i've also seen some folks who just have no lives get lost in spirituality, i'm talking to the point where they are unbalanced, getting ssi disability money, don't have to work and just get lost in ideas of esp, healing or all sort of the esoteric. I'm spiritual but i've often seen it just use to fill a void of some kind.

violetcrush said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Yes so true. Big guilt complex involved, with so many of them. Prison inmates can get out quicker from being 'born-again', apparently. There's your incentive.

I believe P was using religion as a crutch in order to deal with another crutch [drug use], to deal with his discomfort let's say with celebrity. Examples, early American Bandstand (shy); Rolling Stone interview '85 (lonely); in journalist interviews no tape recordings or 'ad verbatim' note-taking (controlling); before one particular interview some other journo had remarked he didn't look 'natural' following photoshoot and he was mad later that day (vain). Most P fans probably won't agree but that's the way I see it. In the public eye, everything is magnified and celebrity status means having to worry about so many more people's opinions. And most musicians have those same issues - it was recently revealed on BBC Radio - so there's no shame.

Christ, even Leonardo DaVinci had a few different disorders 'wrong' with him. But take them away and you probably lose the genius- it being contingent on the whole package.

[Edited 6/15/18 13:12pm]

Prince was always a believer in God based on being raised in the 7th Day Adventist community; however, at the same time he was also exposed to the raunchy side with his Dad playing at strip clubs, and his Mom, according to him, being quite wild. He also spoke about finding all of her porn and "dirty" books when he was pretty young, so he was struggling with the "Christian" vs. "Raunchy" behavior from his teen years forward. He recited the Lord's Prayer in the middle of the song Controversy during that tour in '81/'82 - even Dez said he was like, "what the heck?" During the PR tour he added the whole section at the Piano where God appears and he talks to God about trying to be "good", but they like it when he's "bad". Then you've got the Black album vs. LoveSexy. Then I do think he went deeper into a period of the "raunchy" behavior in the early 90's (especially based on his song lyrics). He emotionally lost it there for awhile - both personally and professionally.

*

My feeling is that he was drawn to the JW religion after the death of his Son. Not a whole lot that is more tragic than losing a child, especially at birth. He connected with Larry Graham right around this time. He was also a strong believer in "signs" from God. I think there is a possiblity that he felt it was a consequence of his past actions/ behaviors - don't know though. I think he needed that connection and he was extremely emotionally vulnerable at that time. He really started talking publicly about it in the '97/'98 time frame. He and Larry appeared on Sinbad's talk show in '98 and talked at length about it. People who are feeling lost or who are deep in grief tend to turn to religion, and usually go much deeper into it.

[Edited 6/15/18 14:09pm]

PennyPurple said:

He didn't have HIV or AIDS.

i really don't think so either, still awful coincidental with the rumor so someone in his camp thought he was at deaths door for some reason or other. Obviously, he was probably pissed at someone close ratted him out.

PeteSilas said:

i've also seen some folks who just have no lives get lost in spirituality, i'm talking to the point where they are unbalanced, getting ssi disability money, don't have to work and just get lost in ideas of esp, healing or all sort of the esoteric. I'm spiritual but i've often seen it just use to fill a void of some kind.

violetcrush said:

Prince was always a believer in God based on being raised in the 7th Day Adventist community; however, at the same time he was also exposed to the raunchy side with his Dad playing at strip clubs, and his Mom, according to him, being quite wild. He also spoke about finding all of her porn and "dirty" books when he was pretty young, so he was struggling with the "Christian" vs. "Raunchy" behavior from his teen years forward. He recited the Lord's Prayer in the middle of the song Controversy during that tour in '81/'82 - even Dez said he was like, "what the heck?" During the PR tour he added the whole section at the Piano where God appears and he talks to God about trying to be "good", but they like it when he's "bad". Then you've got the Black album vs. LoveSexy. Then I do think he went deeper into a period of the "raunchy" behavior in the early 90's (especially based on his song lyrics). He emotionally lost it there for awhile - both personally and professionally.

