliable one from a reliable source(tabloid, no name).

She received her PhD from McGill. I've watched her interviews and she has struck me as socially dense. Devil's Advocate; someone with the street smarts of Prince could hide coke use. I've done it and it is subtle.

Nah....she's smart enough. Like I wrote in another response - she stated she knew immediately he was on something when he called her to come to PP in 1987. She said she got the heck out of there. You don't have to be super street-smart to know when someone is high, and like Herb said, the crash is pretty harsh, so she would have seen a change in his demeanor. Also, Wendy, Lisa and Susannah were hip to that scene (may have even dabbled a bit), so they would have known. They've all said, nope - no drugs. Now, new information may surface on that...guess we'll see.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

Yes - I think that Prince loved them, but struggled with those feelings because of his faith and what he had been taught as a child. People think he was so open to homosexuality early on because of the way he dressed, but that was done for shock value and mystery only. In Controversy, he sings about different ethnicities, NOT sexual preference. In the song Bambi, the lyrics talk about his frustration with, and him not understanding why the girl would want to be with another woman instead of a man. I don't think he was ever okay with homosexuality, but he did use the "mystery" of it with W&L during PR, which he knew would work.

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I read about that huge fight in the 80's too. He told Wendy she was a dyke and she was going to rot in hell. She told Prince he was nothing but a womanizing pig. Yikes! That may have been the big fight after the Sheridan WY concert when he docked her $500 because she was drinking a beer.

"Bambi" was about a VERY popular,gifted, prodigy singer that Prince had a BIG crush on at the time.

Okay....guess she was gay then??

PeteSilas said:

religion is a drug too, as marx said "the opiate of the masses", it's just another drug. telling them not to talk about it isn't going to do any good, they won't listen. One good thing about Judaism is that they are taught not to proselytize, the christians and muslims are encouraged to recruit new fish and it's a real pain in the ass. I believe that if you're really a good, spiritual person, you don't have to tell anyone, they can see it for themselves, i also believe when you have to make a big show of how righteous you are, there is usually something you are hiding or covering up. Your example should be the only thing that people might want to allow to steer them along your way. This society of ours though is fucked, it's all built on manipulation and exploitation and that's not something done without some kind of force.

Marx was right of course, saying it was the opium of the masses. It doesn't address personal issues in a way that's practical or validating to someone's own experience. Basically religion sucks in the same way that the 'candy store effect' sucks for the duped audiophile guys who manage to convince themselves they're hearing something better when the soundwaves haven't actually changed.

PeteSilas said:

peggyon said:

But didn't he do drugs with Vanity? (not to the extent she did). I don't sense Susan Rogers knew about drugs as she seemed really

nerdy to me, not certain if she knew what drugs were and their manifestation. The Leeds bros??? I think Prince was around drugs alot more than we think.

did vanity say that? there were rumors, there are still rumors, one said he od'd on coke during the 1999 era, some people here remember the day at school and kids wearing prince shirts to memorialize him, i never heard nothing about that at the time is all i can say. Susan rogers may have been around that guy more than anyone in those years so I think she'd know a little something even if it was just looking back at it, she had to do all the staying up with him you know. Susan also clearly knew when Prince was on something during the infamous lovesexy period when he called her to paisley after she left and asked her to come back. She wasn't no dummy, i think she said she's some sort of doctor now. Too many people have said he was clean in those years and the dr. d story is simply not a reliable one from a reliable source(tabloid, no name).

But in a world where josef fritzl pulled off what he did anything is possible. Apart from ufos, ghosts and those things predicted to happen in religious texts. But yeah, it's not that hard for a celeb to conceal a drug habit, considering those rumored to do it.

fortuneandserendipity said:

PeteSilas said:

religion is a drug too, as marx said "the opiate of the masses", it's just another drug. telling them not to talk about it isn't going to do any good, they won't listen. One good thing about Judaism is that they are taught not to proselytize, the christians and muslims are encouraged to recruit new fish and it's a real pain in the ass. I believe that if you're really a good, spiritual person, you don't have to tell anyone, they can see it for themselves, i also believe when you have to make a big show of how righteous you are, there is usually something you are hiding or covering up. Your example should be the only thing that people might want to allow to steer them along your way. This society of ours though is fucked, it's all built on manipulation and exploitation and that's not something done without some kind of force.