*

My feeling is that he was drawn to the JW religion after the death of his Son. Not a whole lot that is more tragic than losing a child, especially at birth. He connected with Larry Graham right around this time. He was also a strong believer in "signs" from God. I think there is a possiblity that he felt it was a consequence of his past actions/ behaviors - don't know though. I think he needed that connection and he was extremely emotionally vulnerable at that time. He really started talking publicly about it in the '97/'98 time frame. He and Larry appeared on Sinbad's talk show in '98 and talked at length about it. People who are feeling lost or who are deep in grief tend to turn to religion, and usually go much deeper into it.

[Edited 6/15/18 14:09pm]

Right - there are various reasons people turn to religion. I just think, based on the timing of Prince's push toward the JW group, it was tied to the immense grief over losing his child.

PennyPurple said:

Ahem, can we get back to the topic of the thread which is the death investigation? There are plenty of threads about his women.

That rule applies to U also.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

Ahem, can we get back to the topic of the thread which is the death investigation? There are plenty of threads about his women.

That rule applies to U also.

Aww Kat look, you're responding to me (again).

I wish the family would just fucking tell the fans about the entire story instead of this cryptic shit, because no matter what, his legacy is going to remain intact. The reason why? I was told too that Prince's drug addict angle is a red herring to protect the fans and his legacy from learning the entire details. Because whatever in the dark comes to light especially when it comes to historical figures (and hell I hate referring that phrase to Prince). In 30 years when his executors and heirs are facing their mortality, how long the details going to be protective? Or how long Prince's private goods going to remain private? Already there had been leaked to the tabs about some of the details of Prince sex past and this just beginning. And also there had been some misfortune released details of the late stars from sex tapes to private journals yet their legacies still remained strong. Why? It because it made them more human, less supernatural.

And also people who claimed to be part of Prince's camp left comments on some of the online news media sites I read awhile back like TMZ and Yahoo said the public doesn't know the entire story once it was concluded Prince's death was just another od rockstar. Yes there are some wholesome fans who are happy with the drug overdose conclusion but there are others who are scratching their heads and seeking answers...

I am not saying he didn't struggle with drug abuse. Heck, I was denial about some of his drug issues but I came to terms that Prince did have some drug dependency but it relates to his health, not for recreational.

But that is why I am so reluctant to support the estate because I don't want to support the estate when they are still keeping fans in the dark in the name of protecting his brand.

I know the full autopsy won't be released in many years from now, but the majority of his fanbase are like over 50ish and for the ones who want to know, I sincerely hope they get their answers before they come face to face with their mortality.

PeteSilas said:

Agree, ladygirl99, agree! Prince wasn't only a family member, or a personal friend for his inner circle. They ought to take their responsibilty and open up to the wider circle- his fanbase, and they have to do this with dignity. This cryptical shit is affecting Prince's legacy in a very bad way. It's not the average five people he left when he died, but he left the million people.

disch said:

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

i've also seen some folks who just have no lives get lost in spirituality, i'm talking to the point where they are unbalanced, getting ssi disability money, don't have to work and just get lost in ideas of esp, healing or all sort of the esoteric. I'm spiritual but i've often seen it just use to fill a void of some kind.

violetcrush said:

Prince was always a believer in God based on being raised in the 7th Day Adventist community;

[Edited 6/15/18 14:09pm]

IT's pretty amazing. Televangalists in particular get my goat and just baffle me. You'd think in this day and age, folks would recognize a con like that but, nope. People buy "Miracle Spring Water" and send money to carnival barking assholes so they can buy justs and shit.

Bassette said:

Agree, ladygirl99, agree! Prince wasn't only a family member, or a personal friend for his inner circle. They ought to take their responsibilty and open up to the wider circle- his fanbase, and they have to do this with dignity. This cryptical shit is affecting Prince's legacy in a very bad way. It's not the average five people he left when he died, but he left the million people.

Yeah that is what at least they can do.

That is why I might not support the estate beyond just going to visit Paisley Park in the future for a one time trip or so. I don't feel right of his money-hungry heirs, handlers and other people involved getting my support financially. I was more than happy helped bought Prince's albums and movies when he was alive. I am like if the estate wants a fan like me to support his future unreleased work then be straight up with me of his death, otherwise, I wish the estate and his heirs the best and use my money on other celebrities who are alive. Yes we are fans but I believed the fans has the right to know because if it weren't the fans there wouldn't be an estate to fuss. Technically fans are like investors and they shouldn't be hidden from some important information that connected to his death. I am sure real life investors wouldn't be pleased if the company they invested in withhold information out of fear of controversy. The associates won't get my support either as long as the money they earn directly benefits the estate but I don't have a problem support their non-Prince related projects.