And H G Wells said "Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo." As an atheist he had to mean religion, right? Personally, I'm glad Super Furry Animals converted me to atheism. There's no way a band who are religious can have that much fun. I know it's generalizing, but all religious people seem like lost sheep "If I don't follow Rule X, I will guilt trip and risk the wrath of God's eternal judgement." No thanks...

I think P's personality flaw was guilt tripping over stuff he had done wrong. As he said to Susan Rogers mid 80s, "There's only enough room for one asshole around here". But he couldn't carry on that way forever. At the same time he seemed a lot more religious than the average 20s rock star. Maybe it was the hard upbringing, or the Dr D version of events coming later on. But I believe there was some 'sin atonement' stuff going on in his head, hence the frequent mention of God in his lyrics. 'Temptation' hinted sex, not drugs, but the contrition is there in the lyrics. I think he would still be with us if he'd sought out a really good therapist - maybe with a philisophical bent, as P was a bigger picture kinda guy - instead of going down the path of organised religion.

Susan Rogers stated in an interview that she tried to talk to Prince about depression and trying therapy. He wanted no part of it, and acted offended when she asked about it. Make sense, as he never wanted to appear weak in any way. To him, seeking emotional help would have been a weakness. I think his struggle between religion and sex was set in stone early on in his childhood. His Dad was playing in strip clubs, and then they would go to church on Sundays. That message of "well, you can do this but you better feel guilty about it and pray to God for forgiveness"...

violetcrush said:

peggyon said:

She received her PhD from McGill. I've watched her interviews and she has struck me as socially dense. Devil's Advocate; someone with the street smarts of Prince could hide coke use. I've done it and it is subtle.

Nah....she's smart enough. Like I wrote in another response - she stated she knew immediately he was on something when he called her to come to PP in 1987. She said she got the heck out of there. You don't have to be super street-smart to know when someone is high, and like Herb said, the crash is pretty harsh, so she would have seen a change in his demeanor. Also, Wendy, Lisa and Susannah were hip to that scene (may have even dabbled a bit), so they would have known. They've all said, nope - no drugs. Now, new information may surface on that...guess we'll see.

He was clearly overwhelmed by his Exstacy experience and it showed. Susan picked up on that but it was very pronounced. Cocaine can be subtle, like a great cup of coffee. I stand by my previous sentiments;Prince, himself felt she knew little about him.

violetcrush said:

Susan Rogers stated in an interview that she tried to talk to Prince about depression and trying therapy. He wanted no part of it, and acted offended when she asked about it. Make sense, as he never wanted to appear weak in any way. To him, seeking emotional help would have been a weakness. I think his struggle between religion and sex was set in stone early on in his childhood. His Dad was playing in strip clubs, and then they would go to church on Sundays. That message of "well, you can do this but you better feel guilty about it and pray to God for forgiveness"...

So do you basically think that he probably wouldn't go drug rehab either?

ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

Yes - I think that Prince loved them, but struggled with those feelings because of his faith and what he had been taught as a child. People think he was so open to homosexuality early on because of the way he dressed, but that was done for shock value and mystery only. In Controversy, he sings about different ethnicities, NOT sexual preference. In the song Bambi, the lyrics talk about his frustration with, and him not understanding why the girl would want to be with another woman instead of a man. I don't think he was ever okay with homosexuality, but he did use the "mystery" of it with W&L during PR, which he knew would work.

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I read about that huge fight in the 80's too. He told Wendy she was a dyke and she was going to rot in hell. She told Prince he was nothing but a womanizing pig. Yikes! That may have been the big fight after the Sheridan WY concert when he docked her $500 because she was drinking a beer.

"Bambi" was about a VERY popular,gifted, prodigy singer that Prince had a BIG crush on at the time.