Now the public and fans believe he is just another od rockstar.

ladygirl99 said:

I wish the family would just fucking tell the fans about the entire story instead of this cryptic shit, because no matter what, his legacy is going to remain intact. The reason why? I was told too that Prince's drug addict angle is a red herring to protect the fans and his legacy from learning the entire details. Because whatever in the dark comes to light especially when it comes to historical figures (and hell I hate referring that phrase to Prince). In 30 years when his executors and heirs are facing their mortality, how long the details going to be protective? Or how long Prince's private goods going to remain private? Already there had been leaked to the tabs about some of the details of Prince sex past and this just beginning. And also there had been some misfortune released details of the late stars from sex tapes to private journals yet their legacies still remained strong. Why? It because it made them more human, less supernatural.

And also people who claimed to be part of Prince's camp left comments on some of the online news media sites I read awhile back like TMZ and Yahoo said the public doesn't know the entire story once it was concluded Prince's death was just another od rockstar. Yes there are some wholesome fans who are happy with the drug overdose conclusion but there are others who are scratching their heads and seeking answers...

I am not saying he didn't struggle with drug abuse. Heck, I was denial about some of his drug issues but I came to terms that Prince did have some drug dependency but it relates to his health, not for recreational.

But that is why I am so reluctant to support the estate because I don't want to support the estate when they are still keeping fans in the dark in the name of protecting his brand.

I know the full autopsy won't be released in many years from now, but the majority of his fanbase are like over 50ish and for the ones who want to know, I sincerely hope they get their answers before they come face to face with their mortality.

I agree with you.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the hospital/doctors in Moline and against Walgreens.

The autopsy has to be given to the Defendants in the discovery process in order for them

to properly defend a wrongful death claim.

If the case actually goes to trial, we will know all the details of the autopsy.

I bet they will setle out of court and continue to seal the autopsy results

kmama07 said:

disch said:

I undestand the impulse that there must be an explanation: some secret hidden fact (i.e., a terminal disease) that would make it all crystal clear why this terrible thing happened. But as more and more has been revealed, and no deep dark secret of that sort has come to light, you increasingly have to believe in a conspiracy theory (that groups of people have conspired to silence for... well, no particular reason. they just have) to believe there is a deep dark secret at all

-

We know he had chronic issues with joint pain, which can be a big contribiutor to opioid use. I don't know why people need to feel like he had ANOTHER chronic and/or terminal disease on top of that.

violetcrush said:

Disch- Bear with me... My feeling is the reason some people are still clinging to "there has to be something else: underlying illness, etc.", is because they are still coming to terms with the idea (fact) Prince had been taking drugs. The "Prince myth" of a clean-living sober dude has been shattered and they were sideswiped by it. For some, it's easier to justify him taking/being hooked on prescription medication if he had some terminal illness rather than the dude was human and got caught up in something he couldn't control on his own (as we all have at one point or another...be it money, sex, work, drugs, booze...). Just my two cents. After mulling over everything for two years, reading through investigation reports, having and reading exchanges between Orgers, I realize he was just a man ( albeit a genius musician). No one is above being human. [Edited 6/16/18 4:51am]

kmama07 and ladygirl99 - The reality is, just because we are "fans" of Prince - however big or small, does not mean we are entitled to personal information that he clearly did not want to share with us. I also think those that were shocked by his decline and/or death really weren't looking closely enough at his appearance and changes in his performance. As far back as 2014 I was thinking he was not looking as healthy - as compared to just a few years prior. By 2015 my thought was that something was really not okay. It wasn't just typical aging. His appearance seemed to have a quick and swift decline.

*

I have no doubt that his family and those privy to any additional private information are doing what they can to honor the feelings he always had about his privacy. They are not obligated to give the public any other information, regardless of whether it would change our perception of him or not. Will additional details eventually "leak" or legitimately come out down the road? Probably, but the family does not "owe" us any of that information. They just need to concentrate on getting the rest of his music out of the vault - after all that is the only thing Prince wanted us to know and have all along. He said that many times while he was here.

[Edited 6/16/18 9:25am]

ladygirl99 said:

Bassette said:

Agree, ladygirl99, agree! Prince wasn't only a family member, or a personal friend for his inner circle. They ought to take their responsibilty and open up to the wider circle- his fanbase, and they have to do this with dignity. This cryptical shit is affecting Prince's legacy in a very bad way. It's not the average five people he left when he died, but he left the million people.

Yeah that is what at least they can do.

That is why I might not support the estate beyond just going to visit Paisley Park in the future for a one time trip or so. I don't feel right of his money-hungry heirs, handlers and other people involved getting my support financially. I was more than happy helped bought Prince's albums and movies when he was alive. I am like if the estate wants a fan like me to support his future unreleased work then be straight up with me of his death, otherwise, I wish the estate and his heirs the best and use my money on other celebrities who are alive. Yes we are fans but I believed the fans has the right to know because if it weren't the fans there wouldn't be an estate to fuss. Technically fans are like investors and they shouldn't be hidden from some important information that connected to his death. I am sure real life investors wouldn't be pleased if the company they invested in withhold information out of fear of controversy. The associates won't get my support either as long as the money they earn directly benefits the estate but I don't have a problem support their non-Prince related projects.

Now the public and fans believe he is just another od rockstar.

See my message above - Prince's family and inner circle is NOT responsible, nor do they have any obligation to share any additional personal/private information with the public that they are not required by law to share. The ONLY thing Prince wanted to share with the general public and/or his fans was/is his music - period. I have no doubt they are doing their best to honor this for him.

*

Regarding "he is just another "odd" rockstar" - um, he was always considered "odd". Have you read the books and his interviews - watched his TV interviews - watched the parodies (SNL and Chappelle show) his name change to ??? I have no doubt that is exactly the way he wanted it. Being odd, complex, and mysterious actually creates interest, hence, more fans.....

*

*Edit* - realized your "od" was meant as overdose and not "odd". There is a difference between a typical rockstar "od" death, and Prince's death by Opioid overdose. I think it's clear that he wasn't using the meds for "shits and giggles". He needed them to reduce physical pain.

[Edited 6/16/18 10:01am]

herb4 said:

PeteSilas said:

i've also seen some folks who just have no lives get lost in spirituality, i'm talking to the point where they are unbalanced, getting ssi disability money, don't have to work and just get lost in ideas of esp, healing or all sort of the esoteric. I'm spiritual but i've often seen it just use to fill a void of some kind.

IT's pretty amazing. Televangalists in particular get my goat and just baffle me. You'd think in this day and age, folks would recognize a con like that but, nope. People buy "Miracle Spring Water" and send money to carnival barking assholes so they can buy justs and shit.

Yes Pete, but they market to, and prey on all of the folks who are either not educated enough to understand or research the information, or those who have hit a severe low point in their lives and are easily influenced because they are looking for comfort and solutions. I believe I read that the majority of JW members are not educated past high school. The adults are dissuaded from having their kids attend college in order to study within the JW faith.

violetcrush said:

kmama07 said:

disch said: Disch- Bear with me... My feeling is the reason some people are still clinging to "there has to be something else: underlying illness, etc.", is because they are still coming to terms with the idea (fact) Prince had been taking drugs. The "Prince myth" of a clean-living sober dude has been shattered and they were sideswiped by it. For some, it's easier to justify him taking/being hooked on prescription medication if he had some terminal illness rather than the dude was human and got caught up in something he couldn't control on his own (as we all have at one point or another...be it money, sex, work, drugs, booze...). Just my two cents. After mulling over everything for two years, reading through investigation reports, having and reading exchanges between Orgers, I realize he was just a man ( albeit a genius musician). No one is above being human. [Edited 6/16/18 4:51am]

kmama07 and ladygirl99 - The reality is, just because we are "fans" of Prince - however big or small, does not mean we are entitled to personal information that he clearly did not want to share with us. I also think those that were shocked by his decline and/or death really weren't looking closely enough at his appearance and changes in his performance. As far back as 2014 I was thinking he was not looking as healthy - as compared to just a few years prior. By 2015 my thought was that something was really not okay. It wasn't just typical aging. His appearance seemed to have a quick and swift decline.