Yeah, it was rumored Bambi was written about Patrice Rushen, whom Prince experienced terrible unrequited love

peggyon said:

violetcrush said:

Nah....she's smart enough. Like I wrote in another response - she stated she knew immediately he was on something when he called her to come to PP in 1987. She said she got the heck out of there. You don't have to be super street-smart to know when someone is high, and like Herb said, the crash is pretty harsh, so she would have seen a change in his demeanor. Also, Wendy, Lisa and Susannah were hip to that scene (may have even dabbled a bit), so they would have known. They've all said, nope - no drugs. Now, new information may surface on that...guess we'll see.

He was clearly overwhelmed by his Exstacy experience and it showed. Susan picked up on that but it was very pronounced. Cocaine can be subtle, like a great cup of coffee. I stand by my previous sentiments;Prince, himself felt she knew little about him.

Prince also told RS in the 1990 interview that he didn't know Kim Basinger that well after having just lived with her for 6 months, so....

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Prince said that about Susan because she had started to talk about their history together - might have even been the Wally story. I think she knew him quite well.

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Susan Rogers stated in an interview that she tried to talk to Prince about depression and trying therapy. He wanted no part of it, and acted offended when she asked about it. Make sense, as he never wanted to appear weak in any way. To him, seeking emotional help would have been a weakness. I think his struggle between religion and sex was set in stone early on in his childhood. His Dad was playing in strip clubs, and then they would go to church on Sundays. That message of "well, you can do this but you better feel guilty about it and pray to God for forgiveness"...

So do you basically think that he probably wouldn't go drug rehab either?

I don't think he would have gone - just my opinion. It's very possible that the emergency visit was set up without his knowledge - I can't remember if it was discussed in the report, but even if it was stated that he knew and agreed that may not have been the case.

violetcrush said:

peggyon said:

He was clearly overwhelmed by his Exstacy experience and it showed. Susan picked up on that but it was very pronounced. Cocaine can be subtle, like a great cup of coffee. I stand by my previous sentiments;Prince, himself felt she knew little about him.

Prince also told RS in the 1990 interview that he didn't know Kim Basinger that well after having just lived with her for 6 months, so....

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Prince said that about Susan because she had started to talk about their history together - might have even been the Wally story. I think she knew him quite well.

I feel she knew him in some respects but they were very different. I think she took liberties as to how well she knew him. He was upset with her during the Ebony interview that was later pulled.

He was also unhappy with her for stating that the Beautiful Ones was written for Susannah. I think he felt she overstepped.

peggyon said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

"Bambi" was about a VERY popular,gifted, prodigy singer that Prince had a BIG crush on at the time.

Yeah, it was rumored Bambi was written about Patrice Rushen, whom Prince experienced terrible unrequited love

Well, ya know I believe he had a bit of a crush on Lisa early on as well - based on the song Lisa and Strange Way Of Saying I Love You...very sweet. It's funny too, because when Lisa was talking about Prince being smitten with Susannah when he met her she said, "well, everyone was in love with everyone, and then Susannah showed up and he said, "well I can't have her (meaning Wendy) because she's with you, but in walks Susannah and he's like, she's the same, and she's available!"

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

did vanity say that? there were rumors, there are still rumors, one said he od'd on coke during the 1999 era, some people here remember the day at school and kids wearing prince shirts to memorialize him, i never heard nothing about that at the time is all i can say. Susan rogers may have been around that guy more than anyone in those years so I think she'd know a little something even if it was just looking back at it, she had to do all the staying up with him you know. Susan also clearly knew when Prince was on something during the infamous lovesexy period when he called her to paisley after she left and asked her to come back. She wasn't no dummy, i think she said she's some sort of doctor now. Too many people have said he was clean in those years and the dr. d story is simply not a reliable one from a reliable source(tabloid, no name).