*

I have no doubt that his family and those privy to any additional private information are doing what they can to honor the feelings he always had about his privacy. They are not obligated to give the public any other information, regardless of whether it would change our perception of him or not. Will additional details eventually "leak" or legitimately come out down the road? Probably, but the family does not "owe" us any of that information. They just need to concentrate on getting the rest of his music out of the vault - after all that is the only thing Prince wanted us to know and have all along. He said that many times while he was here.

[Edited 6/16/18 9:25am]

Well said, VioletCrush. I still however, think it is the "elephant in the room" and it may distract fans somewhat. Fans do not "have a right" to know but I think not knowing is likely hurting his legacy. So much energy is placed on this topic.It is a dilemma. If the family reads these comments, I would like to reassure them (IMHO) that whatever the "truth' is, the great majority of fans will retain their love and repect for him. We/they will just need to assimiliate the information just as we did the opiate use. (If there is something "else")

I feel it is better for the family "to get out ahead of this" than to have information leaked. Their silence speaks volumes to me.

I am one of those fans who is scratching her head.

peggyon said:

violetcrush said:

kmama07 and ladygirl99 - The reality is, just because we are "fans" of Prince - however big or small, does not mean we are entitled to personal information that he clearly did not want to share with us. I also think those that were shocked by his decline and/or death really weren't looking closely enough at his appearance and changes in his performance. As far back as 2014 I was thinking he was not looking as healthy - as compared to just a few years prior. By 2015 my thought was that something was really not okay. It wasn't just typical aging. His appearance seemed to have a quick and swift decline.

*

I have no doubt that his family and those privy to any additional private information are doing what they can to honor the feelings he always had about his privacy. They are not obligated to give the public any other information, regardless of whether it would change our perception of him or not. Will additional details eventually "leak" or legitimately come out down the road? Probably, but the family does not "owe" us any of that information. They just need to concentrate on getting the rest of his music out of the vault - after all that is the only thing Prince wanted us to know and have all along. He said that many times while he was here.

[Edited 6/16/18 9:25am]

Well said, VioletCrush. I still however, think it is the "elephant in the room" and it may distract fans somewhat. Fans do not "have a right" to know but I think not knowing is likely hurting his legacy. So much energy is placed on this topic.It is a dilemma. If the family reads these comments, I would like to reassure them (IMHO) that whatever the "truth' is, the great majority of fans will retain their love and repect for him. We/they will just need to assimiliate the information just as we did the opiate use. (If there is something "else")

I feel it is better for the family "to get out ahead of this" than to have information leaked. Their silence speaks volumes to me.

I am one of those fans who is scratching her head.

See, I guess I always knew he was also a "regular" guy outside of the musical world and his talent - just like most of us he had quirks, fears, heartbreaks, meltdowns, fetishs, sex (lots of it and some probably kinky), and also physical limitations. He put his pants on one leg at at time just like the rest of us; however, those pants were tailor made for him using any material and design that he wanted, and any quantity he wanted.

*

One discussion that Prince had with Larry King always stands out to me - Larry asked Prince, what do you think about people wanting to know about your personal life, private things about you like your marriage? Prince responded, "well, I'm like this - my music is what you come to the party for - if I give you something more, then that is me sharing something with you. If you come to me looking for something, then something must be missing in your life that you need". Those weren't his exact words, but fairly close.

peggyon said:

violetcrush said:

kmama07 and ladygirl99 - The reality is, just because we are "fans" of Prince - however big or small, does not mean we are entitled to personal information that he clearly did not want to share with us. I also think those that were shocked by his decline and/or death really weren't looking closely enough at his appearance and changes in his performance. As far back as 2014 I was thinking he was not looking as healthy - as compared to just a few years prior. By 2015 my thought was that something was really not okay. It wasn't just typical aging. His appearance seemed to have a quick and swift decline.

*

I have no doubt that his family and those privy to any additional private information are doing what they can to honor the feelings he always had about his privacy. They are not obligated to give the public any other information, regardless of whether it would change our perception of him or not. Will additional details eventually "leak" or legitimately come out down the road? Probably, but the family does not "owe" us any of that information. They just need to concentrate on getting the rest of his music out of the vault - after all that is the only thing Prince wanted us to know and have all along. He said that many times while he was here.

[Edited 6/16/18 9:25am]

Well said, VioletCrush. I still however, think it is the "elephant in the room" and it may distract fans somewhat. Fans do not "have a right" to know but I think not knowing is likely hurting his legacy. So much energy is placed on this topic.It is a dilemma. If the family reads these comments, I would like to reassure them (IMHO) that whatever the "truth' is, the great majority of fans will retain their love and repect for him. We/they will just need to assimiliate the information just as we did the opiate use. (If there is something "else")

I feel it is better for the family "to get out ahead of this" than to have information leaked. Their silence speaks volumes to me.

I am one of those fans who is scratching her head.

IF you and others who are looking for more answers to Prince's death have REALLY assimilated the available info re his opiate use you would be able to discern a CLEAR BRIGHT LINE leading from opiate use to needing more and more to health declining, liver/GI tract compromised...weight loss...skin yellow...need more...need more...death. Where is the mystery???

violetcrush said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

peggyon said:

Well said, VioletCrush. I still however, think it is the "elephant in the room" and it may distract fans somewhat. Fans do not "have a right" to know but I think not knowing is likely hurting his legacy. So much energy is placed on this topic.It is a dilemma. If the family reads these comments, I would like to reassure them (IMHO) that whatever the "truth' is, the great majority of fans will retain their love and repect for him. We/they will just need to assimiliate the information just as we did the opiate use. (If there is something "else")

I feel it is better for the family "to get out ahead of this" than to have information leaked. Their silence speaks volumes to me.

I am one of those fans who is scratching her head.

IF you and others who are looking for more answers to Prince's death have REALLY assimilated the available info re his opiate use you would be able to discern a CLEAR BRIGHT LINE leading from opiate use to needing more and more to health declining, liver/GI tract compromised...weight loss...skin yellow...need more...need more...death. Where is the mystery???

Yes Bodhi - I think many just do not realize how DEADLY Opioid addiction is. I believe I read that Fentanyl is 30 times stronger than Heroine. It is climbing the charts to become one of the leading causes of death in this country. All of Prince's symptoms align with Opioid addiction. Honestly, if he really had been taking them since 2010 it is remarkable that he sustained for 6 years.

kmama07 said:

violetcrush said:

kmama07 and ladygirl99 - The reality is, just because we are "fans" of Prince - however big or small, does not mean we are entitled to personal information that he clearly did not want to share with us. I also think those that were shocked by his decline and/or death really weren't looking closely enough at his appearance and changes in his performance. As far back as 2014 I was thinking he was not looking as healthy - as compared to just a few years prior. By 2015 my thought was that something was really not okay. It wasn't just typical aging. His appearance seemed to have a quick and swift decline.

*

I have no doubt that his family and those privy to any additional private information are doing what they can to honor the feelings he always had about his privacy. They are not obligated to give the public any other information, regardless of whether it would change our perception of him or not. Will additional details eventually "leak" or legitimately come out down the road? Probably, but the family does not "owe" us any of that information. They just need to concentrate on getting the rest of his music out of the vault - after all that is the only thing Prince wanted us to know and have all along. He said that many times while he was here.

[Edited 6/16/18 9:25am]

I don't disagree with you. I was speaking to the reasoning of people having an easier time hoping/thinking there was some underlying disease rather than the addiction narrative.

Ahh, gotcha..

violetcrush said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

IF you and others who are looking for more answers to Prince's death have REALLY assimilated the available info re his opiate use you would be able to discern a CLEAR BRIGHT LINE leading from opiate use to needing more and more to health declining, liver/GI tract compromised...weight loss...skin yellow...need more...need more...death. Where is the mystery???

Yes Bodhi - I think many just do not realize how DEADLY Opioid addiction is. I believe I read that Fentanyl is 30 times stronger than Heroine. It is climbing the charts to become one of the leading causes of death in this country. All of Prince's symptoms align with Opioid addiction. Honestly, if he really had been taking them since 2010 it is remarkable that he sustained for 6 years.

With all due respect I am in the medical business (RN) 30 years, I have read all the investigative reports that have been

made available. His gaunt appearance did not jibe with opiate use only...a sixth sense one gets when in this business for a long time.

violetcrush said:

ladygirl99 said:

Yeah that is what at least they can do.

That is why I might not support the estate beyond just going to visit Paisley Park in the future for a one time trip or so. I don't feel right of his money-hungry heirs, handlers and other people involved getting my support financially. I was more than happy helped bought Prince's albums and movies when he was alive. I am like if the estate wants a fan like me to support his future unreleased work then be straight up with me of his death, otherwise, I wish the estate and his heirs the best and use my money on other celebrities who are alive. Yes we are fans but I believed the fans has the right to know because if it weren't the fans there wouldn't be an estate to fuss. Technically fans are like investors and they shouldn't be hidden from some important information that connected to his death. I am sure real life investors wouldn't be pleased if the company they invested in withhold information out of fear of controversy. The associates won't get my support either as long as the money they earn directly benefits the estate but I don't have a problem support their non-Prince related projects.

Now the public and fans believe he is just another od rockstar.

See my message above - Prince's family and inner circle is NOT responsible, nor do they have any obligation to share any additional personal/private information with the public that they are not required by law to share. The ONLY thing Prince wanted to share with the general public and/or his fans was/is his music - period. I have no doubt they are doing their best to honor this for him.

*

Regarding "he is just another "odd" rockstar" - um, he was always considered "odd". Have you read the books and his interviews - watched his TV interviews - watched the parodies (SNL and Chappelle show) his name change to ??? I have no doubt that is exactly the way he wanted it. Being odd, complex, and mysterious actually creates interest, hence, more fans.....

*

*Edit* - realized your "od" was meant as overdose and not "odd". There is a difference between a typical rockstar "od" death, and Prince's death by Opioid overdose. I think it's clear that he wasn't using the meds for "shits and giggles". He needed them to reduce physical pain.

[Edited 6/16/18 10:01am]

Then why this forum still exist? Why is this thread popular than several music threads combined? It is because the fans are just for the music is just bullshit. Human curiosity beyond the artistic is what keeps this forum alive. Prince maybe wanted the fans to focus on the music but it doesn't add up in regards to which threads get more views on this site.

And the family has the right to withhold details and I have the right not to continue to support the crooked estate financially who would rather want the public to know Prince was a junkie than being 'something else'.

And since people are saying the family are not obligated to release information that relates his death then the question beyond the law then why this thread still active? Apparently, the fans believed there is more to the story.

Overall carry on with the debate, I hope everyone gets the answers they needed.

violetcrush said:

Right - there are various reasons people turn to religion. I just think, based on the timing of Prince's push toward the JW group, it was tied to the immense grief over losing his child.

I agree.

ladygirl99 said:

violetcrush said:

See my message above - Prince's family and inner circle is NOT responsible, nor do they have any obligation to share any additional personal/private information with the public that they are not required by law to share. The ONLY thing Prince wanted to share with the general public and/or his fans was/is his music - period. I have no doubt they are doing their best to honor this for him.

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Regarding "he is just another "odd" rockstar" - um, he was always considered "odd". Have you read the books and his interviews - watched his TV interviews - watched the parodies (SNL and Chappelle show) his name change to ??? I have no doubt that is exactly the way he wanted it. Being odd, complex, and mysterious actually creates interest, hence, more fans.....

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*Edit* - realized your "od" was meant as overdose and not "odd". There is a difference between a typical rockstar "od" death, and Prince's death by Opioid overdose. I think it's clear that he wasn't using the meds for "shits and giggles". He needed them to reduce physical pain.

[Edited 6/16/18 10:01am]

Then why this forum still exist? Why is this thread popular than several music threads combined? It is because the fans are just for the music is just bullshit. Human curiosity beyond the artistic is what keeps this forum alive. Prince maybe wanted the fans to focus on the music but it doesn't add up in regards to which threads get more views on this site.

And the family has the right to withhold details and I have the right not to continue to support the crooked estate financially who would rather want the public to know Prince was a junkie than being 'something else'.

And since people are saying the family are not obligated to release information that relates his death then the question beyond the law then why this thread still active? Apparently, the fans believed there is more to the story.

Overall carry on with the debate, I hope everyone gets the answers they needed.

So you are saying you won't support or buy his music, because you feel the family/estate is keeping personal information from the public? To me, that is absurd. They are two completely different things. Listening to, sharing, and buying his formerly unreleased music is actually what will keep his legacy alive - and all he himself really cared about. So, what you are saying makes no sense if you really are a fan.

peggyon said:

violetcrush said:

Yes Bodhi - I think many just do not realize how DEADLY Opioid addiction is. I believe I read that Fentanyl is 30 times stronger than Heroine. It is climbing the charts to become one of the leading causes of death in this country. All of Prince's symptoms align with Opioid addiction. Honestly, if he really had been taking them since 2010 it is remarkable that he sustained for 6 years.

With all due respect I am in the medical business (RN) 30 years, I have read all the investigative reports that have been

made available. His gaunt appearance did not jibe with opiate use only...a sixth sense one gets when in this business for a long time.

Really? I would think weight loss and/or a gaunt appearance would be feasible with Opioid addiction based on the fact that appetite loss comes into play at a certain point. I have a friend who was dating guy who became addicted to Oxycontin. Within one year he had lost considerable weight, had very little appetite, slept much more, and missed work. He ended up losing his job

Bodhitheblackdog said:

peggyon said:

Well said, VioletCrush. I still however, think it is the "elephant in the room" and it may distract fans somewhat. Fans do not "have a right" to know but I think not knowing is likely hurting his legacy. So much energy is placed on this topic.It is a dilemma. If the family reads these comments, I would like to reassure them (IMHO) that whatever the "truth' is, the great majority of fans will retain their love and repect for him. We/they will just need to assimiliate the information just as we did the opiate use. (If there is something "else")

I feel it is better for the family "to get out ahead of this" than to have information leaked. Their silence speaks volumes to me.

I am one of those fans who is scratching her head.

IF you and others who are looking for more answers to Prince's death have REALLY assimilated the available info re his opiate use you would be able to discern a CLEAR BRIGHT LINE leading from opiate use to needing more and more to health declining, liver/GI tract compromised...weight loss...skin yellow...need more...need more...death. Where is the mystery???

It is not about looking for answers when people who gave clues and riddles that drug overdose is a red herring you are more likely demanding for answers. When people from Prince camp said over the last two years through interviews about Prince's health cryptic style, through left comments on blogs and online media sites (some even posted under their real names on Yahoo and TMZ sections and I refused to reveal those names I saw but they worked for Prince as a musician and non-music related jobs) that there is more to the story than a typical drug overdose that cause a serious of events, and leaked out to reputable LA-based blogs and magazines and some of the articles had since gone off the web, and told me through orgnotes and on Facebook (both people in the industry and people worked for Prince) specifically told me the public are being censored about what happened to Prince because the estate wanted to make as money as they can. And people leaked a lot of clues even on here two years ago about what ties to what I was told but also I learned new details from them too, then yes you are wondering for more info. But unless the family says something then don't be surprised of seeing a thread title on here said: Prince's Death Investigation Discussion-Continue Part 200? with going around the circles like a merry-go-around.

But hey if people want to continue to believe Prince was just another opioid addict without knowing why he took the drugs in the first place then that is their right too.

violetcrush said:

ladygirl99 said:

Then why this forum still exist? Why is this thread popular than several music threads combined? It is because the fans are just for the music is just bullshit. Human curiosity beyond the artistic is what keeps this forum alive. Prince maybe wanted the fans to focus on the music but it doesn't add up in regards to which threads get more views on this site.

And the family has the right to withhold details and I have the right not to continue to support the crooked estate financially who would rather want the public to know Prince was a junkie than being 'something else'.

And since people are saying the family are not obligated to release information that relates his death then the question beyond the law then why this thread still active? Apparently, the fans believed there is more to the story.

Overall carry on with the debate, I hope everyone gets the answers they needed.

So you are saying you won't support or buy his music, because you feel the family/estate is keeping personal information from the public? To me, that is absurd. They are two completely different things. Listening to, sharing, and buying his formerly unreleased music is actually what will keep his legacy alive - and all he himself really cared about. So, what you are saying makes no sense if you really are a fan.

Also - there are far more threads on this forum that are focused on Prince's music rather than his death - in fact, this thread is just 1 of 18 others that I am currently posting in - and the others have nothing to do with his death.