I guarantee Prince did not do drugs with Vanity. If anything, her drug habit no doubt pushed him away from her. Alan Leeds stated in an interview that when he came on board as tour Manager (toward the end of the 1999 tour) , and got to know the dynamics of the group he knew the relationship was over between Prince and Vanity. Also, I don't think Alan Leeds would have messed around with drugs or provided drugs to the group, as he had a fairly important job to do. Susan Rogers did not come on board until the Summer of '83 -after the 1999 tour and during the recording of Purple Rain. She was/is a smart woman. She also spent 24/7 with Prince for the better part of 3-4 years. She would have known if he was regularly using drugs. She stated when he called her to PP in 1987 during the infamous 'X' trip she knew immediately that he was on something. She said his pupils were completely dialated, and his behavior/demeanor was the opposit of normal.

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peggyon said:

violetcrush said:

Prince also told RS in the 1990 interview that he didn't know Kim Basinger that well after having just lived with her for 6 months, so....

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Prince said that about Susan because she had started to talk about their history together - might have even been the Wally story. I think she knew him quite well.

I feel she knew him in some respects but they were very different. I think she took liberties as to how well she knew him. He was upset with her during the Ebony interview that was later pulled.

He was also unhappy with her for stating that the Beautiful Ones was written for Susannah. I think he felt she overstepped.

Prince pulled that interview because he was all over the place, and I think also because he made statements out of anger. That was the only interview Prince ever had retracted. Several Biographies had come out in the couple of years prior to that interview, and many associates were talking by that point. He was angry with Susannah as well. They had a conflict about her using The Family name. She began contributing to the books and doing interviews in 2011. She had never talked before. I think she finally said, that's it. If he's not going to talk to me anymore I'm going to tell my stories. It's my history too.

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It wasn't just Susan Rogers who stated TBO was about Susannah - it was just about everyone in the camp, including the LA Engineers. I think the song was about Vanity and Susannah and the movie. The lyric "the beautiful ones always smash the picture" I think Vanity smashed the picture because she left the film. I think Susannah was "smashing" the picture because she would not start a relationship with him at that time as she had a boyfriend.

peggyon said:

violetcrush said:

I guarantee Prince did not do drugs with Vanity. If anything, her drug habit no doubt pushed him away from her. Alan Leeds stated in an interview that when he came on board as tour Manager (toward the end of the 1999 tour) , and got to know the dynamics of the group he knew the relationship was over between Prince and Vanity. Also, I don't think Alan Leeds would have messed around with drugs or provided drugs to the group, as he had a fairly important job to do. Susan Rogers did not come on board until the Summer of '83 -after the 1999 tour and during the recording of Purple Rain. She was/is a smart woman. She also spent 24/7 with Prince for the better part of 3-4 years. She would have known if he was regularly using drugs. She stated when he called her to PP in 1987 during the infamous 'X' trip she knew immediately that he was on something. She said his pupils were completely dialated, and his behavior/demeanor was the opposit of normal.

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Please refer to my previous response. I do not think Prince went overboard with drug use with Vanity, but there are those that feel he introduced her to and participated in drug use with her.

regarding the X trip, he was very high with dilated pupils etc. and acting more "high" than normal coke use would show.

He had strong, unfavorable words for Susan in his Ebony interview. He felt she overstepped in several ways, ie., the Vault and her statements that The Beautiful Ones was written for Susannah.

peggyon said:

peggyon said:

Please refer to my previous response. I do not think Prince went overboard with drug use with Vanity, but there are those that feel he introduced her to and participated in drug use with her.

regarding the X trip, he was very high with dilated pupils etc. and acting more "high" than normal coke use would show.

He had strong, unfavorable words for Susan in his Ebony interview. He felt she overstepped in several ways, ie., the Vault and her statements that The Beautiful Ones was written for Susannah.

See my response above about the Ebony article and Susan Rogers....

violetcrush said:

PennyPurple said:

So do you basically think that he probably wouldn't go drug rehab either?

I don't think he would have gone - just my opinion. It's very possible that the emergency visit was set up without his knowledge - I can't remember if it was discussed in the report, but even if it was stated that he knew and agreed that may not have been the case.

I don't think he would've went either. He was too busy making sure everyone thought he was OK in that last week, by riding his bike, and throwing a party.

violetcrush said: